from your conversation wit tsai vance that donald trump faces anywhere from four position, at no time jail, t up to four years that was awesome now i know the trickier trade, my friend. obviously, in your conversatio with andrew weizmann, i figure out why you're so good at what you're doing already you've been asking questions and doing all the research always i didn't put it past, you bu anyway, i'm just saying, i'm really proud of what you'r doing. i'm grateful to have you here. >> thank you, alex you are credible have a great show today. >> see you next week, thanks a very good day to all of yo from msnbc world headquarter here in new york welcome to everyone -- developing this hour, loomin history dominating the front page of newspapers across this country today. about 48 hours fro unanticipated events, an moment that will generat

headlines in the days, weeks months, even years to come right now, donald trump and hi golf club in west palm beach set to become the first former president to appear in court a a criminal defendant here is what is expected t unfold trump will arrive in new yor city monday night, tuesday around 1 pm or so, he'll b driven from trump tower to the courthouse as of now, he will not b handcuffed, nor will he be placed in a holding cell he will be booked, and vigor printed. tuesdays also when we're expected to learn the exac charges trump is facing. earlier, the former president' lawyers gave some new strategy details. >> we're not doing anything -- because that would b showmanship, and nothing more. we haven't even seen the indictment yet we will take the indictment, w will dissect it, we will loo at every potential issue tha will be able to challenge, i very much anticipates -- >> meanwhile, the reaction fro

a lawyer, trump's former attorney, points to the star witness in the hush money case earlier today, johnny davis, making clear the volume of evidence against trump >> michael cohen - has a lot of documentation not only to this group o prosecutors, but to the earlie group. there are other documents, fro other people, and othe testimony, from other people that are direct, involving investigations with mr. trump, involving the counter -- remember, there are two crimes so the answer is substantial documentation. >> also today, trump finding defenders among republicans as supporters lined the streets outside of his florida gol club a new poll taken after the indictment the former presidents surgeo and the gop presidential primary race, leading potential field with 52% today, a new challenge emerging former arkansas governor, a -- says he's running fo

presidents hutchison also we had readines call for trump to withdraw the indictment sparks ne reactions from capitol hill. today, lawmakers on both sides are wayne and ahead of tuesday's arraignment. >> it's a very sad time fo america. i feel like other people are sad for our country to g through this >> no one should be above th law, but no one should be target of the law. >> let the criminal proces play out i do think this is politically motivated. it's one thing when you have counsel culture, it's anothe when you have a counsel of criminal justice system. >> moments ago, we have learne that donald trump plans to speak from his mar-a-lago club on tuesday night after he' returned to florida from new york that will be after his arraignment. we'll have a lot of that, an we also have a lot of ne ground to cover this hour fo you. we have reporters in place fro florida, washington and lee, aunt we're going to start as welcome you all with nbc's vaughn - hillyard he's in west palm

beach, not too far from trump' mar-a-lago estate. bond, we just learned abou trump's tuesday night speech plans. talk about the move there, and should we expect any other surprises for the trump team before tuesday >> right, there are question about what sort of publi access will lead to the former president when he is in ne york city. we know that secret servic intends to keep him out of the public eye that is where donald trump i now announcing that upon his return on tuesday, after his arraignment, he will deliver remarks here, at his private club in mar-a-lago, in wes palm beach florida this is the place, alex, tha we should note just a little over 24 hour from now, we anticipate hi leaving with his motorcade about nine minutes down th road, to palm beac international airport, will he will take his trump plane to new york city. >> this weekend, trump supporters gathering around hi florida golf course, showing their backing of the forme president you left on saturday

without taking questions about the indictment this, as he prepares to fly on monday evening, into new yor city, where he will stay overnight at his old residents and trump tower on fifth avenue by tuesday, he will take his motorcade, four miles south, downtown, to the crimina courthouse for his officia arraignment. he will be fingerprinted, bu whether he takes the mugshot i yet to be determined >> nbc has joined other news organizations, petitioning the court to allow counter acces in the courtroom for the hearing. cameras inside the court are not normally allowed in ne york manhattan district attorney, alvin bragg, facing intens scrutiny by the politica right. this includes one of mr. trump's potential 2024 rivals, rhonda sanchez, who on saturda came to his defense. >> the law has been weaponized for political purposes >> the attacks for bringin charges against mr. trump, stemming from the alleged 2016 hush money payment to stormy daniels, just weeks before the 2016 election. and arrangement trump ha

denied, initially knowin about. sources tell nbc news that there are least 30 count related to document fraud, but the specific charges are still secret until tuesday, when th indictment is unsealed >> we don't know what's goin to happen tuesday, but logistically, this is neve happened before. the secret service are involve in an arraignment. where have you seen that before? never. >> mr. trump's attorney says the former president will no take any - he has consistently denied any wrongdoing the case will go to trial in the months ahead the case will likely bring key witnesses to the sound including stormy daniels, wh spoke out for the first time >> i told him what i did i made it clear i was willing to go on the stand to tell my story they needed me >> alex, donald trump is currently at the golf club, or he spent about eight hours yesterday. for him, this is a holding pattern. his lawyer, joan tucker, has gone on the airwaves thi morning here across networks t try to set up an early defense

for now, it's ultimately going to be the court of law tha determines whether donald trum is guilty of these charges h anticipates have been read t him, on tuesday afternoon. alex >> vaughn hillyard, in wes palm beach many thanks. let's bring in lisa -- nbc legal analyst, along wit peter baker, chief white house correspondent with the new yor times, and an nbc politica analyst. he is also the coauthor of the divider, a trump in the whit house. as i welcome you both, i guess that is going to make me start with, you peter. you spent time interviewin trump at mar-a-lago for that book what do you think is on hi mind this afternoon as he' getting closer to this lon trip home to interact with the justice system how will he approach the nex couple days? >> well, look, i think a coupl things one, of, course is all the indications from mar-a-lago. you, know lashing out at everyone for how this happened he's very mad about th prosecutor, and all that you, know the other thing we have to keep in mind is what

we'll see the next couple days the trump show he loves been at the center of this spotlight he will make the most of this. he has already put out a statement indicating his schedule, it was a campaign, ship how is gonna go north what he's gonna go, they're al that kind of thing he's now announce, rightfully, that - they're televised, primetime statement afterwards, from mar-a-lago on tuesday night. he's been tribute as if it's a campaign event why not? in the hours since he wa indicted, he has used this successfully to fund-raise he got $4 million over thi 24-hour, immediately after the indictment he's treating it as a spectacl that everything else in hi life, or politics, have been and some, ways that's the ke to his success, as he sees that he's going to make this as muc of a spectacle as possible rather than a legal issue that you know, the lawyers deal with >> can i ask you about something? this is a guy who people say i a businessman, before he becam the president of the unite

states he has always tried to gain th system, right? did he come up against the system that he could not gam when it comes to politics? when it comes the law? and if that's the case, if that's what we're really looking at here, a sense o accountability, how is it that republican lawmakers are hidin behind this cloak of political partisanship in an effort to try to explain away what he' been accused of? >> well, look. you're right to say he's bee avoiding legal culpability now for literally 50 years the first legal exposure he had, he came under, was from th justice department in 1973 whe they accused the trump organization of wishfu discrimination they eventually settled th case, and he has been dealin with regulators, investigators and prosecutors, and basically ever since whether it's in jersey, casinos, or in new york, or various feelings there obviously, the motor case.

two impeachments the only president who i impeached twice. now this he has had a long record o finding ways of getting around you know, attacks on his legal situation. whether it be three delays making a political - and the republicans were standing with him understand that successful he has been. they understand what he is put up the numbers are not only not - they've gone up since th indictment that's the reality that they'r dealing with they assume that many th republicans are -- they recognize that they're no going, two and they're going t continue to be a powerhouse. >> it seems like it's al serving for this politicia that are going along with, u despite the fact that he may b accountable for many - lisa, the indictment remai under seal, but at the heart o everything as a woman, at th center of the hush money scandal. here's what she said to british newspaper. take a listen. >> i had a zoom call with, you know, the prosecutors and told them what i did and mad

it clear that i was willing to go on the stand and tell m story if they needed me. but at this very moment in time, i have not officially been called it looked like i was going t be called to friday's ago an then changed, so it changes by the minute honestly. does this mean she may not b so pivotal to the case after all? >> i think that's true look, alex, the folks that wer at the heart of this schem were donald trump, michael cohen, david pecker, dylan howard at the national enquirer, and then the lawyer wh represented both stormy daniels, and karen mcdougal and terms of the actua negotiations of the hush money payments, whether paid by th enquirer to karen mcdougal, or that paid by michael - to stormy daniels, neither o the women who were directl involved in communications wit the trump side, all of tha happened through their lawyers to the extent that the distric attorney will need som

additional cooperation, perhap further down the line. i think it was prudent for the to understand what storm daniels might say, particularl since the trump folks have continually wrapped on thi trumpy of extortion, extortion extortion by, stormy daniels but, i don't think she is necessary witness to the cas that we understand they're about to make. of course, that caveat, is t understand the indictment remains under seal none of us have seen the charges. it is become a common parlor game across, town across the country among lawyers, to tr to get those charges, and none of us really know right now. >> former manhattan da, cy vance, had a riveting and give you with - and meet the press let's take a peek at some of it >> why did you charge the hush money case why did you ever charge it i 2018, 2019, 2020 >> i was asked by th attorney's office to stand dow on our investigation as someone who respects that office a great deal, i -

i was somewhat surprised tha mr. cohen pleaded guilty at th federal government did not proceed on the in in which you asked me to step down. by that time - >> lisa, does this mean that trump doj asked the manhatta da to stop investigating the hush money case? >> absolutely, for a period of time, that's exactly wha happened and former southern district united - essentially says as much in book that was released earlier this, year alex. that's not a surprise to any reader of the new york times is not a surprise to any o those who have rea chapmansboro it's the first time, however that we heard a representative of the manhattan distric attorney's office that could burn that's what happened. they were not reauthorized t reopen any of thei investigations with trump, especially regard to his finances, until mid 2019 as events continue to say in that interview, that's when hi

-- started to look at trump's finances that's what begat there long litigation, with trump, over trying to get in the records from his accountants that was from the supreme court, back again, which was told u -- today. >> there's more, peter, for yo to comment on here is van sant whethe politics played a role in an of the new york investigations into trump take a listen. >> and for those who think thi is about politics, i think it' important to remind folks that their view of the presidents objections to are seeking hi taxes on the financial records are reviewed by two separate district courts, to step records, and twice by th united states supreme court. all of whom found no evidenc that politics was motivating the actions. >> so your paper wrote today peter, about trump's delay tactic, the first two lines ar great. attack, attack, attack, delay, delay, delay is this just trump benefitin from the long game, having tie

things up in a quagmir challenges in appeals, with th intent of spending illegal t feed into some sort of political win? >> well, i do think that the longer you delight, first of all there may be illegal benefits of that, but as a matter of public relations and politics, you take away some o the shock value, and the stake in the court proceedings if we were to go to a trial in this case, relatively quickly, for, instance we would command attention, and captivate the country. it goes on for nine, ten, 11 months, before we get to a trial. due to all the ways that thi has to appeal, this or that, o delay. by the time it gets to tha point, they feel like old news they feel, like, okay we kno about. this there's nothing shockin anymore. this is nothing we haven't heard before it's a matter of politics. and bill clinton at the same thing in 1998. he's striking out th investigation. by the time he admitted he had not told the truth about his relationship he had already basically assum that was the case. that's what trump hopes for.

>> okay. let's take a listen to wha vance said about the violent rhetoric that trump ha directed towards rga here's that. >> i would be mindful of not committing some other criminal offense, like obstruction of governmental administration. that could take what, perhaps, we think is not the stronges case, when you add account lik that, put it in front of a jury, change the jury's mind about the severity of the case >> peter outlined that - of this. when asked of you, lisa. does trump have any sense of history in his place tenets no with two impeachments, and thi indictment >> i don't think so. i don't think he has a sense that at all. in fact, alex, he continues to forgive them and formality he runs his mouth on socia media in a way that ever lawyer who had ever advised hi would tell him to stop doing at he's created additional troubl for himself in the civil case, with eugene carroll, because

the things exactly like that on the eve of his deposition i that case, he repeated the sam allegations that he made against her when he was in the white house, given rise to a brand-new defamation claim for which he didn't have the sam defense. meaning he was no longer president, he couldn't clean that is a defense. here he's doing something alon the same line, in part t defend himself, he's creatin more trouble for himself >> lisa and peter baker. excellent way to get the hou going. thank you so much. we'll see you again. in the meantime, thursday' breaking news, a call betwee the secretary of state a russia counterpart details on that, next. plus, we've seen the trump indictment rally his base ways much money for him there's something that campaig will not be able to use an adds what is? that will explain a 60 seconds using the services you want in the clouds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovate and grow.

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on this. thank you, what we're hearin about it >> this is a very rare phone call in the state department i saying that secretary of state anthony blinken, he expresse his grave concerns over th detention of evan -- accords that wall street journalist reporter who is now facing charges of espionage, charges that he, as well as th wall street journal, denied. the secretary of state als pushed for the release of paul whelan, who is the american wh was detained since 2018, and h was now serving a 16 yea president sentence on espionag charges. i also want to point out tha the russian foreign minister's website posted a statement about this call today. they say that russians for minister, sergei lavrov, he in fact said, to secretary blinken, and i want to reiterate that american seated respect russia authority, and he emphasized i is unacceptable, he, said fo officials in washington an western media to - with a clear intention, they say of politically coloring th situation so that's russia

politicizing this issue, o this reporter being detained that makes it the wall stree journal has said in a statement, it vehemently denies the allegations, and says th immediate release of our trusted dedicated reporter, we stand in solidarity with eva and his family the wall street journal is saying, this is what the passionate u.s. journalist who is living in russia for number of years, who understoo the risk, or wanted to do th work they're really making a toug situation, here we are hearing different stories here fro russia, and the u.s. it's going to be a situation we're going to have to kee covering, alex >> you certainly well then again, the different stories -- will consider the sources. thank you so much for that joining me now, congressman ji himes. democratic, were key member of the house intelligence committee. welcome, my friend good to see. you have you've been briefed i all in the situation in russia is there any hope that thi american journalist will b released sooner rather tha later? >> well, alex, the details are sketchy. this was the story last week i can tell you this, he's not spy. he's not on the intelligence

committee. generally speaking, ou intelligence community wil never use journalists as intelligence officers, agents, collectors, whatever, fo precisely this reason. journalist need to be able t do what they do, and that' difficult and safe country sometimes. let's dispense with the fact there. is this the surprise, force is not a surprise a country that would deliberately target speeders full of people, that would aim their weaponry at, that woul move children, you know, i ways that are -- this is not one but surprising hopefully lebron of understand that this is a downward spiral that does, not in the, and com to russia's advantage. hopefully the secretary of state -- but hopefully the secretar status doing exactly what we would want to be doing right now, which is reading the -- toothbrush, and saying acros the red lines, when you better think about that >> yeah, okay. let me ask you your reaction t the indictment of donald trump as it faces the agreement on

tuesday. we have heard over and ove again the historic nature of a president of the united states being criminally indicted fo the first time can you put this in perspectiv for us >> well, it's obviously somber moment. it is a somber moment. i'll tell you why i say that i think if you want to understand this, you have to g back to something donald trump said when he was running for president in january - and iowa he said, i could shoot someone of fifth avenue, i would not face any - that turns out to be true. he didn't shoot anyone, bu he's done pretty muc everything else. including, been charged fo something, the facts of th case being precisely wha michael cohen went to jail for michael cohen being -- by the trump justice department, this whole mess of, whatever you want to call what's really sad though, alex is that it's scary that nothin will change their minds abou donald trump we're not above the la territory, we're in demigo territory. people think he can commit n wrong. what sad for me, as a member o

congress, is that republican that i respect or out there, without a single fact, sayin this is political. no one has seen the evidence no one understands the indictment, and yet -- what they need to do to survive, which is destroying their ow credibility, and the crimina justice system because it is what you need to do to politically survive. >> you, know you mentioned these republicans, let's tal about the how to republica chairman, these are people who have made repeated attempts to compel information and testimony. one of those chairs, jim jordan, he said this take a listen. >> everything is on the table, because the american peopl deserve answers to - why district tierney is doin what has been pointed out so clearly, crossing this - which is never happened in the history of our great country >> what's behind the calls t investigate the da >> well, first of, all let's examine the statement. something that's never happens

you can, if you're jim jordan, that makes you angry all jim jordan needs to do i to support his leader. that's all he needs to do. but, the other way to look a this, of, course yes, this never happened, because we'v never had a president who lied constantly, who, obviously, to the horrible thing, going back to claiming to grab women' genitals, -- and for the last ten minutes it turns out, no one, including, we said this before, no one is above the law. there are two ways to thin about this what, again, is really scary here and you know, it's no enough to win elections, because donald trump never won a popular majority he lost the presidency he lost the house of representatives. he lost the senate yet, somehow, they can't break the fever. somehow, they, just by colleagues, the three chairman you're referring to, they can' do what adam kissinger and representative cheney dead, an say, this is madness not only is it ethically wrong we will lose elections they're shenzhou-14, and all

his fellow - without a single fact back o their position >> you may have heard me, mayb i'm a today, it seems very sel serving what they're doing i, mean was that what it's about? a look at where those tw representatives you just mentioned, kissinger cheney, work where they are now. they're not in congress. kissinger, by his choice he decided to retire >> the word is exactly right self surveyed. it's precisely right you know, any republican who crosses that, whatever it, i 25% of americans who believe that donald trump as a demigod came incapable of doing wrong, they put their own current peril. and let's 12 for just te seconds on the hypocrisy o this, right? the chair the prosecution, michael cohen, right, michae cohen turned on them the chair of the prosecution - by the, why this is the same crowd, i'm old enough to remember when this crowd - remember the chance of lock he up hillary clinton had to go to jail, she didn't need to b charged, but she did need to b

locked out because of some weird use of emails. now precisely these things are presented with the fact pattern, and send michael cohen to jail they're saying, this is political. you know >> totally last quick question, do yo fear anything come tuesday are you worried? >> well, you, now apart for th damage that has been done to the credibility of the integrity of a good portion of the united states congress because of their need to service demigod, yes that is my other concern you know, we can all understan why republicans are bein created right now. the problem is, some tin percentage of the american public is going to feel like they now have permission t hurt other people. yes, i'm profoundly concerne by the end of next week, there will be dead americans because of the language of donald trump, because no one is standing up, on that side, saying this is wrong, you have a right to protest, violence under an circumstance will not be tolerated. it's not okay. that's not where their heads are. >> one word response to that i

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one of the hardest hit states. emily, welcome what is the situation like where you are? >> well earlier today, president biden approved the major disaster declaration for the state of arkansas, and you can see why. there are more than 2600 homes and businesses, damaged. like the ones behind me here forced tornado with the forc of 165 mile an hour winds. completely reducing homes to rubble, tearing off houses, tangled mass of downed trees and power lines. that's just the start of it we talk to residents in thi neighborhood who came home t find roofs ripped off. their homes were just left in complete and utter mass. take a listen. >> the is astronomical it's a surprise. it's many tornadoes, i'v literally my life, and as many tornadoes as we had across the state, it's still a surprise when it's yours. i think the biggest loss for me, the biggest loss for me is tha

-- it takes years to get replaced the trees. >> i mentioned that federal ai earlier, the fema administrato actually on the ground earlier today, here in little rock i had a conversation with her. she called the monstrous storm that swept across the countr historic, when you conside that there are 30 people, at least, who were killed acros seven states from this band of severe storms. we saw that band of severe storms push eastward yesterday towards the northeast. responding at least tw tornadoes. one in new jersey, one i delaware tragically, one person kille in delaware. alex, that's actually the firs tornado fatality that state ha seen and decades alex >> wow we didn't have tornadoes where i live in new york, we certainly had some thunder and lightning. it was pretty profound thank you so much, emily, fo the update while you might want to -- a u.s. department of justice care about him and had a grand jury, indicting donald trump but they do. what are they saying behind th

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questions raised today b former manhattan prosecutor, saipan's junior. here's what he told nbc's chuc todd just a short time ago >> why did you charge the hush money case why didn't you ever charged in 2018, 2019, 2020 >> i was asked by the u.s.

attorney's office in the southern district to stand dow on our investigation as someone who respects that officer great deal, i did. so i was somewhat surprise after mr. cohen pleaded guilty that the federal government di not proceed on the areas i which he asked me to stand down by that time - >> let's bring in ken delaney, and justice and intelligence correspondent for nbc news welcome, can't so what did you take from that response is there any way to interpre that as the trump justic department influencing vance's moves on the hush money case >> great to see, you alex. i don't think. so look, this is a ver complicated situation. it's very normal for u.s attorney's office that's conducting a federal investigation into something t ask local prosecutors to ste aside. remember, at the time, vance i talking about the southern district of new york was investigating michael cohen an the entire hush money scheme they ended up charging cohen and cohen pled guilty, and the laid out what the activity i

that the person they call th individual one, who was donald trump. they laid out the scheme there when it came to lookin at the question of trying to charge trump, they could i charge of this presidents. that office looked at the case after trump left office, i concluded that they couldn't charge this case there were some real concern that federal prosecutors had a both michael cohen's credibility. those were queer people. there was some political influence. now it's been reported by jeff berman in his book, the former u.s. attorney and others, by some senior people of the trum administration over that office all reported at nbc news her that didn't make a differenc in how they perceive this case they ultimately sought differently. here's a reminder, this woul be a much cleaner situation if this case was being brought by the justice department, alex >> interesting what are you hearing,, cannonball the doj and special counsel, jack smith saw this does this indictment, does i complicate their path at all what they have preferred tha the manhattan da hold off? is anyone privately expressing that sentiment

>> so, alex, jack smith is not taking my calls these days when i talk to people over a doj, this week, about this question, they say, look, we'r moving forward we're ignoring the noise this investigation i proceeding, we're going to follow the facts of the law. i think it's fair to say tha there is some unease about the fact that this case, this is the first indictment of former u.s. president in history. this case, brought by an elected democrat in a city, an a blue state, every republican of all stripes, moderate t conservative, they'r denouncing this case in a wa that maybe some of the wouldn't be if this was dispassionate case brought b the justice department, in a special counsel that's nonpartisan. there is a concern that this criticism, but this, case is political. the other thing, this is not a very serious charge compared t the stuff that jacks mitt is looking. at the maximum prison term, as we understand it, we haven't

seen the indictment, yeah bu we're talking about potentia for your sentence. potentially no jail sentence a all, whereas the crimes that jack smith is looking, at th alleged crimes, there are very serious. there are the heart of our democracy. yes, there is some monies. there's also some concern that there is weaknesses in thi case, particularly the ide that the hush money payments could be construed as campaign finance contribution. that is very much an ope question in criminal law >> well, jack smith may not be taking your case this week there are, calls rather, but i know you're going to kee dalian that is great. thank you so much. a problem at republican says despite all the support he's getting right now, donald trum will not be the nominee in 2024 he is convinced that is he right? we'll have some answers, next. small business. (vo) verizon has business internet solutions nationwide. (man) for our not-so-small business too. (vo) get internet that keeps your business ready for anything. from verizon.

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okay, family on sundays, let's get into this. john, what do you make that th reactions to the indictment? what has been your own reaction? how big of an impact does this all have >> you know, i don't think i has much of an impact on democrats preparation for th 2024 presidential race we knew all along that - against ronda sanchez. why? as we are reminded very ofte on the program, it's never bee clear that donald trump is running for president in a campaign we see those other names they're, except for desantis haven't been able to gain th traction like donald trump, is probably not running we also know that trump -- this will long outlast donal trump. desantis appears to be at th head of that, whatever that is worth. he's always been the guy at the surge in the poll forehand, doesn't really scare me, because we've known that h has the supporters that ar rapid enough forehand, tha believe in those aimless cause he represents. he could win a primary

>> susan, trump's former attorney general, bill, barr says that he feels trump's bee indicted because democrats wan him to be the republican nominee. is that a reach? i mean, is the indictmen simply about trump potentially committing crimes? >> that's a reach. i don't know, maybe it's bil barr trying to get back on the former presidents -- but boy, that is a breach. it is good for nobody to b under indictment, full stop. this indictment will not hel donald trump true, right now, it's no costing him any votes, but severaof the polls that we'v seen in the last 48 hours have indicated donald trump has a huge problem with independents it's getting worse donald trump will not be abl to win in 2024 it's just so spelled out because his behavior is only getting worse and worse. again, i'm not sure he's going to have his name on a ballot

there is at least, at leas possibly, three more indictments to come. those indictments, i, think ar going to look a lot meteor, lot of people feel that this indictment, although we don' know what it says, it' suspected to be around the stormy daniels hush money case is political retribution i'm not saying it is that's how people feel as from so many years ago. let's see what they brin forward. especially, not just on th classified document case, bu rather, the obstruction of justice in that classified document case. >> i will set, you have long said you don't think he's gonn be the republican nominee. so there you, got saying it. again what about you, david. let's talk about new hampshire are, republican governor kristen new. take a listen to what he sai about the indictment this week and here's it is >> what a circus, right? i, mean it is. it's an absolute circus. it's a lot of -- you have all these political - >> he's guilty, right? >> well, you know the diamonds are? i'm assuming he, is right?

let's jump right at it it only helps it which i think we can all agree i don't think he's going to be the nominee. he should be the nominee he can't win in 24 but there is still a lot - >> so despite this wave of renewed support, governo sununu is actually echoing wha susan is saying, same trum will not be the nominee. what is that at least those tw are seeing that others don't seem to see? >> well, i actually take a different. take i think, look, all of our analyses have been literally right? there are many mor developments to come maybe we're forecastin something that may or may no happen if you take just the last tw weeks, since donald trump pu on to social that he was going to be indicted, and sounds, he wa indicted what we are learning is in the republican primary, there is a strengthening of donald trump' positioning. i think that's important at the primary were held today i think donald trump wouldn'

be the nominee look, i think in a general election, and i absolutely agree with susan, and sununu and sununu, and others there was no way that donald trump could win. if he is the nominee, he wil be running on civil war themes you will be the agent of retribution trying to tear the country apart. even if you take all the nonsense around donald trump out of that kind of messaging, voters don't want to hear that message. voters want to hear an aspirational message every cycle about health care, and education, ellen, ordering the economy. they don't want to hear abou civil worn retribution, whic would be donald trump' message. ultimately, and unsuccessful one, and a general election. >> it sounds to me like you've given a thorough explanation a to why will barr made th statement that democrats wan donald trump to run, you know? >> yeah. i will say this. democrats have been very sober in this moment republicans have rushed to interfere with the case, t

judge it, to suggest they know all the details. democrats, starting with joe biden himself, have taken th approach of, let's let the process work this - they can do the same thing you don't have to be crazy i this moment. they can say, look, i believ in donald trump's innocence. under the law in order that we have in the united states, h will have an opportunity to be exonerated i look forward to that day that is going with republicans to embrace the big, but also support law and order. is not what they're doing. >> so concerns are growing,, certainly, over potentia unrest one of the key figures in th case, stormy daniels, gave som new reaction detailing threats she was facing take a listen to this. >> especially scary becaus trump himself is incitin violence, that encouraging at, and getting away with that it just takes one crazy support, or things that they're doing you know, god's work, or, yo know, protecting democracy it's, i mean, i'm looking at a

couple things that have come through in the last two hours, and they are way more violen and graphic. it's scary people just seem to ge crazier. >> so, job why aren't more republicans denouncing thi aspect of things when it comes to zealously supporting trump, to silence about violence, does this give tacit approval for trump's mourning of death an destruction? >> 1000% to. does even the most reasonabl republican, like governo christie knew, knew they convinced me with all the stuff, you now, bill barr and talk to appear centrist, or -- is the hundreds and, because you did nothing to arrest th foolishness of 2010, 2009, i began to show up in the form o the tea party, expressing al that stuff god forbid we all step out o our washington d.c. politica bug bulls for a moment, an think about something. democrats can win an electio based on merit, based on the performance of the current

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