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trip ahead for you just one lawmaker who joined protesters demanding meaningful gun legislation at the state capital kept her seat yesterday. representative gloria johnson, a white woman, slammed the expulsion of her colleagues justin jones and justin pearson, two of the state's youngest black lawmakers, saying she was the only one to be spared was quote, pretty clear. outrage over the pair's removal is being felt across the country, coupled with the concern of the dangerous precedent this is sending. and a short time ago, tennessee's black caucus whose chairman called the decision an assault on democracy that quote, smacks of overt racism spoke out. >> it looked like a jim crow era trial, where we saw two black men fighting for their careers, fighting for their reputations. >> the world is watching tennessee, and yet again, they're watching it for the

wrong reasons. quite frankly, i'm kpexhausted. >> what are we going to do now is it going to be business as usual, it happened to two black men, oh, well, let's move on or are we going to do something about it, are we going to step up is this what tennessee is? >> that question is going to be answered what does happen next, we're going to get into where justin jones and justin pearson, and whether their constituents will be heard because the situation maz has overshadowed the issue at hand joining me now from nashville is nbc news correspondent blayne alexander, welcome this was a very quickly organized trip from the vice president. who is she set to meet with, and how significant is her presence there in nashville today >> reporter: i'll tackle that last part first. it's very significant, the fact that she's coming down here to

meet with some of the lawmakers that were involved in what we saw unfold last night. that is certainly significant, and it really sends a strong message from the biden administration that they are watching this closely and are concerned about it it underscores the strong statement from the president last night, calling what happened at the tennessee state capitol shocking and undemocratic now, i think what's notable here is that, yes, this happened in tennessee, but we're seeing strong reaction from across the country. of course the biden administration, the congressional black caucus, former president barack obama, all weighing in, essentially point to go what they're calling a dangerous precedent, saying, you know, a number of people that i have spoken to, saying, listen, this kind of sends the message that if you are in a governing body, there are people you have to disagree with, you can boot those people. that's what critics of the situation are saying i think it's important to point out republicans saying they're punishing what they call bad behavior, disrespectful behavior on the house floor, doesn't have

to do with who agrees with what. as for who the vice president agrees with some of the lawmakers involved, including the former representative jones confirmed he's going to meet with her today >> thank you very much, blayne alexander for that, i know you're going to keep a close eye. we know the vice president will be landing there thank you for keeping an eye for us joining me now is editor and chief holly mccaul this movement on both parts is likely temporary explain the numbers they need to regain their seats, and how long this could take? >> it's probably not going to take more than ten days for them to be back actually, because the first step will be for their county commissions in the case of justin pearson, the shelby county memphis county commission for former representative jones, that will be the nashville metropolitan council, and they will have to appoint a replacement because obviously these seats cannot be held

empty. you cannot have your constituents be unrepresented. i think it's extremely likely that jones is reappointed. i'm hearing there might be some efforts in memphis from some authorities to keep pearson from being appointed. at any rate, they can be appointed as soon as ten days, and there will be a special election in the next 60 to 90 days, and they will both be reelected then. >> is there any indication they're going to face opposition, that there will be people also going for the seats that are being hand picked to compete against them >> i'd be very shocked if anybody competes against them. j justin jones opponent in the last primary is on the metro council. she has come out with a statement saying she will vote to reinstate him as soon as possible i would be shocked if they have any opposition if they do have opposition, i think that both justin jones and j justin pearson very handily. >> walk us through the precedent

this is setting. this came nowhere near the past far more egregious instances lawmakers have been expelled for. it was quick, effective. is there a possibility that other conservative chambers are going to adopt this method of literally silencing those they don't agree with >> you know, i think so because tennessee is a bellwether of conservative action. tennessee republican leaders like to say that we are leading the nation, and we do lead in things like poor health, and hospital debt, but also our governor bill lee, republican governor bill lee who's close with ron desantis, the first governor in the state to sign a bill banning certain types of drag, and drag performers. tennessee has inarguably the harshest abortion ban in the state. we have almost no gun laws, except that each year the legislature passes looser and looser gun laws, and there's currently a bill to allow in the state house to allow 18-year-olds to carry any type

of weapons, ar-15s there's no measurable action on gun laws i think it's possible with tennessee leading the way, other republican-led conservative chambers are going to look at tennessee and say hey, it worked for them, and look at how easy it was because there was no precedent for this. >> it was an extraordinary time in tennessee joining me now is tennessee state representative yusef hakeem the vice president is heading her way there, how important is her show of support for the lawmakers and protesters >> first, thank you for having me, and yes, the vice president coming to tennessee under these circumstances is very meaningful it lets us know firsthand that the white house is interested and concerned, and in a meaningful way as to what is happening in the state of tennessee. >> let's remind people of what went down yesterday, the way republicans painted the actions

of these lawmakers let's take a listen to an exchange between republican andrew farmer and justin pearson before he was expelled here it is, sir. >> in this tennessee general assembly, that's why you're standing there, because of that temper tantrum that day, for that yearning to have attention. that's what you wanted you're getting it now. >> now, you all heard that how many of you would want to be spoken to that way >> okay. we're also giving some attention to andrew farmer and something he may not want considering what he was saying, this temple tantrum. it's how these republican legislatures are describing the reaction to six people dying in a school shooting. what hope is there for any level of legislative change in the state of tennessee >> well, i think the public is the key to that, and what we've had is young people really turning out, parents from all

walks of life, rural, urban, coming together, they see this as necessary change in regards to gun laws, and i don't think it's something they're expecting, legislators are expecting it to die down i don't see that happening, and as a result of that, we will either have some changes in laws within the next year, hopefully. this year, or we're going to have new legislatures. >> both justins, pearson and jones, they represent parts of nashville and memphis, respectively, two of the most diverse cities which are now stripped of black representation explain the message that these republican legislatures have just sent to the people of tennessee, especially people of color who voted for these men? >> well, i think it sends a message that you have to stay in your place there's a decorum that you have to abide by and what these young people are saying is that if you're not listening to us who represent 78,000 people, you are

going against democracy. you're going against fair play, and as a result, we're going to put you on the sideline. i feel more it was a distraction, the whole process was a distraction to not talk about gun laws and gun change. >> how is it that is a distraction that's tolerated because context wise, sir, your state is 12th in this nation when it comes to gun deaths. almost 1,400 people die in tennessee every year from guns these three lawmakers are agreeing with you. they're saying this was a republican distraction from the real issue, so ultimately, is it going to work or might it backfire on republicans in that state or the governor lee who, you know, again is loosening up gun rules. this was a christian school that was shot up a week and a half ago. >> what we have in the state of tennessee are lobbyists, we also

have four four gun manufacturers in our state, and they have quite a sway with the majority party in the state of tennessee. but in regards to the potential backfiring, i think that's going to happen. they expect this to die down when you look at people from all across this state, and i've seen the passion and the desire for change within young people, i see, like i said, either change, you know, laws or change in legislatures. >> got to say, sir, you have just let us connect some dots there when you say there are gun manufacturers, of which there are four in the state of tennessee, connect the dots, meaning connect the dollar signs as well. nonetheless, tennessee state representative yusef hakeem, thank you so much, sir, for your time. coming up, israel launches rare strikes on southern lebanon, escalating the tensions in the middle east, we'll take a live look at jerusalem after the break. and 2024, how democrats are gearing up to run against an

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the last couple of minutes, the israeli government saying an attack in tel aviv we don't have the details but the israeli foreign ministry is saying at least seven people are injured. it is unclear at this moment whether this was a car ramming attack or shooting attack or possibly both. but we do know that this happened on the tell aviv promenade, the board walk by the beach there, a place popular with families to walk in the evening. details are still coming in. israeli police say that the attacker was neutralized, which is this vague term they use. it usually means the attacker was shot dead but we can't say for sure and this all coming on a very grim good friday here in the holy land. as you said, israeli jets pounding targets in both gaza and unusually in southern lebanon this morning and the stakes really couldn't be higher in terms of a possible confrontation in lebanon between the israeli military and hezbollah, the powerful lebanese

militant group that controls southern lebanon if there is any good news today, it is that it appears to be quiet on the israeli lebanese border it has now been several hours since any air strikes or rockets, it is also quiet here in jerusalem at the al-aqsa mosque complex, which is really where this whole escalation started earlier this week when israeli police stormed inside the mosque this is the third holiest sight in islam israeli police say they had no choice but to go in because palestinian extremists had barricaded themselves inside a lot to keep track of, a lot of fast moving parts right now. but as we speak, israeli forces are also fanned out across the occupied west bank they are launching a major man hunt, searching for suspected palestinian gunmen who earlier today killed two israeli sisters. this was in an ambush in the jordan valley. the sisters' mother also wounded in this attack

she is in critical condition right now. she is fighting for her life israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu visited the scene of that shooting attack earlier he warns the israeli people that the country's enemies are once again testing this nation. but, alex, netanyahu is under an enormous amount of pressure to hit back hard against them >> there's a lot to keep track of, most notably, the attack in tel aviv on the promenade, seven people injured and a neutralized suspect at this point. thank you for the latest, raf sanchez. china has responded to ongoing u.s./taiwanese with sanctions on a group that includes the ronald reagan presidential library china's ministry of foreign affairs announced the reagan library and hudson institute will be banned from any cooperation, exchange or transaction with institutions and individuals in china and

leaders of the organizations will also have any assets in the country frozen, banned from working with chinese organizations, and be barred from actually visiting china both were stopovers during the course of the taiwan president's ten-day international tour which marked the first time the taiwan president had met a u.s. speaker on american soil it was unclear, however, at this time if either organization have leads or assets of cooperation in china that could be impacted by the sanctions. the first former president to face criminal charges and he's the front runner for the republican nomination. how are democrats preparing to use donald trump's legal woes to their advantage come 2024. plus, new reporting that tesla employees shared private images recorded on the car's cameras. how this squares with the company's privacy notice

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former president trump is expected back in new york city as soon as next week he is due to give a deposition in his other new york investigation. this one pertaining to attorney general letitia james '$250 million civil probe into his real estate business practices. sources say that it is possible this deposition along with the previous one that he gave last summer could be used instead of an actual in-person appearance at the trial which is set for october. meanwhile, the new reality of an indicted and arraigned donald trump is giving democrats some political pause with the party now facing a choice. cha capitalize on the front run's legal problems or stand back and watch it play out. nowhere is that more evidence than in the white house where president biden has not a single mention of his predecessor all week long. let's bring in digital white house reporter peter nicholas, and staff writer at the atlantic, mark leibovitz, an

msnbc political contributor. welcome, guys, good to have you both here. pe peter, i'm going to start with you. you're right about how there's no guide book, the first former president facing criminal charges, and thus how democrats are quote feeling their way through a fraught moment that presents both opportunity and peril for all sides. so walk us through the details here >> so we have an unprecedented situation in american history. we have a former president facing criminal charges. as you mentioned there, president biden has offered to keep silent, he wants to let the legal process play out trump is innocent until proven guilty so that's the posture that he's taken. but there is a whole ecosystem of democratic outside interest groups, strategists, operatives, and they're weighing what to do in this moment and there are some who want to really capitalize on trump's misfortune here. they would like to send out e-mails. they want to place digital ads

and showcase trump's legal perils, thinking that this is an opportunity to help biden in a likely reelection campaign there are others who are holding back and their feeling is, you know, trump, they want to take a cue from joe biden they want to see the legal process play out, and maybe just highlight biden's accomplishments in office, and the thinking is that trump's predicament is getting so much coverage, they don't need to amplify it in any way. that's sort of the attention we're looking at. >> i'm curious, mark, what you make of this wait and see strategy out there if you look at the numbers, trump using his indictment to raise $8 million he has made end roads with voters who believe the justice system has been polarized and politicized. as democratic pollster points out, trump faces a major issue pertaining to just the simple math of it all he can't get elected without attracting new voters who didn't vote for him in 2024 so do you think dems are being wise to bet that trump is not going to be able to pull that

off? >> well, i mean, the thing that the white house has calculated and i think it's not terribly surprising is that this is going to be in the news regardless donald trump's problems, you know, were big problems, both politically and legally regardless of whether he got indicted this week or last week, whenever it was. i guess it all kind of runs together at this point, but, you know, look, i mean, the white house, i think, the inclination of president biden would be obviously not to say anything. you don't want to, you know, sort of play into the narrative that this is a political opportunism on the part of the white house. i mean, look, donald trump's problems are big they're going to be ongoing, and they're going to be recurring episodes of it, not just this week, but certainly, you know, in all likelihood down the road, he's going to be in the news i think the white house, even if you look back to 2020, while they won the election or while

the biden campaign won the election, you know, the incumbent, donald trump at the time, got the predominance of attention, and that's sort of what donald trump does it's obviously not always good attention, and often very bad attention, and i think if you ask any democrat strategist or anyone at the white house, they would correctly say that this energizes the trump base, but certainly doesn't persuade any voters, either to his side or back to his side. >> let me back up something, and use something you wrote to show what you mean here this was in "the atlantic" and you write how the gop's ongoing willingness to fuse itself to trump's deranged and slippery character has been its most defining feature for years, the question is why it continues after all of these embarras

embarrassments and election defeats. you've got two who have officially broken away from trump and endorsed respectively ron desantis, chip roy, thomas massey this week did it. why aren't we seeing more given what just happened, and especially as more indictments are expected or do you think it's only a matter of time >> well, i mean, it is past his prologue there has never been collective momentum on the part of republicans to run away from donald trump, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that it's a bad play for them politically. you know, wouldn't surprise me if ron desantis doesn't get a whole bunch of endorsements going forward. as we learned in 2016, things like establishment support, endorsements, even professional consultants, fundraisers, what have you, is not going to move the immeneedle much when you ha the incredible blizzard of attention that donald trump is able to summon the his will, so, again, this is a classic kind of donald trump dynamic, and next thing, you know, i think what

he's hoping for would probably bank on based on history is that a year from now, we'll be sort of looking back, and look, i mean, he just sort of won the nomination in large part because no one wanted to run -- no one wants to stand in the way. >> and here's maybe why, peter, i want to say to you "the new york times" reported on the focus group, voters who cast ballots in 2016 and 2020 every single one of them saying they're going to vote for trump again in 2024. if they have the opportunity to what extent does the indictment play into trump's long standing theme that the democrats are out to get him at any cost >> i think that's exactly right. i mean, trump has played this victim card very successfully. he claims that he's the subject of political persecution, and there is -- that resonates for the big part of the republican base so i think this explains why partly the reason joe biden has been quiet about this. because to the extent that he piles on or appears to be piling

on, it could look like he's trying to exploit this for a political advantage. so he can't really do that because it would give trump an argument and it might further solidify trump's support among the base >> we are watching very closely with both of you guys in the future peter and mark, thank you so much. coming up, classified documents laying out ukraine war plans leaked what the pentagon is doing about it. first, island hopping on a yacht, flying on a private jet, staying at a luxurious private resort, that's what clarence thomas is saying about the fancy trips he took, reportedly paid for by a wealthy republican donor. we'll listen to what he has to say about it if you have this... consider adding this. an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't... and let you see any doctor. any specialist.

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an extensive report on the alleged conduct of supreme court justice clarence thomas is leading to calls for investigations and even impeachment by some. according to that report, justice thomas and his wife took lavish trips over many years on private jets to exclusive resorts paid for by a billionaire republican donor, but none of it was publicly disclosed. justice thomas released a statement reading early in my tenure at the court, i sought guidance from my colleagues and others in the judiciary and was

advised that this sort of personal hospitality from close personal friends who did not have business before the court was not reportable laura jarrett has more >> it reads like the pages of travel and leisure, an exclusive resort in upstate new york, island hopping around indonesia valley yacht, rides on a private jet, luxury vacations for a sitting supreme court justice, provided by billionaire gop megadonor, harlan, a long time friend to clarence thomas. reporters for pro publica interviewed doszens of staff members to piece together two decades of thomas's extravagant trips. >> we don't have direct evidence that anyone has used these trips to try to influence justice thomas there's an enormous amount we

don't know about what happens on these trips. >> reporter: nbc news has not independently verified private flight records and a spokesperson for the supreme court did not comment. the jet setting lifestyle reported by propublica, has the more modest image thomas projects. >> i prefer going across the rural areas, the rv park, the walmart parking lots to the beaches. >> reporter: in a statement to nbc, crowe called thomas and his wife ginny dear friends who have never asked for this hospitality, and said he never sought to influence on any legal or political issue unlike other federal judges, supreme court justices don't have an ethics code. and don't have to disclose meals and stays at private homes or other entertainment that is personal hospitality but the disclosure exemptions were updated to clarify trips on private planes must be reported. >> the natural inclination is for conservatives to say i

innocuous and i'm coming in the middle saying it's not as clear as supposed. >> joining me now a former law clerk to then judge but now justice sonia sotomayor, and a professor of law at nyu, melissa murray good to have you on the show you have worked in the court system for in years, i'm curious yes reaction to the story, and the fact that the math doesn't really add up because clarence thomas was appointed to the supreme court in 1991. that was 32 years ago, and he claims that he became friends with this big republican donor a couple of decades ago. let's even split the difference and say 25, 26, 27 years ago, he was still a sitting member on the united states supreme court when they became friends so doesn't that complicate things >> certainly beggars believe to think this republican

multimillionaire megadonor would have been interested in clarence tom a the commissioner of the eeoc, or a lowly staffer to john danforth of missouri they became friends at a moment in which clarence thomas was at the height of his career at the highest court in the land. even if it is entirely coincidental, the point of the ethics disclosures is not necessarily to actually identify episodes of corruption, although that's certainly part of it, it's to minimize the appearance of impropriety, and what we have here, whether or not there is actual corruption underlying it, is broadly, the appearance of impropriety. a sitting justice going for lavish trips at the expense of this multimillionaire mega donor to republican causes, causes that are repeatedly before the supreme court. so the idea that harlan crow doesn't have business before the court, that's one thing, but he funds a number of causes that

bring business in front of the supreme court and just thomas. >> and he introduces clarence thomas and ginni thomas to friends of his who might be orbiting in the stratosphere let me talk about the statement, he references coming changes to the disclosure guide license, we're going to put up the statement now, where he says the guidelines are now being changed, as the committee of the judicial conference responsible for financial disclosure for the entire federal judiciary just this past month announced new guidance, and it is of course my intent to follow this guidance in the future. do you know the changes that he's referring to, and would that be an actual mechanism for oversight for the course and by the way, would the supreme court, would they be policing themselves on this? >> as you know, the supreme court is the one that has to police themselves on this matter, but to be very clear, it is true that there are new ethics guidelines that are going to be in place, and justice thomas apparently is willing to comply with them, but some of the transactions or some of the

episodes that were identified in this pro publica report would ostensibly be required to be disclosed under the old law. the old ethics regulations said you didn't have to report instances where someone extended hospitality to you, food, lodging, entertainment, in their homes. that seems to go well beyond a private plane or a trip, private transportation in lou of commercial transportation, so at the very least he should have been disclosing these flights on a private jet that were provided by this republican mega donor, and he didn't. so it's true now he specifically has to disclose those things, but argue ably, although it was not explicit, he should have done so. it's the appearance of impropriety. >> absolutely. melissa murray, thank you so much for weighing in coming up, invasion of privacy, a report that tesla workers shared images and video taken from the cameras in

customers' cars, some sensitive, some moundane, but all of it private. they shared it on the company's internal messaging system. we're going to have details after the break.

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workers shared photos and videos captured by the car's cameras on the caompany's internal messagin system and on one in one communications in 2021 and 2022 as entertainment during the workday. the shared images ranged from mundane pictures of dogs to highly invasive with one ex-employee with a video of a man approaching a tesla video completely naked and also shared, road rage incidents and crashes, including one video showing a tesla hitting a child riding a bike at a high speed in a residential area nbc news has not confirmed their reporting. tesla does not have a communications department that can be reached for comment it was dissolved by owner elon musk back in 2020. joining me now is nbc news technology correspondent jacob ward jacob, welcome what more do we know about how this is happening and for how

long >> well, alex, we know that, you know, anyone who has sat inside a tesla understands that it is covered in cameras itst it's part of what makes them able to park themselves, and in some cases, pilot themselves it turns out as recently as last year, there has been a culture inside the company of sharing images and video that come from those cameras. it turns out that employees of the company would use them to entertain one another, to make comments, and of course also use them for legitimate review purposes as well but all of this, of course, bumps right up against tesla's privacy policy which states that in order for camera recordings for fleet learning to be shared with tesla, your consent for data sharing is required, and can be controlled through the vehicle's touch screen at any time even if you choose to opt in, unless we receive as a result of a safety event, camera recordings remain anonymous and

are not linked to you or your vehicle. it's not how widespread this was. we don't know to what degree to know whether it is you in particular we know as of a few years ago, according to reuters, it was possible to gio tag these images down to a map location which of course would help people identify a person if they wanted to i should point out the broader context makes this galling for tesla owners who have fought in the past to retrieve their own data from their own vehicles tesla has historically been very reluctant to share that even in cases of crashes and criminal investigations oftentimes tesla owners have had to subpoena their own data in order to get it or have had to pay expensive added subscription fees to get into them. the idea that there was a circulation of images inside the country will be frustrating to those who have fought for that in the past. >> the geo tag could k negate t

anonymity. joining me is linette lopez. we were talking during the break, and some of your stuff was revealing. i know you have covered the company for a good long while. is this indicative of tesla culture? >> first, let me say, elon musk kicked journalists off twitter because they were geo tagging his private plan >> there's some irony in that. >> i think there's an irony there. that aside, as i was saying during the break, how you do anything is how you do ever everything, and all of my reporting while i was investigating tesla from 2015 to roughly 2021, indicated a culture where there were no safety protocols put in designing systems, whether that is the surveillance systems and the cameras that are contributing to creating what he calls auto pilot or full self-driving, all of these camera that are around the car or even in the building of these cars there was a lack of safety, a

lack of protocols, a lack of respect for what the consumer and even what employees were doing with the data and with the product. >> so let's talk about these seven former employees they've spoken to reuters and what they say was that the computer program they used at work could show the location as jacob noted and you're talking as well and that reveals potentially where a tesla owner lives, and there's one exemployee that said some of the recordings have been made when cars were parked and turned off. wasn't that something that tesla supposedly ended a few years ago? >> they supposedly ended the practice, but i think we have to see -- we need proof at this point. i've seen too many instances mus consumers, his clients, his customers as guinea pigs to collect data to use for free to build the systems that he uses to create autopilot.

now, and full self-driving, create this kind of brain for the cars that he's trying to create and this is extremely important in the tesla ecosystem if you want full self-driving, you pay $15,000 for it so this is important money to him and he needs to build this system and he's building it on the back of his customers' privacy and of their personal space. >> let me ask you. you speak about money. hasn't tesla had to lower the price of tesla cars something like five times over the last year i mean, how is the company doing financially? >> well, you know, their margins are being compressed because of the lowering prices and because of entering competition from all these other car makers that are making evs and the way tesla has dealt with competition or with slower growth is by putting out new models or by moving into new markets. and that is becoming difficult for elon to do right now you're starting to see he's under a lot of stress. his tweets are getting even more unhin nld over the last week or.

so that's also because twitter is driving him crazy too that's not making any money either he has problems. >> we just say good luck with all that thank you very much, linnette lopez. good to see you. meantime, up next we have classified ukraine war plans surfacing on twitter and telegram so what's in the documents and what impact could the leak have on the front lines? on you? for softer clothes that are gentle on your skin, try downy free & gentle downy will soften your clothes without dyes or perfumes. the towel washed with downy is softer, and gentler on your skin. try downy free & gentle. (vo) businesses nationwide are switching to verizon business internet. (woman) it's a perfect fit for my small business. (vo) verizon has business internet solutions nationwide. (man) for our not-so-small business too. (vo) get internet that keeps your business ready for anything. from verizon. i love it when he strips for me. we strip as a pack. i don't care who sees me strip. josh, you strip? breathe right opens your nose for nasal congestion relief you can feel right away. helping you breathe better day or night, here or there.

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investigating how classified war documents detailing secret american and nato plans for building up the ukrainian military ahead of a planned offensive against russian troops appeared on social media earlier this week. joining me right now from kyiv is nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley okay, matt, this is kind of serious. what can you tell us about this leak how damaging is it and are there plans still out there being circulated online? >> yeah, alice the documents themselves aren't necessarily going to be damaging in terms of what's going on on the front line because these are actually six weeks old but they do offer some really interesting insights into some of the war plan that's been going on they do give some information about some of the troop build-up, the constitution of some of these units that the ukrainians have been deploying, and interestingly some of the expenditure of some of the ammunition, particularly when it comes to weapons like himars and some of the u.s.-provided weapons systems that have been used by the ukrainians to great effect against the russians.

but it also appeared to have been modified from its original format and this was the language of the "new york times" who broke the story used it looked as though some of the estimates that the u.s. had for russian losses were actually wound down they gave about -- they said about 16,000 to 17,500 russian troops had been killed but most public u.s. estimates say it's more like 200,000 and again, that was something that people who were analyzing these documents were able to discern. so again, because this is so old, this is probably not going to have much of an impact on how the war's being fought on the front line or even on that much-anticipated ukrainian offensive that is supposed to be coming in the next couple of weeks. if anything the main effect it will have is on the relthsship between kyiv and washington. we we he just saw here today we heard reports that leaders here are huddling trying to figure out how those documents leaked in washington and there's probably going to be a lot of concern here in kyiv about information sharing between the u.s. and the ukrainians, which again, the ukrainians have benefited a great deal from american intelligence

information, especially when it comes to targeting and using some of those weapons that the u.s. has provided. alex >> to this point you're making about benefiting, yes, to that point about the united states and ukraine. but who benefits by this leaked information? it's notable you make the comment about 16,000, 17,000 russians dead when there's another count of upwards of 200,000 by united states knowledge intel. so who's benefiting from this? >> and this is something the ukrainians have been hitting on from the very beginning. they say this is just a disinformation campaign by the russians and even some pro-russian military bloggers. just bloggers, right but these are actually people who are speaking on telegram they're very close to the kremlin. and they offer some real insights, given there's not a lot of information about the war coming out of the kremlin, they are almost an official mouthpiece, and they have said some of these pro-russian bloggers that this could be

american disinformation. so it looks like people on both sides aren't really believing this but we heard from mykhailo po dol yak. one of the top advisers to the ukrainian president. and he said look, if this information was real, if the kremlin believed they had this real hard data that could actually turn the tide of the war, then the russians wouldn't have released it onto social media platforms like twitter and telegram they have would have held on to it, not told anyone about it and used it to their advantage and that's not what happened zbl sblulth fascinating. matt bradley, appreciate that. and that does it for me today i'll see you right back here tomorrow at noon eastern and sunday at 1:00 p.m. eastern. and be sure to tune in monday at 10:00 a.m. eastern for the premiere of "ana cabrera reports. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪ hi there, everyone it's 4