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against the white woman state representative who joined with them in the protests >> we called for you all to ban assault weapons. and you respond with an assault on democracy >> i can say to you, the movement for justice can never die because the heart for justice can never be killed. >> we will talk about what the republican-led legislature did and the state's racial legacy with one of the ousted lawmakers. this hour, boiling point in the holy land on passover. ramadan and holy week, ahead of easter sunday, israel retaliates with air strikes, rockets fired after violence between had a m had a mass and gaga and israel evan gershkovich getting a

hearing day in two weeks he has not been able to see u.s. diplomats. the former u.s. ambassador to russia john sullivan joining us today. good day, everyone i'm andrea mitchell in washington with the fallout from the unprecedented move by a republican super majority of state lawmakers in tennessee, expelling the two 27-year-old black democrats for taking part in the gun safety protest, but not the third lawmaker who joined them, a white woman >> why do you feel like there was a difference in the outcome? >> i will answer your question it might have to do with the color of our skin. >> one of the lawmakers, justin jones, joining me now. justin, thank you very much. i want to begin by getting your

reaction now to what happened last night >> thank you so much for having me yesterday was a very grave day for democracy and a very dangerous precedent was set for the nation that a predominantly white republican super majority expelled the two youngest black lawmakers in tennessee because we stood with our constituents demanding an end to this proliferation of guns, of weapons of war on our streets. rather than pass common sense gun laws a week after a mass shooting hit here in nashville, they passed legislation to expel us >> it was done not in any case for this kind of violation of the floor rules. in one case i believe it was because of a sex allegation that had been proved against the lawmaker this goes back to the civil war. >> that's correct.

that's correct there's only been three. >> go ahead. >> the three expulsions -- it's been exhausting, because we didn't know what to expect this week not offering up a lot of sleep there's three expunges one in 1866 for lawmakers who refused to ratify the 14th amendment. one in 1980 for a lawmaker who accepted a $1,000 bribe for his vote and was caught on a wire. one in 2016, for a law mamaker had 22 charges they are saying our action is equivalent to those, egregious, unlawful actions they put our action, a non-violent protest, with these young people who were at the capitol, thousands of them asking us to act, they say that's equivalent.

that set the precedent for expulsion. >> there's a history of young people, like john lewis, the student non-violent coordinating committee, college students, graduate students, high school students being active in the movements. civil rights movement i remember now the gun protests you were standing with the students you have support in your district you can be reappointed will the republican super majority vote to seat you? >> that's the question that's something that we don't know cameron sexton, the speaker of the house, is not a fan of democracy. the next step is up to him we know the voters right now, 78,000 people this my district, 78,000 people in representative pearson's district, they are without representation they have been silenced. that's the crime that's happening. these young people were silenced for standing and calling for common sense gun laws.

they are not being heard our districts are being silenced this is attacking democracy on so many levels then to refuse to seat us after expelling us, it's saying that tennessee is on the border or is already faced with authoritarianism >> i want to play something that really touched me last night on stephanie ruhle's show our viewers who may not have seen it can see what happened when the former republican chair, michael steele, he was talking to you last night. >> you represent a future that america has been leaning towards for a long time. your generation will change this country. your generation will mark this moment and every last one of those bastards who voted you out will rue that moment, whether

it's in tennessee or anywhere else in the country. your generation has an opportunity to do something different. >> i was moved by the way he was encouraging you. i don't think you and the passion that you and the other justin feel need the encouragement, but the passion and commitment you have been showing in the face of so much harassment talk to me about the working conditions from your republican colleagues, some of the ha harassment you have had to deal with. >> that moment last night was touching for me. i was at my office starting to pack up my things that i did that on zoom from my office. they told me i had to leave immediately and get my stuff and shut off my access to the building and email that's the toxic work environment that is the tennessee legislature. 27 years old, a black lawmaker, when i walked in in january, i was made to feel unwelcome, not able to talk on committees, had colleagues make snide remarks on

elevators, in committee, belittling remarks, patronizing remarks. there's so many aggressions. the nation, what they saw yesterday, a lot of people were shocked. for us in tennessee, that's just another day at the tennessee legislature. disdain, arrogance that the nation saw and was shocked about is how they always act it's a culture being perpetuated by cameron sexton that is not in line with a multiracial democracy. i hope the young people saw that it needs to change i do believe young people will transform this state again they did it before in the 1960s. tennessee was ground zero for a lot of the civil rights movement sit-ins and freedom rides. it's our time to lead the nation and revive this mass movement calling for a generational change, especially when it comes to guns and access to weapons of war that are killing our babies as we saw it come to an elementary school.

>> we will never forget what happened on april 4th, 1968, to doctor king. i cannot match michael steele's eloquence in his encouragement to you the nation is feeling it today i'm really grateful to you for coming on with us. thank you. >> thank you all so much ahead, heavy condemnation from president biden and former president obama of those expulsions from the tennessee state assembly jen psaki joining me with more on "andrea mitchell reports. this is msnbc.

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expulsion of the two democratic lawmakers on a local and national level joining us now, blayne alexander in nashville, and former white house press secretary jen psaki. we just heard from justin jones. what are the next steps for this legislature? he mentioned he is not sure if they are appointed now to hold the seats and run again, ishe i not sure they will get seated. >> reporter: that's what we are hearing as well. within the last hour or so, members of the tennessee black caucus, the black members of the statehouse here behind me, held their own news conference. it was emotional they didn't mince words in terms of how they felt and how they are feeling today. they made the clear point that even though we have two vacancies now, those seats could easily be refilled by the two members who were just expelled in fact, the metro council is meeting on monday to vote to appoint someone to that ray can

-- vacancy. they could send representative jones back to his seat now the black caucus members are focused on making sure those members are not blocked from regaining the seats from when they were just booted. the chairman said he believes race played a role in what happened the vice chair called this in his words a jim crow era trial that took place yesterday. that's what we are hearing not only from those two members but also the third member, representative johnson here is what she said on "morning joe" this morning >> to see how they were questioned in a different way from me. i had some republican colleagues say things like, well, they didn't show contrition or -- the younger generation has a different way of speaking. they have a different way of addressing things. i am a 60-year-old schoolteacher. i might talk a little more level

tone and that sort of thing. it was very clear what this was about. >> reporter: andrea, we should note the republicans in the statehouse certainly pushed back very strongly saying that race had nothing to do with this. saying they believed their colleagues engaged in what they call disorderly conduct and they were punishing that behavior when i spoke to the head, i asked, is there anything that they are going to try and do in the months ahead to try to make sure this doesn't happen to other members. he said, one, he fears this could set a dangerous precedent when you look at other statehouses around the country he hopes that others don't try to adopt the same behavior he said perhaps not this suggsessio but in the future they are talking about what they can do to change house rules or do something to in his words protect other members from having the same thing happen to them >> blayne alexander, thank you so much, in nashville.

jen psaki, i want to read two reactions from president biden, tweeting, it's shocking, undemocratic former president obama, who doesn't speak out often and inject himself into today's debates, tweeting, what happened in tennessee is the latest example of an erosion of civility and democratic norms, silencing those who disagree with us is a sign of weakness, not strength, and it won't lead to progress. the racial overtones are inescapable. it was pointed out last night that the ku klux klan started in tennessee. while you have nashville and memphis as democratic majority cities, the congressional delegations -- the gerrymandering is so profound, they are not represented in congress >> right these are two young african american men new to the legislature one of them was sworn in the day of the shooting at the school. he was that new.

we should call it what it is that's what my two former bosses did. this is undemocratic it's shocking. there is a enormous racial undertone here what i will also say, andrea, on a bright note is, what this also did is shine a light on these two stars. raise some light to an issue that the people of tennessee -- there were thousands of people in the streets of nashville protesting a lack of action on gun laws we will see more of them they now have a national platform i don't think that is what the republicans in the legislature intended but that's what they have done here >> we want to talk to you about the governor newsom. he was down south. >> i went to alabama this week i spent time with governor newsom, with his wife, and even with their kids. they took their kids on this

trip he started to help red state democrats. $10 million from his re-election campaign this was a part of that effort it was the spring break for his kitds. what we talked about during this interview which will air sunday is this fight against authoritarianism, what we have seen in tennessee. the need to speak out on the need for gun reform, the need for women to have the ability to make decisions about their own health care, for lgbtq rights. >> let's play part of the interview. >> there was a startling split screen you had 1,000 kids in nashville out there protesting the lack of action on gun reform measures, while you had governor desantis signing a bill on permitless carry behind closed doors. what did you make of that?

>> scared to death. >> who is he scared of >> the people. >> the people in florida >> that oppose that position i think the majority of nra members probably oppose that position no background checks no background -- none? really i mean, no training? why would we do that with weapons of war >> which is what permitless carry means. >> that's the extreme. >> go ahead. >> one thing that's very striking is -- is he a future presidential candidate he is making a lot of moves. we know that the intention of joe biden is to run for another term >> yes >> but he hasn't declared. >> that's true he made very clear he is a big supporter of joe biden he is on the advisory committee. there's no question he is a star in the democratic party. we will see more of him.

i think his entire message might take a -- it is you have to be bold, fight back, speak in communities where they may not entirely agree with you because they need to hear your voice, too. the other thing, he had a lot to say during ron desantis. >> that tells you a lot. co he could be on a collision course with kamala harris. >> that's true that's a long way away i think the president has made every indication that he is planning to run. i think we are looking at the future here. people like governor newsom and other governors around the country will be watching for the next few years >> 2028, around the corner >> that's right. >> never too soon. >> never too soon. it's starting. >> of course, be sure to tune in on sunday at noon for "inside with jen psaki" right here on msnbc.

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tensions are exploding in the middle east during this holy week for all three major

religions. israeli jets pounding southern lebanon. air strikes against hamas. tensions high became violent wednesday when israeli forces stormed into the most sacred muslim site in jerusalem this drew condemnation from jordan sparking fury across the arab world. raf sanchez joins us now from jerusalem. what's the latest? this is an escalating series of violence which was predictable after they stormed the mosque, which is holy throughout the world. >> reporter: grimly predictable. as we speak, israeli forces are fanning out across the occupied west bank. they launched a massive manhunt for a suspected palestinian gunman who killed two israeli

sisters earlier this morning, according to israeli authorities. their mother is in critical condition in hospital right now. prime minister benjamin netanyahu is under pressure from the far right of his government to get tough with palestinians not just here in jerusalem but also in the west bank. the prime minister visited the scene of the shooting earlier today, which sun is unusual, bu shows how seriously he is taking this if there's any good news on this bloody start to the easter weekend here in the holy land, it's this. it has been quiet on the israeli/lebanon border for a number of hours now. we saw those rockets flying over yesterday. the largest rocket barrage since 2006 israel responding with strikes overnight. it has been quiet there on the border and here at the mask in jerusalem. joining us now, we are pleased to talk to john sullivan, former u.s. ambassador to russia.

mr. sullivan, thanks for being with us. let's talk about the violence in the middle east. many people had expected that this would happen after the attack on the mosque earlier in the week there's been a lot of tension, a lot of anger throughout israel, within israeli populations about the moves to create a national guard and to, of course, take over -- overhaul the judiciary what can be done to lower the temperature? is there anything the u.s. can do >> thanks, andrea. it's good to be with you this is, of course, a very dangerous situation. there are multiple flashpoints the mosque itself has been the site, as you noted, of the removal of muslim worshipers who had been locked inside the mosque on wednesday, sparking further violence then the rockets coming from

lebanon. a bloody war that was initiated in 2006 in southern lebanon, northern israel, there are shades of that now reflected in what's happening my hope and expectation is that my former colleagues at the state department, at the embassy in jerusalem are working hard to lower tensions, to make sure that all is done to try to keep a lid on the violence, because as you know, this is -- it's a very dangerous situation >> i want to ask you about afghanistan. there's so much to talk to you about, ambassador. the white house releasing the report about the u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan largely blaming the trump administration for the chaotic withdrawal you served both administrations. you stayed on, which was something that was hard on you personally, i know stayed on for the biden administration when it came in this report -- this report

itself is classified and has gone to the hill but can only be read by them and they are on recess, most of them a lot have not been able to read it yet but a very lengthy summary was issued yesterday at the white house. it largely blames the trump administration for negotiating in doha the previous year without participation from the afghan government, negotiating a may 2021 withdrawal date, and the taliban agreeing to stop the violence unless that was not observed that's one thing that is leading the administration to say, we inherited this problem donald trump agreed to the withdrawal date. donald trump downgraded the special program for helping our afghan colleagues and the sivs get out and their families the embassy had been drawn down in staffing.

is that fair they blame the intelligence community for not properly seeing that the afghan army was not up to the task of stopping the taliban from the rapid takeover of the country. >> i haven't had an opportunity, obviously, to read the classified version of the report i know the person who oversaw it is a good friend of mine, a career ambassador, dan smith my concern is that finger pointing at the trump administration without an acknowledgement by this administration of its role in its failure eight months after trump had left office, the embrace by this administration of the withdrawal that had been proposed by the president, sure, there's blame to go around, but the white house needs to take responsibility for what happened in august on its watch, over which it had control

>> the reason i wanted to talk to you is that russia has formally charged evan gershkovich with espionage what does that mean? you are a lawyer you were the ambassador. you dealt in the early months with the griner problem, paul whelan, you know all of this and how this -- once charged with espionage as whelan was and has been in jail for four years, evan gershkovich is not a spy, he is a well-known correspondent from a russian family, speaks russian, intrepid, brilliant correspondent. once charged, now they say he will have a hearing date april 18th to hear his appeal. he has not been visited by the embassy diplomats, even though under the geneva convention he is supposed to have access to them he has seen his lawyers hired by "the wall street journal." what do you project -- is it urgent to try to get him out soon before this gets swept into the judicial endless process >> the problem that we will

confront, andrea, is that the russians won't talk to us. this has been their practice until that judicial process has run its course when i tried to engage with the russians before paul whelan was convicted, they wouldn't speak to me. they would tell me that their judicial process has to run its course it took almost a year and a half for paul to ultimately be tried and convicted. the charge with which evan gershkovich has been -- has had levied against him, espionage, is the same charge that was -- of which paul was try ied and convicted. that means that this case is in the control of the fsb, the russian security services. this is their case my expectation is it will be difficult for the u.s. embassy to get access to evan until at a minimum the fsb has completed its interrogation of him

once that is done, of course, it's the russian government's obligation under the geneva convention to provide us that immediate access but they don't take those obligations seriously. they didn't in paul's case i'm confident they won't in this case my conclusion is this is a very serious escalation by the russian government, approved at the highest levels, arresting an obviously innocent "wall street journal" reporter, charging him with espionage and putting him into a system that treated paul whelan so unfairly, convicting him in a secret trial and sentencing him to 16 years in a labor camp >> it's so, so terrifying. it has, of course, a chilling affect on the entire reduced press corps there. most major news organizations are afraid to keep their people there. evan was so courageous to go back

quick question they were leaked documents showing plans from both sides, for the spring offensive, both russia and ukraine officials saying they are disinformation, accusing the other. what do we make of this? do we think these are legitimate documents of the next offensive? >> i would be very, very cautious about relying or quoting on any documents that came from russian sources, purportedly leaked from the united states. i believe there's evidence indicating that some of the statistics, for example, on casualties, ukrainian and russian, have been grossly distorted. to not reflect as badly on the russians for how they have suffered in this special military operation hard to know what's ultimately lurking here there are some indications that

there are aspects of the document that have some authenticity to them but there are also indications that this is a russian disinformation case. >> you know of what you speak. we appreciate it thank you. >> thank you signs of slowing inflation what the new jobs report says about the growing hiring -- about the country's hiring pace and what it signals for the future you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc

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an investigative report is raising ethics questions about clarence thomas, revealing that for more than two decades, he allegedly accepted luxury trips from conservative billionaire and republican donor harlan crowe but only discuss closed two of the trips since 2004 on

his financial reports. the trips are flying with his wife on a private jet, this private jet, to indonesia. nbc has not confirmed the reporting. it's based on flight reports and interviews with dozens of people they went on a cruise on this super yacht with a private chef and staff. if thomas had charted that jet and yacht himself, the total cost would have been more than $500,000 that's the estimate. the high court polices itself and requires additional disclosures. it's now under pressure to adopt an ethics code like the rest of the federal judiciary. the report including this photo of justice thomas and the donor who helped finance a documentary where thomas talks about being a regular guy. >> i prefer the rv parks

i prefer the walmart parking lot to beaches and things like that. there's something normal to me about it i come from regular stock. i prefer that. i prefer being around that >> moments ago, justice thomas issued a statement we asked for a statement yesterday. he is responding to the reporting saying, quote, in part, harlan and kathy are among our dearest friends. we have been friends over 25 years. we have joined them on a number of family trips during the more than quarter century we have known them he said, i have always sought to comply with the disclosure guidelines these are now being changed as the committee of the judicial conference responsible for financial disclosure for the entire federal judiciary just this past month announced new guidance it is, of course, my intent to follow the guidance in the future joining me now is josh kaplan,

one of the roteporters behind this what is your reaction to his response >> it's similar -- the first defense that he is dear friends is similar to what crow told us. he told us that he has extended hospitality to thomas over the years. it's to different than what he has given to many other dear friends. i think that i will let the viewer decide how that gels with the larger ethical concerns raised here. a unique position of public trust. they are held to -- they are expected to hold themselves to the highest standards, even compared to other public servants that's laid out in the judiciary's code of conduct. we talked to a number of current and former federal judges who told us what thomas has done,

has broken long-standing norms for judge's conduct. one retired federal judge told us it's incomprehensible how someone would do this. >> there's a painting of justice thomas, the mega donor and leonard leo in the adirondacks there at his retreat who is leonard leo explain the significance of leonard leo's influence on the supreme court and the judiciary. >> leonard leo is -- he is a leader at the federalist society and a conservative political operative who is wide ly regarde as one of the architects of the supreme court's turn to the right. he played a direct role, leading role in vetting former president donald trump's supreme court

nomi nominees down to helping pick the list of who trump would consider for the bench the significance of that painting more broadly is, this is from -- this is from a private, invitation only, luxury resort in a remote corner of the adirondacks owned by billionaire political donor harlan crow. we found -- it's staffed by private chefs. it features clay tennis courts, a batting cage, three boat houses, more than 25 fireplaces. we found thomas has been accepting vacations there virtually every year for more than 20 years. in addition to many other vacations that we found thomas was taking on crow's behalf around the world

these vacations at this resort have brought him in contact with political activists like leonard leo and also leaders at the conservative think tank, the american enterprise institute, corporate executives, major donors one question has been asked a lot following our report is, what influence is crow having on thomas or has crow had on thomas i think it's also worth understanding that crow's access extends to any friends that he chooses to invite along on these vacations. >> i know there's more you will dig into joshua kaplan, thank you for bringing that to us. >> thank you so much for having me coming next, breaking down today's jobs report. how will it impact you and inflation? i will talk to jason fuhrman that's after this quick break. or the energy to keep working?

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and a professor at the harvard kennedy school thanks for coming on let's talk about this number what is it telling you about any success that the fed is having in cooling inflation >> first of all, it tells us that there's an amazing success in creating jobs this is a lot more jobs than we thought. people keep talking about recession. maybe there's one in the future. 3.5% unemployment rate one of the exciting things in this, was the unemployment rate for black americans was 5% that's too high. it's higher than for white people but it's the lowest ever that part of the report was unmitigated good news. >> is there any part of the report that gives you caution flags? >> right there is the question you started with, which is whether this is sustainable. running an inflation rate that's 4.5%, that is well above what

the fed wants it to be can they get the inflation rate down while unemployment stays this low that isn't clear right now the report won't answer that question time will. >> should they change their target, raise the 2% target they've got? >> look, their focus needs to be on lowering inflation. almost anyone would agree it's too high it's not sustainable it's painful for a lot of families do they want to declare victory or an interim victory if they get it to 3% that might be okay but they have a ways to go before they can relax. >> jason fuhrman, as always, thank you. appreciate it. cracking down. despite nationwide protests, iran taking a firmer stand on enforcing the country's strict law.

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the brutal crackdown in iran against women protesting the government's edict that they have to wear head covering is now in its sechventh month. you will see a man approaching one woman out shopping, grabbing a tub of yogurt and dumping it

on both women's heads. it was two women who had been arrested for not wearing hijabs with iran's president reinforcing that the hijab is still the law in iran. joining me now is an iranian born activist for human rights in iran, also an actor and ambassador for amnesty international uk it's great to see you again. we wanted to talk, you're in washington, which is wonderful and we'll talk about that in a moment but we want to keep the focus on iran and what is happening several months ago, the ayatollah was quoted as saying women no longer had to wear the hi hijab. this is at the height of the protests things began to simmer down and now we hear president rye see saying this is still the law of the land >> thanks for having me back of course the regime is very good at releasing pressure

valves when it feels under pressure, domestically, internationally. and that's all that was a few months ago it was some official without any real jurisdiction on the issue floating what was not even a legal edict, suggesting that maybe perhaps there would be some easing on these crackdowns. of course that wasn't the case, and now we're seeing, of course, president raisi saying this is the law and it should be enforced you're seeing the head of the judiciary saying he will prosecute anyone who is not abiding by these laws, and you see the interior ministry suggesting that people should, citizens should confront women on the streets when they see them not wearing, not abiding by the compulsory hijab, which has increased confrontations and brutality towards women with impunity women are being surveyed, as you see with the case of these two women who had yogurt thrown on their heads and attacked

the shop was then shut town because businesses are being told if they don't confront women who are violating this law, they will lose their business they will be shut down so every measure is taken systemically to oppress women even more, but as you've seen over this period of time, this has become far more than a women's rights issue, it's really become a pro-democracy revolution. >> it has gained strength when labor unions and other groups started joining in it started smaller with women. so many people were arrested, several have died in prison under very suspicious circumstances. what has happened to those who were imprisoned? have they been released? are they allowed back in school? have they lost their jobs? >> of course some have been released, but more have been arrested and rearrested. you're seeing this sort of contagion of courage, which has been so awe inspiring to see is

women, both of them were arrested and sentenced to 14 years in prison for peacefully campaigning against compulsory hijabs the moment they were released they flouted these compulsory hijab laws and said woman, life, freedom. a journalist after almost five years in prison came out, removed her mandatory head covering and said death to the supreme leader so this type of courage is really -- wech haven't seen it 44 years what it's managed to do, the spark the engine of this revolution, it has been women that have galvanized at large, now all marginalized groups from religious and ethnic minorities to students, dissidents, every group has now banded together for this pro-democracy revolution, and i don't see any end in sight >> it is continuing because, you know, as you know, with

everything else that's happening in ukraine, the middle east, our focus, of course on the legal, domestic issues, like the indictment of donald trump, we have not seen as much international coverage of this. >> that's exactly right, but i do hear from dissidents inside iran every day that they are continuing their fight and they hope for more attention, which is why i'm here to meet with the white house again. i just came from testifying at the canadian parliament. we are keeping the fight going, and one of the things we're doing is we need to define in the international legalese the term gender apartheid. because unless we do so, we cannot hold this regime accountable for oppressing and segregating women, similar to the way that black south af africans were segregated in apartheid south africa we need to make this term a common place term in the legalese and acknowledged for what it is so we can hold the regime to account. really what i want to say is that this revolution is going

nowhere. men and women are standing shoulder to shoulder for a free and democratic iran. >> thank you very much nazanine, it's wonderful to see you again, and we're committed to staying on this story. i'm glad you're getting some support from the white house in going there today as well. >> i hope so, thank you. >> best of luck, thank you. we can report also that vice president kamala harris is heading to tennessee today and i believe will meet with state lawmakers there trying to rally behind the two justins as well as caroline johnson who also was exteld t expelled happy easter to all, wishing everyone the best for ramadan and of course continuing passover week. remember, follow the show online on facebook and on twitter @mitchellreports, and a quick programming note, starting this monday, ann