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live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. breaking right now, an unprecedented move republicans trying to expel three democratic lawmakers in tennessee for protesting gun violence on the state house floor after the nashville shootings. hundreds packing the state house to protest one of the democrats being targeted calls today's vote, quote, morally insane. and court dates are on a collision course with campaign events in 2024 as attorneys for former president donald trump try to delay his trial until the primaries. the new reporting on what's happening with cases targeting trump in both georgia and d.c., and why atlanta officials are closely watching the manhattan case as it unfolds and the horrific reporting out of baltimore, a years in the making report that accuses the catholic archdiocese of turning a blind eye to hundreds of cases of child sex abuse by priests and others in the words of the attorney

general, church leaders were more concerned with avoiding scandal and negative publicity than they were with protecting children but we start with what's unfolding in nashville right this minute, unlike anything we've ever seen before in tennessee, the republican-controlled state house is moments away from expelling three of its own lawmakers because they broke the rules to protest gun laws. three democrats lead a chant in the chamber, not acknowledged by the chair. >> they were not allowing us to speak on the floor to welcome and acknowledge the protesters, acknowledge the just devastation that gun violence causes >> but the speaker of the house likens their actions, again, their actions were chanting, to the january 6th attack where people died. here he is on the local radio show >> it was an insurrection. what they did was equivalent -- at least equivalent, maybe worse

depending on how you look at it, of doing an insurrection in the capitol. >> nbc's priscilla thompson is live from nashville. i'm also joined by tim miller, writer at large at the bulwark and an msnbc political analyst, and kimberly atlas store, a colleague at the boston globe ask an msnbc analyst priscilla, i know it's noisy where you are. what can you tell us about what's happening and when might we expect that vote to happen? >> reporter: inside the gallery, lawmakers have been going about the business of the day. we do expect these votes to expel those three lawmakers to come up at the end of the session under unfinished business we thought that would happen during this hour, but the timing seems to be a bit fluid, so we are waiting to see when that vote is actually going to take place. but that is why all of these people are here today. they have been gathered just outside the door leading into the gallery for the past several

hours. there are also several hundred people and demonstrators inside the gallery looking to make their voices heard as this expulsion vote gets underway and i just spoke with two women who actually live in memphis, live new shelby county one of the districts that is represented by justin pearson, one of those lawmakers expected to be expelled today and they say this is completely unfair, that this is a failure of democracy, that the lawmaker who they voted in would be expelled by a gop-controlled legislature for acting in a protest in which they agree, and so they feel very strongly this is wrong, but of course republican lawmakers are saying that what those three democrats did was disrespectful and it dishonored the house of representatives. they said that they brought chaos and disorderly conduct onto the floor and that that simply cannot be tolerated, but we've heard these lawmakers say that, okay, maybe they lose committee assignments over this

or perhaps something like that, but that expulsion feels like a bridge too far one of them even going so far as to call it a political lynching. even as this is playing out, no one here has forgotten what started all of this. and of course that was the school shooting that occurred just last week where we saw six people lose their lives, including three 9-year-old children and still so much pain. here people have come out with their kids, there have been student groups that have organized to come out with their classmates because they say that they live in fear that something like this could happen at their school and that they expect the legislature to act on this issue. they know that it is a gop-controlled legislature, and that is why so many people feel like the few democratic voices that are in this chamber should be heard because it is their voices that they feel like are being heard or in this case they feel like are being silenced. >> priscilla, i know you want to go do some reporting

i will thank you for that and go to you, tim. one of the democrats who is at risk of expulsion was on "morning joe" today. i want to play just a little bit of what he said. >> the speaker who called these children insurrectionists, who called parents who are mourning and grieving insurrectionists. the speaker cameron sexton who is comparing the events of january 6th where over five people were killed, at least five people were killed, where dozens of police officers and law enforcement officers were beaten by people with pepper spray and batons, and that type of environment he's comparing peaceful protesters of mostly children and teenagers who are saying tennessee state lawm lawmlawmaker it's time for you to do something. tim, what is going on here >> that's a big question to answer, chris. look, it's the latest example of just how extreme, how authoritarian, you know, my former party has gotten. you know, that they would move like this. just for comparison, after the

parkland shooting in florida, you know, rick scott was a republican governor of florida it was a republican legislature. they passed red flag laws, other reasonable reforms that made sense to try to address school shootings. here we are fast forward just a few years, and you have a tennessee legislature that is proposing we arm teachers, taking anti-democratic action to silence and to expel anyone who opposes their efforts to keep extreme gun laws, expel anyone who wants to pass the types of reasonable gun laws that have, you know, maybe not as many of them as we would want, but that some have passed in red states in the past, and i just think that it's a mirror image of what we're seeing across the party all over the country, this kind of apoll gia for the insurrection and authoritarianism in these state

legislatures and just absolutely extreme policies with no interest in compromise or hearing other points of view. >> if to tim's point, kimberly, this represents an extreme change, i think it's worth looking at a little bit of history because tennessee's legislature has only expelled members a handful of times for first trying to block ratification of the 14th amendment, once for bribery, and most recently amid sexual misconduct allegations what do you see going on here? >> yeah, i see a really problematic abridgment not only of norms but of the constitution itself remember that the first amendment expressly protects the kind of activity that you're seeing here, which is the petition, the gathering to petition the government for grievances so to compare that to what happened on january 6th as has already been explained by the lawmaker, makes absolutely no sense. what it reminds me actually is

something else that happened at the capitol you recall in 2016, democratic lawmakers led by the late john lewis staged a sit-in over gun control to get a gun control bill to the floor after the shooting at the pulse nightclub in orlando so that would be like saying, well, john lewis should have lost his job for staging that sit-in on the house floor. >> and call him -- john lewis was an insurrectionist, right? that would be the equivalent >> that's the comparison that should be drawn. the fact that republicans have gone to this length to strip people -- if you broke the rules of decorum there should be consequences for that, maybe some sort of public censure or something like that that happens in washington and other places all the time. to expel them and leave hundreds of thousands of tennesseans without representation in the state house is really extreme. >> senator chris murphy, tim, who we all know in the wake of what happened at newtown became an incredibly powerful advocate

for what he would call common sense gun legislation, right, he watches what's happening, and he said, look, civility matters, but expulsion is an extreme measure of last resort, not the first step what about what kimberly just said and what we heard priscilla say, you know, somebody who voted for one of these members of the legislature who says, you know, my vote is going to be taken away now >> yeah, i mean, it's blatantly anti-democratic, and you know, we have seen now the impact of the former president, donald trump's assault on our democracy, his unapologetic assault on democracy obviously this stuff is going to travel downstream, right it isn't just going to be a one-off, if you had a presidential candidate not accept an election obviously other people are going to imitate that. we've seen that with other

election denying candidates and now we're seeing this with state legislators wanting to expel people who were democratically elected. chris murphy, i interviewed him for the bulwark a while back, and he's pushing very reasonable common sense gun laws. it's not like gun grabbing what passed last year was red flag laws for people that have past convictions or whose family feel concerned, you know, these are common sense steps that east hushing, pushing. what you're seeing on the other side is unabashed extremism. >> tim, you're going to stay with me, kimberly atkins stohr appreciate it as well. we're going dkeep folks posted n exactly what's happening there. is the republican party prepared for former president trump's criminal trial to coincide with the 2024 presidential primaries chris jansing reports will pick back up in just 60 seconds - elites.

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there are new examples today of how former president donald trump's multiple legal perils are on a collision course with the 2024 primaries as it stands, the first nominating contests kick off in february, and trump's attorneys are pushing for the manhattan hush money trial to start in the spring, butnow there's movemen being reported in cases beyond manhattan. "the washington post" reports today that the indictment decision could come within weeks in georgia and the atlanta journal constitution says state, local, and security officials are watching the hush money case as a possible dry run if there is an indictment there add that to what you first heard in this hour yesterday, mike pence agreeing to become the highest profile witness yet in the special counsel's investigation of january 6th i want to bring in former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst carol lamb and tim

miller is back with me carol, i want to start with those two other cases faces trump beyond manhattan if you're jack smith or fani willis, does the new york indictment add pressure to act are they taking anything away from watching what's happening with alvin bragg tell us how you view if and how one affects the others >> well, of course they have an eye on what's going on in new york, but does it materially affect the timing of any aspect of the other investigations or the bringing of charges? i'd have to say no the prosecutors have enough on their hands trying to figure out if they have the appropriate evidence to bring cases and whether -- whether the charges are the appropriate charges to bring, so they can't really take into account timing of other cases in other parts of the country because there's just simply too many variables. they don't know what timetable the judge in new york is going

to follow. they have some idea, but things change all the time with respect to scheduling. so my best evaluation and guess is that the prosecutors are sort of siloed. they're looking at their cases on their own merits, and they're just going to proceed as they normally would >> you know, tim, we've talked a lot about whether a trial or if the possibility comes to fruition that additional charges are brought, all of that will keep the media spotlight, right, on donald trump, but i wonder if you think that provides an opportunity for a republican to kind of take a page from what we see president biden doing who's saying i'm your no chaos, issues first candidate. or do you think for a republican when that not only white hot spotlight, but we know how donald trump takes advantage of the spotlight, when that's happening, is there no way to breakthrough >> yeah, you know, the

conventional wisdom on this is that there's no way to breakthrough, and that's what you're hearing from other pundits, analysts, republican strategists is that these things have helped trump. i kind of take a different view on that. i see how it could very much help trump that is what happened in 2016, but sometimes we're fighting the last battle. we have these focus groups that we listen to of republican voters to understand what they're thinking, and there's a big chunk of republican voters that still like trump but are getting kind of weary of all the drama, right and maybe all the rest of us were weary of it in 2016, but they weren't, they liked it. they're getting weary now. i think there's an opening if they can gain the trust of those voters, they can make the case that this guy isn't electable, there's too much baggage they can say he was a good president but his time has moved on and we should look for somebody younger, a new generation that might not work. i'm a little more bullish on that if somebody had the courage to try it than some other

analysts are >> carol, there's also some new reporting that fani willis gave a local tv interview, and in that interview she basically echoed -- she echoed what judge juan merchan said which is that, look, first amendment holds. donald trump has a right to free speech but only, she said, as long as it does not rise to the level of threats against myself, against my staff, or against my family you were a judge, a prosecutor when in your mind does criticism, protected free speech, morph into something actionable by a judge? >> i want to say how much i admire both fani willis and judge merchan in this case when i was a judge, one thing that we were repeatedly told was you do not rush into a contempt finding. so it is not like tv shows where the judge bangs his gavel and says i find you in contempt right there on the spot.

you know, the law is slow moving it is deliberative, and a lot of warning has to go to the defendant before action is taken. so i think both judge merchan and fani willis are looking very carefully at the situation there are, i'm sure, threat assessments being done on a daily basis, and it is a fairly high bar that they are going to set for taking any action against donald trump's freedom of speech. so it's a very difficult position they're in, but this is what we want from the court system this is what we want from the judicial system. we don't want people acting rashly, and as society takes on more -- more social media and things going very quickly, you have the court system, again, that moves deliberatively and moves in a reasoned way. we don't want to lose that, so as i said i think threat assessments are going on all the time if they have to take action,

they will, but they are not going to act rashly. >> carol lamb, tim miller, thank you both very much six decades of sexual abuse involving at least 600 children, the horrific new allegations against baltimore's catholic church next. and a first of its kind abortion trafficking bill just became law in idaho, the implications including possible prison time for anyone who breaksha tt new law ahead. new at using the services you want in the clouds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovate and grow. mara, are you sure you don't want -to go bowling with us tonight? -yeah. no. there's my little marzipan! [ laughs ] oh, my daughter gives the best hugs! we're just passing through on our way to the jazz jamboree. [ imitates trumpet playing ] and we wanted to thank america's number-one motorcycle insurer -for saving us money. -thank you.

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the white house, he may get questions from the press whether he answers it or not regarding this new report, we will wait and see. we're keeping our eye on this developing story. in the meantime, a new idaho law makes it illegal for an adult to help a minor get an

abortion without parental consent. it's been signed by idaho's republican governor brad little, and it can mean two to five years in prison if anyone is convicted. nbc's ali vitale has been reporting on this. charles coleman is a former prosecutor and msnbc analyst this law creates a crime called abortion trafficking what more can you tell us about it >> reporter: this is among the most restrictive laws we have seen across the country, and certainly the first of its kind which would effectively govern the way adults could help pregnant minors without the consent of parents we're not just talking about medical abortions, we're talking about medicated abortions, the abortion pill. i can put on the screen fine points here. this is the first of its kind but could be mimicked across the country, especially in conservative legislatures. what we're talking about here is anyone who helped pregnant minors access to abortion, they

could face two to five years in jail, in cases that could be prosecuted up to four years after the time that these alleged trafficings are committed. we're talking about traveling to other states where abortion is legal there, and it includes accessing the abortion pill and can apply to medical providers referring someone across state lines, so we're not just talking about a friend of a family helping a minor whose parents don't consent to this drive across state lines to a place where it's legal or drive to pick up the abortion pill in a state where it's legal we're also talking about medical providers who might give those pills to patients or those referrals to patients. those are also people who could be targeted in this bill i think the other piece of it that's important here is if local prosecutors say that they are lacking the evidence to prosecute these cases, the bill also says the state attorney general, raul labrador, could pick up these prosecutions themselves, and that's something that's important that charles can speak to as well

again, it's one of the most restrictive things we've seen. when you think about the post ro landscape, it's the kind of thing abortion advocates have been concerned about because it's not just a question about what a state can restrict, but also the ways they are trying to impede people's ability to travel to states where abortion is still legal. >> it's backing into it. it was what ali pointed out, one of the things that struck me about this law, they're saying, look, if a local prosecutor, and maybe they have a different point of view or they operate in an area that maybe is more liberal. >> sure. >> than the folks who wrote this bill that's fine. you don't want to prosecute it, the state attorney general will. >> chris, this bill is troubling on a number of different levels, and i'll tell you why, from a legal standpoint, i think when you're talking about the individual notion of prosecutorial discretion, prosecutors have the choice of whether they want to move forward on charges or not and what this bill basically says is if i as a local prosecutor

decide this is not worth it from an evidentiary standpoint or contrary to the interest of justice, what you as a state attorney general are going to do is take that decision away from me and take that out of my hands. it underminesthe authority of individual prosecutors at the local level and i find that to be very disconcerting because effectively what that does is undermines the authority and the power of the voters who put those prosecutors into office. >> big picture, do you see grounds for challenges here? >> i do. one of the biggest things i saw that was interesting to me about this law in idaho, you cannot stop someone's constitutional right to travel from state to state and so the idaho law only infringes on the basic legality of what the travel is in the state of iowa because they cannot regulate what happens on the other side of the border the question i have as a former prosecutor is how are you going to establish the intelligent necessary in order to prove that is an actual crime because you don't necessary know or may not know why someone chose to leave the state, such that you're

charging for being illegal on that side. that's a big issue. >> charles coleman and ali vitale, thanks to both of you. appreciate it. you are completely alone, that's how the "wall street journal" describes the prison holdinevg an gershkovich a reporter behind that story joins me just ahead.

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shocking and disturbing new details in a long-awaited and nearly 500 page report from the maryland attorney general. it details the sexual abuse and torture of at least 600 children in baltimore's catholic archdiocese by 150 priests and others dating all the way back to the 1940s there are devastating descriptions of how abusers would exploit the trust of the children, telling their victims

that the abuse was, quote, god's will or threatening that the victim or victim's family would go to hell if they told anyone nbc's anne thompson is covering this story from rome also with us msnbc papal analyst christopher white. what more have we learned from this report, and have we heard anything from the victims reacting to it >> reporter: first of all, chris, this report covers a period of time from the 1940s to 2002, and i think what i found most gut wrenching was that in several parishes in the archdiocese of baltimore there was not just one abuser or two abusers or even three abusers, but in one case 11 abusers over a period of time from 1964 to 2002 that was at st. mark's parish in

catonsville, maryland. that is the thing that separates this from the pennsylvania grand jury report that came out in 2018 and subsequent reports that have been done the second thing is this report is already having an impact. for years, victims and survivors in the state of maryland have tried to get the statute of limitations lifted for lawsuits that they could file, civil lawsuits they could file against their abusers. they could not get it done until this year. in fact, just this past week the maryland legislature passed that, and we understand -- we reached out to the governor's office today he says he will sign that bill, but no date has been set and that certainly is a big victory for survivors. chris. >> anne thompson, thank you so much for that. we appreciate it, chris, look, beyond even the horror of what is in this report, hundreds of children, this report lays out as anne just said the sheer

extent, not just the number of victims, the number of people in a single parish, but also the extent to which the baltimore catholic church tried to cover this up. first of all, have we heard any reaction from the vatican, and is there a sense that things have been done since 2002 to make sure that this kind of cover-up doesn't happen again? >> chris, today nothing has been said by the vatican, and frankly, i don't think we will hear anything. historically the vatican does not comment on individual cases or specific reports, and this of course is something that abuse victims really find appalling because they want a reaction typically, though, the vatican wants to defer to the local bishops conference or even the local bishop to sort of handle and get out in front of the issue. since 2002, that was of course

after the boston globe spotlight series, there have been a number of measures both in the united states and at the vatican to effectively have a zero tolerance policy against abusive priests. that's been a hard-fought sort of victory for abuse survivors who want that. the question is how effective is this you know, on paper the laws and regulations look good. victims would say the implementation is often, you know, is something lacking >> so i know that recently, chris, the pope updated a law that holds senior church men accountable for covering up any cases of abuse also expanding it to cover lay c catholic leaders and notably, saying that vulnerable adults can also be victims of abuse tell us a little bit more about that and how significantly it's viewed >> yeah, i think, you know, in 2019, which came after the

pennsylvania grand jury report and after the case of cardinal mccarrick, the former cardinal and archbishop of washington, d.c., who was revealed to be a serial abuser. pope francis realized he had to take action on a global level. he called all the leaders of bishop conferences around the world to rome. one big outcome of that was this new church law saying that religious superiors and bishops have to both report abuse and its cover-up so again, this is considered -- it was considered at the time revolutionary in terms of church law, but again, the implementation is thought to have been lagging. so by making this law permanent, i think the pope is trying to give it more teeth and again, this is a sense of him wading into the #metoo movement to say adults can be victims too and the church is called to take this seriously. >> christopher white in rome, thank you so much. appreciate it. new concerns today that china could retaliate as

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releasing the after action report on the withdrawal from afghanistan. i want to go to nbc's mike memoli who joins us from the white house and who along with several of his colleagues broke this story just a short time ago. tell us what we're expecting here >> reporter: well, chris, according to multiple administration officials, what we're seeing now from the white house today is the formalization of what's called the after action report. this is the internal review considered administration wide for what the mistakes, lessons learned, and a real detailed accounting of the decisions leading up to and following the president's decision to order the withdrawal of the remaining u.s. forces from afghanistan this is a report that had been long expected and i should add, long delayed it's one that now the pentagon is sending to capitol hill in a classified form. they're also releasing ten pages, which will be unclassified detailing what these lessons are. we will have more information about those once we hear from kirby at the podium, but this is

a significant moment coming from the white house about what really does stand as one of the real black marks on president biden's time in office so far. we remember those moments in august of 2021 watching those horrific scenes as individuals were being attempted to evacuate from kabul after the decision to withdraw, the rapid taliban advance that included, of course, ultimately the taking of afghanistan's capital, a decision by the administration, by the president to send more u.s. troops back into afghanistan to help facilitate the withdrawal of not just americans but those siv holders, especially immigrant visas, those afghans who were partners for the u.s. during that longest war in afghanistan and the very tragic moment towards the end of that process when american military officials were -- lost their lives when there was a terrorist bombing at the abbey gate there at the airport. and so there will be more details shortly, chris, and we'll hear from admiral kirby

directly about some of the top lines of them. but long-awaited answers that not just members of the administration have been hoping to get out, but members especially now of that new republican majority in congress have been pressing for as we see this new accountability mode, republicans have been demanding answers from the administration. we've already seen a number of administration military officials testify about this before capitol hill, and now the administration putting out its own stamp on this. >> as you know, mike, when this decision was made -- and by the way, john kirby was one of the people we heard talking about it throughout the course of it -- there was pretty strong support among the american people for the withdrawal of afghanistan. i know it was a majority of americans in polls at the time it was the withdrawal, obviously, and the things you just mentioned that went wrong that drew bipartisan criticism what are some of the things you're going to be looking for, the questions you're going to look to be answered with this after action report? >> reporter: well, remember, chris, a lot of what we were

hearing from the biden administration at the time and in the months that followed were fingers dressed at the trump administration, pointing to the fact that they felt that their hands were essentially tied by a number of decisions including that accord that was reached between the trump administration and representatives from the afghan government and the taliban, which required, as the biden administration frequently put it, the withdrawal of those forces, that the u.s. was faced in a really difficult decision whether to withdraw the remaining 2,500 u.s. service members who were in afghanistan in 2021 or face the very real possibility that those u.s. military presence would be the target of afghan taliban -- >> i'm going to interrupt you, mike, because john kirby is taking to the podium let's listen. >> i want to start today by updating you on the administration's work to assess the withdrawal from afghanistan. as you all know, over these many months departments and agencies key to the withdrawal conducted

thorough internal after action reviews. each of them examining their decision-making processes as well as how those decisions were executed today they are making those reviews available to relevant committees in the senate and in the house as previewed by secretaries blinken and austin in testimony last month. those reviews as karine said rightly fed into a process looking across the administration so today we are making available to all of you and to the public a document that provides our perspectives on the withdrawal and outlines in broad strokes some of what we learned as well as how we are already implementing some of those lessons. that document will be posted to the white house website at the conclusion of my briefing. i'd like to take some time, if you'll allow me, to provide you an overview. first and most critically, the president's decision to end the war in afghanistan was the right one. the united states had long ago accomplished its mission to remove from the battlefield the

terrorist who attacked us on 9/11 and to degrade the terrorist threat to the united states from afghanistan, and now with that war over, we can more squarely address the most pressing challenges of our day america is on a stronger, strategic footing, more capable to support ukraine and to meat our security commitments around the world as well as the competition with china because it is not fighting a ground war in afghanistan of course we continue to address terrorist threats which, as the president accurately assessed, had migrated to other parts of the world through effective, over the horizon operations including those that took out the leaders of al qaeda and isi isis while it was always the president's intent to end that war, it is also undeniable that decisions made and the lack of planning done by the previous administration significantly limited options available to

him. president biden inherited a forced presence in afghanistan of some 2,500 troops that was the lowest since 2001 he inherited a special immigrant visa program that had been starved of resources, and he inherited a deal struck between the previous administration and the taliban that called for the complete removal of all u.s. troops by may of 2021 or else the taliban, which had stopped its attacks while a deal was in place, would go back to war against the united states. the president's transition team asked to see plans for that removal. they asked to see plans for a security transition to the afghan government, and they asked to see plans to increase the processing of special immigrant visas. none were forthcoming. transitions matter that's the first lesson learned here, and the incoming administration wasn't afforded much of one. thus, president biden's choice

was stark, either withdraw all our forces or resume fighting with the taliban he chose the former. but even in so doing, secured extra time to conduct that withdrawal stretching it out to august, and that's the second point worth making despite having his options curtailed, president biden led a deliberate, rigorous, and inclusive decision-making process that was responsive to facts on the ground. he focused keenly on the need for proper planning. in fact, president biden directed his top national security leaders to begin planning for a withdrawal even before he had made the final decision to leave afghanistan. he ordered troop reduction plans, plans to turn over bases and equipment to the afghan government, as are the previous administration had negotiated. plans to draw down our diplomatic presence, and plans to evacuate both american citizens and afghan allies alike. indeed, evacuation planning started in spring of 2021, and the president ordered additional military forces pre-positioned

in the region by mid summer in case they were ever needed throughout, president biden insisted that his team plan for worst-case scenarios such as the fall of kabul, even though the intelligence community's assessment when he was making the decision in early 2021 was that taliban advances would accelerate only after the withdrawal of u.s. forces. the president repeatedly requested assessments of the trajectory of the conflict from his military and his intelligence professionals no agency predicted a taliban takeover in nine days. no agency predicted the rapid fleeing of president ghani who had indicated to us his intent to remain in afghanistan up until he departed on the 15th of august, and no agency predicted that the more than 300,000 trained and equipped afghan national security and defense forces would fail to fight for their country. especially after 20 years of american support in fact, the assessment was that

the promotion of acting defense minister would actually strengthen their resolve to stay and fight. and so another lesson learned was the need to plan early and extensively for low probability, high risk scenarios. i should note here that our experiences in afghanistan informed our decision to set up a small group of experts for worst-case scenario planning on ukraine, which included simulation exercises and our ability to forcefully and plainly speak publicly about the risks we saw of a pending invasion now, look, there's always going to be tension between highlighting warning signs that a country may collapse and under undermun undermining that same government that's a difficult balance to are strike but in ukraine and before that in ethiopia for that matter, we prioritized earlier drawdowns of our personnel when each of those capitals were under threat in fact, months before russia's

invasion we released intelligence with trusted partners and our warnings about the invasion grew louder and more public. this aggressive approach allowed us to organize with our allies and help enable americans in ukraine to depart safely and just to remind, we continue to facilitate the safe departures of americans from afghanistan when they tell us they are ready to leave, and we have proudly welcomed nearly 100,000 of our afghan partners and their family members to the united states. many of these families left afghanistan after the withdrawal, and they continue to arrive on a regular basis. now, i'd be remiss here if i did not also express our gratitude to the many private and nonprofit groups including those comprising veterans of the war who helped us identify, contact, and arrange for the safe transport of thousands of these brave afghans. without their help or the incredible assistance we received from countries in europe and the middle east that allowed us to use their

facilities as weigh stations, we could not have moved as many people as quickly as we did, and that's yet another lesson that we learned this one about the power of allies, partners, and friends. now, we know we need more help, which is why we urge congress to assist us in approving the special immigrant visa program and by passing the afghan adjustment act, both of which will make it easier for us to keep meeting our commitments to our afghan allies. no comments, none, about this withdrawal would be complete without mention of the deadly attack on the abbey gate at hamid karzai international airport on the 26th of august. the president at the time made it clear to operational commanders that force protection remain his highest priority. in those tense days when the threat was particularly high, he accepted the recommendation of his national security team to extend the time line for evacuations only after his senior military officials

confirmed that they had sufficient resources and authorities to mitigate threats including those threats posed by isis he trusted the best judgment of his leaders on the ground to make all operational decisions including with regard to abbey g gate the president and the first lady will always honor the sacrifices of the 13 service members who were killed in that attack, and we will never forget their families >> so there we're hearing at least the beginning of what we expect to see from this report, the after action report on afghanistan, and the chaotic withdrawal frankly that at the time received a lot of bipartisan criticism among those who were critics were members of the military, veterans who had fought in afghanistan. let me bring in nbc's mike memoli back with us, also joining us from the pentagon national security and global affairs reporter dan deluce.

talk a little bit about how this has hung over in many ways the foreign policy of this administration, you heard at least at the beginning, the idea that, frankly, the biden administration inherited from the trump administration the lack of a plan, the lack of a transition, but ultimately, of course, the buck ends in the oval office. >> well, chris, we remember so clearly when ron klain, the former white house chief of staff stepped down from his post just in the last few months. he did say on multiple occasions that the darkest day of his tenure and of the president's tenure thus far was that day in late august when we lost more than a dozen service members, hundreds of afghans at that attack on abbey gate, that that was really one of the most difficult moments in this pres presidency, and if we look simply at the polling data, the president enjoyed strong support throughout most of his first eight months in office in the 50 and above range pretty steadily,

and this clumsily and chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan did prove to be a real blow to the public confidence in what had been one of president biden's chief arguments as a candidate, was that he was a seasoned statesman who could manage the affairs of government in a much different way than donald trump. and that's why, chris, i'm so struck now i'm holding up the 12-page unclassified version of what this review led to, and on multiple occasions in this -- over the course of those 12 pages, there's a very clear exercise of finger pointing to the trump administration for leading to some of the conditions that the biden administration had to uphold on page 1, president biden's choices for how to execute a withdrawal from afghanistan were severely constrained by the conditions created by his predecessor. it goes on from there, and so that's one very early takeaway as we begin to pore through this report. >> let me pick up on that

because there is going to be a lot of questioning, particularly by folks who have looked at this in a deep dive, whether they're in think tanks, there in the halls of congress, about what can you learn and if indeed this can be -- the blame can be laid at the feet of the trump administration and to what extent what's your takeaway from what you've seen and what you've heard so far >> yeah, really reinforcing what mike is saying what's really striking is that you don't have a really acknowledgment of mistakes being made really. it's really a full-throated defense of how they handled the entire affair, and it's also an argument that the withdrawal decision was correct, and they seem to conflate the decision to withdraw u.s. troops with how they managed the actual evacuation and of course there are many members of congress, including democrats, who were very unhappy and very critical of how that

withdrawal and evacuation was handled, and so there are still many questions after this presentation of this after action report. and again, this also contradicts, it looks like, the military's after action reports that came out about a year ago those were released, and what you saw there was military commanders extremely frustrated, feeling that there was disorganized, that elements of the state department were botching elements of the evacuation as well so i don't think this is going to resolve the discussion. one debate is whether the u.s. should have withdrawn. then there's this other debate about how that exit was managed. >> an important distinction, dan de luce, thank you as well i just want to note as we continue to listen to john kirby, and we'll get back to you if there's any other news that is made there, but important to point out that while he's answering questions, president biden is about to leave. i think about two hours, two and

a half hours from you he's going to leave the white house and head to camp david this is a holiday weekend. he is a devout catholic. we're not expecting him to have any public events today or tomorrow, although it's possible