"the reidout" with joy reid is up next. we are following two major stories tonight on the right's minority rule attack on democracy. good evening welcome to "the reidout. right now, vice president kamala harris is speaking in tennessee after meeting this afternoon with the tennessee three, and we're going to get to that in a moment but first, in just the last hour, we got breaking news out of texas a major ruling we have been waiting for. federal judge matthew kacsmaryk has officially put the fda's approval of mifepristone, the abortion pill, on hold he's given the federal government seven days to seek emergency relief this is the biggest blow to abortion access since the reversal of roe. the case affects access to the drug not just in texas but in every state in the united states all across the country

joining me now is nbc legal analyst lisa reuben, along with the president of naral pro choice america we are waiting for them right now, but i want to let you know we're following both of these two stories so we will have the speech that we know vice president kamala harris gave at this university in tennessee, that was happening while we were waiting to come on the air, and this ruling came down just a moment ago let me tell you a little bit about this judge in his writings, matthew kacsmaryk out of texas has described being transgender as a mental disorder. he's called homosexuality disordered he has had sexual revolutionaries have made the unborn child and marriage secondary tothe desires of liberated adults he sided with a christian father that anyone under the age of 18 in the state of texas needs approval by their parent before getting birth control. he is a university of texas law

school graduate who has focused his attention on the legal foundations for aborgtion right. he attended federalist society meetings along with representative chip roy of texas, who said the two would regularly talk about roe v. wade and what they viewed as supreme court overreach on abortion. he has a long history as a volunteer for republican campaigns, including those of ted cruz, john cornyn, and governor greg abbott, and lastly, he's presiding over a lawsuit that was filed by a anti-vax activists led by robert f. kennedy jr., who steve bannon is looking to run for president in 2024. accusing several media outlets of colluding to censor their views on the covid vaccine he's a right winger in every sense of the word and he's now stayed the approval that dates back to 1988 of the abortion pill joining me now is msnbc legal analyst lisa reuben. lisa, i should say i'm sorry,

the approval dates back to 2000. mifepristone has been fda approved since 2000 for a use of a drug in a two-step process for abortions. so lisa, tell us what this ruling means i know it just happened. you just now had a chance to read it. lay it out for us, what does this ruling mean >> you're being generous by saying i had a chance to read if i had a chance to skim it. what this ruling means is no less than a total disaster for america's women and girls. and here's why, joy. the plaintiffs in this case, they asked for an order that would require the fda to withdraw or suspend its approval of mifepristone, and according to people who are expert in fda law, that's a process that likely would have taken several months just given the way that the regulatory framework for the fda works. instead, what justice kaczmarek did here was stay the fda's approval of mifepristone in 2000 if you're asking what does that

mean it essentially freezes the world for the fda before that september 2000 approval. it's as if they never approved mifepristone in the first place. now, he's put a pause on his order for seven days to give the fda represented by the department of justice a chance to appeal it, but if this ruling sticks, this means a world in which mifepristone is likely not available throughout the united states, and which medication abortion is available only through the other of the two drugs in the regimen that's a much more painful process. it's also laden with more risks than both drugs combined and we're going to live in a world that is increasingly coming closer and closer to the one that margaret atwood imagined in the handmaid's tale. i never thought i would see today happen much less last june happen >> the thing that makes this so outrageous is republicans have long made the argument that their problem with roe v. wade is that it nationalized an issue that they felt belonged in the states

they ought each lab of democracy ought to make its own rules for abortion, states' rights what this judge has done is to say no, california can't make its own decisions. this drug is illegal in california it's illegal in new york, it's illegal in michigan that just won back the right for women to have control of their own bodies illegal in kansas where there was a referendum in people were asked, do you want to codify abortion rights, yes, we do. this judge has overruled it. this from a federalism standpoint, it really puts the lie, doesn't it, to what the right has always said they wanted what they want is a national ban on abortion. this is a step toward that >> that's exactly right. and they won't stop until they get to fetal personhood. i'm convinced of that. this is anti-federalist in two ways because the dobbs decision, as you recognize, said it was time to take the issue of abortion out of the courts and return it to the people's elected

representatives. and clearly, the decision that judge kacsmaryk has made today makes that impossible for people who live in staunchly pro-choice states like california and vermont, but also in places like kansas and michigan and kentucky that's one way in which it's anti-federalist. the other way is of course with respect to the regulation of drugs, which is something that's always been left to congress to decide, and to the fda there was an argument that could have been made here that fda regulations preempt state law where it comes to the regulation of medications whether it's for abortion or for chemotherapy, that the fda reigns supreme that's an argument that could have been made by the department of justice and wasn't, and is partially why we find ourselves here and why i'm so frustrated and impassioned right now in talking about this ruling. >> let's talk about the pragmatic impact of this if the fda's approval is stayed, does that make it illegal to possess or sell or purchase

mifepristone >> no buts and here's what i'll say, the comstock act, which is a federal statute on the books, makes it illegal to basically send abort afashantses or drugs that cause abortion through the mail. the biden administration has a policy issued by the department of justice that says essentially we don't intend to enforce the comstock act, but that law is still on the books it was one of the basises through which more than 20 state attorneys general threatened walgreens when they announce thad were going to participate with the fda in making medication abortion available through retail pharmacies. so there is a law on the book that makes it unlawful to send mifepristone through the mail that the biden administration isn't going to enforce it doesn't mean that it won't be enforced by a future president if it's not taken off the books by congress. >> one more question, and i'm going to bring in alexis in a moment i want to ask you one more

question we know the supreme court six, the six right-wingers in the majority in the supreme court, one of them, clarence thomas, with all his other ethical problems, has presaged he would like to get a case that would also make -- that would also make birth control illegal we know that that was another supreme court ruling that he would like to get back along with rulings on the rights of gay americans to live their lives as well. could the same kind of construct that we just saw here, a lawsuit that goes to a fall right wing judge, end up making birth control illegal? could they use the same tactic >> i could see that happening here and one of the things that they're going to do is try to pit two constitutional rights against one another. so for example, while the right to contraception is rooted in the right to privacy that's a long standing supreme court precedent, have that bump

up against, for example, religious freedom, which is what they have used in a number of cases where they're trying to erode lgbtq rights the other way that i think they could effectuate that is by claiming the mantel of purental rights there's a long line that say parents have the right to raise their children in the way they see fit. you see that parental rights framing undergirding a number of really pernicious statutes around the country, everything from crt to gender affirming health care to now abortion too. judge kacsmaryk has issued one of those rulings saying that texas parents have a right to prevent their kids without consent from accessing oral contraceptives, for example, through the federally funded family planning grant program. so i can see a situation where through parental rights or through religious freedom they're going to attack birth control next i think it's coming. you're right >> well, parental rights except if you want your children to learn african american history or read books by black people or

gay people or jewish people. then you don't have any rights it's a weird way the parental works only work for right wing christians hopefully you can stay with me for a little bit i hope i can keep you around i want to bring in alexis magill johnson. i want to get your reaction to the ruling by the texas right-wing judge to stay the approve, the fda approval of mifepristone >> thank you, joy. look, this is a reckless decision this is a decision that is based on junk science. it's going to have devastating consequences for patients. the thing i want to most be clear about right now is that for at least the next seven days, access is still available for patients and it's important to say that because we know that all of these rulings, all of these bills that have been introduced over the last however long have meant that people are sowing chaos and confusion for people

right now for the people making decisions about what they need to do in this moment, they're still able to get access to care but for this to happen in this week, the same week when voters went to the ballot in wisconsin and demonstrated how much they cared about making their own decisions for themselves, for this judge to come down and make it clear that no respect for our ability to make decisions about our own bodies is incredibly telling. this is a clear crisis, not only for democracy but for freedom. >> well, i mean, i think those who have read the handmaid's tale or watched the series understand it was a right wing christian religious cult essentially that took over the united states and stripped women of all of their rights, leaving them with only choices to be a handmaid essentially forced birth incubator or be a prostitute or a maid which it sounds pretty spot-on with what a lot of folks in the country think are the only

purposes women have in the world. i want to bring in mini to this conversation she's the president of naral pro choice america your initial reaction. >> look, this decision tells us we were spot on about who matthew kacsmaryk is you know, we read through the opinion, my team is still reading through it, doing the analysis, but our understanding is he evokes all of the most horrific, extreme arguments against medication abortion in this case. and he makes it clear that is the direction he is willing to head short of a fifth circuit action, so it's not a surprise it is -- that does not make it any less distressing and in light of what has happened this week in places like idaho and to alexis' point, the strength of the community in wisconsin, it's really, really discouraging this judge went ahead with this most extremist route and we're just hoping the doj and the fifth circuit will take quick action. >> and alexis, if you could sort

of give us the state of play here medication abortion, that's about half or a little more than half of the ways in which women obtain this health care, right >> yes, absolutely consistently so. and i think even increasingly more important, given the fact that we are now nine months post the dobbs decision, we have seen over 300 restrictions introduced in 46 states and states have no access to abortion or limited access, and medication abortion is one of the ways in which people are able to make decisions in time to not have to travel in ways that will deny them access so this is not just about what's happening in texas the fact that this case against the fda approval means that it's going to impact new york and california and illinois and vermont and all of the places where people are now traveling way out of the south in order to

get access to care and so this is the entire country, the entire nation needs to be on watch now that our literally our ability to have equal control over our bodies is under attack >> and mini, we have already seen in the state of idaho a bill to make it illegal to travel so they're already starting to lock women in and say you can't move, you can't travel and in this case, they're talking about anyone under 18, but that means an aunt, an older sister, a doctor, they're trying to frighten people into even helping women. we have seen that in texas with this bounty law. so what you're seeing is the right to abortion being squeezed by making doctors afraid to treat you, by making your family members afraid to help you, by making an uber driver afraid to drive you. by saying that if you travel across state lines or get close to the border in the state of idaho, then you might have mifepristone with you, that's a crime. and making in a state of south

carolina, they're proposing potentially adding the death penalty. this is the handmaid's tale, as lisa said. women in this country are essentially being told, you are an incubator, the state owns your body the minute you're pregnant, and there's nothing you can do and no one you can turn to. i can't imagine anything closer to slavery than that >> this is all by design look, the way that patients have been getting served post-dobbs particularly in texas where i am right now with my family because i'm from texas, has been by folks leaving their state, right? going across borders, going to clinics like planned parenthood, right there at the border of some of these states, getting access to mifepristone, which is incredibly safe, as we said many times. safer than tylenol, has been approved for over 23 years, and getting access to that care through telemedicine in some cases. so these laws that you just

outlined are designed to close the last available possibility for the most desperate americans who need this care and it is wild, completely dy dystopian, as you said, completely evil, and designed to intimidate and create a perfect storm of confusion for patients. and it's so important to call out the opposition here. groups like susan b. anthony who have been blaming providers for being unclear to their patients, and it is truly beyond the pale that they're still making those arguments when they have designed these laws in a way to create mass confusion and maximum harm to american women >> and knowing that rich women will just get on a plane and fly to europe. it's poor women, women of color who will suffer. what is the root for this? the fifth circuit gets it, what happens? my fear is it winds up right back at the supreme court, and samuel alito and his smugness and reverence for the 19th century simply says, too bad, so sad. you are incubators get over it.

>> my fear, too. i mean, the one thing i can say is that on one hand, the supreme court might be better or slightly better than the fifth circuit. it is the most idealogical of our federal circuit courts of appeals right now. i don't have any confidence that the fifth circuit will either stand up for women or even stand up for the right of the fda to decide which drugs are safe and effective. i mean, this decision doesn't just undermine women and their right to abortion. it undermines the entire regulatory state, which is a larger project of the larger conservative movement. they don't want federal agencies to have power to make decisions. because they don't like what happens in things they care about, like oil and gas and the environmental movement they want agencies to have less power. with respect to the supreme court, joy, i think the one thing that we can say is that judge kacsmaryk has so squarely across the board decided for the plaintiffs on everything from

whether they had standing to bring the suit to whether they exhausted their administrative remedies at the fda, i'm hoping the supreme court can poke holes in one of the things that allowed to plaintiffs to even bring this case in the first place, because it has legal experts like me scratching their heads about whether you can 23 years after the fact challenge a decision by the fda. >> this is minority rule, everyone this is why you vote except when you vote, they just expel the people that you voted for. this is minority rule. this is a seizure of democracy, the minority in this country, let's be clear, they have a minority view. they're 30/sfebt on all of these issues and they're seizing control of you we need to pay attention to this thank you very much. >> up next, the other major story tonight. the fallout from the expulsion of two young black lawmakers antidemocracy, the war on democracy, we're in it we're in it.

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while what we saw yesterday in tennessee may have been shocking, it was by no means surprising, especially for a state that has a history of power grabs, particularly in the city of nashville. it all started in february of last year when the republican-led general assembly gerrymandered davidson county containing nashville, slicing the most populous and liberal area of the state into three safely republican districts. then in august, when tennessee republicans wanted to bring the 2024 republican national convention to nashville, the democratic-led city council shot it down. which in turn led republicans to attempt to cut the 40-member council in half. passing legislation that caps all municipal governing bodies

to no more than 20 members, something that only applies to nashville and diminishes black representation on the city council. then the republicans took it further by pushing legislation that essentially defunds nashville's convention center and gives the state control over the airport as well as concert and sports venues. there's also a history between this republican legislature and the two now expelled representatives, justin jones and justin pearson in 2019, jones attended a protest to remove a statute of confederate general nathan bedford forrest, one of the founders of the ku klux klan that was displayed in the state's capitol. lawmakers actually tried to get jones banned from the capitol building and claimed he was a danger to public safety for allegedly throwing a liquid at a republican member during that protest. a judge shot that down and this february, when pearson was sworn in, he faced the outrage of his republican colleagues for wearing a

dashiki, a traditional west african garment on the house floor. he said it was his way of paying homage to the ancestors who made that opportunity possible, but republicans went after him for defying the house's nonexistent dress code and tweeted that he should explore a different career opportunity so what happened this past week in tennessee did not come out of the blue it appears to be the culmination of personal vendettas against two young black members of the legislative body as well as political retaliation from a republican-led state legislature. joining me now is michael eric dyson, professor otafrican american studies at vanderbilt study. it's like everything everywhere all at once, and history repeating itself because i think about the war to end reconstruction by the klan that was founded by nathan bedford forrest. their purpose was to undo multiracial democracy and break it apart and to seize all the economic

resources and make sure that black people couldn't share it in vuvoila, they're doing it again. >> this is the backlash to that reconstruction after every moment of reconstruction in this country, where the attempt to right democracy for african american people, there has been a strong white backlash, a predictable denial of opportunity. a curving, if you will, a curving of the access to democracy by black people. so if they're voting too much, stop them from voting. if you can't stop them from voting, make it difficult to vote let's gerrymander the districts, let's draw strange geography to make a district run from one end of the state to the other with thin slices to prove that they're in control and then, to come up with the most ludicrous and ridiculous forms and rules to negate and nullify what the democratically elected officials are capable of

doing. the people called them into existence, put them in office, and now they're trying to use rules to block them. and here's the most fascinating thing about the republicans. they never seem to learn if you give black folk the stuff they ask for in the first place, the changes won't be as radical as if you resist them and then force the hands not only of african american people but their allies to show just how ridiculous it is for you to stonewall and blockade against democracy. for instance, in the boycott in 1955 and '56 in montgomery, all they wanted was, hey, when the white folk are not there, let's take their seats and let us sit down no, we don't want anything you pushed it so far that they changed the entire law, and it allowed the -- the supreme court ruled that segregation on transportation was wrong again, they have overplayed their hand these young men yesterday before

their episode in the state house there were relatively unknown except to their constituencies now they're globally recognized avatars of a fight against anti-democracy they are anti-racist, multiracial democracies that they're calling into existence, and they're speaking for predominantly white kids who were murdered at the hands of a person who wielded automatic weapons, even when their own children are at stake, if a black voice, a black tongue, a black consciousness is shaping the interpretation of the law that will apply to them, they are seen as collateral damage and to hell with their lives as well >> let me play some of justice jones. >> what you're really showing for the world is holding up a mirror to a state that is going

back to some dark, dark roots. a state in which the ku klux klan was founded is now attempting another power grab by silencing the two youngest black representatives in one of the only women, democratic women in this body. that's what this is about. let us be real today >> and if we're keeping it real, there's a huge economic piece to this, michael. this is a theft. nashville, tennessee, so these two young men represent parts of nashville and memphis, two of the biggest cities in the state. nashville alone contributes $36.81% of the gdp of the state of tennessee, $369.57 billion, meaning a third of their gdp just from nashville, but it's a blue city. what they have done is cut it up and done this outrageous reduction in their council, so each person that normally

represents 20,000 would have to represent 4,000 and they will reduce immediately the number of black people on the council. they're cutting off not just these two but they're saying nashville itself will have less black representation shelby county where memphis is will have less black representation, and they, the white republican state-wide leaders who live in rural parts of the state, will control the airport, they'll control the stadium, they'll control the economy of nashville they are seizing the economic resources of these two major metropolitan areas to punish them for not wanting the republican national convention make it make sense >> brilliantly laid out. they are reprosecuting the confederacy and the war against the states they are reprosecuting an enraged assault upon the very african american people who are the heart of the democracy that detest and they're trying to recrackify the entire government by

appealing to right wing tyrannical white supremacist ideology to justify and legitimate and indeed to validate their attempts to undermine democracy. joy, what you just laid out, this is anti-democratic. not big "d," small "d. this is the ostensible umbrella that protects us all and they're trying to yank it away from those two black men, and what they have done is allowed the ring to fall down and to expose the things they're doing. the behind the scenes shenanigans, the strategies to rejigger the economy so that they can justify and legitimate the assault upon african american and poor white people eventually, it ends up backfiring because if those rudders are removed, the ship of state will be in chaos as we see now, the attention of the nation will be trained upon what's going on here in nashville. before, they were doing it in secret if you keep it quiet, if you

keep it relatively, you know, under the radar, so to speak, you can achieve some horrible ends what they have done is exposed the lunacy and the ludicrous character of white supremacy, and it will always destroy itself if left to its own devices. >> well said it is theft, and we're going to talk about it more michael eric dyson, thank you. >> still ahead, we'll talk with two members of the tennessee legislature. they'll join me on the continued fallout from the expulsion of justin jones and justin pearson. i'm going to ask them about the attempted economic seizure of nashville. stay with us 0 couples will neede room for a nursery. (man) ah ha (vo) 26 people will go all-in (woman) yes! (vo) this family will get two bathrooms. and finally, one vacationer will say... (man) yeah, woo, i'm going to live here... (vo) but as the euphoria subsides, the realization hits... i've got to sell the house. (all) [screams] (vo) don't worry, just sell and buy in one move when you start with opendoor. “oh wow.” (vo) oh yes. start with an all-cash offer at opendoor dot com

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on thursday, the tennessee house ruled by a republican majority voted to expel two young black democratic legislators for demanding gun reform today, the tennessee three learned that the president and vice president of the united states have their backs. president biden called them and thanked them for their leadership in seeking to ban assault weapons and for standing up for our democratic values and he invited them to the white house. vice president kamala harris traveled to tennessee today to show her support >> they understood the importance, these three, of standing to say that people will not be silenced. to say that a democracy hears the cries, hears the pleas,

hears the demands of its people, who say the children should be able to live and be safe and go to school and not be in fear >> make no mistake, tennessee republicans stripped 130,000 tennesseans of representation in the state house. republican speaker cameron sexton defended this unprecedented move, claiming he wanted to maintain house order and didn't want democrats to set a new precedent for breaking decorum. republicans say representative justin jones, justin pearson, and gloria johnson broke decorum by speaking out last week about the shooting at the covenant school in nashville. sexton compared the actions of three tennessee lawmakers standing in the floor of the house in which they served, to what happened on january 6th his accusations are both laughable and deeply insulting on january 6th, hordes of trump supporters violently assaulted police, destroyed public

property, and defecated in the capitol. in tennessee, three democratic lawmakers spoke out of turn because the speaker turned off their microphones and silenced them oh, and they had a bull horn, totally the same as a violent insurrection, right? here's the thing they don't actually care about decorum. during justin pearson's expulsion, republican andrew farmer lectured pearson on how he should behave his comments burr dripping in condescension and disdain. >> just because you don't get your way, you can't come to the well, bring your friends, and throw a temper tantrum with an adolescent bull horn don't stop by commandeering the wealth while we're conducting business that's why you're standing there, because of that temper tantrum that day for that yearning to have attention. that's what you wanted well, you're getting it now. so i'll just advice you, if you

want to conduct business in this house, file a bill >> the members were unbowed and unbothered because this isn't really about decorum it's about stifling democracy and consolidating power, and ignoring an ever-changing, ever frustrated electorate. the glaring tell was the adjudication of the perceived crime. only two of the members were expelled and they just so happened to be black the expulsions, while a lasting stain on tennessee and on american democracy, could be short-lived. the city council for representative justin jones' district is expected to reinstate him on monday. it is unclear what will happen with expelled representative justin pearson joining me are two democratic members of the tennessee state house, representative john ray clemens, the democratic caucus chair, and sam mackenzie, chairman of the tennessee black caucus i want to play you, for you, representative clemens you were kind of giving me life during your moment to present at that expulsion hearing

let's just play that >> we're talking about nothing less than 75 people overruling the wishes of 78,000 people. and you're going to cut off debate give me a break. is this a circus you are talking about kicking somebody out of this body. grow up. if you can't sit through a conversation or a debate on something no less than expelling a colleague, grow up get out of here. you don't belong here. >> they obviously didn't listen to you, representative i want to ask you because your represent an area of nashville, and you talked about, i believe your district is not far from former representative jones' district i want to ask you about what we were talking about in the previous block how much of this fight is about cowing nashville and forcing this multiracial city that

contributes one-third of the gdp of the state and cowing them and punishing them for not wanting the rnc convention and seizing control of their economic might? seizing control of the airport, seizing control of the convention center, and essentially turning nashville into a play thing of the maga right? >> well, thank you for having me and for shining a light on this injustice. as you can see from that clip, my colleagues find it very uncomfortable to witness injustice, apparently. even though they were the ones carrying this out. nashville has been under attack from day one memphis is always under attack as well. we continue to face an uphill battle we have one party rule in the state of tennessee and they want to control everything from the state house to the courthouse, and that's what you have seen. and you just laid out all of the bills just from this session alone, and that's just this year this has gone on for years

so they just want to consolidate all power and control all money. i believe in the previous segment you laid out the percentage of the revenue that comes out of the city i represent. me and representative jones represent, our districts abut each other we represent the same neighborhoods. we were redistricted but we share neighborhoods. so the people want him there they knew who they were el electing, and it's offensive for them to violate our democracy and replace him in that manner >> and representative mackenzie, you're chair of the tennessee black caucus it's very clear when they singled out the one white member of the tennessee three and let her survive by one vote, but she's been really brutalized as well i mean, she didn't vote for the house speaker, and she's been punished as well, and she barely survived that vote, and they are sticking together. i do want to talk to you a

little bit about what's happening around the scenes as well in memphis, allegedly, there's a threat overhanging that if justin pearson is reinstated, that memphis will be punished economically that funding for major projects will be taken away if he is reinstated it sounds to me like there is an atmosphere of threat in the state of tennessee around these two young black men. >> it absolutely is. that's unfortunately not the first time that memphis has been threatened with one of those, if you don't get along, this is what we're going to do to you, we're going to cut you off at the knees. it's terribly unfortunate. i'm extremely happy for representative johnson she served knoxville just like i do, but it's eerily awkward when the one person who is exonerated is the person not of color you know, i'm happy for her, but

to have our two youngest african american members expelled for a rules violation, a five to ten-second rules violation, is asinine. it's asinine when they break the rules every day. >> i mean, that is one of the things that was so outrageous, representative you have had a member urinate on the seats of other members you had people accused of multiple sexual violations who were not thrown out, as the great lawrence o'donnell pointed out last night, there's never been a klan member in the state of tennessee ever kicked out of the state legislature for being in the klan. you now have a national spotlight on tennessee you have had president biden and former president obama weigh in. vice president harris was there today. what do you think that national spotlight will do and will it change or alter the course of events >> well, i certainly hope so this is an unfortunate way to

shine a light on tennessee but i sincerely appreciate this white house and this administration. they have been here, stepped up with disaster assistance today the first lady was here holding vigil with our community after the loss last week and the terribly tragedy, and the vice president was here this afternoon. and representative mackenzie and i were able to join her at fisk university, an hbcu here in nashville, tennessee with the light on this situation, i'm glad the light is finally being shown on this because we have been facing injustice in the tennessee house of representatives for years you know, we're not allowed to speak. we're cut off from debate. you know, our bills are killed through sport, when we demand and we're elected by the same amount of people, if not more, than some of our republican colleagues so i hope people know, and i hope they witness yesterday that the tennessee democrats are strong i'm the chairman of the house democratic caucus x i hope everybody came away from that

knowing we stand united. we are intelligent, smart, and strong people who fight for each other. and we have each other's backs and it is a depressing and sad day in the state of tennessee that two of my youngest colleagues who happen to be vocal, strong, and valuable voices within my democratic caucus and the black caucus, have been removed from office. this is unjust, and it's offensive to our democracy, and it's a black eye on the state of tennessee. and we're going to continue to fight together >> and that is the thing, representative mackenzie it is sort of the microcosm of the democratic party versus the republican party the republican party is very monoracial the democratic party is a multiracial party. we can see it right here on the screen with the two of you but this, sort of the theme we're talking about tonight is this abrogation of multiracial democracy. in your state, they have passed

laws or are attempting to banning drag shows, banning abortion, attempting to control women's bodily autonomy. there's an overwhelming demand from young and old tennesseans for gun reform, for red flag laws these are 70/30 issues in favor of change. just talk for a minute, i'm going to let you close, on the anti-democracy piece of this, because that republican majority is denying the will of the majority of tennesseans every single day and punishing two black young lawmakers because they will not comply >> that's absolutely it. this has been brewing for really for years. you know, and they really think that they represent the state of tennessee. it is -- you can cut it with a knife, just the fact that they think that we don't have a voice. their bills should go, ours should be stunted.

issues that are core to our democracy get cut off without any debate that day was just -- it was a culmination of frustration and we have a diverse party, we have a diverse way of expressing ourselves, and it just came out and came through that day. but it's been building they're passing gun laws to have teachers carry guns, without really any training. they're passing these lgbtq laws for no good reason and it just keeps piling on and piling on,and telling us to just sit in the corner while we do the people's business well, the world is shining the light on the state of tennessee right now. >> yes, indeed yes, indeed. it is now a national issue, and as you said, it is an embarrassment, but nashville is a wonderful place, memphis is a wonderful place, and we believe you all will win keep fighting, john ray clemens and sam mackenzie, thank you

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ruling out of texas where on man has decided to pull the fd approval, essentiall nationalizing the issue of making abortion illegal, which is what the right wants. but they are way underwater on that issue most americans oppose effort to ban abortion. they oppose things like then i contraception. they want and laws strengthened they want people to be able to access health care you name it. republicans are underwater o these issues and yet, they persist and forcing them can you make that make sense >> listen, maga's failed politics for them but it keeps getting worse and they continu to escalate. that is why we have to reall understand how we have a stron position and we need to be thinking about expansion o growing our vote demographically an geographically over the next year and a half.

as we just saw in wisconsin, w got all the way up to 55% of the vote and we won by 1 points incredible performance, we hav to be trying to replicate that all across the country over th next 18 months and - would be an important win fo us and a red state, larges city in florida, i think i gives us an opportunity to grow, get big, and really tried to crush maga politically in th next election and to hopefully start losing this grip on th republican party >> the reality is, you sort of shorthanded as maga but this i christian nationalism. there are white christia nationalists, very clearly and one of their totems is tha they want women, essentially t be incubators. they believe that the womb i state property this guy named john from the clermont institute, he had thi tweet thread freak out ove wisconsin in which he said w just lost wisconsin by 15 vote if the pro-life movement doesn't figure it out and ge the republican party on board, the republican party is just

going to abandon the issue and tell voters they just don' care about babies, savin babies and he said that the play need to be to get behind a 15-wee national abortion ban. i mean, in idaho, literall they are passing a law, pushin a law that would allow peopl to - stop people from leaving the state for an abortion. you have not in one other state, which state was it where they are literally passing a law where people could inspect the genitalia of children, of high school kid to make sure that they are not trans. the extremism is happening eve when they lose, and they kno that they have lost so man issues i don't get it >> their party has been overru by extremism it's really the answer, one of our two political parties in america has been overtaken b an extremist ideology and it i getting worse and worse despit them continuing to los elections. it is astonishing to look at

and you are starting to se some republicans like an colder saying that they have t abandon abortion issues, the know how about this is going t be for them politically, and electorally. but they don't care. they are just going to pursu the agenda, and let's just tak ron desantis, your favorite gu from florida, he could have ru on a 15-week abortion ban. instead he is now doing th six-week abortion ban. he is becoming even more of an extreme. so that is where the politic are going. but i think you are seeing around the world, a greate awakening that we have seen on maga you are seeing it in nashville in tel aviv, you've seen it in wisconsin, you've seen it even with disney fighting back in a more public way. and i think that we really need, this is not just about winning the election next year and going big, it is about u having the courage now to stan up to this kind of politics al across the country i think people are ready for that, i think there is a awakening happening in the country that it is getting

worse and that we have to stan up >> and it was kansas where the were passing a law where the could inspect the genitalia of high school kids, despit having a democratic governor having an overwhelming vote fo abortion rights. how do we get voters t concentrate? forget mcilroy, publicans ar pretty much gone, but younge -- even younger white voters ar starting to really realize tha this is happening. how do you get voters to reall vote this interest because you saw in texas tha women were horrified at th thought of losing abortion rights and still voted t reelect greg abbott, or didn't show up at all how do the people who care about democracy get voters t focus and vote to stop this? >> two things, we have to keep winning. we won in wisconsin, we need t win in jacksonville, on ma 16th also democrats need to launch national voter registratio drive for young people immediately. this has to become a huge 2020 34 we cannot wait, we have t expand our electorate.

we have this, guarantee people that run the politics, and continuing to run towards us i 2024 we are in the offense, we have to keep going. >> absolutely. i don't think that you have to scare them, young folks ar woke, they are wide awake. it is the reason why their parents and grandparents are trying to ban history, because they see that their young kids are not down with this man this i'm talking about young whit kids are not down with it, and they are terrified, that is wh they are trying to ban witness in history simon rosenberg, thank you that is tonight's read out all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in, a federa judge in amarillo, texas order medical abortion pills off o shelves across the country i seven days we have the latest assault o reproductive rights. then - >> that is why you are standin there, because of the temper tantrum that day >> republicans against democracy in nashville >> that is what you wanted we are getting it now.