>> thank you, as always. i'm going to be seeing you a lot over the next couple o days >> you will be >> of course, you can watch th katie phang show airing at saturdays -- her special, as we just spok about, the culture is aapi begins at 10 pm eastern tonigh on msnbc and streaming o peacock as well. before that, at 6 pm eastern you've got your work cut out for you, girl, she joins our special coverage on trump' indictment led by -- you see the panel right there. all-star panel that does it for me in the first hour of the yasmin vossoughian reports. we will keep rolling here. our next hour starts right now ♪ ♪ ♪ >> hey, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian if you are just joining us welcome. if you are sticking with us, w thank you for that we continue to follow th breaking news. a rising death toll an destruction across several states in the wake of weeken

tornadoes. we will have a live report ahead. in the next 48 hours, donald trump is expected to travel to new york walk into a manhattan courtroo and be officially charged in about 30 criminal counts the former president announced plans for a big post arraignment speech those connected to the cas were sharing their thought ahead of the big day tuesday >> alvin bragg - 2000-pound anvil accountabilit right onto his lap since the first time in hi life that he's going to be hel accountable for his own dirt deeds. >> anything at the arraignment -- that would be showmanship an nothing more we have not seen the indictmen yet. >> i would be mindful of not committing some other criminal events, like instruction o governmental interference whic is interfering with by threa or otherwise the operation o government >> new york city police ar tightening security around the manhattan courthouse for the - it is not clear if trump wil

get the massive protests h craves >> we are here in front of trump tower the day after th indictment and there are massive protests let's go check it out. are you the only person here >> i don't know, maybe >> our friends at the good lawyers were at the courthouse on friday. trump tower as well. they've been talking to th trump faithful already providing their verdict on the case we will have much more on that later on this hour as well we begin with breaking news we have been following, those deadly in destructive storms this weekend, at least 3 people are now dead. hundreds more are injured afte more than 60 confirmed tornadoes touched down storms hit across the south an midwest, the east coast as well, tearing up houses, buildings displacing hundreds of people. a short time ago, president jo biden approved arkansa disaster declaration, sendin much-needed federal aid there. joining us is nbc's jesse curse,

she's in sullivan, - where the storms have killed a least five people. unbelievable destruction acros the country with these tornadoes. a lot of folks saying, what is going on especially when they experienc what happened behind you >> yeah, yasmin. three people in the sullivan area, we are told by officials five more probably in the stat of indiana that lost their lives. i can tell you the numbers are kind of remarkably low when yo look at the devastation. this was a neighborhood. you can see some homes hav roof damage. others, properties are jus littered with debris you can see this home has some of its roof, about half it roof, almost, sheared away other buildings had their roof completely gone, beams protruding from inside the - the porches bent in. i met a man a short time ago who said he raced downstairs t the basement he was there for a handful o minutes, two or three minute before he heard the tornad overhead he says he then stepped out as

the storm passed and saw the aftermath. all these devastation, about 3 to 40 homes, according t officials, in this neighborhood 200 homes more broadly in this community of sullivan. an hour in 15 minutes from indianapolis for context o where we are in the state of indiana. the national weather service i preliminarily saying this wa an ef3 tornado that came through with 155 mil per hour wind gusts. you can just see and this was neighborhood there are still some homes standing a trees, and their branche were sheared off trunks at this point this is what mother nature can do unfortunately, this area i bracing for more severe weather, potentially, on tuesday, yasmin >> jesse courage for us, thank you, jesse we appreciate it former president donald trum already saying he will deliver remarks live from mar-a-lago tuesday night. following his arraignment on criminal charges nbc's vaughn hillyard is nea mar-a-lago as we've been following, the former president -

ivan, get to talk to you again trump announcing that thes remarks are going to happen at mar-a-lago, as i mentioned, on tuesday. but we don't necessarily kno the day -- play-by-play on tuesday, the timing and when this wil happen walk us through what we do know >> right his attorney, joe tacopina said today that everything i still very fluid we are trying to get a bette understanding of what time tomorrow he is slated to leave mar-a-lago to head up to new york city. then there is questions to exactly what time th arraignment happens. will he have a mugshot taken will there be cameras inside the courtroom? in new york, usually not nbc and other medi organizations have petitione for the camera to be inside. there are a lot of outstanding questions. what we do know is that donald trump plans to make thos remarks back here at mar-a-lag on tuesday night in primetime. it was louisiana senator phi cassidy who earlier this morning said that he was

concerned that all this woul become theater that the legal pursuits agains donald trump would take folks, americans eyes off the ball of the issues that he - in washington, d.c., and at th state level. of course, donald trump is ready to take on these legal cases head on and in a ver vocal way. i want to let you hear from hi own former attorney general, bill barr, this morning, whe bill barr was asked a question of whether donald trump wh usually likes to defend himsel would be a good witness in thi case when the trial begins take a listen. >> i mean, i am not his lawyer generally, i think it's a ba idea it's particularly a bad idea for trump because he lacks all self control and can be very difficult to prepare him and keep him testifying in a prudent fashion. >> yasmin, new territory for donald trump trump, when impeachments wer underway against him

impeachment proceedings and th capital january 6th select committee investigation, h played his own offense this time, though, the folks deliberating on his judgment they are a jury. his attorney has said he wil not cut a deal we saw the university case i 2017 he agreed on a settlement. that appears not to be on th table this time around ultimately, it will be up to a jury to determine. it's a question of what will h postal from we get what is he going to say on tuesday night? because if he doesn't take the stand, it's going to be matter of when and changing th public perception of thi trial. >> i have a feeling if he want to take the stand, he's goin to take the stand. if the gag for the reporters put in place, he may not abide by that. we will have to see. can you quickly tell me, i'v been hearing a lot of hawkin as you've been speaking, are those folks that are honking are they supporting the former president of the united states has there been a lot of that >> yasmin, there's about two dozen folks here with flags, the ardent supporters coming

out. his folks drive by here. we are just outsid mar-a-lago's property. you can hear about every other car that gives a honk on the way. this is the pathway anticipate the former president takin remarks at the airport to ge to new york city -- the return to mar-a-lago and the anticipation is we may not see him until that verdict -- could get him to new york city tomorrow >> vaughn hillyard for us, holding down the fort in florida. thank you, van good to talk to you. it has been quite the week for the former president, to say the least. as we -- recycled through a rain -- since the indictment came down both keeping and a commo didn't - play his rounds of golf at mar-a-lago while also boosting dozens of rambling - on truth social attacking thos as threats we want to bring in david ca johnston, professor an distinguished visiting lecture at syracuse, author of the big chief. david, as always, great to tal to you about stuff like this let's first talk about what we

think of the former presidents current state of mind. it's all that's happening. attacking the new york da, attacking the wife of alvi bragg, calling for protests. saying he will be making a speech at mar-a-lago, some reporting, we are hearing from the washington post as well fo his demeanor and expectation coming out of this whole thing what do you think? >> donald has no history of -- that will allow him to process what's going on. he has gotten away with crimes of wrongdoing, everything from -- 12, 13, 14 year old children i his casinos, begging the liquor in hotel, rooms being - a major international cocain trafficker for which he di major favors to getting away with lying

under oath in some proceedings donald is very aware that he i at risk. he simply doesn't know how t process that he is scared you are seeing his fear and hi growing fear in the things he' posting to truth social and th comments he's making in public >> i want to point out, david, if i can, many allegations hav been made against the former president, many of which he ha not been charged for important to - >> he has not been charged wit any until now. these are civil matters he's been involved in >> if we can take a step back, we are talking about the manhattan da and what' happening there with the hus money case we are waiting, of course, for these indictments to b unsealed on tuesday. you look at that, you look a what's happening in fulton county, georgia, you look at jack smith and the special counsel investigation as wel into his role in january 6th

which one of those three, do you think, is the bigges threat to the former president >> oh, without a doubt it is i the federal investigation, which appears to have tw elements to it and one of them is the insurrection on january 6th. the other is donald stealing national security documents, which the court record indicates included a materia that would allow someone t identify undercover agents o our assets, the assets being someone inside the kremlin speaking out to th intelligence services. and that is a very serious matter for trump he's going to want to focu instead on what donald regards as the illegitimate prosecutio of him understand, to donald, h should not be prosecuted he has not done anything wrong donald once said he never aske god for forgiveness becaus he's never done anything in hi life that would require him to ask forgiveness. >> david johnson, as always, i

is great to talk to you. coming up, in just 60 seconds, republicans looking to investigate da alvin bragg saying everything is on th table as they continue t defend donald trump over his indictment democratic congressman forme federal prosecutor joins m next with his reaction plus, his thoughts on th numerous legal troubles facing donald trump we will be right back. that's why you choose vmware. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you keep your cloud options open. (vo) businesses nationwide are switching to verizon business internet. and enterprise control, (woman) it's a perfect fit for my small business. (vo) verizon has business internet solutions nationwide. (man) for our not-so-small business too. (vo) get internet that keeps your business ready for anything. from verizon. i'm your overly competitive brother. check. psych! and i'm about to steal this game from you

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making it clear, everything is on the table when it comes t compelling alvin bragg to spea with him about the prosecution of donald, trump i wanna bring in jordan's democratic colleagues, one of jordan' democratic colleagues, congressman glenn ivey o maryland who served as about a former assistant guy - a state's attorney, and prince counties - we appreciate it we know the plan of th republicans and they've made this clear from the beginning. obviously, they have now shifted their focus away fro hunter biden and the current president of the united states to defending the honor, of the former president of the united states and going after the manhattan da, alvin bragg. what do you make of and th fight they feel as if they hav ahead and what they want to do >> well, as i stated at th time i was really astonished a the attacks on mr. brag. i thought they were totall misplaced and over a variety o

lines like - federalism, attorney wor product and the list goes on and on and but more importantly the obvious attempt to try and intimidate mr. brag an potentially the grand jury now that the indictment is out there and they have change their strategy to simply attacking it as a witch hunt that should not have bee undertaken and that he should b prosecuting other cases. but certainly within his - texas size it discretion i this way, we will see what the charges are. shortly, when they are unveile and unsealed but so far he has been on lega ground and the republica attacks have been predictabl but misguided. >> so, could they compel d bragg to testify before th house by subpoenaing him and as brag have a case to refuse that subpoena considering they are still inside this investigation an

possibly trial in the near future >> yeah. it is a pretty interesting question in a variety of respects i don't think congress shoul exercise this discretion a power in this way at this time because it looks like an obvious attempt to disrupt a ongoing criminal prosecution congress does have subpoen power, if it is aimed at enacting legislation or fo legislative purposes i have seen them strain to try and fit into that but i thin at the end of the day it reall is just an effort to try and punish him for exercising th power that new york voters hav given him. and the grand jury as well >> i think a lot of folks were surprised that david bragg cam forward first with thi indictment i think a lot of people though it was going to come from fani willis into fulton county, obviously we still haven't heard where that stands, her a ongoing investigation with especially counsel -

adam schiff told my counsel -- that he feels as if i had th doj been more aggressive - those charges would have com first. does it matter with comes first? or do you think he has a point there? >> i don't know that it matters, which charges are brough forth. i think what will matter first is which goes to trial and whether there are convictions. if there is a conviction in on of the first trials, regardles of which one it is, i can se it as a game-changer for a lot of the attacks on thes prosecutions as being partisan because at that point there ar confirmed and ratified by jury of his peers in whichever jurisdiction that happens. so you know, there are a lot o hand - at the end of the day, the bottom line is just what doe the jury do? >> - could be zika simultaneous trials go down we know jack smith is a little bit more behind the vehicl when it comes to the investigation, but if we hea --

coming weeks, could there be two trials going on at the sam time could that be going on - united states? >> interesting question. typically state courts defer t the feds but here are, you have to stat courts doing an investigatio at the same time i would assume that th prosecutors would have a conversation and try t coordinate among themselves, but you never know and the other option is, i think this is unlikely, becaus the trump team has tended to want to stall rather than move quickly but they could deman speedy trial rights and try to move the cases forward as fast as possible. so we will have to see wha cards they play on that front. they could definitely have downsides to that. >> yeah. congressman glenn ivey i maryland, thank you sir. still ahead everybody, company duo, the good liars, are bac with a wild thing they heard from trump supporters, thi time out as waco rally

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everybody. the pieces are in motion for what is shaping up to be a historic week, to say th least. the former president is set to fly in new york city tomorro ahead of his arraignment the new york - mobilizing all of its officers in uniform in anticipation o protests even the secret service sendin dozens of agents to ensure the security of trump's trouble. i want to bring in nbc justice intelligent -- to talk more about this. so, if you will, can you kin of take us through the play by play the embassies of how this is all expected to play out we know a lot of things coul change between now and then. >> sure, yasmin. we learned today that th

former president intends t give a speech of some kind a mar-a-lago tomorrow night, around 8:15. that is before he is set to fly, we believe, that night, to new york city, spend the night there and then he would leav around one in the afternoo from trump tower, is residents and drive down in a motorcad to lower manhattan, where he will turn himself into the district attorney's office and he will be booked. but we have never seen a booking like this. it is very likely that the entire building will be cleare and searched by the secret service, because that is wha happens to happen when a forme president goes anywhere. you will be accompanied at all times by his secret servic detail but he will also, we are told, go through the norm or procedures of someone when the arrested, or when they tur themselves in, which is they will be fingerprinted. dna swabs will be taken. in the mugshot, photograph taken. normally, the defendants are handcuffed throughout this process. it seems like it is unclea

whether that is going to happen, particularly, it probabl doesn't need to happen in -- aren't secret service agent. but that is where it is. and then, you know, normally a that point in the process, defendants can be held over, placed in jail for some period of time. until the arraignment before a judge, we don't think that wil happen in this case, but h will be arraigned. he will be taken before a judg and then at that point, yasmin the indictment will be unseale and everyone will see exactl the nature of, and the specifi -- criminal charges >> two things for sure do we know he is getting amo shot i know there is some - mugshot. first and foremost, and then w know there's also -- fox news, making some pretty bold claims. what was he saying >> yeah. the mugshot thing i think is u in the air, you are absolutely right. i don't think we will know for sure, there is never been a -- territory. in terms of trustee, james

trusty's a former federa prosecutor he rarely makes public appearances. so, i took note of his appearance on fox news thi morning, where he wasn't announcing this new your cas and saying all of the things that trump's other lawyers hav been saying. he also took a shot at the justice department, both a merrick garland and that president biden. he suggested that merric garland gave a press conferenc celebrating the fbi search o mar-a-lago, which is not factual. he gave a news conference to talk about the legal process i that case, after trump reveale the search and spent day attacking -- he also said that bide unleashed the justic department on former president trump, which look, is just not true there is nothing that supports that i think it is important to point the stuff out. we are in a climate right no where a lot of people ar criticizing how former president trump has been treated, or accusing various aspects of the justice syste to be political, but i kno from my reporting that whateve you want to say about thes

investigations of former president trump, the biden administration has taken pains to keep their hands off th justice department, and th justice department and merrick garland has been very carefu to avoid even the appearance o coordinating with the whit house on these federal investigations >> tuesday is going to be quit a day for the former president to say the least, before tha arraignment -- at mar-a-lago sometime it seems late tuesday as well ken delaney, thank you a always my friend i want to bring you in, charle delaney -- as well. thanks for joining us. >> glad to be here >> we are all looking for this indictment to be unsealed. we want to know the story. what is the case that the da's office has built here agains the former president what are you going to be looking for, once that happens >> well, we all know that ther are 30 plus counts anticipated to be in this indictment once it is unsealed, what i' anticipating is that most of those counts of -- individual payments made t michael cohen.

that is how the number gets so high but what i'm going to be looking for is the felon requires that you are doin this in order to conceal a crime. so i am trying to understand what is the crime that alvin bragg is actually charging him or alleging that he was trying to conceal with his falsify -- >> the felony. -- >> so for a while, it wa floated that it was going to b a motion of campaign finance violations so i am really going to be looking for what is the extr stuff, where is that extra - >> do you think it will be different than campaign finance? do you think it will b something different? >> i believe it will be th campaign finance that is also where i a watching that is the part of the actual charges, that makes the lega theory a little dicey. i think that people have talke about that they may no understand why people ar concerned about brag pursuin this route, so i am curious to see, as a formal prosecutor, how to get there with th campaign finance violations, given that we are talking abou a federal campaign being enforced at the state level.

>> i've so many questions fo you. is there a possibility thi trial could be moved as th trump attorneys want >> in a lot of ways, yes and no they are lawyers he is a -- not president trump. they are going to engage a bunch of different - some work, some may not. i expect them to try to do everything from trying t dismiss this in addition t trying to move the venue, to a number of other movers tha they will pull throughout th course of this prosecution and like i said, some of the mesa be successful i don't think it is going to b a matter of all or nothing for either side. and it is going to be awhile before we see anything - >> 16 months from when the indictment came down from th pro trump again -- began. trump is all about delay, delay, delay. push, push push we could be looking a 2024 -- possibly winning the nominatio -- trial. if he is found guilty, he coul be a felon running for president of the united states

and possibly win an election >> yes he could. there is nothing that stops hi from doing that. this is why the conversation about jack smith is so important. because right now, of all th charges and all the offens that he is facing, the only on that would prevent him fro holding office again is th seditious conspiracy that is a the federal level in the hands of the doj nothing that is taking place here would stop him from running, from winning, and fro assuming office. so that is important tha people understand that it is also important t understand that there coul very well be a situation where the judge, in this case, understands that the political implications might be a little too large. and basically -- either a trial or th proceedings until after th election, if we go that far. >> what if he wins the presidency what the judge gonna have to stay until after a four-year term >> he doesn't have to stay a any point. >> he did. >> but he did. he could and i think that is a very interesting proposition. this case presents so many different -- legal wrinkles it could happen. i think it is unlikely that it would. but it absolutely could. >> i asked this earlier.

is there a possibility of an interception in which we hav multiple trials happening? we have fulton county, along with the manhattan da? >> usually, people will stagge their trials basically cases will track one another. i think that if there is a federal indictment for the doj that will likely be the firs thing that you see moving. because the federal docket tends to move faster anyway. but if these things, in term of the scheduling, coming to overlap, at some point the judges are going to allow fo space between the trials they will not take place simultaneously >> charles coleman, we will be hearing a lot from you over th next couple of days. we will also be tuning in as things are progressing wit these things thank you, as always good to talk to. all right, coming up everybody the most expensive state supreme court race in histor is culminating in a face off this tuesday in wisconsin, between candidates to decide the future of abortion acces in the state >> i think with roe v. wade, being overturned, i think ever court, supreme court across th

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win reelection abc's melissa par joins us wit the latest on both these elections. marissa, let's start first wit wisconsin. the supreme -- a major topic there. what do we see >> we are already seeing thi race breaking records. we are not even at election da yet. this is the most expensive supreme state. -- in the history already there is a lot at stake righ now. currently the state suprem court leans fords three in conservative favor this race comes down between a liberal and a conservative candidate. whoever wins this will determine the balance of power this is already a deeply political, divided legislature and governor this is really going to impact state politics, especially o key issues like abortion rights we will get to that in just second but as political science experts have explained, people know, political groups know, there is a lot at stake here with this race >> this is now a partisa process. the process of electin justices in wisconsin is now

being infiltrated bipartisan groups, including th republican and democrati parties and self, which are no -- both candidates. once the justices arrive on th court, they vote in predictable partisan fashion >> as you may remember wisconsin was one of the first states to put an abortion ba in place once roe v. wade wa overturned that is because of a trigger law dating back to the 19t century, that happened ver fast it made national headlines o that historic day. so, wisconsin really has been focal point when it comes to abortion rights and access abortion rights activists have been making wisconsin a ke part of their activism so this race here really has been a key point in that fight and so we know election day is just a couple of days away but we have already seen peopl showing up in record numbers for older voting >> over to chicago, voters they're casting their ballot on tuesday for the next mayo -- where we on this >> that is an interesting race

to you have another histori moment, where the incumben mayor, we had lose the runoff, didn't even make it to thi runoff that is coming up o tuesday for the first time i decades. it is mayor lori lightfoot you see on your screen there so what we have in just couple of days, clearly chicag voted -- they want to change. so you have two democratic candidates are on opposite end of the democratic politica spectrum one means -- the other a little bit mor progressive. so it is a little -- we know crime is a key votin issue in chicago, if not the very top voting issue in the city we know that that has been a issue. we know it is something that i on the issue, the minds of voters across the country. particularly in the city of tw candidates who have very different approaches when it was a more holisti approach to crime, the other was a little bit more of a heavy-handed approach, looking at increasing more policing, a the backing of police union. -- litmus test on not just where very liberal, progressive, democratic city stands, ho

they vote for change, bu potentially looking ahead to 2024, you have two very, ver interesting races. they could have implications coming up in the next majo election >> marisa park forest than you. just today after being discharged from the hospital pope francis was back in state peter square the pope presided over sunda mass for tens of thousands o catholic faithfuls he was bundled in a long white coat, battling a horse - princess was in the hospital for three days getting treatment for bronchitis after complaining about problems breathing. of course, - the big kasia stretch for th catholic church leading up t sunday still -- with the surprising, or mayb not so surprising, things they heard from trump supporters. at his waco rally. >> which you think are mor dangerous? drag shows organs. children >> track shows >> how many people do you thin have been killed by a drag show.

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trump indictment broke o thursday, our friends at the good liars knew exactly wher to head. >> we are here in front of trump tower the day after th indictment and there are massive protests let's go check it out. so, are you the only perso here >> i don't know. maybe. no, there is - impersonator but you know, it really doesn' matter to me because you know, -- >> yeah. it seems like it >> but everybody protest online >> i love to just look aroun

-- i have to be here somewhere. over there >> yeah. they expected to have a fe more people somewhere. maybe just out of sight. but they never materialized. that woman and the impostor. the good lawyers - don't need a last name anymore joining me now there is going to be one mor person there on tuesday. aside from me. -- but working. and that is going to b marjorie taylor greene she has already announced sh will be up there, she' encouraging other folks to join considering all the trum events that you have been to what are your expectations for tuesday? >> it is so hard to say. when we go to these events people care. people are fired up. they think this is unfair. this is targeting by the justice system they are angry about it. look at what we just played. one person took it upo

themselves to show up. so it can really be a very large spectrum i think there will be at least two people there jason and i may check it out just to see what is going on i really, you're guess is as good as mine these people are fired up bu when we walked by trump tower, nobody was there >> so jason, interestingly enough, you are at waco, texas's, for the rally jus last weekend there was four days afte donald trump says he will be indicted, five days before h actually got indicted. so, you guys had the opportunity to talk to som folks about a possible indictment and what that would look like to them. how would it affect donald trump -- support for them and all that. let's play a little bit of that then we will talk. >> he did have a chance. he is using politics as weapon it is all made up. >> it is all just a live

and just, people are jus lying. >> yes people are just lying. >> i think it is which an. like they say. >> if it was found that he did make that payment to storm daniels to cover it up, to try and influence the 2016 election, do you think he should b charged? >> no. i don't. because the time limits it - i will still vote the same way >> he called the georgia secretary of state to find 11,000 and 700 votes t overturn the state for the 202 election >> legal >> the fake slates of electors that trump and his associate decided to present to mike pence to overturn the election >> legal >> the hush payments to stormy daniels. >> that's between him an stormy daniels >> but are you worried for the rights of other peoples that have paid off porn stores? >> absolutely. >> jason, come on. >> that's an important issue for people

it affects maybe more people than we realize. >> i have to give that guy the benefit of the doubt maybe he didn't understand wha you said i mean, -- >> the it was the second time asked it he did understand. >> then the second woman, believe it was, this i something that i wonder, i trump supporters think these are lies or if they just don't care whatever it is,, truth rely, they just don't care >> yeah. i think it's a little bit of that also the message that donald trump has been putting forward is, this isn't about trump this is not about me it is about you. and you have seen don jr. twee that all the republicans, kari lake is tweeting at, if you pa off a porn star to influence a presidential election, i think you will be fine most of these trump supporters i don't think have paid of porn stars to support, t influence presidential elections. this guy seems to care about those people's rights. maybe there are more people ou there, we don't know

but this is the same party these are the same people that in 2016, at the r s c, wer chanting lock her up at hillar clinton. now they are all up in arm about somebody potentially being indicted from their ow party. so if i could give a message t the trump supporters out there it is not about you. this is about donald trump that is the message. please take that to her >> i'm not sure if they ar watching >> fair. fair >> you had some foresight as well, at the waco rally. i have to say, on a more serious note, quite honestly we are talking about wha happened in nashville, tennessee, and the schoo shooting there you had a conversation wit trump supporters about the dangers of drag shows versus school shootings that happened just a couple of days later in tennessee. that is banning drag shows o the tendency of children - that is a --

and then we will talk. >> which do you think are more dangerous, drag shows organs pill children. >> track shows >> how many people do you thin of been killed by a drag show? >> i don't know. but the long term effects ar detrimental. >> how many people do you thin die every year from guns >> i've no idea. >> 48,000. >> pretty at thousand? okay well, there are probably hundred thousand stuck fro fractures. >> jason >> yeah. i am not sure where he got those numbers. maybe it is the donald trump school of matt where he make things up to fit you narrative. whatever it is yeah, trump university exactly. but if you look at the numbers the leading cause of death for children in america's firearms that is a fact and the numbers on guns ar clear. guns kill people the thoughts and prayers, th last 25 years, from a public and leadership have done nothing to stop mass shootings

in the country and we, duggan i had firsthand experience in nashville. last weekend we went to a drag show there and we talk to some of the performers to see i this rhetoric has been affecting them in any way. and it has been. they have been receiving death threats. they were at a 21 and up sho and someone told them they wer going to bomb the show tha day. so, it was creating this typ of narrative, and this i definitely hurting people. >> yeah. jason, durham, thanks so muc so much. the ram, happy birthday to you thanks for spending your birthday, a couple of minutes, with us. -- leave it up. >> 22. >> sorry that's it for me everybody i will be back