stay right where you are inside, with jen psaki begin right now. >> twice impeached, now firs indicted the former president prepare for his day in court so, how exactly did we get here, and what comes next? former manhattan distric attorney cyrus vance i breaking his silence on th indictment today, and he i coming up first. plus, house speaker kevi mccarthy promises to hol current mta alvin brag accountable, whatever that means. congressman adam shift joins m with his reaction in just a fe minutes. at the same time, presiden biden is keeping his head down on the trump indictment. i will offer my advice on ho other democrats should handl the politics of this moment. and later, i don't think forme prosecutor andrew weissmann ha slipped in 72 hours, as he continues to break down all of this legal news across msnbc i paid angela visit to tal

about how he keeps up with all of, it and also, his weekend routine. okay, by now you know that the former president has bee indicted this all may feel like a whole lot to digest, i know it feels like that even to me lots of evidence, lots o witnesses, and years o investigation have led to this moment but, here is the bottom line this is an example of ou judicial system working like i should work. and how it works in democracie across the globe yes, i know that there is an outcry on the right, and there is a lot of political question about what this all means. over the course of this next hour, this is what we are goin to talk. about the politics, th divisions in our country, an what comes next. but it is worth taking a ste back to remember how exactly w got to this point in thi particular case. it all stems from trump's role and scheme to cover up his

alleged affair in 2006 wit adult from store, stormy daniels, when the national enquirer got wind of her story in 2016, by the, way at th height of trump's first run fo president. the editor of the paper worked out a deal between daniels and trump's former lawyer, michael cohen. cohen fronted $130,000 to pa daniels for her silence, hence the term over and over again hush money then of course, he had to be paid back. to reimburse him, trum reimbursed him to meet a serie of payments to cohen by check. checks like this, one which wa signed by the former vic president. in an effort to conceal what that money was for, she falsel -- he falsely accounted for the payment of legal expenses. and don't take all this for me that is according to the u.s attorney's office that prosecuted michael cohen for this scheme back in 2018 that was five years ago. the truth is, this hush mone has been under investigation for a, long time, and there ar several prosecutors into different jurisdictions, s there are still a lot we don't know about how we got here

to that point. the first manhattan da t handle this investigation wa alvin bragg's predecessor, cyrus vance. my bet is that if anyone can fill in the blanks for us, i is him joining me now is former manhandled, tierney cyrus vance, who is now partner at the la firm baker mckenzie. thank you for joining me her this morning i want to start with there a been a lot of reporting abou your tenure as the manhattan district attorney with regar to this case and some of it is conflictin and is being used to attack th merits of the case so, i wanted to clear up any confusion here if we can one narrative is that yo declined to before didn't item on the hush money case and tha alvin bragg revived the case there is a conflicting narrative that you greenlit th case before you left office an bragg pumped the brakes unti now. so when you left office in 2021, how close were you to an indictment on the hush money case >> well, good morning, jen

thank you for having me on the show they are going to limitation about what i feel i ca communicate to you in answer t those questions because some o the response will includ internal deliberations of th office that i feel that need t be kept confidential but i think it is safe to sa that looking at the front en of the storyline, for th southern district of new york, at the same time, as ourselves at the district attorney's office, we are looking at th so-called hush money payment and then we learned from the southern district of new yor that they asked us to stan down and by stand down, i mean, the were communicating that they had this ongoing investigation and they wished that we put ou efforts on hold while they completed their investigatio and obviously, that was discretionary call by me whether or not to do that. but i felt it was entirely appropriately. and obviously, the souther district of new york is an excellent organization wit

lots of leaders in prosecutors and i thought that was appropriate for me to press th pause button and for the course of probably more than a year and a half, that is what we did. i was surprised, after michael cohen had pleaded guilty, that the investigation from the southern district on that issu did not go forward by that time, we had moved o to other matters those other matters aren't really a matter of very much o public record, which i can't discuss. which, because, the presiden filed a lawsuit against myself in the office in federal court attaching a grand jury subpoen that we had made in addition t the trump organization seeking to block our efforts to bloc his tax returns anothe financial information that let us on about a two years saga t the supreme court twice. the merits were reviewed by tw district court judges at several courts the parents and several. times and twice to the supreme court, and ultimately, and the

majority opinion, i, said some very important, things which i think reaffirmed the principle that even presidents wer subject to investigation particularly for investing geishas and information that predated their presidency. that there was no politica motive, evidence, and anything that we were doing, and or t the tax returns to be handed over if they were, within fou months, the office had presented to a new york county grand jury, and evidence t indict the trump organizatio for numerous counts of tax violations, and the cfo of the organization as well and, subsequently, about a yea later, the case went to tria and the organization was convicted of all perhaps minus one of the counts. so that is the overarching storyline, in terms of the second part of your question when i left office i, what would've happene during the time i was in offic in this period was it was

difficult time in new york cit to get work done number one, we had been aske to pause by the u.s. attorney' office, subsequently, covid hi in the spring of 2020. that greatly impacted ou ability to gather witnes evidence to convene a gran jury's because the courthous was not functioning. and so, it really was not unti the spring of 21 when the cour issued its order on the ta returns that we got thos records and we were able t move extradition sly but what happened is is that although he hopes to do, when left, i understood it was gonn be alvin bragg's decision. whether to continue th investigation that we were running, or to start his own so that is the overarchin storyline. >> i'm asking this ver specifically because it is being used to attack the strength of brett's case and there have been reports, including by people who worked in the office, that you di authorize an indictment moving

forward. so i guess the question, jus to go back to, it again, is di you authorize won it before yo left office? >> jan, there has been a lot o reporting on that, and i a going to answer it this way. if i did, it was on th understanding that i knew that we had not finished that wor and it would ultimately be district attorney bragg' decision whether to move forward in the investigation that we were working on, or separate one that he wanted to build. >> in terms of understanding o the process, i think that is important for people to know out there. were you presented with prosecution memo that woul have been one of the final steps, if not the final step i the process before a indictment >> jan, again, you are askin the questions about internal communications that i really don't feel i can answer withou breaching confidence it is no disrespect, but tha is the rules of the road

>> understand. when brag started, he suggeste that the case was not ready. do you believe that is true an what specifically can you tell us about the strength of the evidence that you handed off because you did a lot of wor before you left office, even i there was not an indictmen issue. >> i brought mark pomerant into the office in 2021. i think very highly of mark an fought very highly of march. and, ultimately, as what mr. bragg had said, ultimately, mr bragg decided that information and the case that mark was presenting him after i left in january of 2022 was not a case he felt comfortable goin forward on at that time. and that is his prerogative as the district attorney, just as it was my prerogative when i was distracted tierney t pursue evidence and further se of an indictment that i felt

could be justified >> one of the people you engaged with during your tim was, of course, michael cohen, who was prosecuted in part for his role in this do you think he would be comfortable, at this point putting him in front of a tria jury >> the issue is not whether or not i would be comfortable, th issue is whether the offic today is going to be comfortable and it appears tha they absolutely are. >> as i've said earlier today, obviously, mr. cohen as witness will be attacked cross-examined, on his prior statements and prior guilt plea but that does not mean that mr cohen is not a witness who can't be believed. i tried many cases wit witnesses with lengthy crimina records, and if there is corroborated evidence to support what he says, then juries, as they will b instructed by the court, are absolutely free to believe the witness whether he or she has

criminal record or any other problem. so, i think that i don't kno the evidence that mr. brag has none of us do at this point. we will wait to see th indictment in to see what that educates for us. but mr. cohen it appears wil be a key witness, but that doe not mean, necessarily, that mr cohen won't be believed by a jury at whatever point thi goes to trial. >> now, former president trump has been relentlessly attackin both the manhattan da, alvin bragg, and he has received hundreds of threats. and also the judges overseeing this case, based on what you'v seen so far, could you make th argument that what trump has said publicly amounts to a crime from what you have see to date, and would that be chargeable >> i discussed this earlie today with your colleague, chuck todd, and i said two points number one, i think that the president's comments and his tweets and writings an pictures are not jus inappropriate, they are wrong. they are wrong on many levels.

so i think that from a persona perspective i, think it is terrible judgment. from a legal perspective, ther is a crime that is calle obstruction of governmenta justice under new york law now it is a misdemeanor, but essential elements are t threaten, intimidate, and see public official in order t affect their decision-making now, you and your viewers ca look at the tweets in th pictures and the comments an looking to the comments and' ask -- my comment was, earlier today, if i were trump's lawyer, would tell him to knock it off it is not gonna help him wit the judge, and if it is charged, it is not going to help hi with the jury. >> we have already learned thi morning that he, forme president donald trump, is planning to hold a press conference or make a publi statement on tuesday as well so the way the peopl understand what the options ar here do you think it will b appropriate for people t

restrict what trump is sayin in order to reduce the potential for violence, like a gag order or other options >> well, it would not be the first time that a gag order, i one was issued by the judge, would be imposed in the case i think that the challenge in case like this is that america is at a 50/50 on the issue o this prosecution, at least those who have spoken out abou it and mr. trump could be told no to talk. but it is going to be very har to stop others talking for heim so i'm not, sure honestly, how effective a gag order would be but i would say that judge marchand would be well withi his rights to issue orders tha ensured to the degree possible and orderly and safe trial >> i know none of us have seen what's in the sealed document.

-- to cover up a crime. during your time as th manhattan touched attorney, di you identify what the crime was, or was that one of the hurdles in moving the case forward >> i think that, during ou investigation, and i think i have karoun commented on wha has been reported in the press about the current da's theory. it is that the false busines record of the misdemeanor is a fairly typical charge in the manhattan da's office, i business crime in particular and i don't believe we eve applied that to a federa election law in order to dro the misdemeanor -- to elevate the false busines record to a felony and, to my knowledge, i do think we did that for a federa election events, but that only

means that it is an issue that needs to be decided by the core and that is the challenge when you are charging the president of bringing a charge where the law is perhaps unsettled >> aside from the hush money case you spent a lot of time in a lot of progress focused o the trump organization finances, trump's own finances, when you left office did you feel there was a viable financial fraud case to be made against trum personally, and could that b in terms of people expectations as separate indictment from brag on that case well, by the way, on that point, i am not sure what distric attorney bragg has done sinc leaving office, nor should i he - whatever indictment he bring out tuesday does not mean that that is the end of the investigation, superseding indictments and state court ar

as frequent as they are in federal courts so what i'm saying, jen, i that if district attorney brag issues - or hands down an indictmen that is focused on hush mone payments, that doesn't preclud him from continuin investigations into othe potential crimes and that is consistent wit malpractice in almost ever state i know of. >> peoples expectations, i could be another case you coul be looking into. this may not be the last w hear from the da's office on trump and a potentia indictment at the time you had handed i off, had you approved an indictment of trump on his finances before you left office? >> again, jim, i have said tha i am not going to talk about m specific discussions with th lawyers in my office but as i've said, even had i made that decision it would've been mr. briggs decision t review, because our, work we

were unable to complete ou work given the restraints identified earlier covid, supreme court litigation, stand down requests from fello prosecutors. >> obviously, you can predic what a judge would do, o whether they would be conviction i know you want to either of those things but is it conceivable that donald trump could serve tim in prison for this indictment? conceivable, yes but i wouldn't necessarily think that is the likely outcome, simply because it i the lowest level felony, it ha a maximum prison sentence of four years, and a minimu prison sentence of no time of literally just a probatio or non carson rhetorical restrictions and typically, someone without any criminal record would no be sentenced, typically, t incarceration if they were convicted of an e level felony

obviously, as i said, th dynamics could change if there were additional charges that were added on. if conduct during the case led to additional conduct as i pertain to the court, or the district attorney, or anyone else and as i said, that can turn and otherwise case which doesn't have the same jury impact, as one significantly impact, it can turn the case into a case that the jur becomes more serious about because they understand. there in the courthouse ever day. they know what the courts mean for security that could change the game >> former man-handles trick to tierney, thank you so much for joining me this morning. up next, my take on ho democrats should be handling the news of donald trump's indictment plus, i will ask congressman adam schiff who happens to be

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of donald trump, democrats may feel they are shattering rooftops and use it to score political points if they're watching republican on the other side, that' exactly what they're doing trump himself took to social t call the indictment an attac on our country, and are once free and fair elections, n ironing at all there and then there was ron desantis, who called it weaponization of the legal system speaker kevin mccarthy calle alvin bragg weaponizing th system

even the suppose post trum future of the republican party rushed out with a simila statement of his own to me, this is all pur projection to me, the only people who are weaponizing what should be a political process at all are these legal-ing republicans. they are doing this for on reason because donald trump is stil the leader of the republican party. if you had any doubt, they are following him this past week confirming that. and they are scared of losin the support of his base. so where does that leave democrats, and what should the be doing about the indictmen news let me start with what i don't think you should be doing. as much as you are doing wit lots of t-shirts and mugs. there was also enough the time for democratic candidates to celebrate and brag, and predic the outcome of the legal cases if you can, i would actually just put your head down an stay out of it for now

president biden and the whit house will lean into the long-standing policy which was the policy lon before them, for decades three democratic and republica presidents in this case, it is also goo politics you are making the right bet that the public cares a whol lot more about what th president is doing to actually make their lives better than what he thinks about a hus money payment to adult fil star it turns out their intende campaign message to the bide team of competence versus chao may actually play out before h enters the race. they don't need to project wha chaos means on the republica side the leading candidates are doing that for them. it's also important to keep in mind the perception among th american people is already tha this case is being politicized a recent poll showed that 70

of independents, 70%, more tha 90% of republicans and eve nearly 30% of democrats though that the case had been politicized. it doesn't really matter tha is based entirely on the phony claims by leading republicans. but the thing is, there is absolutely nothing to gain b adding more fuel to that fire. if you feel you have to sa something, stick with the fram that has been in the statement of a number of democrati leaders. one, no one is above the law to, trump will be able to avai himself of the legal system. and three, there should be n intimidation and any protest should be peaceful that is how the judicial syste is supposed to work. it is vital to a thrivin democracy, the defense of thos values is also part of how democrats held onto the senate and held on to the house i november it turns out defending democracy and the role of laws

not only morally right, it's good politics to up next, congressman ada schiff joins me with his response to kevin mccarthy and other house republican trying to run interference for donald trump, after hi indictment and later, when not freaking out about what comes next. some helpful context whe around the world, we'll be right back using the services you want in the clouds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovate and grow.

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of weaponizing our sacre system of justice agains president trump. he also said they will hol alvin bragg and hi unprecedented use of power t account. you have known him a long time as a fellow member of congress in california. what do you think is motivatin him in this moment >> i think what's motivating him is he senses the base of the republican party they are still with donald trump, and therefore he will still be with donald trump he is doing what he, jim jordan, and others did during th impeachment proceedings. and that is, act as a kind o surrogate criminal defense tea for donald trump run interference for him, in this case. try to interfere with th manhattan district attorne prosecution. that, of course, is not th role of congress what he should be doing as speaker is uplifting the justice system, saying let the jury decide. let the prosecution prove it face this is what any responsible speaker would say. but sadly, under donald trump,

the republican party i congress has become this cul around his personality, and is dreading any devotion at onc at the rule of law >> governor ron desantis another leading republican, wh also use some similar language and calling the indictment the weaponization of the legal system we saw that language over an over again in the responses of a number of republicans. he also called alvin bragg a soros back to manhatta prosecutor what did that statement say to you about ron desantis >> it says that ron desantis will do anything it also says a lot about the state of the gop, which is you have to attack the justice system you have to speculate abou motives, you have to assume th worst. and in the statement, as, well you have to disregard the law. say won't extradite someon accused of a crime in order to be competitive wit the republican primary he goes beyond that, and tries

to tie george soros to this. which is this not so thinl veiled antisemitic element tha is very popular among certai portions of his base and how despicable is that thi is what is necessary to compete? and i think that is where he is he feels the bases still wit donald trump, and he needs t build with them. >> that antisemitic tropes i something we have seen over an over again now, you are a harvard law school graduate. so is governor desantis. i know you probably took som similar classes. did you see that have you seen some of hi comments and think, he probabl knows better about the law >> he certainly knows better about the law. he knows what his obligation i to extradite someone who i accused of crime in anothe state. he is not a stupid person. but one thing he understands i what is the path to power in

the gop? and the path to power is now catering to the lowest commo denominator. that is a terrible use of hi legal education. it is putting ambition over an ambition, scruple, and thing else matters except ambition i'm reminded of something adam kinzinger, mike holly grove th january six committee said when he said, it's not that he and liz cheney are s courageous it's just a theory surrounde by cowards and this is kind of a cowardly action by mom desantis, to try to compete with donald trump o trump's own turf >> now you have, in addition t the district, the manhatta district attorney's case and the indictment this week, ther are three other criminal cases you've said that the justice department has been too slow and investigating trump for hi role in january si insurrection and that the g doj should have been first to bring charges on that that would've been preferable, i should say why do you think that the do has not been faster in its investigation? and really, coming to

conclusion in that case. i think they're responding t how badly politicized th department was under bill barr someone who interfered to tr to stop the case it is now being brought in manhattan, to stop the district of new york, the federal prosecutors from proceeding with a case someone intervene to make th sentence against roger stone become less, to make the cas against mike flynn and other people who lied to cover for donald trump, go awa completely after that politicization, i think merrick garland, laudable, eons to reestablish th departments reputation for independence and while that's laudable, i you take it too far it can force a kind of immunity on th former president i think they were very slow to go after anyone except of th footsoldiers who witnessed the capitol be the soldiers that day. the congress, oddly enough, wa way ahead in the investigation of the multiple lines of effor

by donald trump, and others, t overturn the election. and given how cumbersome congress, is we don't expect congress to be ahead of th justice department but we were. and they've been playing catch-up for the last year and a half i think they are coming to a conclusion, one way or another in the hiring of special counsel, i think it's very important. but i think they were loath to cause any controversy, and tha means they avoid taking steps shot taken a long time ago >> now, they need that special counsel, jack, smith back in november from what you've, seen fro your vantage, point you sure d know a lot about all of th information that's out there o january six and trump's role do you think he is up to the job? and have you seen a difference since he was named to that role? >> i think we've seen a bi difference this is a new level of aggressiveness, and urgency at the justice department and there were a great man witnesses who simply refused t testify before the january 6th

committee. people like mike pence, people like mark meadows. they have felt they could tell the story to the public fo their book but they couldn't tell congress which was a tremendous disservice to the congress, an to the country but now, the special counsel i bringing him before the gran jury, he's litigating thes false claims to privilege. he's winning in court, and thi may be some of the mos important testimony. these are the people aroun donald trump who are best able to testify, as to his intention, his culpability, what's mental state was. what he understood, and when h understood it. i think these are some of th most important granary sessions and they typically take plac with the most significan witnesses towards the end of a investigation. >> congressman adam schiff thank you so much for joinin me this morning. we should know that we are i touch with representatives barbara lee and katie porter who are also running for the california senate seat i look forward to having the on, as this high profile

primary continues to unfold. coming up next, the word historic and unprecedented are being used a lot right now and the indictment of a former president is definitely both o those things but don't forget, plenty o countries have been down thi road before. and they've come out on th other side plus, andrew weissmann was robert mueller's top prosecuto during the russi investigation. now, he is the person we all turn to for legal analysis which we've needed a lot o lately we pay a visit to his apartmen in manhattan to talk about his weekend routine. stay with, us we'll be right back paradontax blood when you brush could lead to worse over time. help stop the clock on gum disease now. parodontax toothpaste... ...is 3x more effective at removing plaque bacteria, one of the main causes of bleeding gums. parodontax. the gum experts. i'm your overly competitive brother. check. psych! really? dude, that's a foul! and now you're ready to settle the score. and if you don't have the right home insurance coverage,

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we're witnessing right now this is history, even overnigh states as a president or forme president been indicted. some have faced potentia indictment after leaving office, like bill clinton and richar nixon. but actual, criminal charges we as a country have never bee here before. and that unknown can b understandably nerve-racking particularly when one of our country's two political partie is framing this moment as th equivalent of driving off cliff, crashing at the botto and exploding. >> our entire system has bee subverted to stop this one guy from becoming president again. >> this is burning down th rule of law. >> we've literally become banana republic.

>> this is going to destro america. >> if those video stress you out and make you questio whether all of this is worth it, take a breath and don't frea out. because as polarizing as our society can feel, in the activ investigating it of criminal behavior is not partisan b definition this is how the legal proces is supposed to work. they made a strong enough case for a grand jury, which is mad up of 23 citizens of new yor to bring an indictment that's where we are right now, and in donald trump's case, he certainly has the resources to afford a strong defense. and if he does become the firs former president to be convicted, that won't mean tha we turn to a banana republic either here in the red states, plenty of elected officials, includin officials in executive office, like governors, have bee indicted and convicted o criminal charges we survived, likewise, heads o

state around the world hav been tried and convicted in fact, it's kind of fairly common in 2012, former italian prim minister silvio berlusconi was convicted for tax fraud. the next year, he faced even more scandalous charges, which eventually overturned after very public legal battle south korea committed to its former presidents on charges o bribery. they were sentenced respective prison sentences a 15 and 24 years. in 2021 former french presiden nicholas sarkozy was convicted for trying to bribe a judge. all of these countries are still resilient democracies. and they all hold the same democratic ideal, that n matter who you are, no matte what party represents, n matter what position you holes everyone is equal under th law. protecting that ideal shouldn' feel destabilizing don't let it make you feel destabilized if anything, we should all tak

pride in that. if anything, all of this shoul make us feel more confiden about the future of ou democracy. coming up, i get a look into andrew weissmann's weekend routine in new york city i know a lot of people of in waiting for this and i was lucky enough to meet the star of the show stick around to find out mor about andrews coffee habits, his camera collection, and how he keeps up with an avalanch of legal news on a daily basis and later, i am back i'm excited to announce a bi guess will have on the sho next sunday. more on that, in just a fe minutes. while loading up our suv, one extra push and... crack! so, we scheduled at safelite.com. we were able to track our technician and knew exactly when he'd arrive. we can keep working! ♪ synth music ♪ >> woman: safelite came to us. >> tech: hi, i'm kendrick. >> woman: replaced our windshield, and installed new wipers to protect our new glass. that's service on our time. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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follow the development of th district attorney's office i manhattan. it's probably safe to say that andrew weissmann hasn't go much sleep since the news of the indictment broke o thursday night as a formerly prosecutor under special counsel robert mueller he's become a go-to lega analyst for just about every show on this network and if you like me, you've

probably wondered about hi beautiful apartment in new york including that staircase has become a famous thing on twitter. i recently had a chance to sto by and hear about his weeken routine. thanks for having me over. >> we seal a lot on television but in your apartment. >> here, yes >> i know. this is the expanded moment. >> these are the famous stairs i think everyone thinks they are a third of the size, because people are like, how could you possibly walk up them >> when we see on television we see a lot of this >> tell me about your camera collection >> some of this is mine. >> for some of these are parents? they also have - >> yes that was my parents camera and then this was my camera.

>> can we just have a moment o the inscription here which is, to andrew weissman if you're dedication and combat-ing foreign bribery that feels extremely bad asked >> i am going to be a barista. >> so andrew, when you wake up in the morning, is walking the dog first thing you do >> totally just hanging out your pajamas, and having a cup of coffee that dog goes crazy. >> no coffee first >> no coffee first are you kidding? >> i'm a coffee before i breathe. >> i turn my coffee machine on and i take the dog to the door and when he's there barkin like crazy, he knows it's me >> he's ready. >> it's my time. he is early good during th night, and then in the morning it's like me time. >> when i have the msnbc on in my office, i feel like every time there is breaking legal news, i see you on there explaining it to me. are you just waiting for you phone in your pocket to buzz

with something breaking? >> well, it's interesting. one of the things about being legal analyst is you keep up with what's going on your apartment makes you fee not old and extremely young. >> i am extremely hit before a boring, 30 lawyer. it's a very low bar. so i used to just -- i read the hard copy new yor times, that was it it was, like one newspaper now, i do overriding things. i listen to npr, i have msnb on in the background and then i go on to twitter, i have friends who text me things so it's really a hug combination. and you try and keep up today. >> i can ask andrew question for seven hours. so it actually reminds me of prepping for a briefing. this is what i would do with people i would basically intervie

them and asked them all th things in the end, i'm like, okay this is my understanding can i say this can i say that >> this is my dog. >> oh, you're ready to go. >> this is like, i am going fo a walk >> you did a good job. thank you for being a part o our journey here >> my thanks to my frien andrew weissmann for welcoming me into their beautiful home and be sure to check out andrew's amazing new msnbc podcast series, prosecutin donald trump andrew and mary mccord teame up to talk about how to build legal case, when the defendant is a former president. scan the qr code on your scree to listen and follow and coming up next, a bi announcement about a big interview i'm going to be doin next week. we'll tell you who it is after the break. (vo) businesses nationwide are switching to verizon business internet.

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the governor is launching hi own path, in part, to build up a democratic bench in part, to take the fight directly to these governors in their own states highlighting what he says is rising authoritarianism. >> we are going on the road, t take the fight to states where freedom is most under attack where republican leaders banne books, criminalized doctors, fire teachers. >> as you heard there, governo newsom is hitting the road thi week, with his family, touring states like florida, mississippi, and alabama i'm going to be spending som time with the governor while he's in alabama, and i'm looking forward to bringin that conversation next sunda show it's safe to say there is a lo i want to ask him about. that does it for me today, b sure to follow the show on twitter, tiktok, instagram we'll be here, back here, next sunday at noon eastern stay right where you are because alex witt report starts right now hi alex. >> haiti you i'm so glad to have you on nea the end of the show, and learning so much i did not know -

from your conversation wit tsai vance that donald trump faces anywhere from four position, at no time jail, t up to four years that was awesome now i know the trickier trade, my friend. obviously, in your conversatio with andrew weizmann, i figure out why you're so good at what you're doing already you've been asking questions and doing all the research always i didn't put it past, you bu anyway, i'm just saying, i'm really proud of what you'r doing. i'm grateful to have you here. >> thank you, alex you are credible have a great show today. >> see you next week, thanks a very good day to all of yo from msnbc world headquarter here in new york welcome to everyone -- developing this hour, loomin history dominating the front page of newspapers across this country today. about 48 hours fro unanticipated events, an moment that will