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that does it for us here on the beat with ari melber joy reid picks it up next. ♪ tonight on "the reidout" -- >> under new york state law, it is a felony to falsify business records with intent to defraud and intent to conceal another crime. >> my lawyers came to me and said there's nothing here. they're not saying what you did. >> the defendant repeatedly made false statements on new york business records he also caused others to make false statements >> trump is still lying as local prosecutors pursue criminal charges against him doing the work that the doj should have been doing all along. despite warnings to refrain from inciting violence, trump is still attacking d.a. bragg

the judge juan merchan and their families big breakthrough in wisconsin. but the challenge to democracy remains very real with republicans pushing minority rule ♪ and we begin with defendant donald j. trump, back at his mar-a-lago home after facing his first taste of the criminal justice system and the first american president to be charged with a crime and yet, when it came to holding trump accountable for his crimes against the country, like using his tiny fingers to tip the scales of our federal elections, it was not the department of justice that brought these charges but rather a local prosecutor in the state of new york and manhattan district attorney alvin bragg is not alone in georgia fulton county d.a. fani willis is said to be getting closer on whether to charge trump with his decision to tamper with the 2020 election somehow it's falling on these two local prosecutors to redeem

the soul of america as it pertains to donald trump and his willingness to cheat the system to try to win re-election. in doing so, they are bearing the brunt of that heavy lift the security risk, the risk their reputation and they're doing this despite the fact that it is the literal job of our federal government to protect our federal elections. and, yes, the doj is investigating trump through its special counsel over his mishandling of the classified documents and the events surrounding january 6th, but not this remember, it was the southern district of new york that investigated and ultimately convicted trump's former fixer michael cohen in part for violating campaign contribution laws pertaining to this very case at the direction of individual one, aka, donald trump. it is not surprising that former manhattan d.a.-cy vance said over the weekend that it was trump's department of justice under attorney general william barr that asked his office to stand down in its investigation

of the hush money payment at that time. but why is it that when attorney general merrick garland took the rains as the doj that the sdny didn't continue its investigation? it speaks to how the political doj has become when i say political, i do not mean that in a partisan sense but rather in a sense they do seem to be acting with the political risks in mind. because there really was no reason for the southern district of new york to not pursue this case trump was out of office. he was not a candidate, just a u.s. citizen like you or me. the only reason not to pursue it, as i can see it, was some reticence on their part to pursue trump in particular and it is hard to argue that that would have been the case with any other former politician and that brings us to where we are today. where it has been left to local prosecutors to pick up the pieces of the case doing what the doj and the sndy should have done from the start.

joining me now is andrew weissman, former fbi general counsel and former senior member of the mueller probe andrew, it's so great to see you in person. >> yes. >> so, last night when we were on our big set and all together talking about this case, my good friend lawrence o'donnell, he brought up a possibility of one reason why the doj let it go and it was that michael cohen had refused to do a full proffer of everything he had every done in his life which would be the normal course, give us all your potential crimes he presented that to michael cohen's attorney, lanny davis. let me play you lanny davis's answer last night on "the last word". why did merrick garland asking me not proceed when something called january 6th occurred, the inauguration occurred and merrick garland probably made a practical judgment, not necessarily one that i would applaud, not to look back and prosecute donald trump who had just left office

probably he made the judgment we have better things to do, but that's a second guess we all can make about merrick garland >> does that track to you? >> no, it doesn't track. really important and terrific topic. everyone knows what happened with barr. that's easy. you know that he -- talk about plittization, this is my guy hands off. just killed the case i think -- i want to give one benefit, though, even though it is totally unfair that the states are -- sort of carrying this burden, as you said which is if there were to be a republican president again, these state charges in georgia and in manhattan, they stick because the federal pardon cannot affect them so -- >> that's a good point. >> that doesn't really totally address your issue, which is why there was a dereliction of duty. there's this unintended benefit which is that the states are going forward and you have georgia and new york

they will actually stay. >> yeah. >> but that doesn't really -- i can't imagine that was the thinking of merrick garland. which is we're not going to do this because i want to sort of have the state piece of it the reason i don't think that it totally tracks is if you look at the department of justice and what they were doing on the january 6th case before the actual january 6th committee hearings, there was very little movement in terms of looking at the white house. there was a ton of action with respect to the people who actually attacked the capitol, but if you look at what merrick garland was doing, it's not like labny davis' point, oh, he was busy looking at the white house in connection with january 6th so there's only so much they can do >> yeah. >> just first of all, it's a very large department. they can actually do both. >> multiple things, yeah. >> they really weren't pursuing donald trump in any form until they were sort of, my view, sort of embarrassed and given cover by the january 6th committee to

say, look, what on god's green earth are you doing? you had many people on the committee who were very angry, people former prosecutors on that committee all saying what is happening because they had never seen a situation where congress was out ahead of the department of justice. so, i think the best that can be said for merrick garland, he was thinking, it will look like we're politicizing the department of justice if we do this. >> right. >> when your point, which i think is the right one, which is by not doing it, you are actually politicizing the doj because you're taking that into account. >> yeah. >> and i think the better course is to actually -- is what we were told when i was trained as a young lawyer, you know what, do the right thing and you'll know in your heart that's the right thing to do. you know what, people on the left and the right and the middle might criticize you, but that's what comes with the job i remember when i was at the fbi, director mueller said, you are always going to be criticized, no matter what we're doing. so let's stick to our guns and do the right thing. >> yeah. >> i think it was probably the

wrong judgment i do think that jack smith now is where he needs to be. and by all accounts going forward. but that time delay, we're all looking at the clock right now there is going to be an issue because those charges -- if they are brought, it's not going to be for some time. >> that's right. >> we're all sitting there thinking is there going to be a trial before the election or is all of this going to be for not at the federal level because these were brought too late. >> and i think even the appointment of jack smith, which to me felt like i need to put some distance. right? the doj itself, to me, as an outsider looking in, should have had within it the capability of doing this investigation without adding this layer in between when you add the layer, that means jack smith had to get up to speed i think he wasover seas when he was first appointed. >> he was. >> so you then have to have him get up to speed on the case. then you start this investigation. which then delays it and to your point, we are looking at the possibility that

this state trial goes in january. right? as the iowa caucuses are happening, right as new hampshire is happening and that in between now and then, trump could have already been, you know, in the e. jean carroll case, you could have witnesses on the stand for that. you could have the georgia case coming i feel as if garland's doj created a train reck in trying to prevent politicization. >> yeah. and it will remain to be seen. i'm not sure at the end of the day you could end up in a different situation to play out sort of different hypothetical, you could end up with four separate criminal cases. two at the state level, two at the federal level. the mar-a-lago case, because it's relatively easy, in the sense narrow set of facts, that could actually jump forward quite quickly. >> yeah. >> in terms of when there's an actual trial and that could happen before an election. but i agree with you, if the issue is holding someone to

account, you have somebody who -- president while they're in office the department of justice says you can't prosecute the person then they leave office if the department of justice says, well, let's just look forward, not back ward, you have a de facto system which is the president is never going to be held to account. you know, when the mueller investigation, we had volume ii all about obstruction. >> obstruction, 11 counts. >> i was sitting there thinking f you're never going to vindicate that, why have a special counsel in the future because you're basically going to say, you know what, they can obstruct while they're a president and there's nothing you can do about it. >> that's correct. >> because you can't bring the case all you have to do is wait until you're no longer president because then you'll look forward. >> yeah. >> so it's a totally good point about the department of justice really just needs to bite the bullet yes, they'll be criticized. >> sure. >> but you know what, that's why you're paid the big bucks. >> it's the nixon/ford situation. it's too hard for the country but ends up you're incentivizin the next lawless president to

say i'm good i just need to get elected with. mike pence is now not going to fight it and go ahead and testify. significance of that >> so i think that is really important to the january 6th case one way or the other, if he had something to say that is beneficial to the former president, jack smith needs to know it. >> yeah. >> you need to understand is it something that is so exculpatory you don't bring a case or something that you have an answer to. or conversely, is it something that is incull patory. and it may be some of both but it's something that obviously needs to be ironed out. and i also think one great thing that jack smith is doing, and again this is sort of an unintended consequence of it going from garland to jack smith, is he's not wishy washy he is not saying come on in and let's do an interview. come on set, we'll just chat. >> right. >> you're going in the grand jury and we're going to lock you in in a forearm where there is a transcript and you're under oath and you can't back out and

wiggle there will be an actual transcript and i think that is the way you have to do public corruption cases. there's so many people who don't want to have that. they want to not be tied down, as you know from interviewing people so, it is really important and it's great to see that jack smith is treating all these people as the way they would treat anyone else and not looking at gee, because of your prior job, i'm going to treat you differently. >> yeah. it's sort of this thing our system is built on, right? the idea that you are a citizen and then you are a member of whatever body, you're an elected official and then a citizen again. if that is broken, i feel like it breaks the whole system because then if i'm, you know, a corrupt crime person, you know what i want to be, president. >> yeah. let me give you another side to this, a friend of mine who worked in the white house, in the obama administration, said you know what, when you are a public official, you can have an extra -- >> that's it. >> it's not that that is somehow immunizing you, unlike a normal citizen, yes, if you get a

subpoena, you have to go in. >> that's it. >> if you work for the public, you're working for the public. that's your first obligation >> yeah, absolutely. andrew weissman, so great to talk to you. thank you so much. i feel like i'm taking a law class for free up next on "the reidout," trump's next court appearance set for rleay december, we now have to consider how all this will affect the next election cycle. we'll get into that when "the reidout" continues se, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy, long lasting relief in a scent-free, gentle mist. (psst psst) flonase. all good.

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the newly-indicted donald trump was oddly quiet yesterday

in new york city when he was arraigned on criminal charges. saving his bluster for his most loyal stands at mar-a-lago but his speech there was nothing more than his usual stew of grievances of lies he attacked our naugs's justice system, special counsel jack smith, the national archives, the state level officials investigating him. and he renewed his attacks on manhattan d.a. alvin bragg and his family, along with the judge in the hush-money case, juan juan merchan judge warned trump about social media comments that would jeopardize the safety of others. but trump attacked him and his family hours later any way his henchman in congress have no shortage of excuses to defend their dear leader. >> this is about intimidation. this is about chilling everyone's speech, making everyone stay in line, even the judge yesterday said, hey, mr. trump, president trump, be careful what you say i think that's a message to all us regular folks across the heartland. to me, that's the most alarming thing of all

>> i had two calls yesterday one from a county attorney in kentucky and one from a county attorney in tennessee. they were republican, obviously. both states are heavily republican they want to know if there are ways they can go after the bidens now >> come on now, y'all. of course we all know that trump's rant was in essence like any trump stump speech ever. since attacking the justice system in his -- it's the thing he does. one that juices up his maga republican voters and gets them to give him money. trump's trial could run head first and headlong into next year's republican presidential primaries. manhattan prosecutors are pushing for a january start. trump's team want it later in the spring defendant trump is still the republican front-runner and lindsey graham, well, he still is his most loyal caddy. crying and begging for cash on fox news again last night. >> i'm sorry i'm so upset, but please help president trump. if you can afford 5 or 10 bucks,

can't afford a dollar fine just pray. make sure you vote as early as you can in your state. don't risk anything anymore. vote as soon as you can. pray for this country. pray for this president. and if you got any money to give, give it. >> joining me now is business and political marketing consultant charlie, editor at large msnbc editor i'm going to you first and ask, where should we send the hostage money. obviously that man a hostage and obviously that money he's begging for is to get him out of the basement of mar-a-lago so where should we send the money? >> pathetic. you know the first time that he did that, did that crying oral roberts routine, i thought he was going through some things. having a bad night but he's doing it again. he's doubling down on it you would think there would be a little bit of a gene left in

him, self respect or self dignity, but no. this of course is what donald trump is counting on as he continues to be the fire hose of disinformation but i do think that, you know, we are in this new era in which he is a criminal defendant what he says might have consequences and he has lived in a world that has been accountability free, where he can say anything. he can insult anyone he can tell any lie. he can foment any sort of insurrection without actually ever being called to account and jim jordan may have thought it was alarming, but the judge was doing his job when he said, look, you need to be careful about the language you use if you're inciting violence, if you're undermining the rule of law, i will hold you accountable, as i would hold any criminal defendant accountable and of course, we'll have to see whether, in fact, that happens because we're in a new world here by the way, i do think it's important to point out that

reckless demagoguery of those two committee chairman, they are chairman of committees in the house of representatives and they are -- you know, as i have said many times on this program before, they may be clowns with flame throwers but they still have flame throwers >> yeah. >> this is what is dangerous and representative comer's comments are beyond the pale to suggest there would be some sort of nakedly partisan retaliation. he ought to be held accountable for that. >> absolutely. the thing is, tara, you work on political campaigns. you worked with politicians. donald trump's political schtick is to attack everyone who he thinks of as an enemy. if there was a gag order, for instance, in this case, that's his whole campaign that's all that he does. he wouldn't have anything else he would be able to do and he would clearly try to use that as well walk us through this for a second because this actually could all be starting to play out in the courts at the same

time it's playing out on the primary campaign trail how does that even look? that's the calendar up there this starts in january iowa and new hampshire for the republicans. >> well, i think that trump's base will continue to rally around trump i don't think that they're looking to go anywhere any time soon he plays the victim card well. he makes it not just about him but us so these attacks on him are attacks on us. the justice department is attacking us alvin bragg is attacking you and your family. so he plays that card very well and people want him to play that card. >> marjorie taylor greene called him mandela and esus. >> jesus, exactly. mixed in one >> which is -- >> also sleeping with an adult film actress which jesus and mandela didn't do. >> exactly but i think it doesn't matter what he does but where trump's real problem is, there's a huge gulf between a primary and a general election and so, even when these charges, it's not just the charges.

women voters are being reminded about the fact that he had these affairs while his wife was pregnant women voters are being reminded about the laundry list of allegations against him, sexual assault, sexual harassment and the stuff that he's admitted to. the "access hollywood" tape keeps getting brought up again and so this is really damaging him for the general election and i think that's what republicans are afraid of, right? they can't walk away from him. they're tethered to him. they've handed their dignity over and they're going to just -- whatever little shred is left, they'll stick with him, right? but they know when the general election comes around, if he is the nominee, that this will be an albatross for him, convicted or not. >> the thing is, charlie, the hostage situation i was joking about with lindsey graham actually is real because it is true, as tara said, the republicans even the ones who are supposedly running against him in a primary, they're lashed to him. they have to defend him. and that means that they're

going to have to go through -- there are three women who will testify in that e. jean carroll case in ivanka's bedroom and the woman who claimed she was felt up on a plane, okay. these are the things that they're going to be hearing if they can hear them on fox news somehow. so how much dignity are they willing to shed? they're all marjorie taylor greene now what do they do if and when he's the nominee, they're stuck with him again, and he takes them down and everyone down down with him. how many cycles are they willing to go through this with him? >> we're about to find out because nothing is about to get better you think about where we're at right now with all the pictures on the front page news of the president making his perp walk and being the first former president to be arrested but, think about all of the things that will happen between now and the beginning of those primaries. all of the other cases, all of the other information. during that period, republicans are going to be forced to talk about this they're going to be forced to

defend him they're not going to be able to talk about any of their other issues and just something to keep in mind here that we need to play the longer chess game. by the time this trial begins, whether it's in january or next spring, it may be very, very old news because by that time there may be other superseding indictments out of georgia, the department of justice which you were talking about in your last department maybe the justice department will get around to finally doing something. and at that point it won't just be talking about alvin bragg it will be talking about the georgia perp walk. it will be talking about mar-a-lago it will be talking about january 6th. and even for republican party that has been willing to be hostage, this is the question that we have to watch. how much are they willing to swallow, especially as it becomes in this point about the difference between the primary and the general election cannot be overstressed. this may be helping donald trump short term

this is absolutely toxic in the long term. >> in the general. >> i'm here in the state of wisconsin. we saw what happened last night. if republicans want to have happen nationwide what happened in wisconsin last night, they should keep doing exactly what they're doing because it will turn out the same way for them. >> and the reality is, we're in a moment where the end of roe is in my mind the driving factor in terms of women's votes right now. and the gun issue is the driving factor for young people's votes and republicans are banning books and making african-americans understand they are absolutely not welcome. they have now set up a three-part failure strategy for themselves and then he's most likely to be their nom mee. how has donald trump, you know this man, how has he managed to cow and subordinate an entire political party to the point where he could be in sing sing and they would still support him. >> i said this many times and people get mad at me donald trump is many things, but one thing he is not is stupid. he is an excellent marketer.

that is the only reason he has a penny left in his pocket because he's not a good businessman. he's a good marketer he's a spin golly. what he has done is he has created a situation where he has built this, as we talked about many times, this part, but bears repeating, he has built a cult around him and that cult is what's protecting him i've said this before, the true accountability for both parties comes from the base. period >> yeah. >> so that's why you see the democratic party you see guys like anthony wiener and the democratic party immediately abandon him when the allegations game out. >> that's right. >> case studies about that around the country. >> absolutely. >> but when it comes to the republican party, that base will not go against the nominee if that nominee is feeding them what they want. >> what they want to hear. >> the bottom line is the greatest magic trick in the world, i'm a billionaire give me $24. because if i'm a billionaire, i don't need $24 from you. i have the money he literally has made them give

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janet will become a wisconsin supreme court justice, handing liberals the majority on that court for the first time in 15 years it is a big deal and a huge relief for wisconsin voters who are essentially held captive by a gerrymandered republican led legislature stripped the governor of his powers this is just how motivating reproductive rights truly are. wisconsin voters backed protasaiwicz they elected a republican for a state senate seat that was up for grabs. effectively handing republicans the super majority why does this matter because the person who won that state senate race says he would consider impeaching protasiewicz

in her current role as a milwaukee judge. i think you get the point. i bring this to your attention because it is a reminder that with american democracy one key victory does not win the war take, for example, tennessee after a school gun massacre in nashville, thousands of teenagers took to the halls of the state legislature and joined their elected representatives in demanding that republicans do something and address gun violence in schools. well, instead of addressing the issue, republicans are moving to silence three democratic state representatives by expelling them think about that tennessee republicans want to silence nearly 200,000 tennessee voters by kicking out the people that they voted for. at this point, just ignoring the will of the voters is becoming synonymous with republicanism. look at what's happening in north carolina this morning, state

representative announced she would be leaving the democratic party to join the republicans. ignoring the will of her constituents she was elected in a majority democratic district after campaigning on reproductive rights and lgbtq issues. instead her party switch hands republicans a veto-proof majority in that state at a time when they want to ban abortion reporters asked what republicans would do next in the next election, given that she represents a reliably democratic district, guess what they said, they said they intend to redistrict the house and the senate and the congressional seats and incumbency is always taken into account oh, yes, democracy at work when you can't win on the issues, just change the rules to make sure you win. look, i don't want to dismiss protasiewicz huge victory in wisconsin last night, but voters have to remember that change doesn't happen from the top down it happens from the bottom up. starting at the local level. and joining me now is national

affairs correspondent for the nation and associate editor for the the capital times in madison, wisconsin it is so good to see you it's been too long, john i was super excited about protasiewicz's win, good, women in wisconsin will not be state property now because it's 1849 law in theory could come before that court and then i heard about the state senate seat. because the reality is that people voted on the one hand to protect their rights of mo ternty and on the other hand give republicans the power to erase what they had already done how does this make sense >> well, in some ways it doesn't make sense, although you have to understand that this seat where the republican won the state senate seat, is a traditionally republican seat. in fact, it was a republican seat until its sitting senator stepped down so effectively after the 2022 election, republicans had a supermajority. this isn't something new they had it. they lost it briefly they have now got it back.

and it comes into kind of different perspective here because we have now had the change in the court. and where we have to be very conscious is that among all the issues that this court is likely to take up, and that's abortion rights, labor rights, all the business issues that court usually deal with, the one that may stand out most is addressing gerrymandering and if this court takes a gerrymandering case and says, you know, look, these maps are terrible they're rigged and janet protasiewicz said as a candidate. you'll see a lot of republican legislatures who are very scared because they only control that legislature because of gerrymandering their power extends from rigged maps if the court is going to unrig those maps, yeah, you'll see -- you will see a lot of push back. you'll see a lot of efforts to try to undo it but i'll give you a couple pieces of counsel here, joy. first and foremost, in talking

to republican state senators, there's not a lot of excitement about the idea of an impeachment trial because if they tried this on a newly-elected state supreme court justice who won running clearly on her stance on the issues, she talked about her values and who won a very large majority, more than 200,000 vote majority, if they tried that, i think they might as well give up on the 2024 presidential election in wisconsin and on the senate race in wisconsin where tammy baldwin is up. so, they are -- they're very cut throat, but they're also very conscious of politics. >> right. >> so i don't necessarily think that impeachment is coming down the line, but what i will tell you is if by some chance they did do this, if they impeached janet protasiewicz and removed her from the court after this election, the person who would replace her is progressive democratic governor tony ebers who would immediately put another liberal on the court >> very interesting.

so i mean -- and i think this is the thing is that i love that you explained that because i feel like people don't think through sort of the uses of power. republicans do, though because -- >> oh, yeah. >> wisconsin has been not just an extremely gerrymandered state but a minority ruled state for quite a long time. extreme gerrymandering busting unions, speessentially forcing all of this 50/50 state to live under extreme republican rule do you see that beginning to crack because of this race and to be blunt, because women were upset over the end of roe and were like, no, we're not going to vote in the guy who wants to, you know, put in the 1849 abortion ban. >> you nailed it, joy. i mean, that's -- there is a shift taking place now if we're honest with ourselves, that shift started in 2018 democrats and progressives have been on a winning streak in wisconsin since 2018 winning the governorship, attorney general's job, this is the third state supreme court

race they've won since 2018. so they've been building majorities they've been building strength and i think this one became a national focus because it actually did shift the court from a 4/3 conservative majority to a 4/3 liberal majority. i do think that there is a shift going on in wisconsin. and it has a couple of factors in play. first and foremost, you talk about the reproductive rights issues you're right about women in the suburbs of milwaukee, an area that was traditionally just a tremendously powerful vote generating area for the republicans, they are starting to lose numbers. in wolworth county, historically very republican county, protasiewicz got 45% of the vote that's striking. that's amazing that's up at the levels that obama got at his very best in 2008 so, that's a big deal there. but then the other thing i would

throw in the mix here is -- while we're talking about women, we should also talk about young people as a group. these reproductive rights issues and also these gerrymandering issues have real resonance with young voters and there were lines of young voters in madison, in o claire, in green bay around the state and so i do think there's a shift going on and if you can kind of generate the level of support that protasiewicz got in a non-partisan, off year, spring election on one of the rainiest, stormiest nights wisconsin had in a long time -- >> yeah. >> then could you do that in november of 2024 i think you could. >> yeah. and i would argue that for democrats nationally, guns and reproductive rights -- and i would throw in lgbtq rights and protecting history, those are winning issues republicans think they're winning issues for them. they are 100% wrong. john nichols, thank you very much. up next, another win for progressive last night this time

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it was right here in the city of chicago that martin luther king jr. organized for justice, dreaming that one day that the civil rights movement and the labor rights movement would come together. well, reverend martin luther

king jr., the civil rights movement and the labor rights movement has finally collided. we are experiencing the very dream of the greatest man who ever walked the earth. >> okay, pastor. that was chicago's new mayor elect brandon johnson after scoring last night's other major progressive victory. his win is a major referendum on how the city tackles the issue of crime and gun violence. johnson ran on investing in communities abdomenal health services he competed against paul vallos. now the city is bracing for a potential showdown chicago's police union president warned last week that up to 1,000 officers would leave the force if johnson won telling "the new york times" in trumpian fashion, quote, if this guy gets in, we're going to see an exodus like we have never seen before, predicting blood in the streets. joining me now is tina, chief political reporter for the chicago sun times. thank you for being here

is that what we're looking at here what is the likelihood that this police union president will follow through on those threats? >> well, he is used to making fiery statements like this and paul vallas last week walked this back and said i do not support this police officers should not quit if he loses. and that's indeed what happened. so, it's not what we're seeing, but we are seeing that vallas r ran on a platform he was against some of these foot pursuit policies, that he wanted to fill all these vacancies and so, that's why the police union supported him. >> you know what, one of the difficulties for every mayor of a big city is that you have to deal with the police union that's difficult in new york, atlanta, difficult in his name is john cotton hour a. john canada, sorry he has expressed sympathy fo the rioters who stormed th

capitol on january 6th he has called muslims savage who all deserve a bullet he retired from the police force in 2021 rather than face potential disciplinary actions he punctuated his retirement papers with a handwritten note finally let's go brandon he also said an interview that if i get paid $1 every time was called a racist i would be independently wealthy. so that is what the city o chicago and its africa american population are dealin with how ugly is this relationshi gonna be >> this is historically hostile relationship, mayo lori lightfoot had a very hard time with the police union and the police department in general. and i say think that that will continue until brendan johnson can form some sort of trus level. i don't know what that will be like but we will have a new polic superintendent in july there is a new civilia oversight board that is what laying down the thre candidates and that is different than wha we have seen before. so that might be an internal candidate, that might be a

great candidate for the police department to have someone t trust, who knows what is going on you think about lori lightfoot she had an outsider come in. and we have seen several mayor hire outsiders it doesn't always go well. and especially the climate tha we are in the chicago peac department now it is low morale there is so many vacancies they don't agree with who th mayor was and now to they ar not in favor of johnson. they will have to find a way t work with them >> it isn't necessarily th police should be allowed to be violent or quick, that seems like a rather weird fals choice what about some of the policie that this new mayor elect is talking about? because some of it actuall sounds pretty exciting i think for a lot of people. meaning that a call wher someone is having a mental health crisis, a mental health person respond rather than police i mean, that sounds like something that is pretty sound -- almost all levels of crime the murders and shootings ar down

but everything else is up. and so there needs to be a different solution than just policing and that is what people saw. and that is why a lot of peopl voted for brandon johnson. >> let me play mr. johnson o morning show today >> we tend to limit ou conversations around toughness and more police officers and what has been proven ove and over again is that that is not a recipe for absolut success. and our mission in my platform has been very clear. we get at the immediate dynami of public safety but we also set up long term solutions. and that is everything fro economic development affordable housing but we also have to provid health care. and that includes mental healt care >> we know that lori lightfoot was a very polarizing figure does this new incoming mayor have allies in the community the business community those supported -- >> he is working on the. and there was a couple o letters center today fro business organizations some of the largest ones sayin they will work with him.

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only one who is tired of sayin that this generation, my generation our generation has grown up in a pandemic of gun violence and it is killing us guns are the number one killer of children and teens in america right now. we cannot accept this. we cannot normalize this we cannot sit back while 120 people die every single day an hundreds more are wounded by guns >> that was a student in tampa florida, today calling for gun reform one week after the horrifi nashville elementary schoo shooting today, many students across th country walked out of class to demand an end to gun violence. in response to last week's shooting, tennessee democrat announced five pieces of legislation to fight gun violence but across the aisle, tennesse republicans are doubling dow on their out of touch behavior today advancing a bill tha would arm teachers with guns

despite a crowd of mothers begging them not to do it. here is that scene from today. >> there are children aliv today that would be dead because of your attitudes. >> blue! >> we will fight you out >> you do not get to say >> do you know any teachers? >> don't pay us to die >> these people should not hav guns >> bottom out! vote them out! out! out! >> this comes at the sam completely disconnected from reality republicans plan t vote tomorrow to expel three democratic lawmakers for supporting tennessee student in a gun control protest at th state capital. we will talk to two of those state representatives, glori johnson, and justin jone tomorrow you don't want to miss it. and that is tonight's read out all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on