thanks for watching. >> happy saturday, and welcome to morning joe >> do you like your coffee >> i love my coffee. it is a little cold, you hav to get another one for me. >> shall i wait till after the break, because we have a lot t talk about >> i know. >> happy saturday for, us happ saturday for you all it may not be -- for a certain former president who is fingerprinted and arrested on tuesday this week, we will get into that. plus some of the week's othe top stories, take a look >> a great group this mornin on a very big day after donald trump's indictment >> it is a massive day, let' talk to smart people and see

what they think. chuck rosenberg, what is you take >> there is a lot in the indictment that did no surprise me, we have bee hearing for a long time it would be related to the hush money payments and therefore false entries on the books and records of the trump organization but there are some reall fascinating detail in th company statement of facts tha prosecutors filed yesterday, which shows, a couple of things one, their theory for elevatin those false records and thos false entries into felonies, violations of election law state and federal, and the hin of a plan to violate state - law. you also see the sensuality of not just michael cohen to this scheme, but also - clear to me from the statement of facts, and the prosecutor can prove everything in that statement of facts tha minister pecker woul

essentially publishes th national enquirer wa responsible for the catch an kill stories, is a reall important witness. he had private conversations with trump, and in those conversations involved, or included the details of thes hush money payments were going to be made, and what they were for. what they were for was t protect mr. trump in the upcoming election. and so, some things were expected, right? the felonies related to th false and trees an bookkeeping. but the essentiality of mr pecker, i think, puts a ne loss on, this as something and going to watch carefully going forward. >> so, mr. george conway, i am a child and product of the 80s so i must say, after thi indictment came out, i thought about pop culture moments, one where is the beef as far as th felony goes? the second one, the second one

was -- i forget what it was it just kind of blurred. oh, big, this is, big i do not get it i do not get it. what is different from what we have been hearing all along, the wall street journa editorial page says it is to b a felony, brad needs a secon crime. what is it said yesterday, we are not sur what the second crime -- or a don't even have to tell you what the second crime is and so, i talked to a lot of lawyers yesterday, and none of the republicans, none of the trump supporters, all of the saying, this is a little thin. what are your thoughts >> well i disagree, they don't really have to specify this in -- which of the three possibl theories of liability coul bump this up from a misdemeano to a felony. but secondly, and i do think i is very interesting factua issues that were raised by the

statement of facts, but i do not see what the big deal is what people are pandering so much about whether or not this is a misdemeanor or felony there is no question it was crime under new york state laws no question it was at the very minimum a misdemeanor, because these books and records of the trump organization were fals and do not reflect that th hundred $30,000 was paid a hush money to a porn star. the rest of the money was paid to cover up michael cohen, t cover up the hush money -- it is illegal in new york stat to falsify business records, i is - if it is a misdemeanor, it is misdemeanor. you can make the argument, but the fact of the matter is, there is really no dispute tha he could've been in violatio

of law >> is there a statute of limitations question though if it is just a misdemeanor >> i thought he had to prove i was a felony to bump it up to felony to get around the statute of limitations issue >> well, i mean, yes, there is an issue at the statute of limitations. but at the same time, he i still going to be able to have the opportunity to prove tha it is a felony, and there ar -- he has these theories that could bump, up and i'm not sur why at this point people are worried about whether or not these charges were sever enough to justify an indictment this is a man who does not deserve any breaks on any laws in any ways. i mean, he is absolutely given everything, his entire history he is not the person you wan to give a break to he is the world's biggest --

at this point. >> the judge presiding ove former president trump's cas is warning against any statements or social media posts that could incit supporters since news brok that trump would be indicted trump has repeatedly posted on social media site about th case, calling manhattan da alvin bragg a quote, degenerat psychopath asking his followers to protest, warning of potential death and destruction, resulting from th charges against him. prosecutors raised these comments to judge -- in a bid to get an order tha would prevent trump from posting documents from the cas on social media. the judge did not rule on that request, but did advise trum to refrain from making statements that are likely t incite violence, or civi unrest he asked him to avoid rhetoric that could jeopardize the rule of law just hours after the presiding judge advised trump to refrain

from that rhetoric, that could inflame or incite civil unrest the former president went on a extended tirade whil addressing his supporters at mar-a-lago trump attacked the judge calling him a trump hating judge with a trump hating wife he called district attorne alvin bragg a criminal who should be prosecuted, or at th very least resign. trump also went after specia counsel jack smith, calling hi a lunatic, and a bomb thrower, threatening people every singl day through his representative and they are threatening jai terms. and the former president calle new york attorney genera letitia james a racist i reverse. lovely and instead of responding to that, and -- you are saying, we do not know -- to a felony, i think, you know from my perspective, a potential crime that was

committed, no matter what th crime, no matter how, big ho serious the crime is, jump has done a great job a desensitizing the public telling people who would b arrested when he wasn't goin to be arrested, drumming u 24-hour coverage so that by th time it happens, everyone ha already heard everything we have been hearing about thi case for years, alvin brag said there is more evidence. he did not have to share exactly what that was, but m question to you is, no one i saying trump did not do this i don't even hear trump saying that so again, the public politically desensitized t just how and seemingly it migh be for a president to pay off porn star in order to influenc the election, or keep his wife from finding out about it. who knows what his intent was. but could there be a possibility of a secondary indictment, or what are th

potentials that could play out here if a crime indeed was committed? >> well, i mean, he is ver much capable of talking himsel into more trouble. we have seen this from the ver beginning of his presidentia career when he basically too an investigation about whether or not the russians tried to interfere with the 201 election, and made tha investigation essentially al about him and his desire, an attempts to obstruct tha investigation. i remember there was several hundred page report issued b special counsel robert mueller and one half of it was devoted to trump's efforts to derail the investigation. he is perfectly capable of committing crimes, felonies to avoid nothing, which was probably what he had don before he started the muelle investigation.

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have been following this morning out of wisconsin where for the first time in 15 years the state supreme court will have a liberal majority, nbc news can project that milwauke county - has defeated former stat supreme court justice da kelly. joining us now, national political correspondent sh steve kornacki over at the big board. good morning, big implications here for pelosi, perhaps for the future of the vote in th state of wisconsin

>> yes, hot button issues in wisconsin, obviously touch o national hot button issue. the supreme court may be tas in that state with deciding -- in wisconsin have become suc major deals, most expensive by far and as it culminates you say not officially a democra -- a republican line candidate, a democratic aligned candidate winning this thing basically by double digits wisconsin obviously is a dat with a bit more than a yea from now, we will be watchin very closely in the 2024 presidential election. if you start trying to map tha out, it is hard to find republican victory formula i 2024 that does not include winning wisconsin, so with tha we take a look at some of th patterns and chance that stand out, one has to do in th suburban counties immediatel outside of milwaukee, they cal on the wow counties.

it is washington it is - it is washington these are still as you can see on your screen, red, countie we have been talking about suburban counties shifting awa from the republican party, especially the trump republica party. in two of the three counties that has been the story. republicans are still winning, but take a look at how the trend has been moving agains republicans. by the way, nearly 50% of al the votes statewide come out o these three counties i will show you this count last night, it is traditionally republican big suburban county, the republica aligned candidate wins, it but that is a margin of about four and a half points there fo dane kelly in ozawkie county they can look at how this ha moved in recent years, donal trump won here by 12 in 2020 donald trump won here by 19 in 2016, and if you go back just decade, mitt romney was winnin this thing almost 2 to 1 ove barack obama that is the kind of pluralit

-- they barely carried in thi race last, night it was no just there - by far the biggest of thos three wow counties, talkin about again 16 points for kelly, but just rewind, go back i time a bit here, and these numbers have eroded, rahman be scraped -- and again last night, winning, but this is not a traditiona republican victory so the suburbs outside milwaukee, they continue t move away from the republica party, major problem for the republican party in wisconsin, another area of concern fo republicans, you see these three counties, this is brown, county a beginning county, tha is where appleton is this is winnebago county where our scratches. all of these are counties wher donald trump actually carrie in the 2020 presidential election, last night you can see -- the democratic allied candidat actually pulled out victorie in all of them and the final note, the bigges

most liberal - if you combine those, things size and liberalism, i would say the largest combination of size and liberalism and th state is dane county universit of wisconsin, it is wher madison's. democrats just continue, thi is a decade or two story, here to squeeze more and more votes out of dane county last night - 200,000 votes out of thi county, 82% of the vote, tha is believe it or not a improvement of more than six points over what joe biden got here in 2020, and look at this 194,000 votes for th democratic lined candidate dane you go to milwaukee whic almost always produces the mos democratic votes in the stat by far, dane county last night produced more votes for th democratic-led candidate the milwaukee county that is almost 2 to 1 in milwaukee's favor, so these ar big changes in wisconsin >> well, let's bring in someon

who knows so much abou wisconsin, a guy i always call on election night to see how races are going, is found th conservative website - charlie, my guy, it is what we say every day, right republicans huddled trump ar losing the suburbs of atlanta, losing the suburbs of philly losing the suburbs of milwaukee, and here it is hard not to loo at this race, which everybod on both sides, one of the most important races in wisconsin history. the most expensive, and yet, the republican support candidate chance by 11 points, and charlie, it just seems the trend lines keep breakin against trump republicans. >> yes, the result is stunning i mean, in wisconsin everythin is close to elections were 20,000 votes, this one was decided by nearly 200,00 votes. steve's analysis was -

on all the major trends, including my home county o sake county, i'm speaking to you from a hockey county, from the -- to watch these counties go fro overwhelmingly republican, t just barely republican, it i really going extraordinary i waukesha county, then killin needed to get about 60, nine 68% of the vote, he only got about 58%. this is, i mean look, we can over analyze this, but this is the trump effect, and the dobb effect new trend lines are very clear by the way, it is not just the suburbs of milwaukee, th so-called -- out of - winnebago county, these have heavily roman catholic populations, republicans pulle out all the stops. they understood what the stake were, the pro life organizations, mobilizing, and yet they lost this race by mor

than ten points. this is a huge defeat fo republicans. it really does shape their whole state government, but as you point, out the trend lin could not be clearer if republicans go into 202 with a very very stron anti-roe v. wade position, the are going to see the sam patterns you -- highly motivated, but you have voters in the suburbs who -- traditionally republican who voted for a very liberal candidate supreme court last night. that is got to send shockwaves through the republican party i a key swing state. >> coming up, 60 minutes o facing major backlash were interviewing marjorie taylor greene >> huge debate >> is that criticism fair, w will debate, we will be righ back (man) what if my type 2 diabetes takes over?

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interviewed marjorie taylo greene, and it is going abou as well for leslie stole o twitter as you would expect. >> you know, 60 minutes, other news outlets have long interviewed people with whom editorially they severel disagree, -- >> and world leaders >> and world leaders who hol horrific views, norm ornstei wrote -- more than 40, years worked alongside her for many electio weeks, she has been a grea journalist, but this is disgraceful cringeworthy performance, shameful for he -- i respect leslie and 60 minutes,

but airing this is garbage i can go down the list so i ask this, again, knowin leslie, liking, leslie respecting her, an extraordinary journalist, an she has been for a long time i'm just curious, what are you thoughts about putting her o 60 minutes putting mature telegram on 6 minutes? by the way, this is not leading question, i think this is an important debate to, hav if you have a woman who' considered the second most important person in the hous of representatives, becaus kevin mccarthy has made he that she's a person that helped kevin mccarthy become speaker. i'm sure 16 minutes and leslie stahl are thinking, if she i that powerful, americans nee to know what she thinks. on the other side, you have lot of people say she should have never been given that platform what are your thoughts >> well i did not see th interview, joe, i have enormou respect for leslie who hav known for many years i would be in favor of havin

her on marjorie taylor greene, to hear, her to have peopl listen to what she is saying to listen to how deeply sick she is what a distorted view of america she has. what a distorted view of who w are that she has i would want people to hav that information, so they coul make a judgment on her the larger issue, i would, think and this is fo historians, is our obsession our media possession of people like this. people like marjorie taylo greene people like donald trump our obsession with him i decades old, and look where it has brought us but still, the bottom line is, i want that information ou there and available to the public so they can listen to it, so they can measure it some people will say she i great, i think a large numbe of people, the majority of people who listen to what sh says, say she is mentally il and it deeply dangerous.

>> well, jonathan lemire donald trump is right now earl on certainly seems likely to b the republican nominee reporters are going to b interviewing donald trump, donald trump is talking abou terminating the constitution donald trump led a riot on january the 6th, and inspired rate of january the 6th. donald trump praises the peopl who beat the - out of cops, and defeated on the capitol, and tried t overturn an election so we are going to b interviewing donald trump, so, you know, we never eve mentioned marjorie taylo greene's name on the show when she was a backbencher, wasn' going to give anybody oxygen for saying crazy things if the were not relevant. she is now relevant, just like donald trump is relevant, so i guess we can all -

and potentially is not, ther but she is, there and if she is, there and she is the secon most powerful republican in th house, do we not need to hea from her >> the trump comparison is a good, one and i will say roy left of my mind, if it is on the show, we're in my reporting, or even tweeting if i' tweeting something donald trum says, or advise the fact tha he's going to have a new conference, you get a delusion of people saying to not give him oxygen, do not give hi oxygen, ignore it. guess what, if you ignore, him he is not going to go away we don't want to play his game we don't want to dance is, tun but we have to do responsibly. that is what we are trying t do every day i think the media has gotten better at this i think there were rea mistakes made in the 2015 2016 campaign given him unfettere airtime with a fact-checking o context provided we estimate of all short we have gotten better, and w know dramatic improvements throughout his time in offic where --

fact-check, provided context provided and analysis provided and if we are hearing a speech the -- fact checks or an anchor would've in an, out the same with the written word an context that would call him ou on his lies to say what he i doing. the same principle was here fo this congresswoman who is now, whether people like it or not, extremely influential voice in the republican party, and wort hearing from her, we just need to do it as contextual way >> people need to know, people need to know if she thinks -- why don't we play a clip leslie tried to talk polic with mtg, here is an example o that >> janet yellin, says if we do not raise the debt ceiling that this country will b thrown into an economic an financial catastrophe. and so, i'm asking you, if you are willing to risk that

>> you know whatan economic cats again, the people who have spent 31 trillion dollars that forced the situation happen. >> wait a minute, trump is a much irresponsible - >> everybody, republicans, democrats, all before i go here >> would you be willing to vot for compromise, in other words raise some taxes >> i don't think we have a revenue problem in washington, we have a spending problem >> you know something, that is glib that is glib what does that mean? the two sides have to come together, and hammer it out. >> cut spending. both sides need to cut spending cut the bill up money, a lot o green energy spending. >> but are you willing to le us go into default >> no. i have always said i wouldn' do that. >> so would you compromise >> it depends. >> on taxes?

>> no, i'm not raising taxes >> so, much of that is mainstream republican, including the part where you talk about a 31 trillion dolla national debt, if you are no primarily -- donald trump who raised th debt more than you know, presidents of the first 22 years, first 210 years of this republic but, that is mainstrea republican, but of course went off the tracks right here. >> the democrats are a party o pedophiles >> i would definitely say so they support grooming children >> they are not pedophiles, wh would you say that >> and democrats support eve joe biden the presiden supports children bein sexualized and havin transgender surgeries. sexualizing children is what pedophiles do two children >> wow okay >> it is -

>> i think it is important this is what they do at 60 minutes. they bring a person like this, or a foreign leader, they go into a situation where they as the questions and show their viewers what they are dealin with and i think she did an exceptional job as usual, just because, and i take issue with those tweets and both thos people, if they sat down wit marjorie taylor greene, coul they do it as well, because it should be done we do need to cover thes people we need to show all sides of the story, and i'm talking about democrats, republicans people on the far-right, trumpers who would not - some would argue, do not represent the true conservativ republican party and movement, and i do not understand what she did wrong. >> coming, up as donald trum deals with the fallout of hi arrest on tuesday, the atlantic's -

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voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ >> let's bring in stafford a the atlantic, he is the author of - thank you for your servitude donald trump's washington an the price of submission. mark, you have a new piece i the atlantic, and handle trump's republican rivals ar

missing, and obvious opportunity. you argue that now is an ideal moment for republicans to free themselves from the former president, but they are no exactly taking advantage of it you write in part, quote, th popular assumption among republicans that trump's indictment strength him, politically shows how they are all still are, yes trump's indict beyond is unprecedented as his defenders keep providin us but this is not necessaril flattering to the former president. they perceive him to be in vulnerable he behaves as such there are continued a, they se their only choice is continued capitulation, and some long ag or republican universe, ther would in fact be a dash to condemn the former president words and conduct. this is not who we are, some might, say or try to claim sure, there could be som old-fashioned politica opportunism involved here, i

wouldn't be the first time, bu what politician wouldn't see such an opening to score point instead, the response from the gop's punitive leaders was a predictable as the indictmen news itself. >> and that is a great point what politician would and seiz this moment. i have been wondering why strong politician has in fro quite some time, since the three other huge legal cases against him. >> but we heard the republican had the chance to make a break during impeachments, during th impeachments we heard they had a chance t make a break after january 6th we heard they had a chance t make a break after donald trum said he wanted to terminate th constitution after further calls for political violence after the -- alvin bragg, and the comin indictment i mean, they don't want to mak a break, they like this, guy and they like him so much that

they would rather lose with hi as they have done for 60 years in a, row within win wit somebody else. why? >> well, first of all, the distinction is, they do no love this guy. they are terrified of this guy even more, they are terrifie of his voters. look, this is exactly the same dynamic we saw in 2015 and 2016, which is republicans basically just hoping they could close their eyes, cover their ears and this problem will go away, someone else will take care of the problem whether it is bo mueller, or in this, cas prosecutors. essentially, they are just not participating in this, and i we've seen one thing over an over again, it is that donal trump derives in any kind of vacuum of authority. donald trump, no one is goin to stop him from doing anything he is going to -- look, i mean, the difference is, it is a drug for him this is what keeps him as th

head of this republican party. and i cannot believe we ar seeing another presidentia cycle where they are just goin to let him have it and let the damage play out for all of u to see >> even with an indictment, yo have these republicans going full on in defense of trump, instead of just saying the saf thing, which would be why don' we wait and see what the indictment - they won't even say that >> right i mean typically, in these situations, with the responsible thing for an politician or a position certainly, to say is, look this is an ongoing crimina matter this is an investigation i do not comment on that again, that is somewha disingenuous because of th background there, hoping tha the party they are talking about does damage to themself, and the political -- just do not, get out of the wa if your opponent is implodin on his or her own.

which could theoretically meet what is going on here, but look, it is a very, very - look, this is not a normal situation a good predicament for donald trump to be in. it is not good for a politicia to be indicted again, in a normal world, this is not an -- this is not a controversia statement, but donald trump, h is such an accomplished an smooth act at this point, he can be made a victim o anything, and it is essentiall the platform of the republican party at this point. he uses these things to hi advantage, and in the absenc of anyone saying to th contrary >> there is a pretty sprawling list of potential republican challengers to trump for 2024, but so far only two of the have really come out and condemned -- should even job out. former - arkansas governor is the hundreds and announced over th weekend he is in - we can't help but notice bot of those men have a combined pooling of one and a hal

percent, so they are not going very far, at least for now is your sense that some of the other candidates might be more formidable, more watching to see how that plays, an potentially they will join i at some point as well? >> yeah, although, as long a they wait, they are not making it easy on themselves. first of all, i think my least political instincts, isa hutchinson and chris christi probably won't be getting th nomination for the republica party in 2024. however, someone like ro desantis, i mean pence i probably you know, he is probably lost his chance my no but someone like desantis wh is looking to instill, i mea -- could take this as an openin to say look, i agree wit president trump on a number of things, but there is just to much baggage, here too muc damage that could be done. here i am, and actually, b proactive, be --

used this as an opportunity to set yourself further fro donald trump, rather than just sort of a vying to be the to lapdog in the bunch, which i exactly what has been th prevailing strategy over the last six or seven years. so i cannot believe they are dismissing this opportunity, and desantis would probably be the obvious got to try it, but he just hasn't until thi point. >> coming up, our conversation with broadway star billy porter he is won a grammy, an emmy, and to tony,'s and about t embark on a multi city tour fo his new album. >> and now, the greatest achievement of all, he i appearing on morning joe >> it is fabulous. >> you are watching morning jo weekend. we will be right back. oing business in an app driven, multi-cloud world. that's why you choose vmware. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you keep your cloud options open.

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billy porter sharing his recen appearance of at the tonight show and everyone off thei feet really will soon be taking his show on the road for us firs ever solo pop music concer tour, called the black mon lisa, tour volume one. billy who is known for starrin in the broadway hit kinky boot and the critically acclaimed television drama posed will hi the stage in 25 u.s. it is across the country, kicking of

in seattle on april 29th, an the grammy, emmy, and two-time tony award winnin singer and actor joins us now. it is such a pleasure to hav you on the show. >> it is a pleasure to be here thank you for having me, i watch you guys every morning thank you for bringing som levity and peace to th situation and that is going on in the world right now you know, you are very helpful you guys are very hopeful, and your coming my nerves. >> i hear you. you are coming my nerves right now, because we need a littl bit of you at a time like this you once told the today show that your dream as a child was to be the mail whitney houston >> yes >> i think we can declare, tha can we >> well, i think i'm getting close, you know, i got to play

the fairy godmother in the mos recent cinderella. that is the first part of it now i have to go on the road and sell millions of albums. >> but those pipes, billy, i mean, you can saying >> thank, you sweetheart, than you very much. >> so, tell us about this story, first of all it is the first time doing a solo tour, i sa you totally holding your own onstage there just now in th video we just showed but that is a lot of work from the inside alone, exposed, how are you getting ready for this tell us about the show what are your feelings about doing this on your own >> so the black one released a tour is named after my forthcoming album, black mon lisa it is my return to the mainstream music space, an that is really exciting. my first album, my r&b album

came out in 1997, and business was very homophobic at the time, it did not work out for me now all of these other thing have happened, i get to come back to the space on my ow terms, and you know, it is a celebration of life, of hope of joy, of peace, and you know we are going to -- i hope that people come in, will give a big hug, because the trauma - the collective trauma we hav been through, we are back in person, how i want to bring th message of hope and love and joy to the people. and let a fire under everybody's behinds to remin us that democracy only works when we do it together we have to come together again it is time for us to get bac in the streets, and demand justice, and demand the things that we need, and my hope is

that you know, being out in th trenches with the people wil help in that i'm trying to just do my part. >> yes and, your industry has suffere so much through covid, it must be exhilarating to be back working with people again on stage, and seeing an audience. i look forward to that for you and for anybody who is a performer or takes part in putting together a production. the industry was just shattere during covid but you talk about also th homophobia that you experience earlier in your career, and yo have said your queer - is your superpower tell us how it is so, and ho you exercise that superpower i this show? >> yeah, i was told for decades, from allies and haters like,

that my queer would be m liability. and it was for decades and around my 30s, i realize that the only choice that could make for myself, was t choose myself, and to choose m own authenticity no matter what let the chips fall where the may, and if the universe wil take care of me inside of that choice and, you know, it took a lot i'm not saying it was quick, i took decades but it did shift, it did tur around starting with noah, the playing -- and winning the awards, an getting a platform that wa based on my authenticity the platform came as a resul of that. the roles i got to play, the

things that came to me wer about that so the visibility of being queer in the space, in the world, has landed me where i am so now i get to talk about it. now i get to use my platform t hopefully -- i set myself free, and the hop is that in seeing my journey other people will have the courage to choose authenticity and set themselves free as well > and that does it for the first hour of morning jo weekend. joe is getting more coffee because there is mo morning jo after the break. it's the moment when you realize that a good day... is about to become a bad one. but then, i remembered that the world is so much bigger than that, with trelegy. because one dose a day helps keep my asthma symptoms under control.

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weekend, let's take a look a the week's top stories >> republican legislators in tennessee voted yesterday to expel two black democrats from the state house over the protest on the chamber floor against gun violence last week such protests on the floor forbidden under house rules. now dubbed the tennessee, thre democratic representatives justin pearson and justin jone were expelled from the body, while representative - survived the expulsion here is jones and pearson ha to say before their expulsio votes. >> what we see today is a lync

mob assembled not to lunch, me but our democratic process we called for you all to ban assault weapons, and you respond with an assault on democracy. let's talk about expulsion for years, one of your colleagues who has been a chil molester shot in this chamber, no expulsion one member states in the chamber who is found guilty of domestic violence, n expulsion. we had a former speaker sit in this chamber who is now unde federal investigation, n expulsion. we have a member still under federal investigation, n expulsion. we had a member --

in this chamber, no expulsion. in fact, they are in leadership and the governor's administration we feel once again, what you are saying to us, is that yo are trying to put us on trial. i will say what you are puttin on trial is the state of tennessee. what your really - is holding up a mirror, to a state that is going back t some dark, dark roots. a state in which the crew ku klux klan was founded, it is now attempting another power grab by silencing the tw youngest black representatives and one of the only women, democratic women in this bod -- >> dr. king taught us that sometimes there is a consciousness above rule, abov what you might say's law the true forms of protest is known disobedience, for less

than a few minutes, we and you are seeking to expel distric 86 representation from the house. in a country that was built on a protest, in a country that was built on a protest i can say to folks who are worried about whether or not just one side said my next i can say, to you, the movemen for justice can never die, because the heart for justic can never be killed. we have good news that some da always comes, resurrection is promise, and it is a prophesy. it is a prophesy that came out of the cotton fields, it is prophesy that came out of th lynching tree, it is a prophes

that still lives in each and every one of us, in order to make the state of tennessee th place that it ought to be. so i still know that we ar still here, and we will neve quit >> representative speaking yesterday, so just to remind people what, happened this was last, week it was march 30th the representatives you hear there, along with gloria johnson who will speak to in a moment the -- shooting at the governor school doing something about comes the tennessee highwa patrol which protects th capital said there were not an arrests made, no propert damage, nothing like we see, obviously january six was th -- it was by some definition, a peaceful protest it may have broken the house rules, yes there are ways to deal with that in terms of punishment, but to expel the and overturn the will of the voters who put them, there i

something else entirely. >> yeah, and again, as a membe of a legislative body, i can tell you, procedural to get, broken and when they, do you are asked to stand down wore - out of the chamber and, i actually saw that happe in - on the floor of congress now this expulsion survival, sake just an extraordinary speeches from th representatives who were expelled and, again, i just think whe you listen, and you find out that other people committe domestic violence, and sexual, abuse other abuse allowed to stay in their, even if you urinate in a fellow member chair, you get promoted in tennessee to the leadership. but if you protest nine-year-olds getting slaughtered in the christian school, well, they kick yo

out. >> joining us now, tennessee state representative glori johnson who was one of the three who was not expelled yesterday. thank you so much for being on the show this morning. we appreciate it i guess the question for you this morning is, what worrie you the most about wha happened in the state hous yesterday, and what gives yo the most hope. >> well, you know, it is just travesty process was not -- there was no process there were rules, we tried t get some information on what the rules were going to, b what the process was going to, be we got nothing, and a littl bit of direction that woul allow us to bring in any video of our own however, when we get there they make a motion to show their video that we have not seen, we don't know who took it we did not know how the added it they promised us it was only filmed from the floor that day but it turns out it was not.

it was filmed some other things so we were lied to, we wer misinformed, and it is scary this is what is happening to our democratic process you know, that is the bigges thing. the two young men -- they are passionate, they care deeply about their community and to see people -- to see how with they wer treated in a different way for me, i had republican colleague say things like, well, they di not show contrition, or they have the younger generation ha a different way of speaking. they have a different way of addressing things. i am a 60 year old schoo teacher, i talk a little bit more level tone. it was very clear what this wa about. >> representative johnson no

we have an ill sharpton, first let me salute you on standin up, saying what this was about in terms of you not bein excluded, and the others were. that was race. i think people around th country, you know, had hop from you standing up and havin that kind of courage let me ask this. do you see any legal or othe ways that could lead to th reinstatement of your tw colleagues, and do you see a path forward in terms of dealing with laws around gun in the state of tennessee? we are talking about reactin to nine-year-olds being killed at school, and i do not thin we want to - so do you see a pathway toward dealing with a gun legislation that the three of you advocated? and do you see a way of legally, or otherwise, reinstating thes two lawmakers that you may fee

were unjustifiably ruled >> i think there might be pathway forward. i think it will be baby steps. i don't really trust that my republican colleagues are goin to pass anything that is nea enough, but i think we can tak steps. the only reason that is goin to happen, is because of tha younger generation they have showed up every day, by the thousands they are staying on, this an they are not going to stop they are going to keep showing up, and speaking, up until there is progress. and i am, i do have a lot of hope when it comes to the -- justin jones, both coming back to the legislature, because if their commission or -- metro council appoints them, there is a little bit of a legal glitch there that ther is a disagreement about whethe they can come back in 11 assembly, or they have to wait to 24 in the 114th

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dollars just pray, make sure you vote as early as you can i your state, do not ris anything anymore, vote as soon as you, can pray for thi country, pray for this president, and if you got an money to, give give it lindsey graham.com, it does no go to me, it goes to helping this president and taking back

the senate >> i'm telling you >> that is - >> i'm telling you i grew up in my grandma's house, listening -- first of all to billy graham then to pat robertson -- >> and then it was - you will notice, it just kep going downhill, and we got tha jimmy swagger guy who is alway crying like that, and asking for money, then you had ll him if he wouldn't give - go to the top of the tower >> and - said jesus was going to -- we are going to -- if they make $8 million. now i do not know, i've read the new testament a lot, and i've written letters, and i' not -- got in that from nor am i sure how lindse

graham said, you can hel america, by sending $25 to lindsey graham.com i mean - >> who would air that? >> i'm telling you, it is ji and tammy faye baker personified with trump, with lindsey graham look at him, he is starting to look more like jim baker it is amazing. >> yeah, i mean, you start t wonder, is there something els going on is senator graham's life he has been on tv quite a lo lately let's be respectful, there may be many layers, maybe there' something else underlying th tiers. yeah, i mean, vote, pray, abov all, else suddenly a bunch o money and here is the websit where you can do it in the defense of donald trump. let's not forget this is the guy who has walked away fo about five minutes from donald

trump -- and then he heard a couple day later at the airport, a fe people were mad at, him so h flipped around my gosh -- very escalating, i don't kno what is coming next from senator graham >> they are, he is going to tr next i'm telling you - is escalating fast, but i just want us to - we need to compare here, because i think it is important, it is all about the press, let's show that lindsey clip one more time if we have, it then see where he may have gotten the scrum i'm sorry i'm so upset but please help presidential up. if you can afford five or te bucks, if you can afford $1. just pray. make sure you vote as early as you can in your state. don't risk anything anymore. voters soon as you can pray for this country, pray fo this president if you've got any money to give, give it. lindsey graham.com, it doesn't go to me it goes to helpin

this president and taking back the senate >> - i would ask the two [inaudible >> let kept down lindsay has got that down. except of the swagger. i don't know i don't know if that is who he wants to emulate, willie but you know lindsey kee sweeping he keeps sweeping for a gu that he said, like you said, i'm done with them i'm done with them three people follow him throug national airport and he rips right back it is really strange, thes republicans. they just -- and we've got that wisconsin thing last night these, people they just keep losing they keep getting crazier.

they keep moving further awa from mainstream america and just - really, i'm sorry. i go back to being tom hanks i don't get it the other thing you have t keep coming back to his donald trump says that he is billionaire. he lives in an apartment o fifth avenue with gold plate ceilings, their lives and in florida. he flies around of blaine. and yet he - people like lindsey graham o his behalf or going out of begging supporters for money t pay his legal bills. it's kind of a wild scam tha the running to convince people that - if you to send me the mone we're gonna get that wal built. if you just submit that mone we're gonna get the 2020 election overturned. now he just sent me that money we're gonna beat all these charges coming against the president. just really shaking down his own supporters, taking advantage of them taking their money to a billionaire. >> - >> fake mugshots >> fake mugshots

reverend, how, let's look at this for a second. we know donald for a long time this guy claims he's a billionaire. he flies around in a 7:57. he lives in the grandest of th grand lives. and him and lindsey and they'r like are shaking down poor working class americans saying give us whatever you've got. sunday on monday to us do whatever -- look at, that they're goin full jimmy swagger right now send us your money give us all you've got trump is a billionaire and the are taking money from th pockets of working class americans who are struggling t get by paycheck to paychec when he is already raise hundreds of millions of dollar for his legal bills.

stop the steal - >> and you have really hit the nail on the head i grew up a boy preacher i saw a lot of these of endles come through with thei meetings and pray on peopl that were working class or les than working class who wer just reaching out for hope they grabbed their dollars i their $5, and this is the same thing donald trump is doing he was so far removed from thes people but he wants their $5 you couldn't have one of those people get past the door minut trump tower's without hi calling 9-1-1 for the police t come but he wants them to give hi money. and i think it's shameless which is why, as i said in the last hour, i think it' appropriate that - rally free donald trump wa george santos. we know exactly who is

supporting him >> coming up, growin democratic outrage over and report that claim supreme cour justice, clarence thomas accepted gifts from a gop mega donor for more than two decades, including one trip that pro -- cost half 1 million dollars. that story is next that story is next

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there is no formal code of conduct for the supreme cour regarding such trips, bu thomas never reported any of them in his financia disclosures which justices are required to do under the ethic and government act of 1978 it says any gift of more tha $415 must be reported to avoid even an appearance o impropriety. according to propublica, i 2019 justice thomas and hi wife, jenny, took a private je to indonesia for a 90 island tour on his super yacht. propublica estimates the tri would've cost more than half 1 million dollars. this wasn't thomas's only trip on that super yacht. he also took an extended crews in new zealand, roughly decade ago crow said in a statement tha he has never sought to

influence the justice. that supreme court meanwhile did not immediately respond to requests for comment justice thomas did not respond to propublica's questions. in a statement yesterday, dick durbin wrote quote, the highes court in the land shouldn' have the lowest at the gol standard at this behavior is simply inconsistent with the ethical standards the american people expect of any publi servant, let alone a justice o the supreme court. so, jen psaki, no laws wer broken, what are your thoughts >> well, no laws were broken i small solace to most people in the american public are waking up and thinking, what on earth a supreme court justice took a nine-day krista indonesia that cost hundreds of thousands o dollars? i think, micah, just looking a this week of stories for the republicans, obviously we've talked a lot this morning abou what happened in tennessee you have donald trump, the

former president, thinking he' above the law and should not b succumb to the justice syste everybody else is. you have fox news where they are continuing to provide live knowingly to the publi thinking the public is dumb. then you have a supreme cour justice who is living by a different set of rules this is the kind of stuff that the public looks at and they think, this is out of whack. this is not what we want the pillars of government to b representing that is why i think this story could actually stick wit people in the public the supreme court has alread gotten popular it's lost popularity over th past couple of years that is why there has been a movement, in part because of dobbs, but also because of things like this there's been a movement fo court expansion and a lot of discussion about that from the number of democrats. >> i think we also must keep i mind that ginni thomas, who is clarence thomas's wife, ha been questioned a lot abou

whether she is influencing her husband. now we have a question of he husband living hundreds of thousands of dollars over many years from crow, a big republican donor the issue should not be whethe or not crowe influenced him, the issue is why he didn't disclose it and therefore no want to set up a situation where there are kennel tees an some level of punishment if no more serious when you do not disclose what you supposedly are supposed to disclose, what are we talking about we're not talking about it donald trump who thinks he's above the law. we're thinking about a man who writes the law and won't disclose it i think, jean, when we look at this it is as bad as it gets i think we shouldn't ove generally here by saying wilted crow influence? that does matter but i think the first thing is, how do you

let a just get away with not disclosing what he got that wa valued in the hundreds o thousands of dollars how do we arc like that is all right? >> we don't, rev i mean, look this is a justice of the u.s supreme court who interprets the law. he knows the law and the law is very clear, h has worked for the federal government he's been a public servant for a long time, since before he was a supreme court justice. he absolutely knows that thi had to be disclosed, yet h didn't disclose it and especially the travel. the travel by public jet, yo know you live in and aroun washington, in a lot of people who work for the federal government and you know that i is one thing if you have wealthy friends and you go visit and they let you stay in

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donald trump might hav participated in a possible obstruction with some of those materials that were up mar-a-lago during an interview with fox news last week, donald trump was asked whether he would personally look through boxe of documents from hi presidency while they were stored at mar-a-lago here's his response last week. >> i can't imagine you eve saying, bring me some of the boxes that we brought back fro the white house. i'd like to look at them did you ever do that >> i don't have the right to do, that there's nothing wrong wit it i don't have a lot of time but i would have the right to do that i would do that. >> i'm gonna move. on >> remember, this this is the presidential records act i have the right to take stuff did you know that they ended u

paying richard nixon $18 million for what he had. they did the presidentia records act. i have the right to take stuff i have the right to look a stuff. >> you do? >> willie. shawn was trying to help >> you are allowed to take stuff? >> the bald on >> no, that is meatball ron. >> shawn was trying to hel trump time and again >> but i know you wouldn't do. that >> sure i would >> okay let's move on. >> no! no i want to completely prove the federal government's case. many goes on and proves th federal government's case, which of course is - >> you're not allowed to tak stuff. >> it's more relevant now, willie, after the washington post story that broke this weekend. >> if you're the prosecutor of the special counsel in thi case, it's clip in saving thes interviews, quid and, save qui

and save some of it is amounting to a partial confession it was last september in a different interview with sea hannity when donald trump said and declassified documents jus by thinking about them as former president of the united states, if he thought about them being declassifie the name fact would be declassified we should ask chuck rosenberg, as a former prosecutor himself if you're the special counsel, if you are jack smith what are you making of these interviews that donald trump is givin again? especially the ones to sea hannity. >> i was thinking, willie, about when i was a federal prosecutor, preparing fo trial. i would literally have a manil folder which i would label m cross-examination vile every time i found a documen or someone said something or something i thought it could b useful, i put it in that file. the file here would be enormous i mean, as prosecutors w collect stuff. we hold on to staff. we never know when we're going to need stuff. but mr., trump from

prosecutors perspective, i you're preparing for cross-examination, it is a gif that keeps on giving they are going to have a lot o information, a lot of, clips a lot of the things he has sai to choose from, whether or not he gets on the stand whether or not they ever get t use, it we will save tha question for another day prosecutors are always collecting cross-examination files. mr. trump can't help himself he always talks about mr. trum and that just makes the file bigger and bigger. >> he can't help himself and i just want to play this clip again because, again, i the light of the washingto post reporting this weekend, i becomes even more relevant let's play this clip again i case you all - well, first of all missed on donald trump's confession an two, missed sean hannity tryin to move him along. he just wouldn't do it he is going now! i like my hand on the hot stov

so much. i'm gonna put the other hand o the hot stove. run, it t.j. >> i can't imagine you would ever say, bring me some of the boxes that we brought back fro the white house. i'd like to look at them would you ever do that >> i would have the right to d that, there's nothing wron with that. >> i don't think you would do. it >> i don't have a lot o time, but i have the right t do that. i would do that. >> let's move. on >> remember this, this is the presidential records act i have the right to take stuff did you know that they end u paying richard nixon $18 million for what he had. they did the presidentia records act. i have the right to take stuff i have the right to look a stuff. >> i have the right to tak stuff and look at stuff? even after, as the washingto post suggests, federal investigators and the feds tried to get it back federal investigators -- are new and significan evidence that shows that after the subpoenas delivered trum

look through the contents of some of the boxes of documents in his home. it was rummaging through the boxes in his home because, police, he wanted to kee certain things in hi possession the federal government said he had t return them. >> joe, this is where donald trump could really get i trouble because that i obstruction. and he differentiate some self other former officials who might have a claim o inadvertently removing classified documents and havin classified documents in thei personal possession by the fac that he doesn't make good an make amends and continues to try to object the government's case she had this case happening in new york city which on republican operator called the mickey mouse paperwork case. the new at the cost of the

document case and how donald trump is taking it to the next level if he hasn't bee forthright with investigators. from there you've got georgi and then e. jean carroll nex month. more to day is a big deal, there is plenty of other legal action to watch with donal trump. >> coming up, a major blow t vladimir putin as finlan officially joins nato. what this historic shift means for russia, as the war i ukraine rages on that is next that is next next on behind the series... let me tell you about the greatest roster ever assembled. the monster, the outlaw... and you can't forget about the boss. sometimes- you just want to eat your heroes. the subway series. the greatest menu of all time.

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signaling a major blow to th kremlin as the alliance has no doubled its border with russia kremlin spokesperson called th membership assault on russia's security this forces us to take countermeasures and pascha strategic turns. joining us now is the u.s. ambassador to nato, juli smith. ambassador, thank you for your time from your point of view, how significant is it that finland is now a member of nato? how significant is it ho quickly this happened in the last year? >> well, this is a really bi deal for the nato allies to se finland today sitting at the table as a full fledged member it is nothing short of remarkable finland has always been strong partner to the nato alliance, but now it i bringing real capacity,. it's going to be a securit provider they share our values and they also have incredibly capable military forces, comba aircraft, strong reserve forces this is important. it's important for finland and

it's important for eur atlantic security. really the person that we have to thank for this is president putin because of what putin di inside ukraine the war he started there that is what inspired ou friends in finland and swede to think about and ultimatel pursue membership. so we mark the moment yesterday, we did raise the flag and they are sitting at the nato tabl today as a full fledged member >> and what does this send t blot for mere putin who wa operating as he began hi attack on ukraine with the assumption that the west would not care enough to stand up an coalesce added light against russia not only have they done that but nato has grown in it alliance >> it's a pretty clear signa to moscow and president puti that basically intimidation an aggression, they don't work. they don't block the allianc from moving forward with membership and in fact the question o

enlargement rests between th aspirin countries, finland and sweden, and russia doesn't get a voice in this matter he doesn't get a veto on questions of enlargement and it's finland's own sovereign choice about whether or not it wants to join the alliance so we were happy to see it proceed quickly. we were able to move a lightning speed and get it don and our hope is that we will see sweden sitting at the tabl in the not too distant future. >> ambassador, i want to follo up on that, the idea of sweden at this point it's candidate candidacy has been blocked b the turkish president. what are your hopes fo resolving those thorny issue and when could that happen where sweden could join fi land in the alliance >> well, you're right. the ratification process has moved very quickly with 28 o the allies we had two countries that had slower ratification process.

we are waiting for both turkey and hungry to finish the ratification process turkey in particular has expressed concerns particularl as it relates to terrorism s we've offered many opportunities for the thre countries, finland sweden an turkey to come together, tal about some of those concerns and work through them. the process was completed with finland yesterday and we are encouraged by what we ar hearing by allies around the table, by our friends in turke and hungry we believe and hope that thi process will be completed by the time nato has a summit later this summer in lithuania with a little luck in th coming weeks and months we wil have two new members sitting a the table with all of us her in brussels. again, it is great news fo your atlantic security, grea for those two countries to finally join the nato alliance and terrific for the unite states because they are some o our closest allies in europe

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together showing up. the film centers around th complicated life of a sculptor a world i know well from m mother, emily brzezinski in the film, william struggles the stress of her personal lif with her upcoming ar exhibition capturing of th complexity of a working artist >> michelle, i guess i wil start with you and what drew you to this bill, specifically to this artist and character >> this is our fourth film together, to kelly and i, so i know that the truth is to be with her, to be with my friend and on - to contribute to her body of worth and the answer is yes, i don't really have to read th script i'm excited to read the script and figure out and see wha she's embarking on and see wha she's thinking about but then we really started the process. the woman whose work we used i the film, i spent a lot of tim

with her over zoom in th pandemic working through a big bag of clay that they sent me. want to go into portland i spent time with her and he studio watching her work talking to her about her work. and being with her watching her process and, if i can't literally capture he technical ability, what i ca go for is the spirit of her an the work that she makes. >> kelly, tell me a little bit about this character and michelle mentioned the process i know when i interrupted my moment she was in the proces it was a rough day for me, and refer her to to have to put he chainsaw down and walk away an come back to it. the process can be not onl consuming but difficult to get into so tell us about this characte and her relationship with th process? >> i should say that the scrip is written by myself and

jonathan raman and john, who -- and i, who live in a community of artists in portland and ourselves getting to our table every day to work in cutting out what the other distraction of life are. that was sort of a theme w wanted to hit on of, what is the routine? and what are the things that are knocking at your door to distract you from that process so this character is a rea solid of a bunch of artist that we know and all of those things kind o place characters built our lizzy. >> we have a clip, another cli in which we have lizzy tryin to push to get the hot water turned back on in her home and that not really succeeding take a look. >> i'm on. it i just gotta get throug

this week first. shouldn't even be here right now, i have so much to do. >> i do too, and i don't kno what i'm supposed to do withou hot water. >> lizzy, i told you you can use my shower. >> i want my own water working >> my show is open on friday i'll be free to deal with it after that i have a show too, you know? they're not the only one wit the deadline >> you know, but i have tw shows, which is insane >> hey, give me a push >> i know you've mentioned tha this is your fourth projec

together, it's the kind of thing where you don't have t look at the script so question for both of you, and kelly i will start with you, what do you love about working with each other? we talk a lot about wome supporting women on this show. >> now it has been - really go away and we don't se each other for a while and the we come back together and feel like -- i felt lucky when i got to wor with michelle for the firs time and when you have collaborators that are - but you're kind of working t meet their level of -- what they're pulling off it is a great thing. i feel like i've benefited fro all the work she doesn't between the projects we make together and really it is jus personalities, i find michelle very easy to work with very eager, all into it an smart. so those are all -

yeah, it's a good ride >> that does it for morning jo weekend. we will be back monday morning at 6 am sharp, eastern we'll see you then, have a great rest of the day. this is the katie phang show live from miami, florida we've got lots of news to cove and lots of questions to answer so let's get started breaking news, access to the abortion pill, mid upper stone and legal limbo after duelin federal rulings. what does this mean fo tightening reproductive rights in america plus, support for the tennesse through pouring in, by's president kamala harris me yesterday with the lawmakers after the republican-controlle house votes to kick two of the out of the state legislature i will speak with the member who managed to hang on to he