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economies. >> we will talk about that david. good to see you as always. pulitzer prize-winning investigative journalist, he's the cofounder of the seaport dot org. he's the author of 9 to 10 books, many of them about trump, the big cheat how donald trump -- was gone system -- and on access to abortion an it paid off. in a state that voted for trum in 2016, we're going t wisconsin later. plus, some good news to star your weekend a strong jobs report, i'll break down the 236,000 jobs at it and what those numbers mean for you. another hour of while sh begins right now >> analogy, starting with bombshell federal court ruling that could present the biggest rollback of abortion right since roe v. wade wa overturned and the
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constitutional right t abortion was eliminated in thi country nearly a year ago. a federal judge in texas las night issued a sweeping ruling to reverse the food and's 23 year old approval of a key abortion drug, the rulin orders the fda to hold thi medication from pharmacy shelves in every state regardless of whether or not abortion is legal in tha state. u.s. district judge matthew ha put a seven-day hold on hi willing to give the government the opportunity to repeal it the justice department did fil a notice of appeal last night. let me tell you what is at stake here the drug in question is one of a standard two drug regiment commonly prescribed by doctors for medication abortion across the country. medication abortions account for more than half of al abortions in the united states according to the good doctor institute. and this was approved by the fda in 2000 is one the mos heavily studied and scrutinize
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drugs on the market. studies show that it is safe than penicillin, via, or eve tylenol, to understand why the safe effective and crucial dru is on the verge of being yanked, you need to understand the post-roe antiabortion movement a movement that is not content with their win on this issue i the supreme court. a movement that will not res until no one in this country can get an abortion. until forced birth is the la of the land, a movement that i looking for any opportunity to further rollback women's healt rights here is what happened. just a couple of months afte roe was overturned, and anti abortion group filed a corporation paper in all place amarillo, texas. three months after that, the filed a federal lawsuit seekin to revoke the fda's approval o mifepristone there's a reason why the group filed this particular lawsui in amarillo, texas that is that the only federa judge who hears cases in amarillo is the way fo
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mentioned matt because merrick and ultraconservative devout christian trump appointee whos history of antiabortion view is well documented following the senate confirmation hearing republican senator susan collins joined every votin democrat in opposing car merrick's nomination to th bench, citing his extreme view on abortion and opposition t lgbtq rights she said the time quote, suc extreme statements reflect poorly on his temperament an suggest an inability to respec president and to apply the law fairly and impartially and quote. now as you would expect, mat incas barricades delivered t the antiabortion movemen exactly what they came for and order to remove from the market a safe effective an widely used abortion drug. it is a ruling that will force doctors to treat our patient with what they know is a lower standard of care every link that will roll back the bodily autonomy an reproductive freedom of half the american population and on
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that were literally endangerin the lives of both patients who need abortions for any reaso and patients to doctors woul have relied upon this drug t help manage their miscarriages , but there is a plot twist, within an hour of his ruling out of texas came anothe ruling, this time for th federal judge in washingto state. a group of democratic people had filed a suit to force th fda to make the same abortio drug, mifepristone, more accessible and to block th government from taking any action that would restrict access to that drug. the judge in that case, and bomb appointee thomas rice partially granted th plaintiffs request he did not agree to make the drug more accessible, but hi ruling does barr the fda fro doing anything that would make it less available in the state that brought the lawsuit states where abortion remain legal. so now the fda is looking at two directly contradictory orders, both from federa judges which means that one wa
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or another, this issue is very likely headed to the supreme court. it is far from clear what will happen once it gets there. for more on this, i'm joined b michelle, a professor at the university of california she's a director of the school for biotechnology in globa health policies. she's also an award winnin author of multiple books including policing the womb, invisible women and th criminalization of motherhood. also with us is our friend, former litigator and legal analyst, someone who i passionate, my persona educator on the law, thanks to both of you for being here thi morning. lisa, let's just start with yo because you and i've bee talking about this often for a couple of weeks, the departmen of justice has filed an appeal kaz merrick expect that to happen, they feel is going t go to the fifth circuit cour of appeals and then what happens? tell me what likely happens in the next few days. >> the next few days, i expect the department justice will as
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for a stay of judge ha merrick's ruling, the ruling i scheduled to take effect as yo know on april 14th if the department does not get any response or an expedited briefing schedule for exampl that stays his ruling, befor april 14th, i expect that they will seek emergency relief fro the supreme court. that can come in a variety o forms, but one of the things that i think is really interesting here, and michelle can confirm this is that durin the trump administration, we saw an exponential rise in the number of times that conservatives and the trum administration itself tried to leapfrog federal courts and go straight to the supreme cour for the relief that they wanted now we are going to see that turned on its head as the bide administration learned those lessons well the fifth circuit is arguabl the most ideologically driven, the one most penetrated by trump appointees during hi administration i don't expect the fifth circuit, unless they are reall sympathetic to how
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transformative this ruling i and the need to pause it t grant that stay, i expect we will be in front the supreme court sooner than we know it ali. >> let's assume that to be the case michelle, let's take the supreme court, there are a lot of people in this audience and in this country who would say, this is doomed, if it goes t the supreme court we know ho that's going to go except there are specifics about this case that are a little bit perverse. the judge's comments in a lo of cases that far exceed wha the faintest were even saying. the issues of standing, th comments he makes about wome and their inability to represent themselves in a case if you had an abortion, yo have to musculature partly think straight the fact that there is a competing decision by anothe federal judge. it - is a less obvious that it migh be the supreme court, they may have an issue with this really >> but one would hope so excep that what we understand from the dobbs decision, from the lobby decision is that the supreme court is willing to th
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outcome determinative if the right case comes before th court. in hobby lobby, the suprem court notably it was a cas that was authored by justice alito, the supreme court was willing to defer to a group of businesses that said that they believed that contraceptives - factually inaccurate, no supported by any medicine or science whatsoever, the suprem court was willing to lean into that the supreme court was also willing to lean in by saying well, we carved out this decision to only apply t matters involvin contraception. what a businessman, claimed yo have this belief, which had no happened before and they use that religious belief to den their employees certain type of health care this will apply to contraceptives we have seen that before, we even saw that in the dobbs case, mississippi is an absolutely deadly place for anybody to be pregnant if you're a black woman there,
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your 18 times more likely to die by hearing a pregnancy t term than having an abortion the supreme court refers to th state of mississippi and it is claim is about protecting th health and safety of women i that state, which could not be true we have a supreme court that sadly enough has shown reproductive rights cases that it is willing to listen to this >> to your point by the wa michelle, this medication is also used to manag miscarriages one of the things in this bloc of states in the southeast o this country is that there i an abiding and developing fear among women who are pregnant about what if they sharply thing out. what happens if something like a miscarriage happens becaus they don't want to b prosecuted and the doctors and want to be prosecuted. >> well that is right, this is the wild, wild west we fin ourselves in with the suprem court who has been unsympathetic to health an science data the united states is the
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deadliest place in all of th industrialized world to be present. is ranked 55th on a list o countries that have been war-torn and genocidal where i is safer to give birth these times, you have doctor who are afraid to treat thei patients in texas, there i fear of 100,000 dollar fine. losing your medical license an up to 99 years incarceration in texas, there's a lot to right now by five women wh identify themselves as antiabortion they are suing because their lives came at risk and a horrific set o circumstances so there is lack of sympathy and empathy and disconnection from science and really, a lawlessness that we see being carved out fo reproductive freedom but i'v been saying for a very lon time that this is a sign of th dismantling of democracy >> lisa, let's talk about what michelle said, the supreme court has an inclination to do things that are outcome-based. no one can ignore some of what
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a judge has merrick's ruling had in terms of inflammatory and partisan language. he said patience use this to quote kill the on born baby, judges usually use the ter fetus, he referred the process as a chemical abortion kill, baby, chemical burin are words we usually hear from judges when discussing abortion whether not they have antipath towards abortion judge has merrick knows that this is is an important ruling that is going to be scrutinized. does this give forces that don't agree with him and h likes? >> you know, judge has merrick was opposed when he wa nominated to the bench because people understood that he wa going to be a zealot he is a person whose lif experience includes voluntee -ism in the crisis pregnancy movement that is a series of center across the country that offe themselves to women as if they are reproductive healt clinics. really what they are offerin
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is an off ramp for anythin about abortion and the situationally avoid lettin women know that they have th option to have an abortion they basically shone peopl into adoption and or other options to guarantee that they give birth judge has merrick has been a long time volunteer in tha movement i think the supreme court has series of off-ramps here, no just because of his language but to michelle's point, the decision is wholly outcome determinant on a number of legal issues like standing whether the plaintiff' exhaustive, their rabbit ears. this is a 23 year old approval by the fda one might question why didn' they sooner. there's a number of places where the supreme court coul take a convenient off ramp without even having to go into the really complex and partisa issues of abortion if they'r willing to take it the other thing i would say is this decision is antithetica to dobbs itself. there is a number of pro-choic attorney generals who filed
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brief or they said, if dobbs i serious about what it is said, that the decision abou abortion should be returned to the states, that people an their elected representative then, this decision is wholl at odds with dobbs dobbs and this decision cannot coexist. i think that offers the suprem court and off ramp as well i they are willing and brave enough to take it. >> the governor of washingto state is very worried abou this, there's a stockpile of three years for women who live in states like california or new york or the places where abortion remains illegal they don't think there was any threat for them. more than half of women us this to drug combination t have an abortion should people be buying this >> let me say this in the washington litigation we see that the court has said that the fda should do nothing to decrease access t
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mifepristone nationwide. i would imagine that the attorneys who filed that litigation wants to make sur that access to this medication is available in their states and for very good reasons, as mentioned before, whether it i to help patients manag miscarriages, to be able t have abortions for other reasons wh mifepristone is on the market, there are other health car reasons that people us mifepristone one of the things that w haven't touched on yet is th fact that if this can happen with regard to mifepristone, a group of people who ar religiously extreme going an shopping to a judge to say mov it off the mark it, then imagine that those were oppose to vaccine not even just those who thin that covid is a hoax and w know it is not but those who do not support smallpox vaccines, don't support polio vaccines, believ that they should be able t have some religious objectio to those
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can you imagine what that mean for judges who removed from th marketplace. the vaccines that we come to rely on to save all of our lives, that is also what happens to be at stake in this case >> thanks to both of you, we appreciate it. michelle goodwin is a professo at university of california in nearby moscow. she also the book policing the womb, invisible women and th criminalization of motherhood. elise reuben is a former regulator and legal analyst fo msnbc. still ahead this hour, until she, estate the trump -- they just elected a libera supreme court. we are heading to wisconsin to find out how and why plus, some good economic news. strong jobs numbers and lowe unemployment rate. i'll break down the new jobs report and look at a couple of figures that should instil even more hope what price does one pay fo standing up against gun deaths in the state of tennessee. for two state representatives, it was their jobs. kamala harris spoke from nashville yesterday about th
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i want to break down these 236,000 new jobs 72,000 were added in leisure hospitality, they'll be bars hotels, restaurants, governmen added 47,000 jobs. 39,000 were added in a professional and busines services 34,000 were added in healt care there are currently about 1. job openings available for every person looking for wor in america that is pretty hopeful let's talk about the unemployment rate. the federal unemployment rat ticked down from 3.6% to 3.5%. that is the lowest rate in above 52 years i really want to call your attention to two particula pieces of information in las month's job report as the unemployment rate dropped a bit, the labor force participation rate, which tell you how many americans are actively looking for job actually went up it is been going up steadily since november, that means a increasing number of people ar looking for, and they're finding it in fact the labor forc participant rate, while not as high as we would like to b
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increased to its highest level since before the pandemic. secondly, the unemployment rat among african americans hit record low of 5% last month. that is a far cry from its height during the pandemic it was 16.8% the labor force participatio for black americans is highe than it is for whites. that is all solid news for the country, however it with a strong labor market come persistently higher wages. that's a good thing. it leads to more spending an that contributes to inflation. the federal reserve will likel remain on track to raise interest rates by anothe quarter of a percentage poin next month still ahead, tennessee has become the new front in th battle for american democracy. the expulsion of two black state lawmakers sets a alarming new standard for ho legislators act when confronte with political discourse nashville yesterday, cameras called out this. >> let's expel them. can you imagine? let's get rid of them entirely
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let's remove them, not only fo that moment. but remove these people wh have been elected to represent the people and let us decide who should represent the people wh iats that that is not a democracy.
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daniels with whom he allegedly had an affair. trump continues to deny thos allegations. he is resort to making dozen of social media posts, criticizing man district attorney alvin bragg the judge assigned the case an even their family members wh have nothing at all to do with the prosecution. trump's efforts to silence and intimidate people and entities he considered to be his enemie is entirely consistent with wh he is and who he is always been his attempts to undermine th integrity of the institution that are supposed to uphold th values of the justice an democracies are straight out o the strongman playbook the same week as trump's historic arraignment, there wa a rare and extraordinary mov by tennessee republicans tha show to how those tactics have been adopted by the gop at large. on march 30th, three days afte a school shooting in nashville left six people dead, includin three children, democratic state representative glori johnson, justin jones, and justin pearson took to the podium on the house floor to lead chance for gun reform a
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their republican colleagues tr to move on to other business on thursday, republican stat representatives in tennessee took the extraordinary move of expelling two of the tennessee three, the two young black freshman lawmakers, justin jones and justin pearson, as punishment for violating the house rules of the court gloria johnson, it wha lawmakers narrowly avoided her expulsion by one vote. now since the civil war era, because the state legislatur has only moved to expel member of its body three times and never for something like a violation of decorum jones and pearson were dul elected by their constituents, their expulsion is just th latest example of how th politics of revenge that donal trump has normalized i chipping away at democracy their expulsion is a trump mov consistent with how the former president has denigrated a mystery to his critics throughout his entire politica career the result of this today i that more than 130,000 tennessee people are without representation in their states
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house of representatives i'm joined now by i'll sharpton, mike steam, colleague and host of msnbc politics nations. he's the president - the author of righteou troublemakers, untold storie of the social justice movement in america reverend, good morning to you. thank you being with us. righteous troublemakers is wha the tennessee tree were trying to be. if in fact, these two youn black men, they're in th twenties, that is exactly what they signed up for they are there, i use the term to disrupt the politics little bit doug jones took the session, h said they're there to give voice to people who don' typically have a voice now they are former members of the legislature. >> you would have to ask why the constituents and their respective districts would elect a 20 year old, some 20 year old man, both under 30. that is because they hav proven to them that they would speak on behalf. they would say we need to be
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said they would try and legislate things what else could you do in city in a state that had just see six people killed, three o them nine-year-old children. by someone that had legall purchased these kinds of firearms, military style weapons that should never have been sold. the legislature didn't want to deal with it they did what they are suppose to do, they worked constructively i think that it has rallie people around the country to stand up for them and th racism even involved there was that they did not exclude th woman. they voted to black men out. she only state by one vote she will be on politicsnatio with me tonight. it is an amazing story of ho far we still have to go. >> if one wonders what the rol
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racism plays in this, she said that there was a discussio about increasing crimina penalties, including death sentences for people they were talking abou electorals and firing squads one member of the legislatio talked about bringing, hanging from a tree as capital punishment in tennessee. i mean, that is not a do whistle, that is everybody - everybody knows what hanging from tree is that was lynching. >> and you are not referring t what he said, you are quotin what he said he actually said, let's talk about bringing back hangin from a tree. if you have this kind of lynch mentality, then you would no be at all confused that they would expel to young black lawmakers that had been give the constituents you would not be confused that they would tell them in effect
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you stay in your place, your lucky, you are in this chamber because if erupt me, i'm sur they wouldn't be there these young men refused to sta in their place and refused t be silenced. and this young woman refuses t not stand with them and call i like it was. i think that as we rally aroun them nationwide. we divide them into networks as the vice president went down, i think what they meant is being made for good becaus it's going to keep out front this need to deal with gun safety and gun laws that would stop this country from continuing to normalize mass shootings. >> you have a ph.d. in protests tell me a little bit about the science of this thing as i relates to the civil right protests that we saw, the idea that these tennessee three kne that the one way to get th nation's eyes on them was to d this in a public proceeding.
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in a public place like so many of the demonstrators have to take place in a place where the will be media tension, they walked out of the thing and look at the people who are cheering fo them this ignited a movement, which we have seen before with socia rights and social justice an guns it seems like it is coming back these three people might be at the center of it >> i think that they have been the impetus for a revival in this gun control movement. the idea of protest is good. i used to laugh when people sa to me, you are just out ther trying to get attention. that's exactly what we are trying to do you want to put a spotlight on the issues that are bein ignored. if there were no demonstrations, ifthere ar not people that would disrup the peace in a nonviolent way, it is not like those that ar being addressed are going to
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bring it up themselves you are doing their job. that is why john lewis i remembered they remembered because they disrupted what was going o wrongly in a constructive way. >> reverend, thank you for joining us i know you've busy weekend a always, reverend al sharpton i the host of politicsnation he is the president and founde of the national action network coming up, wisconsin has gon from blue to red and bac again. what a major win by a libera jue dgmeans for the state. and the nation so it's decided, we'll park even deeper into parking spaces and the nation so people think they're open. surprise. [ laughs ] [ horn honks, muffled talking ] -can't hear you, jerry. -sorry. uh, yeah, can we get a system where when someone's bike is in the shop, then we could borrow someone else's? -no! -no! or you can get a quote with america's number-one motorcycle insurer and maybe save some money while you're at it. all in favor of that. [ horn honking ] there's a lot of buttons and knobs in here.
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muslim holy month ramadan when hundreds of palestinian muslim typically gather at the mosque to offer special prayers i observance of the holy month it led to the injuries of 37 people and arrested more tha 350,000 palestinians inside th mosque most of them have been release according to the palestinian commission of the cheney affairs. israeli police say that they read the mosque after failin to persuade the worshippers to leave. following the morning raid gaza base militants fire rockets towards israel, five which were intercepted b israel's air defense system. the rest ended - later that evening, israel police stormed the mosque fo second time, the point downgrades in ordering worshippers to leave the mosque 12 people were injured in second rate according to the palestinian red crescent the rates through immediat combination from leaders aroun the world. you had secretary genera antonio guterres said that h was shocked and appalled by th images of israeli police beating people inside th
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mosque particularly because it come at a time of the calendar whic is wholly to jews, christians, and muslims. while israel considers the sit which also houses the jewish temple to be part of its capital, most of the world considers to be occupied territory after internationa law. the instant taking place jus both during ramadan an passover has sparked concern over a broader conflict. the united asian scramble to restore calm as the israel military carried out air strikes on targets belonging t the palestinian militant group hamas in southern lebanon an in the gaza strip. airstrikes in gaza damaged homes and children's hospitals the strikes came hours after dozens of rockets were fired from lebanon into northern israel joining me now is this man he's a palestinian writer base in jerusalem good to see you, thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me >> what happened here? this is not the first time tha
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israeli forces have gone int the mosque during ramadan. they claimed to be looking for people who are gathering improvised weaponry? >> yes, it's not the first tim it is happened because there has been a trend in the past few years. they are trying to force a change to the status quo i jerusalem. you must remember that the mosque is part of easter slumps has been occupied 5 years ago. it is a nationally recognize place. over the past five years, we have seen more moves b ministers and governments. whatever they describe as this holy case. they wish to allow for jewis worship and impose this policy upon the worshippers who atten it this change started five years ago. it is upheld by bennett an
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recent governments today, it is more bold in it course for allowing jewish worshippers in there's been something w called the division of time an space, this is what is happening at the mosque. they are trying to basically allow for jewish worship durin certain hours, during firs certain parts of the day and that time, they move worshippers from that space. it is happening again in ramadan, is more controversial because it is the holy month o ramadan. people practice there. it is a prayer that is don overnight, people sa specifically to worship and to do that overnight. they do not wish to assembly they want to show that who get to say in what time. they want to prevent peopl from staying after this, the night prayer and make sure that it is completely free of worshippers until they allow people in for the morning prayer sometimes for the morning for,
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as was witness three days ago, they went to the gates of th old city worshippers under 14 years old were not allowed to go on fo morning prayers. they are trying to control who gets in and who gets up. this is our last base, this is our last symbol in jerusalem for our existence. >> so you were denied entr into the old city, the templ mount is in the old city t access it. on what basis were you denie entry? what did they tell you when yo try to get in? >> that was wednesday mornin at 5 am, i was trying to atten a morning prayer i was denied on the basis that they shut down the gates, ther are only allowing people of certain age to enter is the policy that they use lot. we have witnessed this i recent years they denied people entry o friday prayers specifically. they are denied because they wish to be in control of who
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gets and who gets out. they have tried to install metal gates at the mosques entrances, but the worshippers wrecked a completely because i was a show of them trying to show who controls the space. technically and by the international agreement, they're supposed to be the authority that is controllin and managing the muslim holy site the wish to change that by force allows for the staff in. no one is telling them stop, this is a -- that is why they continue to d it impunity allows for this t continue >> thank you for joining us, w appreciate it. he is a palestinian writer based in jerusalem right after the break, wisconsin was once a bastion o progressive politics it was famously conquered by conservatives in the 20 teens. swinging from donald trump i 2016 but a win by a liberal judge i
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forever. the subway series. the greatest menu of all time. for those of us who are not deep in state politics and consequences they carry for th fate of democracy, wisconsin may not be top of mind but i would like to bring it there. wisconsin was long known as bastion of progressivism the early maybe -- when the state fell to conservatism in the 2010s, i did not go unnoticed the state has been a closely watched political lab, a microcosm of the nationa movement, swinging to red to blue in 2006, wisconsin was blu across the board four years later, the firs midterm election of the obam era, the conservative wave tha was sweeping the country hit wisconsin hard come 2010, republicans too control of all of wisconsin' executive and administrative offices, the state senate, the
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state assembly, one u.s. senat seeking a seats in the house republicans swept everything except for the secretary o state. in 2014 republicans held on to the statewide offices bu secretary of state state of th democrats. then in 2016, the presidential election, wisconsi unexpectedly swung for donal trump. wisconsin along with state like pennsylvania, florida, an michigan turned red, handing donald trump to victory. but in 2018, the democrats dominated the fall elections for statewide offices, o seeding three incumben republicans including the tw term governor scott walker republicans maintain control o both chambers in the legislature. as well as a majority of the states u.s. house seats. last november, we saw anothe shakeup during the 202 midterms the party split the major stat races. democrats kept the governorshi and the attorney general offices, republicans get the seat in the senate they gain a seat in the hous in one as heat in the state senate, resulting in a republican super majority. as you can see, there is not
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always an obvious guess for ho elections are going to pan out in wisconsin fast forward to this week, wisconsin showed up muelle consequential vote this time resulting in liberal winning their first majority i the wisconsin supreme court in 15 years janet, a judge on the milwauke county circuit court won a sea on the highest court her win means that several crucial issues could face a ne fate in front of a new majorit liberal bench, including abortion rights, the state gerrymandered legislative -- and administering elections, that could possibly include th outcome of the 202 presidential election. her win also has man republicans pondering whethe this state victory for liberal is for shattering what is to come in the next election by itself joining me now is a true exper on wisconsin politics, dan, th author of the fall of wisconsin, the conservative conquest over progressive bastion and th future of american politics. dan, good to see you >> great to be here.
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>> what i was trying to expres to our viewers is that wisconsin politics is actually a little bit confusing when i put that to you in th break, you felt that one way t explain why it is confusing is the degree to which wisconsi is a gerrymandered state >> that is right, wisconsin is by far the state legislature it is the most gerrymandered legislature in the whole country. in fact, there was a court cas that went to the first federal ruling against parts o gerrymandering three decades it was upheld. it basically said that democrats, the constitutiona rights were being violated the supreme court threw back t the states for lack of standing then they decided later that the federal courts have no rol in partisan gerrymandering however, justice john robert said that you should take it t the states now with the change in the ideological composition of the state supreme court, it is a
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very, very likely to - the maps will come before th supreme court. they have said that, they call the maps rigged. that became a bone o contention during this >> what is it about he election that is interesting is it just her and her qualifications, is the thing you say that this was a bastio of progressivism or is there a -- is there's something about where conservative politics is going in the nation, in statewide election, or electio might be a signal that don't g too far, don't get crazy >> i think all of those things it's very complicated. you can see a lot of thing that are interesting in he election namely the push back against the dobbs decision i wisconsin. basically, the operating law became the 1849 law that completely prohibited th practice except for say th life of a mother, very extreme it was passed one year after the state, after wisconsin
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became a state it basically threatene abortion providers with si years in prison and what struc them of their medical licenses this was a law that was passed when women could not vote fo seven more years and basically they didn't even know the term caused disease at that time. that was a big part of it. i think you also see a kind of combination, a pent up frustration and anger as wel as hope on the progressive side 12 years, essentially, o minority rule. i think the gerrymandering was a really key piece of he election and the margin of her election i think it is the firs opportunity for democrats to kind of unlock some of the structural advantages that republicans have imposed on th state, going back to scott walker in 2011 >> let's talk about that if - this is a statewide election so gerrymandering ha marginally less impact o things like that
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how do you then explain ro johnson who has move progressively to the right not just the right, he has engaged in some kooky politics in the last few years. he has been election denier, h was possibly very closel involved in the insurrection attempts during january 6th. yet, he was able to wi reelection >> he won very narrowly, as on of the closest elections i wisconsin in many decades. there was a ton of funding for richard, of the yuan shipping, he's a billionaire that ha basically been driving wisconsin. and there was a tremendous number of basically racist ads attacking mandela barnes tha were broadcasting him is sof on crime it was a closely fought race i think it is not impossible for republicans to win their i think this particula election over the supreme cour motivated people that had been
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-- it was a combination of ange over the gerrymandering an 2018, the republicans after 20 version, the democrat won th attorney generals office, they strip those offices of some of the powers these were very anti democrati lower case the efforts tha have pushed people and motivated them here was an opportunity, the first in a long time as you say, 15 years, even longer. in 2008, it wasn't really liberal controlled court, it was centrist it was the first opportunity t get the voter i.d. law all of these things were essential, they were a playe in the transformation of wisconsin. i think people felt on tha side, on the progressive side, a rare opportunity to kind o look at the structural changes that have really been supe imposed on the state, largel from powerful conservative think tanks and donors, much o which came from out of state
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>> i would recommend tha people study wisconsin t understand where this countr is and where it is going, what the possibilities are. dan, great to see you. we haven't had an opportunit to do that in a few years. >> it's a pleasure, anytime. >> dan often is the author o the fall of wisconsin, the conservative conquest an bastion of the future of american politics. it does for me, thank you fo watching, and catch me bac here tomorrow morning in our new time slot from 10 am t noon eastern don't forget, velshi i available as a podcast subscribe and listen for fre wherever you get your podcasts stay right where you are, alex witt report begins after a quick break. quick break. using the services you want in the clouds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovate and grow. subway keeps upping their game with the subway series. an all-star menu of delicious subs. there's the philly, the monster, the boss. if i hadn't seen it in person, i wouldn't have believed it.
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from msnbc headquarters in new york welcome to alex reports. we begin this hour breaking, news women across the countr face growing uncertainty dis overdoing federal court ruling on whether they can use th abortion pill, mifepristone, a texas judge walked the fda approval of the drug it's now on hold for seven days earlier the president and ce of planned parenthood gave her reaction to msnbc. an opinion like this that is s politically motivated that it' not grounded anything but junk science, he literally cites th

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