that was a cross statement what the clarence thomas offic say to you you said they didn't answer th question but what did they say to you >> almost nothing at all actually, took a lot of work even to get the supreme cour folks that do that work to eve acknowledge that we sent the questions. so, absolutely no response fro justice thomas before or after publication at this point. well >> here's what i can talk to you they're all talking about it tonight. -- thank you so much for bein here tonight thank you for patients and on that note, i wish reall very, very good. night from all of ou colleagues across the networ of nbc news. thanks for staying up late i will see you at the end of tomorrow this was what it sounded lik outside the chamber at the tennessee house of representatives.

>>, free, free, free, free the tennessee free >> you are fascists! >> you banned books, you banne rag, kids are still in bod bags [crowd chanting] >> you banned books, you banned, rag kids are still in body bags that was the scene at th tennessee capitol earlie today. republicans in the state legislator voted to expel tw democratic representatives fro the tennessee house. they voted to kick to democrat out of office. it was an unprecedented and it was a drastic move and it al started last week. that is when hundreds of schoo students came to the tennessee capital to call for new gu safety measures after a shoote opened fire at an elementary school in nashville.

killing three 9 year old students and three adults. during that protests, a handfu of democratic law minister before the house chamber they had megaphones and they weren't shy about standing i solidarity with the protesters outside which was apparently a violation of the rules of th chamber. republicans pounced. they didn't have anything to say about the substance of the issue here gun safety but boy, they had a lot to say about the megaphones and the protests the republican speaker of th house accused three democrat of inciting violence and the said that their protest wa quote, at least equivalent maybe worse than the insurrection at the u.s. capitol on january 6th carrie, is speaking to a local tennessee news reporter. >> what's the evidence tha they were traveling -- incite violence? >> they were trying to jaz people up when we ha representatives -- >> incite violence >> we have representatives trying to go to the restroom they got spit. on >> do you have any evidence

that these three members wer encouraging protesters to spit on members or troopers - >> i mean you can't prove that >> the tennessee house has onl purge lawmakers to time sinc the 18 60s and this time, today republicans held votes to expe three democratic lawmakers i total. one, white women, won a blac man, and won a black and filipino man in the, and they voted against expelling white representative gloria johnson but they voted in favor of expelling the tw representatives of color justi jones justin pearson and throughout the, day neither of the protesters know any of the democratic lawmakers lost sigh of what all of this is reall about. >> he called for you all to ba a solid weapons. and you respond with an assaul on democracy but you won't be victoriou because they are generations o young people who see what' going on >> you say, to protest i

wrong. because you spoke out of term. because you spoke up for peopl who are marginalized you spoke up - speak again. he spoke up for parents wh don't want to live in fear he spoke up for larry thorne who is murdered by gun violence he spoke up for people who w don't want to care about in a country belt on people wh speak out of turn. who spoke out of turn, bough out of turn. a belt nation. >> joining me now is new yor democratic congressman, jama bowman congressman, thank you for being here i feel like you may help u understand this moment, in the way that it needs to be talked about. i would love to get your reaction to what's unfolding o airwaves across the countr over the course of the last fe hours? >> so, this is an expulsio because members of the tennessee legislature stood up for our children, and spoke ou against gun violence because guns are the number one killer

of children in our country nine year old children wer killed, in sandy hook si -year-old children were killed i imagine going to the funeral and looking at the size of a nine year old casket or a six-year-old casket thank god for these tennesse legislators for speaking up, pushing back against what' happening in tennessee but it's also happening around the country. republicans are sacrificing th lives of our children in protection of the second amendment. if we can't protect ou children, we don't have democracy, our democracy i broken, it's rotten, it' sickened, it's cancerous if we allow children to be killed that's what's happening, i'm glad to see the pushback, they

were expelled but thei expulsion is gonna lead to the continued organizing and grassroots movement that's happening in tennessee and across the country young people aren't standing for. this people of my generation aren't standing for this it's time for a movement t transform america into what is capable of being >> i feel like it's almost generous to suggest that the reason why we're calkins are doing this is because of the second amendment i look at it and think, mayb on its face this is about th nra and gun rights but it seem to be about something deeper and race is absolutely what to be there is to be part of. this but also just naked partisan gain. owning the libs, putting the in their place, the parallel that are being drawn between this and january six it's like republicans have bee looking for a way to paper ove a heinous, ugly chapter an

their parties history which is to say the january 6th insurrection, they're trying t draw a parallel to what' happening to make themselves look less poisonous, less ugly let's first unpack the racia piece of it. it's two lawmakers of color wh were ejected from th legislature and a white woman' left in. i answered obvious but how d you read that. >> racism, simply put bu another layer of piece to this as long as black and brown people are disproportionatel killed by guns in our country, republicans are okay wit things as they are it's a republican party, is in a sec ideology passed down fro generation to generation this is slavery, jim crow, the ku klux klan this is eugenics the, second amendment, the great replacement theory it's all of that evolve into this thing , so guns are the number one killer of children, also disproportionately black and brown people are killed by gun in comparison. domestic violence and gu violence is something that w

need to talk about as well women being killed by thei partners by guns republicans historically have been against women's rights and women civil liberties, roe v. wade -- >> historically and presently would. say >> roe v. wade is on example of that. another thing i want to mentio is this. they can no longer win on th merits of their arguments. they have no idea, they have n vision for the pressing, futur of the country they want to take us back to a time of continued oppression and now that there and super majorities and whatever they have power is going to be heavy-handed with that power so we need to be heavy-hande with our resistance to tha power. and the first amendment is about peaceful assembly. and speaking out which is what those legislatures did this democracy is hanging by that, because of the previou president, and their party w need to organize across this

country people who believe i justice. and a quality to take it back. >> i watch that, and i think that there is a lot of peopl in this country who will fee incensed, impassioned, angry and motivated. if the point of all of this wa to silence the man of color, the women of color, bu progressives, the equity folks who dare raise their hand an hold the megaphone they have another thing coming to them. it really feels like this is a inflection point a signal moment for people who care, not just about gun safety, not just about representatives democracy, but about the big future of the american project this is a big deal, and to try and pretend it's anythin otherwise, or that people ar paying attention is foolish. >> completely foolish but agai

they have nothing else to go to, the only thing they can do i try and keep people out of a legislature because they hav power. this is why in 2024, and state across the country and at th federal level, incentive, hous need to vote these people ou of office. and he candidate, republican o democrat doesn't want to d something on gun violence, o something back like battin assault weapons. expanded background checks training whatever it is. we need to go big on this they need to be voted out of office i want to say one more quick thing. i want to see the memphi grizzlies refuse to play an nb game because of what happene today. >> do you think it will happen >> i want it to happen then you'll see movement i want to see the university o tennessee players, who are mostly black, refused to pla in a college football game start hitting tennessee, memphis in the pockets, guarantee you those republican will begin to behave differently. >> i want to play some sound

from justin pearson, who is on of the legislators that wa kicked out of the conference this is from the press conference that just happen. we had audio problems in the last hour. and he's been an incredibl speaker throughout this saga this is what he had to say let's take a listen. >> rise with the plays, th people to get pushed to th periphery. the people they get told to be quiet. the folks who get expelled the people who are pushed to the margins. that show the society, wha truly means to fight what it truly means to get t the center of the conversation to get to the issues that ar at stake and sometimes it takes breakin a few decorum rules. [crowd chanting] sometimes to get from th periphery in the back of the house you gotta go to the well of democracy and demand that democracy be true for everybody and not just for rich, white man in suits not just for rich white people

who got these possessions of power perpetuating the statu quo. >> there is a moment i american politics when the impassioned, incensed rhetoric from the progressive wing of the party would've seen on the left side, i feel like this is the mainstream opinion in th democratic party, i wonder how have you talked to other folks in the democratic caucus about what's happening in tennessee. is the feeling of anger shared across the spectrum of democrats from centrists t progressives >> absolutely, it. shared people are enraged at what's happening, and what has been happening when i had my engagement, my argument, with - people were texting me from th caucus, saying thank you, than you for stepping up.

my office couldn't sto receiving calls from all ove the country. it isn't just people in th house, its people across the country, who are like, finally finally no more thoughts and prayers, we need action, w need to see someone that's passed off about this. and that's why we got that reaction and i love what he said abou the decorum. i was criticize for my lack of decorum, decorum, children are being slaughtered by assault rifles what do you mean decorum throughout american history, w become better because of mas movements throughout our history. because of moments like this that turned into a mas movements. we need that right now we still have tens o millions of people that don' consistently participate in ou democracy. and we need everyone watchin this, everyone on social media don't just tweet you can do that but you gotta knock doors you've got to hand out fires you go to church, supermarket, the school, engage you neighbor, introduce yourself talk about where we want thi country to go. our country, we have foundin documents, we have the declaration of independence,

the bill of rights, we need document that paints the picture of a vision fo america. we need a new document, writte by all of us not just whit property owning man. >> it feels like on these tw issues that we talk about, consistently in the national news, abortion and gun riots gun safety, whatever you wan to call a. they are issues that americans are fired up about, they'r voting on, and they're talking about and that more urgently than anything they fee viscerally, they shudder t think about what a six-year-ol casket looks like. they shudder to think abou what what happened to thei child who was forced to get an illegal abortion warren carry pregnancy to term that thi person wasn't ready for. these are issues that people feel in their souls. and republicans, i want to say unwittingly, because it almost seems like political suicide but they made a calculated cla

to drive the party towards these two issues in particular and be really on the wrong sid of history, but where th public is that and i think the democratic party could literally exist on only, honestly, you got a part that just focuses on abortio and gun rights and you'd have 60, 70% wit you. do you sense any disagreemen inside the republican part about where the gop has landed on these issues? and moreover, do you sense any movement, do you think this is gonna wake anyone up i congress >> i think it well i don't know about in congress but i think it will wake peopl up around the country. but i think that their heels are dug in on these two issues fight for the second amendment no matter why. and be against abortion, the are dug in on these issues, i' add one other issue to what yo

just mentioned, the issue of inequality that's another issue that. people are struggling with poverty, people can afford - >> they feel that viscerally as? well >> they can't affor housing, they can afford t exist or braid, and, so that's another issue. they're on the wrong side of all those issues what i'd also say is tha democrats, we need to look a the tennessee three, look at them, be inspired by their leadership, and do the sam thing and state houses acros the country, and in congress many of my colleagues, i lov him, but they're way too polite and they're way too focused on the quorum and they're not as loud, the don't push back as, hardly t push back on this issue and al of the other issues. we have to take back our country and be very loud in ho we do that when the people see us fighting, they'll come out and vote in the elections. the ones that are staying home crystal finally say, oh my god these people care about me i my child >> i think that there is som

people when you talk about being too polite will say, getting louder, and what w need in american politics is for more camaraderie we need everyone to lower th volume i'd argue, joe biden in some ways was the person that mad that case running for office in 2020. at the same, time i think it's really dangerous to sugges that the volume is for equal reasons. the volume on the right, the insurrection of the capital. the tendency towards revolutio has not anything to do with an particular principle it has to do with power. it has to do with the loss o power. a loss of relevance. and fundamentally, a grievance that's not what's happening on the left i think it's probably really important for a democrat t make the case that their reaso the megaphones are held aloft, and the volumes getting turned up is because you're talking about caskets, bodies, and survival and it's not about donald trum staying in office. it's not about being angry

about demographic change it's about survival. and as you as a progressive as you're out there and you see the right trying co-op, a lo of the energy from the left ho do you keep making tha distinction that what you're doing is not the same as wha they're doing? >> because we actually are trying to uphold the ideals of the constitution that's what we're trying to do we're paying attention to what the blank is going on in the district a 14-year-old kid was shot a 10:30 in the morning, and just killed in my district. a 14 year old shortly after got into office od'd on opioid and died in another part of my district in yonkers a 17-year-old was shot in th hadn't killed outside of his high school in the bronx outside my district. another 16 was killed in new

rochelle, by a ghost gun, by someone who was 16 years old that's the reality of america. not just in my district, it' all over the country and there are many reasons for that they claim to say that republicans claim to say it' about the individual whether or not doing anythin to help the individuals. they claim it's abou fatherless and poverty, they'r not doing anything to addres poverty. they say it's about mental health, they're not doin anything to address mental health either. they throw these reasons why w have gun violence, but they're not doing anything about that. nor are they doing anythin about the assault weapons, and other common sense gun control laws also, it's not just the nra. there are big money actors i politics, that influence legislation way too much that fund democrats an republicans. and that needs to stop people refer to me as progressive, i'm just a regula person, trying to fight for th rights of the people in my district period and when you

pull these issues, whether it' health care, housing, education, climate, guns, abortion. the majority of the american people are on our side wit these issues so i gather, this is a call to action for everyone who care about justice and equality and wants to move forward with the politics of love for all people that's what this is about. >> i gotta say, those children who died, were their childre too, - they were the children of th state that was represented b republicans and democrats, and only one party's movin forward. to make sure those that swor in vein congressman, jamaal bowman, thank you for your time an work we appreciate. it organized more on all o this breaking news when we come back and then, later new reporting supreme court justic clarence thomas has been decades accepting luxury trips up or private chops and supe yachts courtesy of republican meg donor without disclosing any o it that's ahead ♪ ♪ ♪

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that in the house, will ge expelled for two, i will deman that outside the house [crowd chanting] indeed, indeed, they have terrible miscalculation. >> that was axe tennessee stat represented as a justin pearson, who earlier today was an

expelled by republicans and th tennessee state legislator joining us now is jonathan martin, politics borough chief and senior political columnist jonathan, this is, on th outside really it appears to b a catastrophe for republicans. although inside the party i' not sure they necessarily se it like that what are you hearing in term of the governor's calculation, movements on this, and how republicans in the legislature are looking at what's just happened >> sure, the bigger pictur here on tennessee is tha increasingly this is a state that is dominated by republica party. even though, obviously, its tw biggest cities, nashville an memphis are heavily democratic and because of that, the prelude to today, was a series of - between the republican dominated state government, an the more democratic dominate city and county government

there are. the republicans wanted their national convention,, alex t be in nashville in 2020. for guests, what the nashville democrats did not want a trump dominated party having their convention in nashville 2024 it's going elsewhere there's been sort of thi kindling a few well going on for sometime, but what i'm struck by tonight is the absence of governor bill lee, haven't heard anything from hi today. i'm not sure if he smoke it ou yet. but i'm a little bit surprised he hasn't been more forwar leading if you will abou trying to stand up and fin some resolution. this is obviously not a good look for tennessee not for nashville, which a your viewers know, it's been a hot city, a city on the rise massive influx of people moving, there are destination. and, obviously today is a real step back both for tennessee and for nashville. >> we have congressman jamal bowman on the show at the to of the hour, he was suggesting

that this isn't just about democrats in the state it's about asking big business that has, that fills tennessee's coffers to take stand on the issue it's about making a national issue. about bringing in, hitting tennessee republicans where it hurts. which is in their pockets. >> i was gonna say, on tha point, there is a history of that being, especially effective if you look at decad ago for example,, alex and north carolina the so-called bathroom bell. or that really went aground fo the gop was when the busines community, big players lik duke energy in the state, stoo up i think it may take somethin similar in tennessee the corporate political player in tennessee have a lot of cloud, if they get to lead, ge to some of the leaders of general assembly, i think yo

could see some movement here from the republicans it would take a large step fro the corporate players, at leas with governor lee. i think it's important to step back,, alex on the state o tennessee. there is a sad irony to th fact that this is happenin there. of all the states in the south it was the least politically polarized up until a decade ago, up until roughly 2010. you had a competitive two part state. every eight years, for decades effective way, the two parties would change the governorshi back and forth you had lamar alexande ned mccord or, and dom son quest. and then fill radisson and obviously, that was goin back for decades you have a robust competitio in the congressional legislation, you had a half an half gop delegate legislatio in the state for a long time up until really 2010, and, historically you had a ver strong moderate wing of the go angered in east tennessee. people like lamar alexander, bill haslam, from that corne of the state, howard baker

from that corner of the state. you had a robust conservativ democratic wing, in the wester part of the state, well gues what, it's all nationalized. it's all polarized now it's a red state and the republican party i that state is in a deepl conservative state you're seeing it play ou today. but i can tell you from talkin to folks today in nashville, it's sadly ironic that it' happening there, they did no know that this kind of politic in their state up until te years ago. >> i would argue that somethin happened in 2016, that radicalized at least one of th parties. you know, in terms of th movements here and the onl republican governor to stand u to business when it takes stand on social issue is rhond santas and disney. it has not, nationally, it has not looked that great for ro desantis i wonder the degree to which

you think other republican governors are looking at his example in saying, yeah, it' not the play i'm gonna run >> i think it's state by state i think some of them believe the populism that they tal about, alex. others spout it, but don't believe it we'll see here in the days t come, with governor bill lee if this thing does continue to spiral you can be assured, people like fat accept, base in memphis another corporate titans will speak up, we'll ge to govern early, we'll talk to leaders of the general assembly and we'll see how they respond it'll be a fast test for the forces of populism versus th traditional corporat benefactor's in the party, i this thing keeps going sideway in tennessee >> jonathan martin, great to see you, thank you for you wisdom and history, recent history on terms of tallasse politics grateful for your time coming up, how president trump and his allies are weaponizing

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>> it is 97 cult classic, th art of the deal, donald trum concluded that controversy sells. take anything, make it a controversy, and profit off of that on the one hand, trump use controversy for financial gain he monetizes at. he's raised over $12 million fundraising off of news of his indictment on his arrest and trump is using controversy to gain political traction making it into a weapon he can wield. in this case against the ver prosecutors who ar investigating. trump has called manhattan da, alvin bragg, a degenerat psychopath and call the prosecutors i bragg's office, scum he posted a photo that shows trump wielding a baseball ba at the da. who has repeatedly called racist he's gone after the judge' family, and he's warned that the charges against him ca bring death and destruction. this is all very serious stuff enough so that tuesday arraignment, one of the firs

things that the manhatta prosecutor brought up was th onslaught of trump threats coming from trump, the prosecutor said quote, over th past several weeks and longe the defendant has made a serie of threatening an escalating communications of social media and another public remarks these comments, posed have led to extensive public safety measures being put into plac by a number of law enforcement agencies around the city including here at th courthouse starting severa weeks ago. the judge warned trump not t make any statements that would incite violence, no threats, o attacks. and said he would take a close look if the conduct continued. and in response, less than six hours after his appearance i court, in the judges warning trump called brag, a criminal. who should be prosecuted hou at a minimum, resign he that attacked brags wife, and the prosecutors on the case, again. nbc news reports of just 2 hours after tuesday' arraignment. the judge and his family hav received threats the environment has gotten s bad that online biographies of prosecutors on the da's website, those biographies have bee

taken down the nypd has added extra security at the manhatta office, but it's not just alvi bragg here, after hi arraignment on tuesday trump offered doj special counsel, jack smith and fulton county da, fani willis trump called smith, a radica left lunatics, known as a bomb thrower. and he called fani willis, a races. last, night fani willi responded. >> willis told mark witty that trump has a right to speak a mine >> and so, the comment not concern me at all. it's ridiculous in nature but support his right to b protected by the first amendment and say what h likes. >> while she supports his righ to speak freely, she did war him not to cross the line. >> people have the right to sa whatever they choose to say. as long as it doesn't rise t the level of threats against myself, against my staff, or against my family. >> trump isn't alone attemptin

to weaponize the just system for his ow political gain the former president supporter in congress are taking note. in march, house speaker kevi mccarthy announced that he was ordering a probe into the ma and ea's prosecution of trum accusing brag of an outrageous abuse of power, demanding bags testimony in the house investigation. bragg refused, he called a unlawful, incursion into new york sovereignty but today, house republicans took their crusade to the next level. when the house judiciary committee fired off its very first and their so-calle investigation into da brag judiciary jim jordan dissipate -- manhattan da's office named, mark pomerantz who resigned from the office after disagreements with bragg last year. bragg, in response to th subpoenas called so-called investigations an campaign o harassment and intimidation. joining us now is andrew weissmann, former ascrib general and msnbc legal analyst, and someone who is literally the voice of the whole serie of saget's for us.

andrew, first let's talk about the nature of these threats an how unprecedented this is that you know what it's, like t prosecute the gambino crim family >> yes, and i've reported that if you're prosecuted again you know - all cases i've done. in the mob, there is a rule, you don't go to after judges you don't go after prosecutors you don't go after their families why? not because they're good people, that this is, they don't think it's a good thing to do. it's bad business to go after agents, prosecutors judges it's only gonna lead to more scrutiny on what they're doing plus, i have a big ego but i'm fungible if you take out one prosecutor another one's going to pop up. the idea that this is th former president of the united states where there was a serious discussion on core

with a respected judge havin to address this issue. he led the free world, he wa the head of our justic department, and they're in court is the issue of hi inciting violence. and just to be clear, we'r talking about an investigation on january six, it's a call an response he knows exactly what he's doing. and if he didn't know on january six, which of course h did. he knows now we're in a situation where there is a complete history. he knows exactly what he's doing. it's going to be incumbent o the da who i think is completel fearless and the way he' handling violence. and the judge, who's also goin to engage in sort of incremental steps of saying, warning him, and seeing what donald trump does if h actually knows to adhere t these rules. this is a first for donald trump. he's do what he needs to d politically, and he needs to

account a court of law what >> are the practica implications for the trial h continues on this path a trying to weaponize hi supporters against the judge and maybe take the jury pole what could he do beyond th political pricey need to pay what could he do from a judicia standpoint >> this is one where the one way we don't have the actual speculate. because the judge, judge kopplin who's overseeing e carroll case, a civil case involving rape allegations a the end of this month. the judge in that case, -- federal judge said that we'r going to - protect the jury and that was a question, befor what we saw happened at th arraignment. , again it's a connection with the former sitting president o the united states. you need to happen anonymous journey. when you have an anonymous jur in mock cases. warriors sitting, thinking tha -- they're gonna try and corrup the jury but, here it's intimidatio factors is exactly what le judge kaplan to say, this is what we need to do there can be other steps,,

obviously if donald trump goes further and he does incite, think what fani willis was getting, to actual charges tha the district attorney can brin for incitement, for harassment for obstructing governmental investigations all of those are crimina matters. he could face additional criminal charges, and, obviously there are steps of what he was restricting, wha he could say if he's going t continue doing that. it happened with roger stone i the federal case >> what about the hous investigation. how does it complicate matters because alvin bragg is now under pressure from anothe branch, from the legislative branch and that's then interfering with what he's trying to do >> absolutely. there's a part of me when heard that today, i wa thinking, jim jordan is gonn have another dud on his hand so far, that's backfired for him. putting mark pomerantz, who' used to leading the case i front of the american people we know what he's gonna say. because he wrote a book. the book was an authorized

it's just his version, there's been controversy if it's accurate or not. but this is what he says in hi book donald trump is guilty and he should've bee prosecuted long ago. >> the picture doesn't get - >> for more than what he's bee prosecuted for it's gonna be a very odd thing for our republican to illici to the american people there was a part of me that wa like, bring it on i don't think this subpoena is actually enforceable in thi context. there's an ongoing investigation. but it's one where, one of those things where be carefu what you wish for. >> or cutting off your nose to spite your face. >> - by bringing in someone who thinks he's really guilt free. or bigger crimes okay, good luck jim jordan angel weisman, great to se you. up next, clarence thomas's level of private at some luxur lots is coming under scrutiny.

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clarence thomas finished u that yours term by ruling that partisan gerrymandering wa totally fine and what, that wrapped up th weekend he was in full vacatio mode he hopped on a private japanes headed off to indonesia.

judge thomas and his wife se off on a nine-day island hopping tour on this super yacht. which comes complete with staff, and a private chef republican did the math an calculate that justice thoma -- for himself. it would've cost him more than $500,000 which is nearly double a supreme court justices annua salary but lucky for justice thomas he didn't foot the bill. this man did this is billionaire real estat magnate and republican meg donor, harlan crow he owned the jet, the yacht, and he picked up that very hefty tab. and justice thomas, didn't tel anyone he never disclosed it. the justices are required to publicly report all gifts wort more than $415 anything of value, that isn' fully reimbursed back in 2000, one thomas actually did disclose that gav that this republican billionaire megadonor, mr. harlin crowe had given him it was a bible, they used to belong to federal douglas, and was valued at $19,000. clearly, justice thomas know

he supposed to disclose this sort of thing. particularly when it comes t gifts from this guy. because this isn't the first time mr. crows generosit towards thomas has been scandal. mr. crow also gave at leas half 1 million dollars to help justice thomas's wife, ginni thomas, start a conservative lobbying group a group that then turned aroun and pay ginni thomas a salary. of $120,000. and later evolved into ginni thomas's current group, whic reportedly works with groups directly involved in controversial cases before the supreme court. harlan crowl gave more tha $100,000 to the yale law clarence thomas portrait five, which is i don't know, a lot o money for a fund that doesn' need to exist. but today, republicans made al that look like change. tough strange. it wasn't just that on

undisclosed 500,000 vacation that pro public uncovered, the report that far more than tw decades, two decades clarence thomas receptiv luxury trips virtually every year from mr. crow withou disclosing them joining us now is jane mayer, chief washingto correspondent for the ne yorker and the author of choru of dark money, the hidde history of the billionaire behind the rise of the radical right jane, great to see you there's no better person t talk to about this thank you for being here tonight. let me first start with th reporting from propublica today, is this an open secret among people who report on the court and are other justices doing things like this >>, while the problem with thi story is that because it shows that something was not disclosed, it's very hard to know what else is not bein disclosed. i think what it does is it highlights that there are huge loopholes in the ethics rule for the supreme court justices there are notoriously have the weakest ethics code in all the courts of the united states. we really don't know what else

we don't know, but i think it' a shocking, and maybe fall into the category of shockin and not necessarily that surprising because we know that in th past clarence thomas has bee exposed as having taken othe guests, and personal hospitality from the sam billionaire benefactor, harlan crow the new york times did a story out in 2011. and at the time it was als jaw-dropping yet here we are all these years later. and there's this much more and really is an unbelievabl situation for the highest cour in the land. it's supposed to loo independent, here you have one justice taking all of this fro millions of dollars worth of gifts, and travel, and vacations, from one benefactor who happens to be someone very much involved in republica politics and conservative polic

circles. >> that's the other piece of it there's the ethics violation o not disclosing sums that are vastly, vastly greater tha $415 but there's also harlan crow real estate magnate, who's bee investing in organizations tha are very much trying to push the court further, and further right. that's the other piece of this that i think is alarming there is a painting that's featured in one of harle groans residencies, i think we have a picture of. it and it's something that hangs in plain sight apparently that features justice thomas - with harlin crow, and leonar leo, who of course is th mockery behind the federalis society. and others sort of big conservative movers and shaker a few well -- cronies. [inaudible out in the - sort of suggesting that this i how it all works it's made clear. this is how it all works whe

it comes to certain suprem court justices do you think there's gonna b any sort of alarm bells ringin inside the court, specifically in justice roberts years, chie justice of the court was inten on restoring the reputation of the supreme court? >> i think there needs to be concerned. by the chief justice, and by the other justices because we've all seen tha there are public opinion polls that show that there is neve been lower support for the u s. supreme court, the public's confidence and a, and this i exactly why. stories like this, that expose a lack of integrity, and ethical lapses on this order it's really unthinkable and th story that propublica, i fantastic reporting.

i recommend anybody read the pace it's so thorough but it quotes other judges and former judges saying that this is unthinkable nobody, and from a common sens point of air you can see why it's unthinkable nobody takes this much stuff from one person without bein beholden to them even one trip, as you mentione before, it's worth half million dollars. that justice thomas and hi wife tuck in 2019. and they've been doing this fo two decades. >> it's a shock, as you say, great reporting, specifi reporting, docket reportin tracking a private planes, getting the inside scoop fro got employees. everyone must read this, it' deeply, deeply distressing chief washington correspondent asking the right question can greatly impact your future. for the new yorker, jane mayer - are, are you qualified to do this? thank you so much for your time, jane >> thank. you >> will be right back. ® professional. - cfp® professionals are committed

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