manhattan, and we have seen security ramp up even more so and police installing barricades as protests for and against the former president continues, and marjorie taylor greene was here for just a couple minutes and george santos, as well, working their way through the crowd. >> we expect to learn what charges and how many charges trump faces in a case centering around the hush-money payment to stormy daniels, and we expect to see something we have never seen in 240 years of american history, a photo of an american president in court and under arrest thank you for being with us for our second hour of special coverage, and i am lindsey reiser alongside josé

diaz-balart, and there are many people out there, including george santos, and marjorie taylor greene who per your reporting last hour showed up for a couple minutes surrounded by a lot of press. >> reporter: i was on camera with you guys and her suv pulled up and she was literally incased in press as they followed her into the park. i couldn't make a guess of how many folks were there. she was in the park for maybe five or ten minutes or so and then exited the park after a lot of commotion inside the park george santos was here as well and he was run out of the park we are three hours away from the beginning of the arraignment, about 2:15 eastern time, and we are expecting the former president at the united states to leave his residence, trump

tower, and likely to leave around 1:00 or 1:30. he will have security with him as he makes his way down here. more barricades behind me beginning to go up as i take a look behind me, you see all of the barricades were recently put in place, and more security in place as well, and then behind them barricades as well hogan place, that is the street directly behind me that's where the former president is going to be making his way into this building right here on my right, about halfway down the block so we will wait to see that there. initially we thought they would erect tents there, but there are no tents in place and it's likely we will see some portion of the president or his motorcade entering that area with us to talk about this and the expectations of the day as it plays out, msnbc

correspondent, gabe gutierrez, and ron allen, and katie sang, attorney and host, and a former assistant d.a. in the manhattan disstrict attorney's office as well, and knows the players inside and out happy to have you with us. three hours from now we are likely going to be seeing the former president of the united states unbelievable to say, right >> unbelievable. >> to walk in that building behind me for his arraignment. what do we know? >> what you said is right, what a spectacle this has been so far. the two members of congress were here about five minutes, and congressman santos even less than marjorie taylor greene, and he seemed to cause a spectacle and leave. now in a few hours the focus will be back in the building behind us, and the arraignment

set for 2:15 eastern time. overnight we learned some of the specifics about how it's going to look, what the public will be able to see, and the judge in the case ruling there will not be video cameras in court but for a brief time there will be still cameras to be able to take still pictures, and there are cameras outside the courtroom, and it's unclear potentially the former president might make a statement before he heads in, and that could be the first indication we get as he goes in. before that we expect the former president to show up here. you see, as you mentioned, the streets are blocked off. after being here for several weeks, this is by far the most security and attention we have seen placed here, not just the security barricades or the assembled press, which there are certainly many of them, but a lot of new york police officers. a lot of attention here as the arraignment hour draws closer.

there's so many people from all over the world, not so much protesters, but nothing like the extremely chaotic scene the nypd was on high alert for. >> i want to go to ron in the park where the protests have been happening i was watching marjorie taylor greene make her way into the park and then exited a couple minutes later. take us there, what you have been seeing in the park and why she left so quickly. >> reporter: we did not see her come into the park because it's an inclosed area, and it looked like she decided to go down a side street next to the park, which is a wider area, and that's where it looked like she made her comments. the park is just pandemonium the volume has gotten really loud in the last hour or so and that's the heart of it right there, where you have people on this side of the fence who are for president trump and people on the other side who are

against him, and they are yelling and screaming at each other back and forth, and it's getting louder and louder. you can see there are police officers walking through the middle of it there have been no arrests or signs of any disorder, but when you talk to the trump people, they echo the things the president has said about how he can't get a fair trial, how this is a democratic city and they think they are here to support him. on the other side, of course, they think that an indictment is long overdue in addition to the republican officials that have shown up here, george santos as well as marjorie taylor greene, and on the other side there are a number of democratic politicians from new york who are here to show support for bragg, who received a number of death threats, and they are here to uphold the honor of the new york justice system. it's getting louder and louder

if you pan this way, you see a lot of trump supporters, and behind that is the street where trump will arrive, and where you are, that gives a sense of context and a vantage point. it's getting louder and louder a lot of media, protesters, and a lot of people that work here that are curious of what is going on it's a beautiful day, and quite a spectacle here in new york city >> what is donald trump going to be experiencing when he walks into that building, the d.a.'s office >> first, i am looking at that and i am shocked i was there for over 30 years, and never saw a scene like that. >> in 30 years >> in 30 years i am think about my caolleagues who are still down there and probably took the day off, and never saw it in 30 years, and even on 9/11, there were a lot of people and it was eerie

because of the barricades and security, and in 30 years, i have never seen that what will he expect? he will be surrounded by secret service, and he will go into 1 hogan place, which is one of the buildings you see there. i understand he will not be handcuffed and they will not take an arrest photo he will be brought up to the 15th floor where judge merchan's courtroom is the inside security will be court officers and the outside will be nypd at that time it will be just like he's not, you know, the former president of the united states, except he is, and i appreciate that. the arraignment, if it goes

proforma, that will occur when the prosecutor is told please file and serve a copy of the indictment she or he will file that with the court and hand over the copies of the indictment to the defense attorneys. he will be formerly arraigned and assuming his attorneys decide not to give a big speech, they will request an adjournment so they can file motions -- >> how long does that process normally take? >> less than five minutes. less than five minutes it's very quick. any drama that will happen will happen outside of the courtroom. i can't imagine, even though it's donald trump, that he will speak. 99.9% of the defendants say absolutely nothing the only ones that speak are the ones that have issues and outbursts, so -- he won't speak. it will be his attorneys speaking it will be less than five minutes. >> as we continue to watch the live pictures, they are playing out here outside the courthouse. this is a complex case, and

given the nature of the case and who the defendant is, are you expecting a long detailed charging document, or are you expecting more of something like a speaking document, like a bare bones document >> normally you can see an indictment, a narrative, a story provided by the prosecutor to explain the facts, how did we get here there are media reports that there are 34 felonies in the indictment, and we don't know what they are and will have to wait until the afternoon we have seen the players, and in this instance, once this indictment is unsealed we will be able to see the specific statutes in the state of new york that bragg has alleged to have been violated by donald trump, and most importantly, what is the second crime, what

is the second offense that is kicking it up to being a felony? that's what we are waiting to see, is it a campaign finance violation? what is it kicking it up to be a felony violation >> thank you there's a lot more we need to be conversing about we are covering every angle of former president trump's arraignment, including the judge that already presided over his company's tax fraud. we are going to talk to former new york mayor, bill de blasio, in just 60 secdson ast using the services you want in the clouds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation

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it's 12 past the hour right now. we are awaiting donald trump's departure from trump tower to face his arraignment secret service, local law enforcement and other agencies have been appearing for trump's appearance today, including having trump enter and exit the building that shields him from public view. joining us is the former mayor of new york city, bill de blasio >> thank you >> clearly new york city has experience in dealing with big names coming to town, but what kind of planning goes on with something like this? >> it takes me back to when we had the pope coming and then 170 world leaders coming, and i was blown away by how thorough and how careful and experienced they are, and they work with the secret service all the time, of course new york city, in terms of

security apparatus, is 100% ready. the people of new york city, we don't get thrown by this kind of thing. i got to tell you, i know in my heart that, god forbid, the call for the january 6th protests had been here, you would never have seen anything like what you saw in washington, d.c the nypd never would have allowed that to get out of hand and they will not allow it to get out of hand today. >> everything, though, today is unprecedented. when we are talking about what we are seeing, the barricades and the street closures and spectators if it was any other former president -- obviously, this is a hypothetical, would they face the same security response level, or because of his past. >> absolutely he's singular, and the passions he ignites on both

sides. 50 years ago, richard nixon would have faced numerous criminal charges for what he did in watergate, but it would never have been the same emotion i agree with you what is scary here is when trump tells people in one form or another to be violent, some people are listening to that with no filter the nypd takes domestic terrorism seriously, and we drilled for that for years when i was mayor. we saw the right wing extremism rising, and that's the fear today that somebody feels they are accepting an order from their commander and try something, but i assure you nypd is ready for that, and there's security you can see and there's a lot of security you can't see. >> mayor, thank you for being with us here sorry, can't be with you on set. first and foremost, your reaction that new york city is

the focus of the trial that will ensue the timing of that, and when you were mayor, the black lives matter protests were ongoing in the city, and there were missteps by the nypd themselves what do you make of that and how do you avoid something like that going down over the next 24 or so as we have protests here in lower manhattan? >> on the first point, i feel there's a form of justice here that the place where donald trump is being held accountable is the place he evaded accountability many times before new york authorities were on to a number of other issues of donald trump as a private citizen for decades and never followed through, and bluntly, his power and wealth and connections probably had something to do with that. there's something powerful about being called to question in his hometown

and alvin bragg is the only one that got something together, and i give him a lot of respect for that on the second point, look, definitely in 2020 there were a lot of lessons learned and things that needed to be done better i have been very honest about that i think that has formed the approach to protests since then. one thing in 2021 we struggled with, protests all over the city with no formal organization constantly changing, this is not that, and this is a clear focal pointed and the nypd will address that >> thank you for joining us. we appreciate your time. he presided over the tax fraud trial, and who is judge juan merchan we will take a closer look when our special coverage continues you're doing business

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22 past the hour we are learning more at the other man at the center of trump's indictment, the judge assigned to the case juan merchan, an immigrant who put himself through lawsuit and spent 16 years on the bench and he puts on his robe today to preside over an arrangement like none other trump said the judge was handpicked by bragg. and we are joined by intelligence reporter, ken

how did the judge end up assigned to this case? >> a court spokeswoman said he got this case because he was assigned at random to over see the grand jury that indicted him. he is serious, smart and even tempered and brings to the job a set of life experiences much different than those of the defendant set to be arraignment before him today he was born in columbia, and moved to the united states when he was six and grew up in queens he got his first job carrying groceries for tips when he was nine years old he earned his way through college, and became a prosecutor in the manhattan d.a.'s office and later the state attorney general's office, and then bloomberg appointed him to the family court bench in 2006 and he was named a felony judge three years later. he is known as a judge that treats witnesses and defendants

with grace and respect, and he's a listener and a man that keeps his word even some of donald trump's own lawyers praised judge merchan. judge merchan accepted one plea deal from a woman but chided her for bringing her 9-year-old daughter to the sentencing one manhattan d.a. said he reads every word on every page of every filing, which one would hope for from a judge. what do you know about him >> i think donald trump should listen to his attorneys, and there's a reason why his attorneys have not trashed him because he's a smart, fair and

impartial judge. donald trump should be happy he has judge merchan. he doesn't hate him. i don't know what those comments were about his reputation -- on both sides, when you have defense attorneys and prosecutors praising a judge, that's a darn good judge. >> katharine, the former president tweeting out that he thinks that judge merchan should recuse himself because he over saw the criminal trial of alan weisselberg. is there any reason for the judge to recuse himself from this trial >> that request will be denied if during the trial judge merchan said derogatory comments about mr. trump or appeared to be bias against trump, which he did not, then maybe you would have an argument but in that trial he was fair and impartial, and the words donald trump and anything

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welcome back, everybody. it's 30 past the hour here in lower manhattan. marjorie taylor greene seen here getting back in an suv after a brief appearance at one of the demonstrations here. a show of support for the former president, and we heard from a congressman that spoke out against her visit. >> do your freakin' job, marjorie taylor greene go back to your district what are you doing here? you are here for politics? you here because you want to be vp you are here for your own fundraising and for your own nonsense >> obviously a lot of commotion and lots of back and forth

happening here on the ground let's bring in our news correspondent joining us from palm beach, florida. and we also have a msnbc political analyst joining us vaughn, what are we expecting this evening upon his attorney >> he will be landing here, coming back to mar-a-lago, right back where he made his 2024 speech marjorie taylor greene is on her way to travel down here to florida to join alongside the former president and the leading 2024 presidential contender. she was on a right-wing outlet that plays donald trump's rallies in full and is a pro

trump outlet she says, quote, trump is joining some of the most incredible people in history being arrested today nelson mandela was arrested and served time in prison. jesus, jesus was arrested and murdered when we are talking about the construct built-up around this particular indictment, we should expect to see not only his campaign but his allies hold donald trump as a martyr here. ultimately it will be up to a jury to determine if he's guilty on these charges or not, but on the indictment alone, you are seeing donald trump held up as a sympathetic figure and forcing the hands of other republicans, including even ron desantis, the florida governor that suggested last week if donald trump were to refuse to go to new york for his arrest he would not agree to extradite him. for donald trump it's about using this arrest and moment for his own political capital as he

is trying to mount a bid to take over the white house in 2024 >> political capital is one thing, and other capital, the trump team said they raised $7 million in the past 24 hours or so what is trump's message going to be here tonight? >> i think he will articulate what he has been saying the last few days, this is a witch hunt, in his words i can expect, i think we should expect him to attack the district attorney as well as the judge in this case, and the judicial process overall all as a way to use this arraignment, these criminal charges to galvanize support behind his presidential campaign >> phil, we know the trump campaign will be hoping to garner support from not only their camp loyalist but also

independents that think the president is being targeted here how will they do that? >> they will, just, again, repeat these messages. it appears to be having a galvanizing affect among republican voters, and we are seeing trump's support with republicans growing, and kaution viewers from reading too much into that. his main competitor, desantis, is not a declared candidate, and there's a long way between now and when republican voters actually start to choose their nominee next year. >> phil, vaughn, if you would stand by i want to bring you in >> marjorie taylor greene is not on her way to mar-a-lago just yet, and we had a interview in the backseat of her suv, and she

told me she expected to see the kind of mob of protests and counterprotests we had here today. it's not unusual for any event involving donald trump she really continued to hammer away at the idea that it's alvin bragg, the d.a., is making a political mistake by choosing to go after donald trump instead of the crime issues that may exist in new york city here's some of what she told me, and we'll put it into more context on the other side. >> this is a witch hunt. if alvin bragg was interested in charging people will crime, he would be charging crimes that happen every day here in manhattan. crime is up 22% here in manhattan. the taxpayers that pay for his salary and his entire office and everybody there, they are victims of crime every day in manhattan, real crimes this is a political witch hunt everybody knows it and sees it for what it is, and the democrats are destroying themselves in the process,

perverting our justice system. >> reporter: we went back and forth for a little while on the po points, and one political part of this that she speaks to that is true, alvin bragg will have to defend whatever happens today in the future with new york voters the case that donald trump is going to have to make, and we talked about this more in the interview, and if he carries an indictment from other counties into the election, and she argues, yes, a lot of other republicans would argue, no, at a time when they see joe biden as vulnerable on any other issues, when you are talking about hush-money payments and strippers and all that kind of thing, and if you can make the political argument, it's the wrong argument to be making to

the voters that will vote for president. >> i am wondering what we are going to hear from the d.a. later on after this arraignment, if that's going to be the beginning of the defense, right, of the indictments that's a wait and see scenario >> yeah, it's true, everything about this is at least a little political. it can be a legal case -- >> he's the former president of the united states. >> yeah, the d.a. will have to make the case to voters that this was the best use of his office's time and resources, and you can do multiple things at the same time, and that's the reality of this. >> and why he chose to make it a felony as well, if that's what he has chosen to do. thank you for bringing us that interview that you said was one of the more difficult ones >> thank you before we go, i did mistake earlier, and i said pence was

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unrest joining us is kristen welker kayla, what can you tell us about the white house's plans today as trump heads to court? >> well, they are celebrating the succession of finland, and holding a daily press briefing, and he will host advisers on scien science technology and innovation this afternoon. don't expect the president to wait until this debate, and the president up to this point has refrained from commenting and the white house saying it's a no-win situation for the president to do so the president is hoping actions speak louder than words. he's in the midst of a tour touting his own achievements,

and that's all ahead of what could be a rematch of the 2020 el election in a few months guys >> so president biden is not weighing in, but republicans are and you have new reporting on that what are they saying >> it's extraordinary. we have seen republican rivals of former president donald trump close ranks around him in this indictment, trying to paint this as a political prosecution one gop operative said it's like -- >> oh -- >> yes >> look at what happened in 2016 when the former president, then candidate's rivals were afraid to lay a glove on him until late in the process, and at that point it was too late, he had already run away with it there are discussions going on

inside gop circles about how to sharpen the tone from some of his potential rivals in terms of a timeline could we see this during the debates? that's going to be an opportunity for some of the candidates to define themselves more clearly and take the gloves off a little bit as you know, going after trump is risky, and his poll numbers only increased in recent days. there's no guarantee this will happen, but it's a distinct possibility, again, because of 2016, there's a lot of concern about repeating those perceived mistakes of the past you will see them make the argument that in a general, he holds a lot of baggage, particularly if we see more indictments, they will try and make the case that he just has too much baggage to be an election candidate >> we have no idea what things will look like, josé, inside of a year from now. >> thank you i want to continue our

conversation and bring in a democratic congressman from california, a member of the house oversight committee. appreciate your time what is your response to the president's comments surrounding this case? >> josé, i agree with the president that the law enforcement process will play itself out i have faith in that i hope we don't make the same mistake in 2016 where we just start covering trump's trial and trump's scandals and we focus still on the school shootings in tennessee and the president's message of bringing manufacturing jobs back and lowering prices, and that's what the american people want to talk about. i fear if this becomes a trump spectacle 24/7 on cable news, he will benefit the same way he did in 2016. >> congressman, i do want to talk about what is happening behind me, because the manhattan d.a., alvin bragg, dismissing

questions from your colleagues seeking more information about the investigation. it seems like where the republicans in the house are committed to interviewing and seeking testimony from folks like the manhattan d.a. along with, of course, folks inside the biden administration >> that's going to back fire on my colleagues on the oversight committee. my seven years in congress i never once spoke out about what the local district attorney in my district should do, whether he should charge somebody, not charge somebody on a case. members of congress should not be commenting or interfering in the legal process and let it play out if the former president is not guilty, i have faith in the process that the judge, the jury, that process will play out. i guess if you believe in the american judicial process, let it play out. members of congress don't add anything by intervening. >> congressman, the process may play out with this request

itself, which the d.a.'s office has called it an unprecedented inquiry into a local prosecution. are you concerned, in, in fact, we do get to the point where alvin bragg is spelled to testify that it sets a press department neither political party would want >> i am concerned that congress could try to influence any prosecutor, whether that's a d.a., whether that's a u.s. attorney that should be a separate branch of government. we learned this in elementary school, there are three separate branches of government, you have congress that makes the laws, and you have the president and executives that enforce it and then a separate judicial branch and let them be separate the process -- i believe in the process, i believe the president is -- so far he is complying with the process, and he will get to make his case, his lawyers will make their case and i believe justice will be

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for our history. i think it's really important to understand that what's happening today is very much in line with what the founders envisioned so they had provisions for impeachment for dealing with crimes that were commitedted bya president in office. they very much believed that because we don't have a king in this country that when you leave office, you are subject to the law like any other person. in the constitution, they have these provisions for fair trials, for the right against self-incrimination so donald trump can exercise his fifth amendment privilege if he wants. there's nothing in there that says, you are not supposed to prosecute somebody after they leave office if you have

indications that crimes have been committed so for the republicans to say that this is somehow this crazy thing that we are interfering in a presidential election, we should let the people decide, not have the courts decide, that's the unamerican argument all over this country for decades, literally hundreds of years, local prosecutors have gone after politicians who are seeking re-election or even in public office for crimes they believe may have been committed. so what alvin bragg is doing is very, very much in the american tradition. >> jonathan, there have been times in which presidents have come close to this moment. some in recent history how do you reflect on this moment and its impact? >> so probably the best

comparison would be former president nixon who in 1974, after he resigned office, was under criminal prosecution his successor, president gerald ford, pardoned him that was very controversial at the time and has continued to be controversial. that was a decision that was within the power of the president. i don't think anybody is expecting, you know, any kind of -- first of all, these are local crimes so president biden's pardon power wouldn't even be applicable here. i think the larger point in recognizing the history making nature of this is that this is just the american system working as it was intended to work, which is to give the defendant

the presumption of innocence, to give him a fair trial, and to let justice proceed without any intervention from another branch the people who are really out of order here are the members of congress who think it's somehow their role to intrude on this local prosecution. >> jonathan alter, thank you so much appreciate it. seven years in the making when the alleged hush money payment was initially made i think we're going to remember where we were at the moment in which you saw the former president of the united states, donald trump, walking into that courtroom behind me, which is happening in about two hours or so after he makes his way from trump tower on the upper east side on fifth avenue the press here, it's unbelievable i'm sure around the world folks are going to wake up tomorrow morning with a picture of the former president of the united states on the front cover of

their local newspaper. halfway down the block behind me, the former president will enter that building at his arraignment. we will be waiting here as that happens. of course, the release of the indictment as well, which we will be reading through in real time it's an unbelievable day in this nation's history. >> the eyes of the world are on this, and everyone having a different perspective of what we are living through that wraps up the hour for us. up next, don't miss chris jansing and andrea mitchell. thank you for the privilege of your time. our special team coverage continues right now. good day i'm andrea mitchel