two other witnesses that confirm that she told him abou this incident immediately afte it happened. >> and said it was donal trump. >> right so, his own attorney general said if donald trump ever take the stand, is a complete disaster we all know that so, he is likely by by may of this year to be filing by a new york jury as a witness >> great to have you here at the table. that is "all in" on this wednesday night. >> good evening, chris i'm going to set the trump of all this aside and say congratulations to you, buddy. >> thank you >> for ten years i'd like to say that's a long time to people who haven't known you for how many is it >> 26 we want to go with >> you don't look a day over 25. congratulations, that's amazing. you deserve all the accolades. i love watching you all these decades but especially on the air for the last ten, and you

should be really proud of what you've done, and i'm very proud of you as your friend, it's awesome >> i'm proud and happy to do it with you >> yes, that's the best part thank you to all of you at home for joining us this hour if you're a superstitious person as i am, maybe you're familiar with the notion bad things happen in threes for example, you might get a flat tire and spill coffee all over yourself or sprain your ankle on the same day. or if you're donald trump you may grapple with a major setback in a federal investigation and be faced to face the specter of a state investigation in the same week. we learned late this afternoon trump's vice president mike pence will in fact testify before the special counsel's grand jury investigating january 6th. trump and even pence himself they had tried and failed to

block that testimony, but in a statement today an aide for pence said pence will comply with the subpoena. will comply with the subpoena. a federal judge in d.c. ruled pence does have some constitutional protections allowing him not to testify on matters related to his role presiding over the senate on january 6th. but as "the new york times" points out the judge ruled pence would still have to testify about any potentially illegal acts committed by trump on january 6th or the days leading up to it evacuating the building for his own safety and he was fielding urgent phone calls from a loading dock, presumably ignoring the chants outside to hang mike pence. so the fact his conversations with trump are now fair game legally speaking is a very huge deal here. the second bad thing for donald trump is the special counsel's criminal probe into trump's handling of classified materials, the mar-a-lago

documents case it is pretty clear that trump considers this a bad thing last night at his post-arraignment victory rally trump was fixated on that mar-a-lago investigation he called jack smith a radical left lunatic and a bomb thrower. he made a public spectacle of wrestling with his potential guilt. >> we were negotiating in very good faith, proper way in order to return some or all of the documents that i openly and in very plain sight brought with me to mar-a-lago from our beautiful white house. >> openly and in plain sight because that doesn't make it -- oh, wait a second. and trump apparently has reason to be worried about all this we now know the doj is focusing in on trump's alleged obstruction down at mar-a-lago and trump's secret service agents are reportedly testifying friday before a grand jury as part of that investigation

"the new york times" reports that trump is particularly spooked that his attorney, evan corcoran, was recently ordered to testify before the special counsel's grand jury evan corkren had direct contact with trump after trump was subpoenaed to return those documents. so we have the vice president agreeing to testify then january 6th probe, and we the president's personal attorney testifying in the classified documents investigation. and now, well, we have this. donald trump arraigned in manhattan court pleading not guilty to 34 felonies. there is something laid out in the d.a.'s statement of facts here, that's the d.a.'s document accompanying the indictment that has left me with more questions than answers it concerns this man, former

trump organization chief financial officer allen weisselberg, he's currently set to be released from rikers island two weeks from today for pleading guilty to decades long tax evasion scheme in exchange for a lighter prison sentence in the fraud trial of the trump org last year he testified, he pleaded guilty and helped them secure a guilty vrd on 17 tax charges. mr. weisselberg is a key character in trump world he worked for the organization for nearly 50 years. the previous manhattan d.a.cy vance was scrutinizing weisselberg in connection to fraud claims levied at trump and his organization eby none other than michael cohen that appears to still be open. "the new york times" reported in february that prosecutors were dangling more charges against allen weisselberg in an effort to get him to cooperate in the hush money payments case that's the one alvin bragg

issued an indictment for yesterday. it is important to remember that this larger fraud investigation is arguably a broader and more consequential investigation than the hush money payments case it involves allegations trump and his business inflated and deflated assets in order to get more favorable insurance and mortgage rates weisselberg's potential criminal exposure here is very much a live issue, as it was first reported here on this show with wnbc, weisselberg has parted ways with the lawyers who represented him during the trump organization investigation weisselberg reportedly has a new lawyer, someone who's also not coincidently paid by the trump organization if allen weisselberg is getting out of prison, he's getting out of rikers in two weeks, why does he need a new lawyer that news stuck out to me because remember in the federal probe into the hush money payments allen weisselberg was granted immunity in exchange for his grand jury testimony

this was the case that resulted in michael cohen going to prison but in the unsealing of the statement of facts in alvin bragg's case against trump yesterday, we learned the deeper extent of allen weisselberg's alleged hand in that scream. the. a. laze out in detail how much he was involved in discussions to pay money to stormy daniels and how to pay her weisselberg spoke about, quote, how to set this up and allen weisselberg played an integral role the document also alleges weisselberg memorialized these calculations in hand written notes in copies of the bank statement michael cohen had provided allen weisselberg is all over the statement of facts in this criminal case, why wasn't he charged? after all, the only immunity he had concerning the hush money scheme was from federal prosecutors, not the d.a.'s office, not alvin bragg. so could prosecutors use allen

weisselberg's alleged involvement in that hush money scheme as leverage to get allen weisselberg to cooperate in the other broader and on going criminal investigation into trump world because that would be very, very problematic for donald trump problematic on the level of his vice president and his lawyer testifying against him like i said, bad things may happen in threes joining us now is suzan craig, pulitzer prizewinning investigator for "the new york times," and catherine christian, a former special assistant d.a. in the manhattan district attorney's ffice thank you both for being here. thank you for sitting with me as i went on that extended jag. i think i was really struck by allen weisselberg has moved in the shadows as a person of great importance here, and i guess did you think it was odd he was so prominent in a shadowy way in

that effective summary of alvin bragg's case >> i think it was odd because it's factually accurate. he did all those things, so to not include the people who know the facts are like where is this -- >> right, to not charge him. >> and i'm not going to speculate. he's 75. he's currently in rikers island. he's getting out soon. he was convicted he's already testified on behalf of the d.a.'s office it could be argued he didn't testify that great so he didn't hurt the defense, he didn't hurt the d.a.'s office so i'm not going to speculate about whether or not someone is cooperating. it's sort of like you say it quacks like a duck, it looks like a duck. it is an attorney going to get out. it shouldn't be surprising he's a part of the statement of facts. >> it's not surprising he's included in the statement of fact, but the fact he is in

charge and remains a person potentially of great interest because i would love to get your thoughts on this this broader investigation begun by cy vance is not over. alvin bragg's office has been clear on that. >> and people who don't believe that, they should. people upset yesterday, and i'm not people politically upset who said that's all there is, this is the entire case i have said it's not over yet, you know, the investigation is continuing, just wait, just wait there might be another chapter and i think there will be another chapter, and it's an investigation so clearly the d.a.'s office is not going to talk about a pending investigation, but i think there'll be more to come >> how do you read all of this, suzan, in terms of the case laid out yesterday of the broader investigation continued of cy vance. >> i think he feels the heat in his cell right now in rikers

i think what prosecutors are looking to do is he's got two more weeks left, and he is potentially facing insurance fraud charges that could be brought against him, and i think they're using the pressure of that to get him to cooperate not just on the larger case that we've talked about, the valuations of the trump organization, when they need that loan they go high when they need the solution and they're talking the tax map they go low. i believe they're working on that but secondly, i believe depending on how things go for allen weisselberg, if there is a level of cooperation, you can see him as a witness in the stormy daniels case. we don't know right now where things are at. the trump organization is paying his bills. he is 75 years old, and i just don't any of us except for him can understand the effect of he would be doing -- if the insurance case goes ahead against him where he was -- >> central >> it's theft over a million

dollars, it is hard time and i think he's just got some hard decisions to make right now about what he's going to do. but i wouldn't necessarily -- i'm not going to -- if i was betting i'm not sure i would bet we're going to see him in the stormy daniels case, but i don't think the odds are low but i think his cooperation in the other case which is very significant when they were filing false bank records, and i think that's where they really want his cooperation >> yeah, and i think it's important to say there really appears to be more going on here than i think people are potentially giving the d.a. credit for in this stage of the investigation. >> that's why it's important to watch because you've got all these other cases going on around the country, and i think when we look back and judge we're going to forget the daily debate of the merits of this single case because it's going to fit into the larger picture

>> to give this present case its due diligence, what's going on here in terms of the potential tax fraud piece of the hush money case can you talk to me about how -- >> actually, instead of tax fraud it's false filing. >> okay. >> with the new york state tax authority. so that's a crime to file a false instrument it's a fancy way of saying filing a false document that contains false information if you read the statement of facts and i think d.a. bragg sort of glaused over it a little bit in his press conference, and there were mischaracterizations of tax it's not that complicated, but the $130,000 reimbursed to michael cohen that he gave to stormy daniels, he was paid back double that. >> we have actually a graphic. can we please bring it up as you're explaining this because i think it helps there you go >> he was paid basically double that and did not list it as an expense. helisted it as income for his

taxes. you might say that's silly because he's going to be taxed on it. in fact, he was, but by giving him that extra money he actually made a profit, so he got back his $130,000 plus more money so that's where that comes from >> i have a little different spin on this because we don't see the words "tax fraud" anywhere in this >> very clearly. >> and we also don't know what michael cohen actually did in his tax payment e-mail that came to him that was $130,000 they were grossed up so they could pay on it. we don't know what he did. i think the more important thing when we look at this the tax allegations are not straight tax fraud. a lot of people think that the trump organization had a legal fee that then they put on their tax return we i think reasonably there are three reasons that didn't happen one, alvin bragg could have alleged that and he didn't secondly, in 2020 we got a trove

of information in that was the w-2s and payroll information and other information that led us to believe there was not a bright light payment to michael cohen >> so they don't file for it >> and then the third thing, the trump organization lawyers, and they have said it wasn't filed, but it doesn't in this case necessarily or if it was file would the tax thoauthority, ande reason why there's a books and records violation that they have they showed that they conspired on the books and records to disease it as a tax payment. and the hope here is you've got the misdemeanor, the falsification of business records. >> right >> and then where it goes from there you can potentially elevate that to a felony simply because of the conspiracy to -- >> the intent. >> just the intent to defraud is enough they don't actually need to do it, and we don't see any evidence, and i think the most

powerful statement there is was never file would the tax authorities. alvin bragg didn't say it. we may later down the road i'm not going to say it's never going to happen but there's strong evidence to suggest i think one of the reasons why why they had an accountant at the tax organization, somebody came in, an outside firm it was morgan lewis, a right-wing law firm and donald trump became president and i don't want to call it an audit, but they looked at the practices of the payroll and accounting department and they were like you guys have got to clean this up and it was a disaster. and we saw a trial where they were convicted of kind of sketchy accounting problems. >> just to be clear, so we're talking about the intent to mess around with this is enough >> well, you need the intent to defraud, and then you need the intent to commit a crime or aid and conceal a crime. you don't have to commit the crime but have the intent to commit the crime

>> this has been noted in a lot of outlets today part of that fraud was paying more taxes than were really technically due, is that right just because this was in theory, right, if we bring that graphic back up, this was michael cohen -- this was then basically grossing up if cohen claimed it. >> claimed it as his income. he website to jail and part of it was failure to pay income tax. potentially, yeah there could have been an overpayment the d.a.'s office knows what he did otherwise it would not be using him as a witness >> are we going to find out all of this in the discovery process? >> in the discovery process and clearly when it goes to trial it's going to be a direct examination, and the district attorney is going to have to bring out all of mr. cohen's bad acts before he gets cross

examined on it it's going to come out in the direct examination well, discovery has to be filed in 35 days >> when it's voluminous. it's 65 days there's a reason why there's such a long adjourn date they're discussing discovery and for protective order to limit what mr. trump can actually see alone. they're asking that he be in his attorney's office at the time that he sees the documents mr. tacopina yesterday i read the transcript said, hold on, we didn't agree to that we're going to be in his office to review the documents. so i think there's going to be a dispute over that between the defense and the prosecutor >> yeah, donald trump flying back to new york every time he needs to review something. >> or going down to mar-a-lago, which i don't think -- >> as a new yorker who likes getting around town, keep it in

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yesterday while the entire country was glued to the television waiting for donald trump to get arrested in new york city while all of that circus was unfolding down in washington, d.c., donald trump was losing another battle, an important one. a federal appeals court yesterday rejected rump's latest attempt to block some of his closest aides from testifying about him to the special grand jury investigating the efforts to overturn the 2020 election and the names here would appear to be big ones former chief of staff mark meadows, former deputy chief of staff dan scavino, former director of national intelligence john ratcliffe, and ken cuccinelli these people know a ton about trump's actions and trump's thinking around the january 6th insurrection, and up until now quite a few of them have been shall we say elusive in terms of

offering up those thoughts under oath the decision by that federal appeals court in d.c., that happened around noon yesterday, and by the afternoon ken cuccinelli was spotted on his way to speak to the grand jury, not wasting any time now, cuccinelli's name hasn't been tossed around as much as say mark meadows name, but he could be key here. he's told the january 6th committee he's been asked several times by rudy giuliani and at least on one occasion by trump himself if dhs had the authority to seize voting machines after the 2020 election and the fact cuccinelli is being called to testify to the grand jury here, that could tell us a lot about jack smith's investigation. namely the special counsel may be trying to prove trump went out of his way to deny biden's victory despite knowing that the ideas he was considering were clearly unlawful to that end, the special counsel is about to get another huge piece of that puzzle because today former vice president mike

pence who is considered to be the star witness of the january 6th investigation, pence confirmed he'll not appeal a judge's ruling that requires him to testify in front of the special counsel's grand jury, which means there are going to be a lot of questions for the former vice president, ones he'll have to answer under oath for the first time ever. joining us now is nbc news senior legal correspondent laura jarrett. laura, thank you for being here tonight. it is always good to see you, my friend mike pence's team, his spokesperson is saying that mike pence feels vindicated by this ruling, and i understand in the world of trump things are often in the upside-down and up is down and down is up and being forced -- compelling someone's testimony can somehow seem like a victory ifyou spin it the right way if you're mike pence, but what is the logic here behind claiming this compilation to testify a victory >> if you think about it the judge actually gave them quite

an evident solution. their whole argument was he shouldn't have to testify because on january 6th he's presiding over the senate. in that role he should be immunized just like any other lawmaker should be and therefore he's protected by the speech or debate clause and shouldn't have to testify at all. the judge didn't buy that. he rejected the idea he'd be wholesale from testifying. he did buy into the idea he'd have some limited immunity for just january 6th, but special counsel jack smith doesn't wasn't just what happened on january 6th. we wants all the conversations leading up to january 6th because he's trying to get to trump's intent, what were his efforts tocli to power and subvert the election >> that's the beef, if you will. >> but they get the benefit of saying we tried to fight it, we didn't just sort of roll into the grand jury without trying to fight it we did it, we got a ruling in

our favor about the issue of speech and debate for the first time in our history, but now we're going to testify. >> isn't it the most elgent insofar as everybody wins. mike pence gets to say -- well, that is very true because january 6th we know mike pence is on the hill -- donald trump is not calling mike pence. mike pence is talking a lot to donald trump up until he departs from the capitol and that's a period he has to testify about >> and there's all these conversations that get documented in pence's memoir and we've talked about "the wall street journal" op-ed. he's laid out a lot of this story, but he hasn't testified in front of a grand jury under oath where you're going to have not, you know, just anybody but prosecutors probing him, exactly what were you told they're going to ask anything and everything related to all these conversations, which was very different than providing your reflections >> yeah, and the fact is mark

short and gregg jacob have testified, but that's secondary information. >> yeah, there were conversations only trump and pence are a party to and those are the conversations i would imagine if i were a prosecutor i would want the grand jury to hear that testimony. >> to some degree people think, oh, we've heard what mike pence has to say in these interviews on abc or "the wall street journal" op-ed i know i have more questions i know a coalition of media outlets is pressing to get that testimony unsealed because of its national import. do you think we're going to be successful in any of that? >> those are so hard it's really hard with grand jury issues to sort of break through on that. i mean, we saw what we did as a media coalition just this week the federal grand jury when it's not even completed its investigation, where skbhaeb it's at the end of the but not even completed it, i think it's

going to be hard to get a successful verdict there, but we'll see. >> can you -- i know this is reading tea leaves to a large degree, but i know we've had off-line conversations about where we are in the time line in the special counsel's probe. it's just as we are taught to believe star witnesses come at the end, right mike pence is a star witness you don't get really much inner circle in trump world than mike pence. first of all do you think jack smith is going to come forward a conclusion on both these investigations at the same time since he's overseeing both mar-a-lago and january 6th do you see them on parallel but separate tracks? >> it's hard to know how he's going to roll them out obviously the mar-a-lago issue appears to be coming to a head as well with all the reporting on the tax and e-mails and evidence prosecutors have gathered as part of that and other people have testified in front of the grand jury

including secret service agents now. there appears to be a lot of movement afoot there i'd keep an eye on, but it's hard to know whether he's going to roll all that outright now or he tries to take the low hanging fruit if there's easy things to prosecute and get in front of the grand jury maybe you don't hold those it's hard to know what the strategy is and it is nearly impossible but we are going to keep trying. >> on mar-a-lago the fact that there's reporting that trump's secret service agents are testifying in that probe, what do we expect to glean -- first of all, secret service keeps being -- the secret service writ large is dragged back on mar-a-lago what does that tell you about the obstruction case that seems

to be building in that >> that's what it appears to be centered around that now you know, it was always hard to know exactly what the theory of the case would be, and we weren't sure exactly was it just retention of classified documents? was it a directive to somebody to do something? it now appears based off the reporting out there they're really centered on the activity that happens after the receipt of the subpoena and anything and everything after basically nay and evan corcoran, trump's attorney that appears to be a critical juncture to keep an eye on >> i mean if i'm donald trump and i'm looking around the room and the secret service agents are testifying and being schlepped back in to talk and evan corkeren, that attorney-client privilege is being pierced -- >> it's such a different strategy think back to the way robert mueller operated, the other

special counsel investigating this former president. it was so conservative they never wanted to take these court fights anywhere. it'll be delayed, tied up in the courts courts are moving fast on these issues they're wasting no time. >> because you don't live at 1600 pennsylvania avenue anymore. themes the breaks. laura jarrett, thank you for your time, my friend good to see you. still ahead tonight voters in wisconsin have elected a new justice for their state supreme court. it could mean massive change in terms of how politics in the statute are run, and republicans are already trying to put a stop to it. i'll talk to wisconsin governor tammy baldwin about just that. stay with us

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if there is one place in america that embodies the idea of a swing state it is the great state of wisconsin barack obama won wisconsin twice before the state flipped to trump in 2016 and then back to joe biden in 2020. over the past 13 years wisconsin elected and then re-elected republican governor scott walker then the state elected and then re-elected democratic governor t tony evers wisconsin "o" also has one democratic senator and one republican senator the state has an even split

between democratic and republican leaning voters so every statewide election in wisconsin reflects that dead even flit, but then there's this this is the congressional delegation from wisconsin. republicans outnumber democrats three to one the same is true in their state senate and their state assembly where republicans have had overwhelming majorities for the past decade despite the fact that the state is evenly split by voters from both parties. so how is that even possible it is possible because wisconsin republicans engaged in some of the most aggressive gerrymandering in the country, building themselves almost permanent majorities this is thassembly district 73. it is a district along the state's western border, one that includes the greater metro area for neighboring duluth, minnesota. and the map on the left shows what that district used to look like the map on the right shows what it looks like now after republicans stretched the corners of the district to

include more rural, conservative areas in order to water down democratic votes it is a crystal clear example of the way that republicans have broken democracy to cement minority rule. but that may all be about to change last night wisconsin voters turned out in huge numbers to elect janet protasiewicz to the supreme court flipping to a one vote liberal majority for the first time in 15 careers now, wisconsin judicial elections are technically nonpartisan, but protasiewicz ran an unambiguous campaign and where and she made it clear she'll likely run against wisconsin's heavy gerrymandered maps and against the civil war era abortion ban that message drove wisconsin voters to the polls in droves. protasiewicz beat her opponent

by 11 points she outperformed governor evers victory in 2022 handily. despite that overwhelming result the conservative here dan kelly still found a way to win his very own race for sore loser >> this was the most deeply deceitful, dishonorable, despicable campaign i have ever seen run for the courts. it was truly beneath contempt. my opponent is a serial liar she's disregarded judicial ethics she's demeaned the judiciary with her behavior, and this is the future thatwe have to look forward to in wisconsin. >> always be generous in defeat. the republican party's hostility towards democracy is on full display here in wisconsin, but the voters in that state have

just taken the first step towards fixing it, and it all starts with ending gerrymandering if wisconsin can unwind the structural barriers republicans have put in place as small "d" democratic rule everything from protecting reproductive freedom to labor rights, all of that is back on the table in wisconsin undoing gerrymandering can even change who controls the conservative house because of this predictably republicans are doing everything they can to try to keep janet protasiewicz from rightfully taking the seat she won. i will talk to tammy baldwin about the latest scheme from republicans in her state next. n. good thing the general gives you a break when you need it. yeah, with flexible payment options to keep you covered. so today is your lucky...day [crash] so today is your lucky...day for a great low rate, go with the general.

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yesterday's wisconsin supreme court race was the most expensive state supreme court race in u.s. history, and given the absolute deluge of ads that was pretty obvious to wisconsin voters i'd bet goodmoney and a lot of it very few of those voters could tell this election was technically supposed to be nonpartisan. >> two candidates for supreme court, two very different beliefs. >> people who want to kick voters off the rolls and he supported trump's attack on our elections. >> but law enforcement's hands are tied when judges like janet

protasiewicz refuse to hold dangerous criminals accountable. >> kelly wrote social security was similar to slavery kelly wants abortion banned even in cases of rape, incest, and the health of the mother >> her bloodthirsty comrades don't care about wisconsin's values they care about making money and killing babies >> all of those ads could easily be for any race up and down the country for abortion access and other hyper-partisan concerns set to come before the wsk supreme court. this race effectively became a microcosm for our national politics now just as the people of wisconsin made their choice clear, just as it's happening republicans are already talking about trying to use their new super majority in the state senate to impeach protasiewicz to undemocratically overturn the will of the people, which also

sounds a bit like our national politics, doesn't it joining us now is wisconsin senator tammy baldwin. senator, thank you for being with us tonight. i got to for a start with this announced theory republicans may try to impeach judge protasiewicz before she really has a chance to do the work she was elected to do. do you, "a," think they'll be successful, and has the republican party in wisconsin always been this openly flagrantly anti-democratic >> it's been that way for way too long i will say that, and i think that's precisely what wisconsin voters spoke out about yesterday. wisconsin voters said we want our rights and freedoms back that had to do a lot with the freedom to choose, but it also as you pointed out has to do with access to the ballot box and getting rid of gerrymandering and all the rights and freedoms that have

been lost now well over a decade of republican rule, if you would, in the wisconsin state legislature with such gerrymandered districts. but really i just have to sit back and just take in the magnitude of last night. the voters said crisply and clearer we want our rights and freedoms back. this is a state as you know has razor thin margins in most of our state races, and janet protasiewicz won with 11 points. if there are republicans who thought the voters had simmered down on abortion rights, they got it wrong and this is a first step with the election of janet protasiewicz, and more needs to follow >> can you sort of parse the results a little bit more? i mean it sounds like you're saying abortion was the big driver here in terms of her

victory. is there a reason why we haven't seen that same -- i'm thinking of the mid-terms and thinking of m mandela barns. why do we not see that same reaction for others protecting the right to choose? >> you saw it resoundingly last night. and as you mentioned in the lead-up wisconsin has an 1849 criminal abortion ban with no exceptions for incest, rape, or the health of the mother wisconsin voters said we want our rights and freedoms back, and it shouldn't depend on what your zip code is or what your state is to have those rights and freedoms, but it also reminds us, again, this is an important first step that we must go onto pass national legislation, my women's health protection act, to not only make sure this is a national right but also to make sure that states like wisconsin can't take

the additional steps of creating hurdles and burdens and restrictions on access to abortion care. >> how do you -- i've got to ask wisconsin is such a case in it's so deeply blue and deeply red at the same time. how do you account for that? how do you talk to wisconsinites as a whole given the sharp partisan divides in the state? >> yeah, so, here's the -- here's the rub it is about the gerrymandering that makes it possible for you to say it's a red and blue state at the same time frankly, most of our state elections are determined by razor thin margins, 1% joe biden won by about 20,000 votes. and yet our state legislature is overwhelmingly lop side udly

republican this is the same electorate that the gerrymandering done by republicans last decade and this is so exquisite they control two thirds of both bodies. that is politicians choosing who their voters are rather than the converse we should be deciding who represents us, and voters do care about representation and their vote being heard and in a gerrymandered state with both state legislative and congressional districts gerrymandered they lose that voice and that vote. >> yeah, the importance of gerrymandering in terms of having a representative democracy both at the state level and the congressional level cannot be overstated in this case. it is a big deal for the state of wisconsin and the country wisconsin senator tammy baldwin, really appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you it's a pleasure to join you. >> we have one more story for you this evening hundreds of books have been pulled from the shelves of florida school libraries thanks

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unfortunately, we've seen some folbooks in some of these libraries, some of the stuff that's ended up there incredibly, incredibly disturbing stuff >> in the year since florida governor ron desantis signed that bill into law requiring school districts to review every book available to students, in the year since then florida school districts have pulled thousands of titles from classroom library shelves. some of those incredibly disturbing books include roberto clemente, pride of the pittsburgh pirates, the picture book that mentions racism. it was pulled because racism could be one of the concepts banned by desantis' law. that book was reinstated in

february, but there's also this children's book, when willma rudolf played basketball that book was eventually reinstated after a review. but the next book that could be on the chopping blocks, "the courage to be free" florida's blueprint for america's revival. florida democrats have decided to follow the pluprint desantis laid out in thaz vigly written transparency law, and they've complained to 50 counties in the state of florida about the book's potentially divisive concepts for example he uses the phrase woke and sprinkles in the phrase and also describes systemic racism and summarizes the 1619 project all of that could run afoul of desantis' very own law so far one school district

respond today florida democrats complaint saying they don't yet have the book. by my count that's one response and 49 more to go. 49 to go before we might see ron desantis author get a taste of ron desantis governor. that does it for us this evening. we'll see you again tomorrow "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next after we've seen all that yesterday, i think people think it's even more political than we thought this case never should have been brought, and what should happen now it should get dismissed. >> we're not going to stop on this nothing's changed. we believe he's overstepped. >> two top republicans in the house are promising to investigate the manhattan district attorney following the indictment of donald trump that comes as the former president is escalating his attacks on social media which now include a call to defund federal law enforcement. meanwhile mike pence will soon have to testify before a federal grand jury in one of the