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for those people who have suffered with you for a larger more important goal. to add to that, i want to point out that president biden has tweeted about what we have been covering for the last hour, the expulsion of democrats in nashville. three kids and three officials gunned down in yet another mass shooting and what do the gop officials focus on punishing lawmakers who joined thousands of peaceful protesters calling for action it's shocking, undemocratic, and without precedent. i hope the president puts more pressure on the house to do more that does it for me. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> the week after a mass shooting plagued our community, the most direct action this legislative body takes or should
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i say my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, are taking is to expel us for speaking about the issues of weapons of war on our streets. >> as protests raged outside the tennessee house chamber, republicans carry out their despicable act of expelling that democratic legislator, who wanted nothing more than to protect children from being murdered at school something republicans refuse to do now, expelled state representative justin jones who you just saw joins me moments from now and we begin tonight with an unprecedented and frankly shameful day in american politics the tennessee house took up resolutions to expel three democratic lawmakers, not for breaking any laws, mind you. they moved to expel these members for standing in the well of the chamber despite being
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ruled out of order by the speaker, and attempting to speak loudly against gun violence. and against children being shot dead in schools. something that literally just happened weeks ago in nashville. these three members were standing in alliance with gun reform supporters, including hundreds of students who packed the gallery, hoping, hoping and prayer that the legislature would take up a gun reform plan. instead, this was the plan to expel the members who stood up for gun reform. one state representative, justin jones, was expelled this afternoon. while late today, state representative gloria johnson survived expulsion by one vote a third lawmaker, justin pearson, still faces a vote at this hour. republicans likened the actions of these three lawmakers to the january 6th insurrectionists here are the three democrats
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arriving at the tennessee capitol this morning they are now referred to as the tennessee three. their call for gun safety legislation comes in the wake of that school shooting in nashville, when three children and three caregivers were gunned down at their school minutes from the state capitol chants from protesters were audible throughout the session today, both inside and outside the chamber. by young people, some of whom can't even vote yet, but who are demanding action on the astronomical increase in gun violence at schools. hundreds of advocates, students, young people, and parents, gathered this morning as they have been every day since the shooting in what is literally a fight foo the capitol, flooding the state house to channel their terror into action. a burden this country continuously places on these very young shoulders while republicans focus instead on the extremely rare,
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extraordinary, and anti-democratic action to silence their opponents. one of the tennessee three, gloria johnson, a former school teacher, took to the floor ahead of the expulsion vote that she barely survived. >> respect the human dignity of every citizen in the state of tennessee. and not just the ones that look like you and not just the ones that agree with you. we have done so much damage up here to vulnerable communities this year. and now we're doing damage by not addressing the concerns of the families and the children. >> but it was justin jones who represents the district in nashville where last month's shooting took place who was ultimately expelled. and here is what he had to say moments before the vote. >> we shall not bow, that's what i say to the house speaker, that we shall not bow, because what is disorderly as a body that has
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used voter suppression and rigged maps to take control of our state. what is disorderly is a body that silences the voices of nashville at the congressional level, at the city council level, now trying to remove us at the legislative level that's disorderly to democracy that is disruptive to what we have an obligation to uphold >> and joining me now is state representative justin jones of nashville. and representative jones, i watched this, i spent the day watching this, watching what was happening with this hearing and watching you, and you were extraordinary, by the way. but what i found really remarkable was how small and mundane the arguments were to expel you. you were talking about the idea that you weren't there to make friends or to bow down to your colleagues on the other side and they were talking about decorum and the rules of order i want to show an image of what happened on the day in question.
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this was what, if we can put it up, this was what was happening on the floor when the three of you went to the well of the chamber. i think it's important for you to explain what happened and why you all went to the floor. >> yes, thank you so much, ms. reid we went to the floor because multiple times we were silences talking about the crisis of gun violence, the thousands of young people out here demanding we act on i'm the youngest black lawmaker in the state of tennessee, representing one of the most diverse districts, so i went to the well to speak for my constituents, particularly the young people whose voices are not heard by the body, who are so beholden by the nra that they're not listening to young people who say we want to be safe in school, we want to ban assault weapons. >> just to be clear, today, gloria johnson, who did end up surviving her expulsion attempt, she made the point, and you made the point as well, that today,
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what we all watched as we all watched, i watched it online, and those who were able to see it on air, what we saw, she said, and i think you indicated was not the way that that house chamber normally operates. that everyone getting to speak, everyone getting five minutes, everyone getting a chance to say their piece, can you explain, is that the way it normally goes under this speaker and in that house? >> i mean, the nation, the world was watching tennessee, which is why they were on their best behavior, but even under their best behavior, you saw the disdain, the arrogance, you know, basically had a member call me an uppity negro. this is the behavior of our body even with the nation watching them, even with the world watching, you see the assault on democracy that happened in the most extreme example was my expulsion, because it's not about me, it's about the 78 people i represent these young people, you know, one of the most diverse districts being silenced because they're upset that we don't fall
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in line to their narrative of what tennessee should be that's a multiracial democracy >> indeed. some of the most extraordinary moments, you had one member, the only non-white member in the house majority, lecturing you, he's indian american, to say you should be happy to be there and just join with us and essentially behave yourself. there was another member you alleged said to you that you were a disgrace, and essentially called you uppity but wouldn't do it when you put your phone up and said say that again on camera i believe he might have been one of the sponsors of the resolution what is the atmosphere like, being a 27-year-old, both you, the two justins are both 27. being a young black legislator in that body, what is it normally like for you all? >> i mean, this is a very hostile environment, but more importantly, it's hostile to democracy. so what you see in there, they're saying you should feel grateful to be here. they didn't put me here, the
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people of my district put me here that's what they were trying to undo from the time i walked in in january, i was made to feel like i shouldn't be welcome here because i was arrested in this building over 14 times trying to remove a kkk statute we finally removed where we're standing my colleagued on the other side of the aisle from the day i walked in did not want me here today, they overturned democracy, they set a very dangerous precedent for the nation of expelling a duly-elected lawmaker because of first amendment activity this has never happened in tennessee history. it's never happened, you know, in any of the examples of expulsions i gave, including unethical and criminal behavior. there have only been three expulsions from the house in over 200 years they set a precedent, being the first lawmaker, the first young black lawmaker expelled for speaking for my constituents >> you talked about, i mean, someone has peed in the seat of another member and not been expelled
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there have been people accused of sexual assault, serial sexual assault in that chamber. you know, crimes, and it seems that the one thing that this legislature cannot stand, cannot stomach, are young black lawmakers who speak for their constituents can you talk about theyou talk e protesters you were speaking for them, and there were a lot of protesters outside on the day in question, the day that you went down with that bull horn and were trying to have your say, because as you said, you couldn't what did those young protesters want what were they saying, what were they chanting? what did they want you to do >> i mean, there were thousands of young people. this is the largest protest we have seen in nashville in over a decade it's so shameful, morally insane that a week after a mass shooting impacted my community, i represent a part of nashville, here in nashville, we had a mass shooting at covenant elementary, and my colleagues' first response is to expel lawmakers for standing with our constituents, to expel me for being a voice for my district,
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and particularly, these young people who are gathered here begging us, many of them can't even vote yet, but they will vote one day but no matter if they can vote or not, they have a right to be heard, and they have a right to feel safe in their schools, free from the terror of mass shootings and this proliferation of weapons of war on our streets of tennessee >> president biden has responded to what happened i don't think i have it in front of me. what would you like to see at a national level i think the country, those who care about -- there it is, these officials gunned down in yet another mass shooting and what do thegop officials focus on punishing lawmakers who joined peaceful protesters calling for action this is a state issue. they can make their own rules, but at a national level, what would you want to see the response being, and what do your constituents, what do you think they would like to see >> i mean, this is the very dangerous precedent for the nation so we hope that the nation will continue to see what's going on
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here and support what's happening in tennessee because if you didn't tell me this was happen to me, i would think it was 1963 instead of 2023 because what we're seeing is predominantly white supermajority undoing democracy, forcing their will on my district, so we see a direct assault on democracy, on our right to free expression, on our right to representation. we hope that the nation will come, the department of justice may need to look at this i have been speaking to counsel and we're going to look at what are our next steps legally i do believe that is unconstitutional, a violation of the rights of not just me but of my constituents and that's the most important thing, i did not go to that well in my individual capacity i went there as a representative of 78,000 tennesseans whose voices are now silent. >> what do you do next you said, you know, it was very eloquently said. if you kick me out of here, i'm going to be right back outside with my people, with those
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protesters who are demanding gun reform what is your next step because my understanding is you could in theory run for the seat again. one of the republican lawmakers, i think trying to think it made sense, he could run again and we couldn't expel him again for the same thing you could run again, but do you understand what happens now? could the district or could the city council or the council in your district appoint a replacement for you? does that have to be a democrat? what do you think happens next, and do you want to run for the seat again >> again, this is such unprecedented territory for tennessee. there is a process of filling the vacancy that i have spoken to some people about i'm looking at legal venues. i don't know what's the next step for me personally what they did was shocking and it should shock the nation but like i said, i'm going to be out here with the people who continue to demand common sense gun laws, who will continue to hold the supermajority accountable. and i'll stand with the people
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of tennessee because what happened today is a very dangerous step toward authoritarianism that we should all be afraid of you hear the people booing, reacting to what's going on. we have been here since 8:00 a.m. and we nide to continue to keep a spotlight on this it sets the tone for the days ahead. >> and lastly, i have to let you go, we hear all that booing. we can see the other justin, justin pearson, who is on the dais right now are you three going to stick sno together we did see gloria johnson survive the vote by one vote are you three, you're being called the tennessee three are you all going to stick together on this because she survived it. she's still in the chamber >> we are united we are the tennessee three you know, we're intergenerational, multiracial we stand together. they may try to divide and conquer us, but we know when they went after one of us, they went after all of us we stand united in the state
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we're some of the most progressive voices in our legislature, or i was, and we'll continue to voice those issues it's about the narrative of tennessee that is not this madness that we saw toot that's not the system of white supremacy but about multiracial democracy and human rights and listening to the voices of young people who will transform the state and make sure this is not the ultimate scene, there's a reckoning coming with young people out here to take back control from these extremists who hijacked the legislature, who hijacked the people's house. >> there is a reckoning happening. you have not said a lie. there is a reckoning happening and it's your generation that is forcing it, so do not stop this country needs change, and you all are the generation who can get it i want to thank now former tennessee state representative justin jones thank you, thank you, thank you. please keep in touch with us i also want to thank priscilla thompson, our wonderful reporter, who has been on hand
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all day and who helped us make sure that that interview happened we were going to also have representative gloria johnson on, still representative she had to go back into the chamber to explain all of the logistics and take you behind the scenes we have much more on the major developing story in tennessee when "the reidout" continues after this quick break for people living with h-i-v, keep being you. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your doctor about all the medicines and supplements you take,
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my prayer to you is that even if you expel me, that you
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still act to address the crisis of mass shootings because if i'm expelled here, i'll be back out there with the people every week demanding that you act if you expel me, i'll continue to show up because this issue is too important. i talk to too many students and mothers in tears this week who said thank you for doing something, colleagues. the world is watching. >> we are back with more on the attack on democracy happening right before our eyes, today in tennessee. joining me is reverend mark thompson, and britney cunningham, msnbc political analyst and host of the undistracted podcast thank you for being here mark, i want to start with you you were in that chamber give us a sense of the atmosphere inside and out today. >> it's been incredible. first of all, thanks for having
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me as you saw in the background, we heard from our brother justin, he was just upstairs from me i came down so i could hear. i'm one level below, but thunderous noise, and it's still ongoing and it's going to continue to go on. people are outside in the streets. this has been an incredible day. it's really been quite a day i know gloria johnson survived, thankful for that. we'll see what happens with justin pearson, but for these republicans in tennessee to do this, and for them to be so evangelical and as bible thumping as they are, to not realize the irony in trying to expel three today on the eve of the day when tomorrow, when three were crucified simply for standing up for what is right and trying to end gun violence in this country very proud of justin he's a generation behind me, but we came up in the same church
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with james lawson, and marion barry, nonviolence for the national sit-in movement so justin is really following in the footsteps of those great people, and i couldn't be prouder of my young brother. >> britney, one of the things i definitely noted is a generational difference. in this state. it was a state where the klan was founded. it was also the place where the nashville student movement, as mark was talking about, was founded. there's a lot of history here. obviously, memphis, tennessee, has its own dark history in had civil right movement i think about that and the nashville student movement in particular there were members, there are other black members in that body, but they're a generation older than beyond mark thompson. they're a generation older and there was a lot of talk about grace. like, we know the young people got a little bit excited we know they had different methods that were a little bit loud, but let's have grace for
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them that argument of grace struck me in a very -- as very odd, as a very odd way to talk about the stripping of democracy from 200,000 constituents, and i wonder, you as a young activist, how that struck you, that strange sort of generational difference between justin jones and this older guard sort of call for grace >> you know, i understand a bit of the calculus, as reverend mark was just talking about, my dear friend was just saying. there's an understanding that we are in holy week, even though we're watching something deeply unholy happening an understanding that kind of bible belt, bible thumping mentality may be an opportunity to make an appeal, an appeal on grace, an appeal on so-called forgiveness, but personally, i don't feel that there's any forgiveness necessary because nothing wrong was done the only wrong done was the continued inaction and distraction that the tennessee gop has been pursuing during this hearing before now and what
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they'll continue to do after now. look, there is a clear call from young people and older people all across this nation who recognize that every single place in this country should be safe especially the places where we send our children to learn joy, you know, i have a 15-month-old and i'm so deeply concerned for the future and the present i'm sending him into, worried every day about when he should start school and day care because i never know when i'm going to pick up the phone or open my email and get that message that there is an active shooter on his campus. so really, the question that i have and that i heard others in that chamber ask, that i heard the tennessee three ask, is why are you not outraged why is your concern decorum instead of the life of innocent children why is your outrage not palpable, why were you not here in the well with us? we should all be outraged. there's a clear solution to diminish gun violence and mass
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shootings in this country by banning assault weapons and not only does the gop across the country refuse to do that, they stand in active way of that happening and take it so far as to silence the voices of the constituents and representatives woo want to see that happen. quite frankly, yes, there can be a gap, but i understand the calculus of asking for that grace, but really, we should be embarrassing the folks who are not outraged by this because it is absolutely outrageous >> let me play quickly, this is gloria johnson, because there was a difference between the way at least the first two of these representatives were treated here is gloria johnson sb explaining in her own words why she thinks she survived when justin jones did not >> why do you feel like there was a difference in the outcome between you and your colleague >> i will answer your question it might have to do with the color of our skin. >> let me bring in nbc's priscilla thompson, our heroic reporter who did help to make sure that we got justin jones earlier. i want to thank you for that
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i don't know if you were able to talk to any of the republican members. and if they had some explanation as to why they decided to spare gloria johnson, the only white member of the tennessee three, and expel expeditiously justin jones, while not even finishing full debate. they cut off debate in order to get to it. >> yeah, we have not been able to speak to any of the republican lawmakers yet they're expected to speak after all of this wraps up today that certainly is going to be one of the questions we are going to be asking i will tell you that people in this crowd here are echoing the feeling that representative johnson shared, which is was this something that happened because of race? and of course, republicans here have said that that is not the case, that this is about decorum, but it does pose the question when you have one black man that has been expelled and one non-black woman, white woman that has not been expelled
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you heard representative jones in there calling this a political lynching he has talked -- he accused republicans of trying to treat him like an uppity negro, someone who needed to be put in this place so those questions are certainly swirling here as we wait to see what the fate of representative pearson will ultimately be that is certainly not lost upon people here, as these protesters continue to stay here and see how all this is going to play out. they have been here since early this morning, chanting and making sure that their voices are heard, even from outside of the chamber, as they seek to stand in solidarity with these lawmakers. joy. >> thank you, priscilla thompson thank you. wave your hands if anything happens that you think we need to know about. let me bring back -- go back to mark and brittney. let me play justin pearson, we haven't heard him but she's speaking now let me play a clip of what he's had to say
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justin pearson >> there's been a refrain and a song going around in this movement ♪ power to the people ♪ ♪ power to the people ♪ ♪ power to the people ♪ but there's something that tells me it is not the rules being broken it was what we were advocating for that folks have gotten very upset about. that we were advocating for people who have been murdered in our communities. >> mark thompson, you know i'm working on a medgar evers project right now. i feel like 1963 was such a year of pain and tragedy in the civil rights movement. it was the year that medgar evers was assassinated, but his offense, even according to the naacp he worked for at the national level, is he wanted to empower the young people, that he wanted to side with them when they wanted to do sit-ins and they wanted to do a birmingham style movement the way they saw
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sncc and other movements growing up, that he wanted to support that there was this sense that the young people were out of control. the young people didn't want to patiently wait and allow segregation to continue. they wanted it over now, they wanted freedom now, and this was disruptive it feels like tennessee decided to go back there they would rather go ahead and be back in 1963 again. what i saw in that body was a throwback in the same way they're doing in florida, to throw back to an era when young black folks had no power but they seem in my mind to have empowered those three, those tennessee three, more than they dissempowered them >> i would agree with you, but even on generational peace and hearing justin pearson sing, he's invoking some of our history. he gets the generational aspect and does not shun ourpast, our ancestry you talk about 60 years ago, many of the young people that the naacp was angry about looked
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like the three of us, but upstairs in the rotunda, it's a majority of young people, and the majority of those young people are in fact white so for priscilla to acknowledge that this discussion about race and how gloria johnson got a pass is even permeating among them is significant. this is a bigger movement. this is black and white and brown and red, every group of people, because people are sick of us losing our young people, losing our old people to this gun violence the governor of this state signed open carry law at the baretta plant, at the baretta headquarters here in tennessee that's appalling so they embrace this type of gun violence they don't want to do anything about it, so they're going to punish those who are going to stand against it >> as i said earlier on nicolle's show, they just want these young folks to shut up and die and accept you can meet death at school, at the walmart, at church. you're just going to have to shut up and accept that you may die at any moment because we
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love these guns more than we love you britney packnic cunningham, i know you're also a former teacher. i would love you to talk in this moment about this willingness, this sort of open willingness, as mark was just saying, of these lawmakers to ignore the tragedy that just happened you know, i don't even know that the burials have taken place for these six people who died in an elementary school, and this body is so eager to get about the business of expelling people, expanding gun ownership, banning drag shows as if there is nothing they can do to keep their own constituents alive if you try to keep them alive, you gotta go >> i mean, joy, you just hit the nail on the head, right? this talk of decorum was an intentional and purposeful distraction from evelyn and mike and william and katherine and cynthia and hallie, the six people who were just massacred in their state
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six people who represent families and neighborhoods and communities that are supposed to be represented with love and care by those who sit in that chamber, but instead, they used decorum as a distraction, not just because they don't want to do anything about it or they can't do anything about it, but because the money that lines their pockets does not allow them to do anything about it when you are bought and sold by the nra, you're not particularly going to put yourself in a position that would stop these kind of massacres. and frankly, this is not the first kind of massacre we have seen of children i remember thinking after sandy hook, if this did not transform gun control across this country then we are not going to turn back now, unfortunately. if the massacre of those children was not enough, then the massacre of any children would not be enough. and as a former teacher, i remember teaching my third graders in washington, d.c. about dr. king, about the importance of justice, about the
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importance of doing what representative pearson talked about, insuring that the movement for justice doesn't die because you can't kill the heart for justice. i also remember teaching them what dr. king said about the wearing -- being aware, rather, of those who are more committed to order than they are to justice. that's exactly what we have seen in this chamber today, and that commitment to order is a shield to make sure their pockets stay lined and that their real constituents, the nra and gun lobby, stay happy. >> amen, and then they'll go to ch church on easter sunday and pretend to be holy, knowing in their hearts they have lost control of their children, because to your point that you made, mark, those little woke people outside of there are young, they are white, and that is the reason they don't want history taught in our schools, because they have lost control of their children because their children are smart enough to want to live your thoughts. i'm going to give you the last
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word, reverend it's almost easter >> amen. well, good to see as always, we're going to have to continue this fight hopefully justin will survive this vote. honestly, i doubt it because of the color of his skin, but it is an utter contradiction to want to maintain decorum over wanting to prevent death and that's exactly what these individuals are doing. you're right, not only sunday will they go to church, tomorrow, we'll mourn the crucifixion of christ, but here again, three people today tried, and one of them convicted. we'll see about the other. for literally doing nothing wrong but preaching the gospel of peace and nonviolence and trying -- >> i think we have lost mark yes, we have lost him, but i will just close on his behalf by saying it is apostsy to call yourself a christian and claim
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you believe in god and jesus when what you believe is in death, what you believe in is distributing as much death as possible to as many people as possible, even your own children, because you don't love them like you love firearms. you don't love them like you love the nra don't go to church on sunday and put, you know, your money in the basket hoping that it will grow as a seed and multiply because literally, all you are multiplying, republican party, is death and eventually you're also going to multiply your own destruction because those young people are going to figure out one day they can vote you out they're going to vote you out. your own children are going to vote you out watch it happen. watch god work reverend mark thompson, britney cunningham, thank you. we'll be keeping an eye on the tennessee legislature as we await the vote to expel justin pearson. we'll bring you that to you if it happens in the hour >> first, new reporting, just the corruption keeps going new reporting exposes the depths of supreme court justice
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now a question what have herbert hoover, mark link letter, jack london and richard nixon all had in common. they have all been members of the exclusive all-male bohemian club, where the elite from around the country get together
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for 2 1/2 weeks of fun and games. >> president reagan, vice president bush, and defense secretary weinberger are members of other camps richard nixon is a bohemian, for the most part the men of bohemian grove are over 50, highly successful, and according to many employees, politically conservative >> there is a reality in america. we have a superelite an oligarchy that makes their own rules and then makes different rules for the rest of us in many cases these are the people who make the laws and the ones who interpret them. they are so set apart from us that we barely understand how they operate but we're learning more about the corruption in their ranks. supreme court justice clarence thomas, who is mostly known for his scandalous sexual harassment allegations, notoriously involving coke cans. and for his wife being an aspiring insurrectionist well, he has been revealed to be utterly corrupt, according to new reporting from propublica.
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it found for more than two decades, justice thomas has accepted luxury vacations, nearly every year, from republican billionaire mega donor harlen crow, and apparently, he failed to report them on his financial disclosure forms as he is required to do. that resort i showed you, bohemian grove, is just one of crow's hangout spots that thomas reportedly enjoyed at no cost. there were also lavish trips to indonesia, new zealand, california, texas, and a nearly annual trip to crow's private resort in the adirondacks and thomas wasn't flying business class. no, he reportedly traveled on crow's 162-foot super yacht and a private jet. they report that one trip in 2019 involved a nine-day island hopping tour around indonesia using both the private jet and the super yacht. if thomas had chartered that transportation himself, the trip would have cost him more than
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half a million dollars crow has long supported efforts to move the judiciary to the right and contributed more than $10 million in publicly disclosed political contributions, according to propublica crow claims that he and his wife have never discussed a pending or lower court case with thomas, but there's also the question about those closest to crow, who were also given such unique access to the supreme court justice, like crow's corporate executive and political activist friends. for example, at crow's private resort in the adirondacks is this painting showing thomas in conversation with leonard leo, the former leader of the federalist society who played a crucial role in donald trump's makeover of the federal bench. and let's remember, thomas is one of six people who stripped the right to an abortion away from some 200 million women. this is the person who telegraphed that he would do the same with the rights of the lgbtq community as well as the right to contraception
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and this person's arrogance is also illegal while supreme court justices do not have to live by the same code of ethical conduct as every other judge in the country, they do have to disclose the gifts they receive, and appears thomas has flagrantly not done that while there has been ambicuity about personal hospitality, it clearly indicates, quote, transportation that substitutes for commercial transportation is not exempt, like, you know, say a private plane or a super yacht. even supreme court justices are not completely above the law, even though they might think they are and with all that said, clarence thomas has also presented himself to the american people in a much different way. you will be surprised to hear what he has said about his preferences when he goes on vacation that is next (psst psst) ahhhh...
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prefer that. i prefer being around that >> really, clarence? do you now yeah, that's right supreme court justice, clarenc thomas, wants you to believe that he's the every man wh preferred the vacation and a walmart parking lot rather tha in more lavish locales, becaus who doesn't enjoy spending their downtime at the save money, live better store joining me now, is mark joseph stern, s, e indignity of havingo watch clarence thomas preten to be a normal person. let's go into this because o the one hand, it's kind of comical that clarence thomas it's such a phony and a fraud. but on the other head, it also might be illegal talk to us about this. we saw your -- earlier talking about the fact that he's taking these lavis trips, actually could be a crime. >> absolutely. so, i think that clarenc thomas here is showing tha he's so far above the law that nothing is beneath him,. as you said, he's taking thi these lavish vacations, taking
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his friends private jet around the country, going out super yacht cruises, and there is, i fact, a code of ethics tha applies to the supreme court it is not nearly a comprehensive as it should be, but it requires them to report gifts that they receive above certain dollar threshold that includes gifts that would cause a lot of money if th justice were paying. now, this rule exclude hospitality and it seems tha thomas was refusing to disclos any of this luxury stuff, an of these flights and vacations because he deemed them to be hospitality. but as i wrote with dahlia lithwick, that's jus ridiculous you know, this is a federa statute and federal regulation that says hospitality mean food, lodging, and entertainment. that does not encompass private flight on your friends jet around the country o around the world he had a legal obligation to report each and every one of these gifts that is detailed i the republic report.
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he did not report a single one and four each annual disclosur that excluded these trips, h could theoretically be fined $50,000 and get in a lot o trouble. but of course, because he is a justice, he assumes he's not going to get in trouble at all >> right, the thing is clarence thomas has a histor of kind of telling on himsel with his rulings about his inner corruption these are some of the cases in which he objected to the ide of being accountable, a case i 2009 called cape breton versus massie that involve illusion who spent $3 million to help elect a west virginia suprem court of appeals justice, then voted to reverse a 50 millio dollar damage already agains that same justice. he descended along with scalia alito, and roberts he also dissented and anothe case in citizens united, which we all can remember, tha refers a century old campaig finance restrictions, that was a case that he was four. didn't dissent in that one, he was for citizens united. basically -- there's another case calle mcdonald versus the united states, the supreme cour
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unanimously overturned a juror's corruption convictio of the republican governor named bob mcdonald, and it set a new standard for officia bribery cases that are s absurdly narrow, it woul likely be almost impossible to convict any but the most bubbling politician for th crime. so, he's been for it to sa nothing of ginni thomas, his wife, being a team partner and her original tea party organization being funded by the same billionaire that took him on vacation. it feels like his corruption i so thorough and his wife's it's almost mind-boggling. >> it's almost overwhelming, but what we see from thi republican board is that he ha this network of billionair friends and political advisers who simultaneously provide him with these extraordinary gifts and essentially cash infusions into his lifestyle, and protec him from facing an consequences you know, one of the guys in that ridiculous painting tha you showed is mark paletta, longtime fixer for jimmy and clarence thomas. just last year, he went before congress and said, oh, don't impose a strict code of ethics on the supreme court they don't need it
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well, i wonder why he thinks that could it be because he's takin yacht troops around the glob with clarence thomas and gets to do so becaus thomas thinks he's exempt from any ethics rules you know, once you start t connect the dots here, you see how this is a network of corruption and all of thes guys, and they're mostly men really think that they'r totally above the law becaus of their connection to a justice. >> yeah and you have to wonder i mean, this guy was - i'm never going to - going to fly private private jets the rest of m life mark joseph stern, thank you thank you very much for be here i do want to let our audienc know, we are going to go bac to tennessee because justice pierson is beginning his closing before the vote likely to expel him take a listen. >> - belief in the democracy of the united states of america, ho is it that you still have hope you -- of enslaved people how is it that you still hav hope well, it's because even from the bottom of slave ships, m people did not quit. even in cotton fields and rice
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fields, my people did not quit even when they were whipped an change, and told they had no name, my people didn't quit. even when they incarcerated us locked us up for crack cocaine epidemic created by presiden ronald reagan, which spawned a war in south america, my peopl did not quit even when they defended ou schools, separated us an called us colored and white, even when they put us on a lynching trees in the state of tennessee, specifically, i shelby county, my people didn' quit even now, as our own brother and sisters later rest because of the failure of people i positions of power to do something, because people ar refusing to passed just laws t end the epidemic of gu violence in the state of tennessee, my people have ye to quit.
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and so, even now, this vote, amidst this persecution, i remember the good news hallelujah, jesus. i remember that on friday, the government decided that my savior, jesus, a man that wa innocent of all crimes excep fighting for the poor, fightin for the marginalized, fighting for the lgbtq community, fighting for those who are single minded mothers, fightin for those who are ostracized fighting for those who are pushed to the periphery. my savior, my black jesus, h was lynched by the governmen on friday. and they thought that all hope had been lost. all the outside, it rained, it thundered, and everybody sai everything was over, and there were some black women who stoo at the cross there were some black women wh watched what the government di to that boy named jesus.
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they were witnesses, as yo have been witnesses to what is happening in the anti-democratic state of tennessee, there wer witnesses. to what was going on and i got to tell you, it got quiet on saturday yes, i tell you, it was a sa day on saturday. all hoped seemed to be lost. representatives were thrown ou of the state house, democrac seemed to be at its end. seemed like the nra and gu lobbyists might win. but all that was good news for us i don't know how long this saturday in the state of tennessee might last but oh, we have good news, folks. we've got good news that sunday, always comes resurrection is upon us and it is a prophesy. it's a prophesy that came ou of the cotton fields, it's a prophesy that came out of th lynching tree, it's a prophesy that still lives in each and every one of us, in order to make the state of tennessee th
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place that it ought to be. and so, i still got hope because i know we are stil here and we will never quit. [applause] >> at order. at order we are voting on house resolution 63. all those in favor, vote i whe the bell rings those opposed vote no. as has every member voted? has any member wished to chang their vote >> that was the vote to expe
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represents tennessee representative, tennessee stat representative, justin pierson after he preached a whol sermon and i will note that tha justin jones that you saw on the screen, that was not us. that was on msnbc. not only this state legislatur vote out just in pierson, duly elected state representative who was elected by more than 70,00 constituents, they couldn' even get his name right. they confuse justin jones fo justin pearson and put the nam up that was a feat we were taking from tennessee, so we had th right name up. that was just in pearson if you all are going to do wrong and you're going to do evil, please at least get thes brothers names right they're two different people learn to tell them apart you're telling on yourself racism is alive and well in th state where the ku klux klan was born lord jesus, right before easter, and that is tonight's read out tennessee state representative gloria johnson, will join yo tomorrow all in with chris hayes starts right now. get it right, y'all. >> thank you, joy.

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