and we, duggan i had firsthand experience in nashville. last weekend we went to a drag show there and we talk to some of the performers to see i this rhetoric has been affecting them in any way. and it has been. they have been receiving death threats. they were at a 21 and up sho and someone told them they wer going to bomb the show tha day. so, it was creating this typ of narrative, and this i definitely hurting people. >> yeah. jason, durham, thanks so muc so much. the ram, happy birthday to you thanks for spending your birthday, a couple of minutes, with us. -- leave it up. >> 22. >> sorry that's it for me everybody i will be back tomorrow from outside of the manhattan

courthouse, as well as tuesday for former president trump's arraignment from 10 am to noon you can also always catch me right here, saturdays on sundays, two to 4 pm eastern simone starts right now. >> greetings everyone, you are watching symone. on tuesday, we will find out the criminal charges against former president donald trump. today he walks into a manhatta courthouse to be fingerprinted and booked with the former district attorney of manhattan says t its -- from the prosecution and his advice for trump's attorneys say -- it is expanding. former arkansas governor h auctions in reveals he wil jump into the republican primary and who knows what senator joe manchin is up to you will dig into why he is no ruling out a run for president in 2024. and we'll be go beyond the ballot in idaho. it is taking its stric abortion ban a step further. it could become the first stat in the country to wait, fo

this, criminalize helping -- across state lines without parental consent we are talking to stat legislatures on both sides o the issue. i am simone sanders johnson. and i have something to say. >> buckle up folks the historic crimina indictment of the former president is beginning o tuesday, surrounded by rampe up security presence and i lower manhattan, forme president donald trump will be arraigned on what the cour administration's official tell us is about 30 counts relate to document fraud. that is one trump and the rest of us will find out exactl what the charges are after a month long investigation, le by district attorney alvin bragg. now, the case centers around alleged hush money payments to adult film actress storm

daniels, ahead of the 2016 election so what's next well, a lengthy trial. trump's former attorney and key witness the mastication, michael cohen, is expected t testify. but cohen has been plagued wit credibility issues after pleading guilty in 2018 -- covered in this very case. but before district attorney brag pursue this histori indictment, yet a presen assessor former manhattan distric attorney cy vance, who was investigating his payments a well vance met with cohen at leas eight times -- 2021 here is what the forme district attorney told m colleague, jen psaki, abou whether he would be comfortabl bringing cohen in front of a grand jury >> the issue is not whether would be comfortable the issue is whether the offic today is going to be comfortable. it appears that they absolutel are. as i've said, i think earlie today, obviously mr. cohen as witness will be attacked

he will be cross examined on his prior statements and his prior guilty plea. but that doesn't mean mr. cohe is not a witness who can't b believed i have tried many cases with witnesses with likely criminal records. and as long as there i evidence to support what h says, then juries, as they wil be instructed by the court, ar absolutely free to believe a witness, whether he or she has a criminal record or any other problem. >> here to respond is th attorney from michael cohen, lanny davis. good to see you, mr. davis you heard the former distric attorney's comments are just now. would you like to respond? >> yes i know mr. vance has a great deal of respect -- right on for leaving - in organized crime prosecutions, they only witnes against the mobs will be someone who has killed people. but i don't think that is th

real answer about michae cohen's credibility. let me give you a fact that is the best answer. the first is that michael cohe said before an obvious defense of millions in public, what did for donald trump and dirty deeds for ten years, i lied, i cheated and i did everything dirty for him. and then i decided, on july 2nd, 2018, to own what i did. i am ashamed of myself and now i want to speak trut to power and i want to put my family an my country first it is very rare for a witnes who has a lot of flaws, ha owned all that he has done inside from this point on will cooperate wit authorities. so seven congressional committees, grand jury testimony -- this is the real answer to credibility. >> what i hear you giving us i a forceful defense of mr cohen's credibility. so do you think, at this point it is unfounded for folks to question his credibility >> no. certainly not.

he did, he is the one harshest on himself, simone he says i am ashamed of myself i apologize. i am not going to defend myself, -- 40s for ten years. he said that in front of ten of millions of people on liv television so there is no denying that he was a liar and a cheat and did a lot of terrible things in th name of, and the instruction of, donald trump, according to federal prosecutors. that includes the hush money payment, federal prosecutors said donald trump directed him to do that now he went to jail for doin that and this was a terrible crime. they themselves described it a a campaign finance violation that mike pence hypocritically diminishes federal prosecutors have say that this is a crime tha imperils our democracy so when the republicans ar trying to politicize this by saying this is a political trial, you know who they are arguing with federal prosecutors in the trump administration

they said this crime of hush money is a serious crime tha imperils our democracy so every time you hear - >> this is not a federal cas at this point. i don't necessarily, i don't disagree with you -- >> excuse me for interruptin you. it is exactly the same crime with the same facts. one is a federal crime the other is a state crime and that is an issue they will tell you about when th indictment is unsealed but it is the same facts and the federal prosecutor said this crime, whether it is state or federal, impairs ou democracy, if you pay somebody not to disclose information, than the american people are entitled to know >> so has mr. cohen then bee asked to corroborate evidenc of any additional payments o potential crimes that were not previously public knowledge? >> yes and there is a second crim that he pled guilty to and that is a crime that involved a national enquirer paying -

$150, 000, mr. pecker received immunity by admitting he did that and this was in return for donald trump's commitment to repay that money michael cohen pled guilty to that crime, because he did the paperwork. so he was charged by the - district prosecutors for the two crimes and again, i just want t reiterate, these are serious crimes they are not just campaign finance violations it is called hush money to deprive the american people of whether it is karen mcdougal and donald trump directly with mr. pecker, and michael to the paperwork. but they are two crimes that a far as i know, at least on will be charged. the karen mcdougal crime tha michael pled guilty to, he wen to jewel in part for, we don't know whether this will be crime separately charged in th indictment >> all right lanny davis ladies and gentlemen, with a forceful and fiery defense o his client we will wait to see what these charges are on tuesday i am joined now by congressman benny thompson he is a democrat fro

mississippi. congressman thompson, was th chair of the january 6th selec committee, and he is currently the ranking member of th homeland security committee. chairman thompson, look, a overwhelming number of republican elected officials i this country, they really seem to be arguing that the simpl act of declaring once candidac for president actually exclude that person from being hel accountable by the crimina justice system what is your response to that? >> - no one is above the law. not even someone running for president of the united states the real danger is, i am hearing the same kind of rhetoric that created januar 6th right now, with th impending indictment of donald trump. i'm hearing lindsey graham say we should -- get cops in the face, i'

hearing marjorie taylor greene saying it being in new york on tuesday to rally the troop against this injustice all of that kind of rhetoric created -- on january 6th, and for some strange reason the republicans and congress don't get it. we had over 140 law enforcemen in the building her. we had five people lost thei lives. this kind of blanket - is very very dangerous because there are some peopl out here who shake them at their word >> so congressman, it is now reported that donald trump plans to address his supporter tuesday evening. i don't know who will be covering the address live, wha network, but he does plan to address the supporters does that rhetoric concern you are you concerned that tha

particular speech could in fac incite violence? >> well, there is no questio about it he is doing it, he i fundraising all for it, for my understanding, he has raised over $4 million since -- the upcoming indictment. but the real concern is ou separation of powers is bein tested in this moment, simpl because we are now, thes numbers of - republican members, are no going after a state official who is doing his official duty >> congressman, along thos lines, i want to play some sound for you. this is from judiciary committee jim jordan, he - oversight committee chair jame comer, they are abusing thei investigated power, one coul argue to intimidate alvin bragg, and to investigators

investigation. this is what jim jordan said this morning >> overall, it is ridiculous first of all, mr. bragg ha conceded that he used federa funds. we knew this grew out of the federal, the special counsel investigation, which is federa statute, and most importantl involves a federal election. here we are, as you indicate he is four months away from th debate in the primaries for th election, the most important office we have, president of the united states. and so it is ridiculous -- >> do you think congressman ji jordan's argument holds weight there? he is saying, he is usin federal dollars, that is wha gives his committee the licens to investigate >> your response >> my response is he i obstructing justice. by interfering with the -- of an elected state official clearly he is doing it at th behest of donald trump he is trying to create the illusion that what thi district attorney is doing i

not in his purview as district attorney that is crazy. if this became the standar with the hundreds of distric attorneys we have in the country, now we have relegated ourselves to telling them what they should and should not do, the grand jury process is process that is sacred, is a process that is privatized i terms of the information and w have to respect that process - to now assume that a distric attorney can't do their job, simply because of former president is the perso potentially tasked wit violating the law. he is not above the law. and -- >> - i want to switch, congressman, if i can, i would like t switch gears because there were deadl tornadoes that tore throug your home state of mississippi

in arkansas, other state within the south they caused massive, massive destruction. president biden and the firs lady, dr. biden, they were they toured the damage you were there when they toured could you just give us som insight, how our recover efforts going in mississippi and do you think you hav gotten enough from the federal government >> well, it is a work in progress i am in rolling fork mississippi, this evening. i've met with the mayor or - the county supervisors, an other citizens all out of th -- pull our communities together. it will be a daunting task it is an honorable community president is weaving the match requirement and making it 10 percent federal review a investigation in terms o helping. it helps our community everyone is satisfied, but t

be honest with you, simone, it will be years before rolling fork, other areas impacted b this storm, are made whole again. we are still importing water t the community, we have peopl living as far away as 50 miles from the impacted area so it is a real challenge. but let me say that th response from all around the country has been tremendous. fraternities, sororities, -- the devastation was absolutely massive sir. our hearts go out to the peopl of mississippi the community of rolling fork. folks throughout the south who have just really been ravage by the storms. congressman benny thompson, appreciate your time on this palm sunday sir. thank you. >> thank you >> coming up on simone, folks,

are going to take a closer loo at what comes next after the criminal charges against donald trump becom public how soon could the trial start and can donald trump's attorneys actually jam up th process with the tactics tha they've tried, delay tactics my legal panel will be here to break it all down. first, you know who's here my colleague, our bestie richard louis. today's other top stories. >> simone, good said 80. you more but what you're talking about. representative talk thompson right. now the death toll rising, unfortunately. at least 30 from a tornado outbreak and a dozen state including mississippi. as you are talking about it. the storms destroyed homes power lines, and an entire neighborhoods. president biden approvin disaster declaration for our concert this morning now, wisconsin voters, the head to the polls tuesday to elect their next supreme court justice. it's been called the mos consequential race of the year it's outcome all decide th balance of power in th critical battleground state. the court could weigh in o several politically-charge issues like abortion, voting

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indicted remember, he's also th republican front runner in the republican primary for president. while the timeline for potential trial is still unclear, there is a chance the jurors will be hearing testimony in manhattan at th same time as republican voters are casting their ballots an earn the nominee in context. politico is reporting that trump could try to push hi trial right into the heart o campaign season. i'm joined now by cynthia al's knee, she is a former federa prosecutor and an msnbc lega analyst. thank you for being here here is catherine christian, a former district attorney and manhattan. catherine, i want to start wit you. you heard lanny davis, i jus spoke to them, an attorney for michael cohen. you heard mr. vance who used t be your boss at when you're in the manhattan district attorney's office.

what is your response to his comments about michael cohen a >> if you are an experienced prosecutor, i was for 30 years i did international narcotic trafficking cases. you cannot do those case unless you get cooperators most of them are going to be people with criminal records who better than the criminal who worked with the criminal t be able to testify on behalf o the people because the way you bolster that person' credibility is you corroborate everything they say. so, you say yes he has a criminal record. when he said, x we showed you document that proved we ha another witness to prove that. mr. vance was right. he said that he is people ca records all the time it's us -- confessed to murdering over 12 people in the trial that convicted john gaudy it's just michael cohen, a

long as everything, both the exaction a corroborated, i should be. fine >> cynthia, manhattan da, former manhattan da, he gave a lot of comments. today he spoke to my colleague jen psaki. he was going to meet the press he said he's anticipatin something that's called speaking indictment to b revealed on tuesday at the arraignment. can you break down what speaking indictment is that's more information than just a list of, charges right? >> it's so classically you might see a list of charges, e next day that this happened. and then acted violation o this law you could see an indictmen like that. or you could see an indictment that tells a story that's what it means, it tells the story. it goes through this was a conspiracy this is what happened on the state. on this day trump made thi phone call on the state michael cohen mad this phone call. on the state, michael cohen an pecker had a conversation. they included it so, it tells the complet story. i would hope that we see that if not i would hope tha

we see some kind of statemen effect for the prosecutor to flesh out exactly what to th charges are. exactly with and i expect we will >> you expect we will. tuesday is the day catherine, you gave us a littl preview of what we might see from the trump legal team. you told political that ever single motion they can think up that's what they're going t file the article itself, th political article, is called the delay, delay, delay. can you just describe that legal strategy for us? it's something we've bee hearing. is this something that the trump team could be successful -- >> you know, to be clear, it's also a defense strategy fo every defendant. if you are an effective counsel, your job is to try to get that indictment dismissed you are going to file motion to get the indictmen dismissed. when it becomes a frivolous, the emotions, that's when it becomes the tactic they have statute of limitations arguments, the have the novel theory. that argument, they're going t move the venue everything they're going to try it. >> cynthia, again, this is jus

one of the crimina investigations of former president trump. what's happening here in manhattan. new york as we speak, actually donald trump's also the focu of the fulton county investigation into potential interference with georgia' election in 2020 do we know anything about th timing of that case? a nightmare that was eminent folks said, what's eminent i legal terms? >> an adjective poorly chosen. think about it like a snowball what's going on. here so, right now he's at the top of the mountain, he has little snowball, it's starting to roll down he can delay because that's the classic trump, it's the classic defens attorney thing the problem for donald, trum as he goes down the mountain with his little snowball there's the rape case this month, there is the dominion case which essentially i saying donald trump is a loser he lied to you that case is going to happen this month and now we're picking up som sticks and rocks in th snowball it's getting bigger. we've got the mar-a-lago cas

which according to the washington post is heating u and as more and more focused o obstruction according to their breaking news today. and fani willis use that agate yvette menands we may have that the snowball gets bigger and bigger while sometimes for a defendan just delay, i harry defense di tierney say a dead case is a good as a. and delay works for them it doesn't really work in this case for donald trump. there are so man investigations and cases pending. if you are smart, he would figure out a way to get this case out of the way so he ca deal with the rest that's not his dna my guess is the snowball jus gets bigger and bigger >> cynthia, as you are, saying catherine's here are sayin yes. you are agreeing something about the specia coastal who's continuing his investigation and. to january six and ramping up, lots of people being called to come in there, which - >> also in new york state.

quickly, which one of thes cases should worry donald trum the most >> it hasn't been indicted, th fulton county case in georgia. it's an election if aaron's. from what we read. it's a very strong case and it goes to what he did as presidents and it goes to th heart of the rule of law i'm not saying all of th others aren't important. that one seems pretty solid. it hasn't even been presente to the grand jury. >> we are going to have to leave it there cynthia, kathryn christian, thank you both very much for your insights. tonight, folks, if you wan more this conversation, don' you, worry we'll have more insight into what's happenin this upcoming week when ar velshi is leading specia coverage of the indictment o former president donald trump. i'll be joining ali as well as my colleagues reverend aisle sharpton and katie phang you must watch the special coverage tonight at 6 pm eastern only on msnbc. >> folks, today anothe republican -

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the leadership of our country. i am convinced that people wan leaders that appeal to the bes of america and not simpl appeal to our worst instincts. >> the republican presidential primary field is growing that's former arkansas governo age that has changed and he's the latest republican to announce his candidacy fo his party's nomination before he can face off against president biden in 2020, for president biden's expected runoff to beat out a roster of confirmed potential candidates that of course,, include forme president donald trump unlike many in his party hutchinson has been willing to speak out against the former presidents don't call in the moderate, at least that's what the democratic nationa committee highlighted in a statement today, dnc chairma jamie harrison wrote, quote, a governor hutchinson signed one of the strictest abortion bans in the country ripped health care away from thousands of arkansans and advocated for taking away th aca's protections for thos with pre-existing conditions he's just another extremis joining the efforts for th

maga base. what does my political panel think? how did this development chang the landscape of 24? let's ask them charles blow is a new york times columnist and msnb political analyst, forme republican congressman fro florida corolla's car bella, also an msnbc political analys as well. all right, folks, well congressman, what do you think of governor hutchinson's decision we surprised >> i'm not surprised you reall get the sense that maybe maybe a message like asa hutchinson' can breakthrough, maybe ther is 20 5:35 maybe even up to 40 of the republican electorate that decides enough of all o these controversies enough o all the scandals enough of the trump of the trump lik candidates the trump imitation candidates let's try something different. it's hopeful, thinking, it's not anything that anyone can guarantee at this point.

you really can't start to se it especially as people get tired of all these scandals. how this lane could widen little bit and become viable for someone like hutchinson. >> charles, useful i heard a statement from the dnc what do you think we can glean from it about how th democratic party apparatus plans to counter candidates wh aren't donald trump. >> the dnc is going to lum everyone into the trump basket and say they are all the same. pretty, much they are. there is some variation amon them none of them are really willin to break free of the trump policies hutchinson may say some things about not following trump al the way off the cliff. you know, he's not materiall different than donald trump on the policies what dnc does successfully i that comment, say he has som extreme views of his own on the merits, he doesn'

shine. he is in the back. stylistically, he's a -- doesn't shy. he's not charismatic there is no lane for asi henson as far as i can see t getting to this nomination particularly when there ar other more dynamic people wh are trying to do the sam thing. >> charles, i've been trying t hold it together this searing tape. this searing analysis of asi hutchinson from you. i mean, it just cut straight through the point. congressman, i, mean he, but look charles is making a point here when i think the reality is, asa hutchinson is in fact th former governor, the forme governors in fact republican right? he's a republican. as governor, espouse views and executed policies that was aligned with a number of piece of the republican part platform do you think that congressman, you know, asa hutchinson i maybe carving out a lane bette

than maybe someone like florid governor ron desantis. >> he is distinguishin himself. look, what i'm hearing is ahead jensen's vanilla that is true he is vanilla. he is not a super charismati candidate. he's not someone who's ver good at drawing a lot of attention to himself sometimes, the electorate is i the mood for vanilla a lot of people would clai that joe biden was the vanilla candidate in the las democratic primary and that's the mood that voter were in. asa hutchinson is certainl going to be able to create a contrast with donald trump whether that works or not, i mean, probably not if there is trump fatigue, i people, at any point hav enough of a scandal and want t focus on issues on the election, move into the world like tha hotel or sheds >> let me throw a wrench int this thing west virginia senator jo manchin, okay he has yet t rule out running against -

let's be clear we don't know what west virginia governor jo manchin -- we don't know who be running against biden for th nomination he could run for reelection. i want you to listen to what h told my colleague chuck -- >> when you're asking me wha i'm going to do with m political ambitions, to make the country work together an be a united states and not to divide. and that's what i've see happen over the period of time i'm going to do whatever i can to have a voice in that middle >> charles, we are at a time why, what's happening here >> republicans hate joe manchi just as much as democrats do i don't know what he's talking about. you sit on offense that's very uncomfortable for obviou reasons. and that's exactly what jo manchin finds himself. >> that sounds like a thir party candidacy to me. >> ladies and gentlemen, we ar at a time. i'm going to do an explanation for the folks at home next wee about why a third part candidates are nothing but a

pipe dream until people do the work charles blow and forme congressman carlos carmella, stick around we've got a little bit more to discuss. we have to unpack why ther just seems to be a theme for 2023 so. far it's called burnout. that's why i have my coffee. a new survey is capturing th mood among many women across the united states. they are suffering the effects of inflation, health, care the reality of a post-roe america. it could have majo implications for 2024. stick around this bed is dreamy. what about five star dining sets? you're kelly clarkson. i love your work. find just what you need at wayfair! even a personal sauna. ♪ wayfair, you've got just what i need ♪ >> woman: why did we choose safelite? we were loading our suv when... crack! safelite came right to us, and we could see exactly when they'd arrive with a replacement we could trust. that's service the way we want it. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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just two years that number could keep growing let me just tell you i at the beginning of th pandemic, congress bars they summon forcing roles tha required medicaid recipients to, regularly prove thei eligibility for the program. yesterday that expired five states have already started kicking medicaid recipient is deemed ineligible off their roles. nearly all of the states wil finish that process by the end of july. when it's all said and, done 1 million people are expected to lose coverage. that's according to the kaiser family foundation. that 15 million, georgetown -- at leave 6.7 million childre could lose their healt coverage this is the first your hearing of, this you can absolutely be sure that there are countles burned out mothers who haven't had to reapply for medicaid in three years who are just finding out they're no longe enrolled charles blow and forme congressman carlos curbelo bac with me now. what does it say about how our government understands -

>> you know, i think tha everyone is suffering after th pandemic with the effects of the pandemic women are particularly hard hi by this both in the job market and at home. those who have children and ho that ripples through their decision-making about whethe or not they can seek a job o for daycare. whether or not they can send their kids to school or not. all of these decisions are landing more heavily on wome then on. i think it's wise to say to th viewers at this cuts both. why is the republicans are arming this arguments on their side on the right side of the equation saying joe biden hasn't done anything democrats are looking at i from the inverse and saying, you know, we saw what direct government aid did to help you and your children. that's what democrats can do for you. and we can help to expand th affordable care acts that can get more health care.

those are, that's how th battles being set up it will be interesting to se how that plays out who wins in that tug-of-war. >> congressman, what are you thoughts on. this i think charles is right. frankly, we often hear a lot o republican candidates an elected officials talking on protecting women when it comes to kicking trans people off of sports teams the stats say that women are facing economic health car woes how are republicans going to d something about that >> well, yeah, i think bot parties are trying to appeal t so many women who ar frustrated with the economy. who feel like they can't get ahead. who feel a heavy burden now, more than before the pandemic. certainly, republicans are trying to use the educatio issue to talk about school choice and to reach thos women. the big problem,, simone tha republicans have is that donal trump is such a distraction. i, mean we saw so many women i the 22 elections in the string

states and districts punis republican candidates becaus they were so associate with. trump thing about, it make sense, they are struggling the are having a tough time. they feel a heavier burden every day. and all they read about in the news is donald trump and his scandals and his vendettas his efforts to instigate peopl in this country. it just doesn't connect with women. it turns them off. so, republicans are trying t reach women on issues like education. energy affordability when donald trump legally th headlines every, day it's very difficult. it really does turn of especially a lot of those wome who are swing voters >> i just thought abou something. my husband often, says you hav to pick your battles i feel like some of th republican battles need to pic their battles and maybe le donald trump go he's not helping. former congressman carmelo thank you so much. >> folks, the spotlight is actually on idaho. let me tell you. why it could become the firs

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effectively it bans abortion i all stages of pregnancy. idaho is poised to become th first in the country t restrict minors from traveling across state lines for legal abortions elsewhere. under legislation that passe through the state house an senate last week, any adul that accompanies a minor t another state to an abortion without a parents consent ca face up to five years in prison oregon and washington state, which border, idaho do allow minors to get abortions withou their parents consent. i am joined now by republica state representative out o idaho barbara e. hart. state representative-y heart you cosponsored this bill. why do you think idaho shoul have jurisdiction over wha takes place in other states? >> well first thank you fo having me on and giving me the opportunity to share our site. let me be clear, this is a parental rights, piece legislation and we do not thin we have jurisdiction and tha which occurs in other states

a parent does have jurisdictio over their child that's the part we're lookin to protect as, apparent that parent, make no mistake about, it tha parent has every right to be able to take their child acros the state. washington and oregon and they can take their child there t get an abortion. they can see their authority t their grandparents to go get an abortion. short of having parents consent, you can't take the child acros the line to get an abortion. >> when you are crafting this, bill did you consider an scenarios where the parent i the reason that the minor is pregnant the parent was aware of th boost that was happening to th young person didn't do anything about it. they then cannot get - they're not going to giv consent for an abortion. >> thank, you yes, we did. as, you know idaho already had

the trigger law. as many other states, when roe wade was abolished, there was trigger law that went into effect part of the trigger law ha very explicit language tha allows for the exception o rape air and sexist. now, in order for that t essentially take place, you do have to report it. as with any of these - they are experiencing rape o incest which is terrible, if you're the person helping that child your first instinct and, but hey, let's go across the border and get an abortion your first and shanks should b take that child. take them to the police. get a report what are you going to do after the? abortion take them and put the in the same situation? -- i want to also ask you about another piece of thi legislation. it actually says that fetuse family - fetuses in the bill could su

for up to $20,000 pe violation. talk to me briefly about how this piece was decided on. >> there's been conflation keep in mind the abortio trafficking which you've bee asking me is sectionsh 6 to 3 the section which you just asked is 18 dash 8807. that section had to deal wit the heartbeat law. while we were crafting the abortion trafficking we were trying to fix a few pieces i the language the part you just asked me about has absolutely nothing t do with the abortion trafficking. it can be confusing for people >> we're out of time i just want to be clear. i guess i'm not. under any piece of legislation currently and idaho, there i no thing that says famil

members are suing and can be awarded up to $20,000 pe violation. that's not true? >> that has nothing to do with the trafficking of a minor across the lines but that is true they have something happened to our current laws with roe and wade and we had t go back to the heartbeat that all had to do with th heartbeat so, should we find ourselves back in a situatio where something else happene with roe and wade. we would go back to it >> i think i am still confused i think i've got it straight state representative barbree heart. thank you very much. i want to go now to the idah state representative laure necochea a democrat and minority leader in the idaho house can you respond to what we jus heard from state representativ e heart. i do think we need -

>> yes, simone, thank you fo having me and shining a ligh on the situation and idaho the extreme abortion bans. these 25,000 dollar cash awards these bounties that family members can sue providers for. it's still in effect they were put into law as workaround around roe v. wade. they are still there representative e hearts firs version of the bill actually strengthens the penalties. it made them harsher for providers saying those cas flows have to come out of th doctor's pockets not medical insurance. it's something on the book right now in idaho okay now on the case of this hous bill 2:42, the supreme court's job decision and my reading, i seems to provide folks and idaho a pretty strong roadma

on how to challenge this peculiar legislation if th governor signs it. i want to put it up on the screen what cabinet. road it said may a state bar the -- from another state to obtain a abortion in my view, the answer is no based on the constitutiona right to travel. if the governor signs this bill, do you know of any movement to challenge this bill once i becomes law? >> i expect a swift lega challenges it's on shaky grounds. trying to build a wall aroun idaho and prevent minors anywa they think they can from leaving the state. they are doing that to force them to bring unwanted pregnancies to term. >> we're going to have to leav it there laura nakato, thank yo very much for your time. thank you at home folks ar watching symone on this sunday we covered a lot of ground i am symone sanders-townsend i'll be back at 6 pm eastern along with ali velshi, katie fang jonathan capehart and the

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