would do anything. when the agency suggested we meet with michael regan in louisiana, we agreed one of the things mr. taylor said the first time i came to visit was this was a sacrifice zone. >> what i can tell you is there are none of these facilities in beverly hills. there's no coincidence if you look at who's on the front lines, most of these individuals are black, brown or tribal and or low income. so there's a consistent pattern here >> reporter: if the new standards announced today are put into effect, they become much more enforceable. >> i think what angers a lot of people, though, is the danka plant has been emitting at these historically high levels for years now. why not shut the plant down while everything else is being sorted out >> we are using every tool in our tool box, and if i have more powers, trust me, i would use them >> reporter: it's reduced

emissions and says it's breaking no laws, denying it's putting the folks who live here at any increased risk for cancer. >> i wish that we could move more expeditiously to take action to protect george, to protect mr. taylor, to do all the things that we want to do yesterday. >> reporter: as for bob and mary, they said today has filled them with hope what's the best part of today? >> we got the chance with our politicians. >> reporter: it's not over. >> it's not over we'll be here when it ends i was here from day one, will be here until day 0. >> reporter: cynthia mcfadden, reserve, indiana. we have a lot to cover in our second hour. let's get right to it. at this hour, a rare joint statement, the new message senate leaders chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell are sending russia over the detention of american journalist evan gersh

covi gershkovich. we have an update on what's next. also, inside the biden administration's new proposed rule on inclusion in school sports what the change would mean for transgender athletes and we just learned vice president kamala harris will make a stop in nashville today as the expulsion of two black tennessee lawmakers becomes a national issue our nbc news reporters are following the very latest developments on all of these stories, and joining us now, i want to start with nbc's ryan nobles watching the reaction from washington to what's unfolded in tennessee over the past 24 hours. ryan, good to talk to you. what can you tell us >> well, it's been pretty clear that democrats here in washington are very concerned about the precedent that is being set in tennessee by the expulsion of these two young black lawmakers who were removed from their positions because of the way that they were pushing back against the state's efforts or lack of efforts to rein in

gun violence we have seen statements from some of the highest ranking members of democratic leadership in washington, including the senate majority leader, chuck schumer, the democratic leader on the house side, hakeem jeffreys and we have just learned in the past few hours that the vice president of the united states, kamala harris tends to mak with lawmakers who are on the front lines of this debate over the issue of gun violence, and of course access to this debate on the state house floor. now, this is an example of what's happening across the country in terms of these super majorities that have been created, both republican and democrat, in state legislatures across the country that there really is no opportunity really for democratic lawmakers in a state like tennessee to have their voice heard and have legislation at least voted upon that deals with some of these major issues and democratic leaders here in washington are warning that this is a trend that could continue

in states across the country kind of, you know, the suppression of both sides of point of view when it comes to issues like these, and they're warning that if something like this is prevented from happening, is not prevented from happening in a state like tennessee, we could see it play out in states across the country. >> and we're just learning vice president kamala harris is going to be departing washington, d.c. for nashville, tennessee, and her visit to lawmakers there we're going to be following her travels throughout the day ryan nobles, thank you. now to a new biden administration proposal, getting mixed reaction today nbc's mike memoli is at the white house. this rule on transgender athletes, talk to us, what do you know >> what the biden administration is saying some of these categor categorical bans on transgender athletes are unacceptable. they are allowing there might be circumstances in which restrictions might be understandable they talk about generally

several criteria with which there might be such restrictions imposed. we're talking about factors like what sport are we talking about, the ncaa, for instance, has now adopted sport by sport guidelines for transgender participation. talking about the level of competition. are we talking about intermural athletics in second or third grade or are we talking about the highest level of ncaa competition, and then also the age level is relevant here generally speaking, the department of education saying that restrictions are less applicable in elementary school than they might be in higher education. and so in announcing this yesterday, the education secretary, miguel cardona is saying that every student should have the opportunity for full participation in student life, and that includes athletics, but we're also hearing from some critics, including governor kristi noem of south dakota who signed one of these bans into law. she tweeted, we'll see you in court, mr. president, and that obviously speaks to where this will head next once it's

approved by the department of education. likely to see a number of legal challenges as the department of education says schools that are not in compliance could see federal funding withheld. >> we're going to be following this story, certainly an important one for us mike memoli, thank you. we are learning a moscow court will hear an appeal in court this month, challenging the request of "wall street journal" reporter, evan gershkovich. what can you tell us about how his legal team is fighting back against these charges? >> reporter: hey, yasmin, as you know, the russian judicial system is notoriously opaque, nor does it afford many legal rights to those they have incarcerated evan gersh kovich only got to se his lawyer on tuesday for the first time he was arrested we know mr. gershkovich has pleaded not guilty to the charges against him. according to his lawyer, he's in

good health. the next stage is the appeal hearing on april 18th. and there are a number of scenarios that can play out after the hearing. if the courts want to keep applying pressure to mr. gersh cgershkovich, they could move hm to a different jail. if they want to show lenience, they could move him to house arrest and grant him bail. given how bad the relationships are between moscow and washington, given the track record of other people that have been detained in russia, it's unlikely they're going to go easy on him. we won't know that until the court case is done and dusted. what we know from the court's spokesperson is that it's not clear whether mr. gershkovich will be there in person or via video link unsurprisingly, yasmin, it will be a closed court case a closed session for all intents and purposes so he's going to be kept in the dark from now until then, and he's not going to have much

counsel with him in that courtroom. it's a very trying time for mr. gershkovich as he's sit tlg pr -- sitting pretty much isolated in a russian jail there are politicians across the aisle who are supporting his cause, but it is a pretty bad time to be an american journalist in russia right now. >> ali arouzi, thank you. how are lawmakers reacting across the aisle we are now getting this rare joint statement, senate leader chuck schumer, minority leader mitch mcconnell announcing the detention. sahil kapur is covering this walk us through, if you will, what they're saying. >> reporter: it's an unusual joint statement from the top democrat, chuck schumer, and the top republican, mitch mcconnell in the senate showing unity on an issue in the midst of a whole host of divisions on other issues schumer and mcconnell are making clear that they stand with evan

gershkovich as he faces these charges. they are firmly rebuking russia for what they call a wrongful detention of a respected journalist let's put part of their statement on the screen. they say, quote, since his arrest, russian authorities have failed to present any credible evidence to justify their fabricated charges moreover against standard diplomatic process and likely in violation of international law the u.s. embassy has been denied consular access to mr. gershkovich. r russia has a disturbing history of detaining citizens n a u.s. judicial system that provides neither transparency or justice. they conclude, let there be no mistake, journalist is not a crime. we demand the charges against mr. gershkovich be dropped and he immediately be released, unquote. the question becomes here, what exactly can congress do? we know congress has the power to legislate sanctions but a lot of these easy and obvious sanctions on russia have been done as a result of the war in ukraine, which by the way, i'll

note that schumer and mcconnell do not mention in this statement that diplomatic dealings are ultimately going to be held by and led by the biden administration including secretary of state tony blinken. that is where this goes next yasmin. the president is weigh in on the new jobs report today. why he's celebrating a cool down tinhe labor market in just 60 seconds. we'll be right back. (seth) not to brag, but i just switched to verizon. (cecily) wow! (seth) and i got to choose the phone i wanted. for free. (cecily) not that you're bragging.

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what did we learn from the report, and how many americans are working it, and then how much they're really spending right now? >> yeah, well, i mean, it shows that americans are kind of prioritizing services over goods. let's take a look at the overall numbers, 236,000 jobs, that's how many were added in the month of march, a bit slower than the 326,000 jobs we saw added in the month of february. the unemployment rate at 3.5% is near 50-year lows, hovering there for a while, despite the federal reserve's interest rate hikes. you saw job gains in leisure and hospitality, and in the health care industry. you saw a contraction in jobs in the retail trade sector, where about 15,000 jobs were lost in the month of march, shows that maybe people might not be shopping at the mall as much but still might be going to the bars or restaurants for a drink or meal in the same capacity they are over the last few years. it underscores that the economy is continuing to show signs of

strength you're continuing to see some of the steam going away. >> talk to us, looking at a political perspective, the white house looking at these numbers coming out early this morning, is this what they were wanting to see >> i think it's unsurprising that we're seeing biden and some of the top administration figures praising these numbers today. it's a strong jobs report, despite some of the cooling we're seeing, and something they continue to talk about is these 12 million jobs that have been added to the economy since biden took office. and that's something that they have two definitely tout the struggles here, and this is something biden's former chief economist told me, there are external threats close to the economy. probably chief among them is inflation, which is still too uncomfortably high we're seeing the fallout from the banking crisis, just last month, and probably the debt limit that the white house and speaker mccarthy just continues to dig their heels in.

when it comes to coming to the negotiating table, and that is not the type of rhetoric that market watchers want to see when it comes to being assured that the government can avoid a default. >> my colleague lindsey reiser asked the director of the economic council about some of the layoffs that we have been seeing recently. i want to play for you the exchange and then we'll talk. >> from month to month, you're going to see patterns with, for instance, leisure and hospitality, still trying to get back to the level of employment they had prior to the pandemic, some other industries that may have overhired rethinking a little bit, but generally speaking, when you look at the overall jobs numbers, another 236,000 jobs this month, 12 1/2 million over the course of the first two and a half years that's a strong record overall >> so this is something that we have been talking about for quite some time, right how does the biden administration reconcile kind of the american hardships that we're going to be seeing in this

recovery from high inflation, right, with their successes? >> i think that's the challenge for them here is there's only so little that they can do. their hands are really tied here, and they're really at the mercy of the federal reserve when it comes to controlling inflation, and something that biden has said quite frequently is he believes that americans are in a better position than they were prior to the pandemic. and how do you square that with some americans don't feel that way. certainly for people maybe in the corporate environment or professional services are in a better position than they were before the pandemic, but for so many americans, the grocery store, rent, just prices at home are not where they want to be. and those messages are hard to square when it comes to reelection >> so brian, in the president's comments, right, he kind of touted the jobs numbers, the percentage of americans working is at a 15-year high that's fantastic news for the biden administration with all of that, there are

other numbers we're looking at as well. tie this up in a bow for us if you can. >> yeah, well, i mean the real challenge is that you have inflation, which is not good but the jobs market is good. it's this bifurcated situation for the federal reserve which has the duel mandate of trying to preserve high employment but also get inflation down, it's completely opposite because inflation, we have to recall is at a yearly pace of 6%, and economists and the fed itself want to get that closer to 2%. everyone's got jobs but the problem is that at 6%, the prices at the store are going up at a pace that's faster than your wages going up, which is only about 4.2% as we got this morning. as long as that story is still happening, people are looking at their paychecks and going, well, i'm going to the store, especially low wage workers and saying it's all getting eroded because of how much more expensive everything is getting, and that picture isn't going to change, unless inflation comes down faster. that's going to be the big priority for the biden administration in the next few months.

>> if you will, i want you to weigh in on the final comments that the president has made, right, in referring to maga republicans saying extreme republicans in congress are threatening to wreak avenue hock -- havoc, why end on this note, do you think >> because it is a top concern for market watchers. they want to know that these two sides with come to the negotiating table, and avoid a default. this is only weeks away. we know secretary yellen said that extraordinary measures are going to run out sometime this summer, and that is only ticking closer we need to see some kind of budge from the administration or from the republican caucus to show that they're really going to be able to get this done. >> brian cheung, thank you akayla gardner, thank you as well. we heard comments on the arraignment of former president donald trump, respond ting to a question about how trump's

charges impact his own plan for a possible presidential run. listen to this. >> it's reinforced this problem we have in the country where we have the political left weaponizing the rule of law. it's all about trying to use the levers of power to advance a political agenda and i think that's just fundamentally wrong, and i'm just the only person in this country that can stand before you and say when we had somebody in tampa that was trying to pursue that agenda, i yanked him from his position. he's gone. >> so desantis referred to manhattan d.a. alvin bragg as one of dozens who he accuses of being elected on an ideological agenda still ahead, new surveillance video in the deadly stabbing of a tech executive in san francisco. plus, new details about president biden's $80 billion plan to overhaul the irs how it could impact you. up first, we are live in jerusalem, as tensions hit a iling point in the middle east switching

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welcome back troubling signs of a spiraling conflict in the middle east this morning as israel launched massive air strikes against the gaza strip in lebanon. those attacks falling during ramadan and passover, coming after a series of raids stoked outrage. raf sanchez is joining us on the ground in jerusalem. raf, good to talk to you

so israel is saying, right, these air strikes, they were launch in retaliation for a barrage of rocket attacks. some of which were shot from lebanon. this marks, essentially, right, the worst cross border violence between these two nations since 2006, when they went to war. what do we know right now? >> the whole reach in holding its breath, israel carried out air strikes in southern lebanon. the stakes are so high in a confrontation there. as you said, israel went to war in 2006 with hezbollah, the powerful militant group, and this was a con fflict that was devastating for both sides around 40 israeli civilians, neither side looking for war but one miscalculation, one stray bomb in the wrong place, and you could easily blunder into one. the good news, if there is any

on this very bloody good friday here in the holy land is that it has been quiet up on the lebanese/israel border for the last couple of hours now it doear that neither side is looking to escalate on that front. the other bit of good news, here in jerusalem at al-aqsa mosque complex, we have seen tens of thousands of worshippers coming to pray here it has been largely peace, compared to the scenes on wednesday when israeli police were storming inside the mosque. the bad news, israeli forces are fanned out across the occupied west bank, hunting for suspected palestinian gunmen who shot dead two israeli sisters earlier today. their mother in hospital in critical condition fighting for her life and israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu visited the scene of the attack earlier today saying israel's enemies are once again testing the nation yasmin >> raf sanchez for us, we thank you.

in san francisco right now, police are facing growing pressure to arrest a suspect in the stabbing death of tech executive and cashapp founder bob lee. today, new surveillance video is shedding light on his final moments. nbc's miguel almaguer has the details. >> reporter: this surveillance video obtained by dailymail.com is exactly what investigators are looking for. cctv capturing tech titan bob lee moments after he was stabbed early tuesday in san francisco at 2:35 in the morning, the injured 43-year-old appeared to be trying to wave down a passing car, which drove away. before lee comes clearly into view outside the doors of a condominium complex. >> 365 main, across from follow s -- folsom lee dialed 911, and screamed, help, someone stabbed me. >> that cell phone is a critical piece of evidence in a case like

this. >> reporter: san francisco's d.a. brook jenkins says detectives are looking at every angle. >> when we are dealing with a case where the suspect is unknown, you are trying to interview anyone and everyone who may have had contact with the victim leading up to the time of the crime. >> lee perhaps best known for creating the mobile payment service cashapp was a tech icon who lived in san francisco for years before recently moving to miami. police scouring the neighborhood lee knew well for any potential clues. >> we are not commenting on evidence, nor will we speculate on the circumstances surrounding this horrific crime. >> reporter: as san francisco comes under scrutiny for a recent rash of crime, insiding a homicide rate that's risen in past year, lee leaves behind two children, including a heartbroken daughter who writes, i'm devastated that somebody would be so cruel to take away my father's life a life cut short in a murder that remains a mystery

miguel almaguer, nbc news. all right, the deadline to file your taxes is april 18th, less than two weeks away the clock is ticking, and the biden administration just veiled an $80 billion plan to help you get that return a little bit faster wouldn't that be nice? by boosting customer service, technology, and enforcement as well nbc's monica alba is at the white house for us covering the story. walk us through thris a refurbishment of the irs and the whole tax process, getting americans their refunds earlier. that would be incredible. >> reporter: that's the hope here, and yes, this is billions of dollars from the inflation reduction act that we're learning from the treasury department and the irs that they really are going to use to implement to go after auditing of wealthiest americans because right now, there really is a disproportionate approach here, where some of the americans who report no positive income end up

being audited twice the amount of those who are reporting the most income. so the irs is saying they're going to use some of these funds to go after that in the form of audits, but then they're also going to be making some changes they hope makes lives easier for everybody who is submitting these kind of tax return applications, so, for instance, they're going to help people go paperless. they are also going to invest in a lot more scanners and scanning equipment, if you can believe it people who mail their taxes in will be able to be processed a lot more quickly we saw major backlogs in 2022 because of that, as a result of after the pandemic, and some of the pile up we saw from that. they're going to attempt to do that, and you have the irs working to make its own version of a turbo tax, to have their own processing software that will come directly from the irs web site where people can just fill out some simple questions there. they don't have to go to a third party to do all the work, and

they're hoping that will really streamline things and make things easier as well. that isn't ready to be done yet. they have commissioned a study, and see if that's something they can implement in the future. trying to make it easier on people by really improving and investing in things like technology and software, and also trying to improve the customer service aspect to all of this, and that's why you're going to see the irs hire hundreds of new officials who are also going to be working and dedicating themselves to try to make that. sometimes painful part of the process a little easier on everyone. >> painful, monica, is putting it incredibly lightly. thank you. coming up next, the pentagon scrambling to find out how classified documents about u.s. and nato plans for ukraine wound up online. tensions between the u.s. and china are at a historic high are we actually prepared for a potential conflict our team has got a closer look after a very quick break

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welcome back, the pentagon is investigating a major leak. senior biden administration officials, finding out how classified documents on the war in ukraine ended up circulating on social media. amongst those documents, plans to build up the ukrainian military ahead of a planned offensive against russian troops nbc's matt bradley is live for us in kyiv talk to us i'm wondering how this could affect ukrainians plans going

forward, along with this kind of quote, unquote, spring offensive? >> reporter: we have been hearing a lot about this spring offensive, and it's true that this document does seem to shed a little bit of light or it would expose some of the ukrainian military's capabilities ahead of the crucial offensive, and that, as i mentioned to you before, this is what the jukrainians are putting all of these eggs in their basket, the spring offensive that could push back the russian lines once and for all. the documents do look as though they had been modified in certain parts. in one part, drastically underestimating the number of russian soldiers that had been killed you know, western or americans believe that there's about 200 russian soldiers have been killed, these documents say somewhere between 16,017,500, and they a-- 16,000, and 17,500. buzz this is such an old

document, and again this goes back to early march, the real impact here probably won't have anything to do with events on the front line if anything, it will serve to erode some of the trust that was a hard-won battle, the trust between the united states and the ukrainian government they have been cooperating very very closely, but there have been worries, and there have been some gaps in the intelligence sharing, but intelligence sharing from the united states has helped the ukrainians to great effect when it comes to targeting russian military leaders in terms of where to strike, especially when it comes to u.s. provided weapons. we have been hearing from the ukrainian government, and indeed, they are huddling here in kyiv and trying to determine how they're going to stop these kind of leaks in the future, but we heard also from the man i was speaking about an hour ago, the top adviser to ukraine's president, and he made the point that this is misinformation. we have been hearing this time and time again the russians have been broadcasting what the ukrainians in the west say are false claims about the state of play on the battlefield, but padoliak made

the point if this was indeed a truthful document and one that did reflect the state of play, why would the russians have allowed itto be leaked on social media the way they did, why wouldn't they have kept this information for themselves and used it to their own ends on the battlefield? so that's an interesting point, and, you know, the way that this was leaked, putting it on to telegram and other social media, it really does seem as though this was, if anything, an attempt by the russians to show that they do have eyes and ears in washington, and they do know exactly what's going on, kind of putting them in check. >> yeah, having reported in moscow myself years ago and kind of understanding their inner workings a little bit, that's exactly what i was thinking and showing kind of their power to the world stage and understanding that they have kind of intelligence gathers on the ground who were able to obtain this type of information. matt bradley, as always, thank you so much. still ahead, everybody, we are live in the state with the most extreme abortion restrictions in the country.

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week it's not just our deteriorating relationship with china and the war in ukraine that have some speculating on a potential conflict it's also the possibility of a future pandemic. the big question is the u.s. military prepared to deal with what could be next medically as well msnbc medical contributor, dr. vin gupta joined a military training exercise on the west coast and is with us now dr. gupta, always great to talk to you what did you learn on this ride along? this joining of this military exercise that you can share with us >> yasmin, good afternoon, as you know, the u.s. has a smaller physical military footprint worldwide. but by using assets strategically, it's still able to project force anywhere in the world. medical readiness is a key component of that, and training with applying new technologies is the perfect convergence of strength and capabilities meeting this moment of realities. let's take a look. quietly and unknown to most of

the american public, the u.s. military is preparing for a new era of national security threats. this operation isn't aimed at taking the fight to the enemy, it's aimed at saving lives of the critically ill. >> you have a ventilator, you have a monitor, you have an iv pump, so really a mini icu. >> exactly >> reporter: the exercise simulates the rapid transport of severely injured troops from battlefields around the world to advanced care centers back this the u.s. it's a mission i have seen up close and personal as a reservist icu physician leading a ccat team of my own on the west coast aboard military aircraft, sources turned patients are transferred and stabilized in flying icus, saving lives and fulfilling promises. >> the american people have entrusted their sons and daughters to defend our nation, and when they become wounded, ill or injured, to be able to bring them home safely is really the purpose. >> medical readiness is one more way that the u.s. military shows

the world that physical and strategic health of its force. >> how does this increase the survivability of keeping down range? >> it's huge we essentially take the level of care that they can expect in a u.s. icu we bring that forward to the front line. >> reporter: with tensions rising in the asia pacific theater, the war in ukraine and the threat of pandemic, this is a necessity, not a luxury. coreyshocky has held high positions at the pentagon and the state department what do you think are the biggest threats to our national security in the next ten years. >> the risk of scale that russia imposed on ukraine, a war of that scale with china is, i think, the biggest threat, and i believe that the biden administration has that right. >> reporter: so is the united states ready for the threats it faces over the next ten years

and are these latest exercises part of that >> we're not facing an act of conflict right now >> reporter: is this in preparation for an act of conflict >> this is in preparation for any global crisis. it's a global crisis of scale, whether we're talking about humanitarian assistance disaster response all the way to the potential of conflict. >> reporter: in my personal experience as a reservist, training like this is common but there's a new sense of urgency to these missions because of recent geopolitical tensions, and the omni present threat of the pandemic >> fascinating stuff dr. vin gupta for us, thank you. idaho just became the state with the most extreme abortion restrictions in this country that's according to a top abortions rights advocate in the state. calling latest law restricting travel for out of state abortion the most extreme bill i have ever seen in my career it's a slew of anti-abortion laws like this fueling doctors

and patients, choosing to leave the state. i want to bring in nbc's kristen dahlgren talk to us, the current political climate in idaho was cited as the reason one hospital closed their entire maternity ward you've got another hospital that has stopped their labor and delivery services as well. what are doctors telling you >> reporter: those hospitals said it was difficult for them to staff, difficult to recruit physicians to be fair, that is an issue that idaho has had in the past, but that one hospital clearly laid out the current political climate. i spoke with one maternal fe fetal. she was packing up her family of four, and they are now leaving the state for a place where there are less restrictive abortion bans. she said it became too difficult to practice here in the state.

she and her husband were having conversations, what if i'm charged with a felony. what if i'm actually sent to prison that was the thinking behind her leaving, and she's not alone in that a recent survey, close to half of all ob/gyns said they were considering a similar move in the next year. the economy of family physicians in idaho says it's a real problem. take a listen. >> in idaho right now, we are on the precipice of a health care crisis we are already 50th in the country for access to primary care, and with these laws that criminalize aspects of medicine, we're seeing an exodus of physicians, and i'm very concerned, and i know many of our physicians are concerned that we will see an actual health care crisis in the next fo five years, that could be an indication that other states with similar demographics or laws are headed in that

direction. >> reporter: so i talked to the attorney general here in this state as well, and he says he disagrees. he doesn't see a lot of physicians leaving he says the law is very clear. when i asked him about specific cases, gave him some examples, like an early preearly, he saide wouldn't comment on hypotheticals at all he says that he believes women are safe to have babies here in idaho, and he said he believes physicians are safe. they just need to follow the law, yasmin. >> kristen dahlgren, we thank you, and by the way, you can catch kristen's full report on nbc nightly news, 6:30 p.m. eastern on your local nbc station. so it seems like republicans, they're not changing course on abortion politics post roe, even after the warning out of wisconsin where a judge won a seat on the

state supreme court after campaigning hard on protecting abortion rights in her state, and ultimately delivered liberals the first majority on wisconsin's highest court in years, but as "politico" puts it, there's no wake up call. we're seeing lawmakers go full steam ahead on abortion restrictions i want to bring in basil michael, to talk more about this are you surprised at all, especially with what happened in the midterms if we can remember back, way back when, seems like a long time ago, doesn't it, with all that has happened. abortion number one issue, right? >> right. >> are you surprised it seems as if republicans are ignoring that. >> it's contrary to everything i learned about politics when i first started. if you understand where the voters are, you meet the voters where they are they don't seem intent on doing that they seem to be doing quite the opposite you mentioned the lesson that

could have been learned from 2022 moderate your position, reach out to those independents that were so helpful to democrats during that time, they sort of refused to do a that one of the reasons is something called preemption, gop legislatures overruling democratly run cities, meaning that in order to moderate what's happening in urban areas particularly with the increase in folks of color, and obviously large democratic voters they are going in and stepping in to make it more difficult for democrats and folks that live in cities to actually control what happens in those states my point is what republicans are saying is not only are we going to use our state power to clamp down on everything that's happening in pro democratic areas, they also figure judicially, they have judges in federal seats across the country so that whenever anything does get challenged, it can get

blocked or moved in their favor, all the way up to the supreme court. what's happening in wisconsin, which is a swing state, should suggest to them. >> the tides could turn. >> and what this race did was moe mobilize a lot of voters if democrats can keep that up going into 2024, that's a problem. >> let me read to you former governor of north carolina, path mccrory saying this, they're more worried about primaries or social issues playing to the base they're not really worried about those people running statewide it's a very selfish game. >> it's interesting because you used to find that people who ran statewide would moderate their positions. that's absolutely right. the incumbency rate in legislative bodies is 96, 97%. it's hard to get people out of office what we saw in d.c. is more of a

phenomenon in the states candidates are focusing more on the extreme right. they're moving so far to the right. the reality is all it takes is some great mobilization in population centers, and what they're trying to do is guard against that has as suburban communities are becoming more diverse. >> this abortion issue is not going away we could talk about local state legislatures and how they complain to voters in those states, but what about on a national scale, a national level? you continue to look at the polling when it comes to abortion, right? >> yeah. they are becoming more and more out of touch with the way the country is if you look back on 2022, what was helpful to democrats, not just the democrats themselves that turned out, but independent voters and young people. look at what's happening in wisconsin. independent voters and young people who are being mobilized, what's happening in tennessee right now, young people on issues with respect to gun control. but certainly on reproductive

rights as well the republicans are trying to find ways to not engage all the people who are actually going to come out to vote i don't understand how that's a win winning strategy for them. >> let me get you on the record. talking about tennessee, we're awaiting the vice president to take off, visiting nashville, and the lawmakers there. i spoke to john ray clemens in the last hour. i want you to take a listen to his reaction. >> we have a bunch of people who are willing to abuse their power, to silence the voices of tennesseans, and it's egregious and offensive and should never have gotten to this point. i think we're seeing the result of what real power hungry people with no limitations or check on their authority will do. >> we got about 30 seconds, basil. >> absolutely right. if there was ever a case to be made of people using their power to disenfranchise voters, the tens of thousands of people that those lawmakers represent now have no voice in their state

legislative body if you have ever seen fear and race interlocked, that's what we saw in tennessee >> that's what's playing out in tennessee? >> that's what's playing out. >> and are you worried that's what's going to happen across the country? >> absolutely. every day. that does it for us today. don't miss my colleague's new show, ana cabrera reports premiering this monday, 10:00 a.m. eastern, leading off our weekday, msnbc reports lineup join me, yasmin vossoughian every saturday and sunday from 2:00 to 4:00 p.m. eastern, that's my show, not my name. our coverage continues next with alex witt.

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