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from msnbc world headquarter here in new york, welcome, everyone to alex witt reports. we have breaking news from the middle east. live pictures from tel avi where a peaceful rally over judicial overhaul is underwa for the 14th week in a row it comes amid a new burst of violence, sparking fears of broader conflict in the greate region joining me now, nbc's ra sanchez in tel aviv, i kno you're back covering the - how is the violence affectin the demonstrations >> well, alex, you can see despite everything else goin on, these protesters are out o the streets in their tens of thousands. alex, i think they may vote to sing the national anthem here. i am gonna speak quietly but these protesters are out i

the streets in there are ten of thousands, despite violence and when you speak to people here, they say, despit everything going on, it is crucial for them to be here. they feel israeli democracy is at stake at this point and that they will not b deterred we are just a couple of mile here from the site of last night's attack in tel aviv israeli police say a palestinian man rammed his car into a promenade he hit six people, killing one of them. the italian government has confirming that the person who lost their life was an italian citizen, he was a tourist over here meanwhile, as we speak, israel forces are fanned out across the occupied west bank, they are performing a major man hunt, looking for a suspecte palestinian gunman, who killed two israeli sisters. earlier in the day alex, i'm gonna throw it bac to you i think it's totally appropriate for me to keep talking as they sing the national anthem. >> i respect that, thank you for getting all the news tha you did. ralph sanchez, tel aviv.

in the meantime, we have mor breaking news, a new reactio to - a texas judge, effectively banning the use of mifepristone, that's an abortion drug that has been used for more than 20 years ago. the judge giving the governmen seven days to appeal a judge in washington ruling that 17 states in washington d.c., can still legall dispensed the drug, governor in several states are speaking out today. we'll have more on what they'r saying in just a moment fo you. the white house responding swiftly, with a promise to protect women's reproductive rights >> there is no question that the president and i are goin to stand with the women of america, and do everything w can to ensure that women hav the ability to make decision about their health care, their reproductive health care, in a matter that is what they need, and they decide that, not thei government this is a drug that the fd approved as safe 20 years ago and has been proven to be safe

for 20 years this is a dangerous precedent, i'll have more to say after review the decision in its entirety >> new this hour, what is next for two young black democratic tennessee lawmakers expelled b the republican-led state legislature. a new reaction as congressiona democrats are weighing in on those expulsions here it is >> we've made a lot of progres in this discussion, we haven't addressed the basic issue of white supremacy an institutional racism these young people are leading these young people are showing up and saying, we ain't waitin anymore. no more waiting. we're gonna claim our right in this country >> they're afraid of our voice their fate of the generational shift that's coming to america the reckoning that our generation says, we don't have to wait for some of their time there comes a time where tim itself is ready for a change that time has come for tennessee and for america. >> also new today, a short tim ago, reflections on the week that was for donald trump. here's former trump lawyer michael cohen's observation on

tuesday's court appearance >> the one thing that, o course, we all saw, in donal can say whatever he wants, w all saw the look on his face a the door slammed, and th police officer didn't even hol the door for him as he was coming through you can see the look of, not just anger, but fear complete and total fear in his eyes >> just a few minutes, we'll have a reaction from a numbe one time insider, omaros amanda gulp newman right now, we have new reporters and analysts on thos huge court rulings, regardin the abortion pill, we're gonna begin with nbc's dasha burns dasha, break this down for us. both of the rulings, if you can, please >> alex, look, late in the day yesterday, we got some of th most consequential news when i comes to abortion access since the overturning of roe v. wade i'm going to start with lawsuit in texas, that is what we've all been watching fo months now and the case in washington was

essentially, filed in response to what was going on in that texas suit so, taking a step back, what's happening in that case, a grou of antiabortion organization and doctors have sued the fda, saying that they did not adequately evaluate the safety of that drug, mifepristone that used in medicatio abortion, when they approved i back in 2000 the fda says, this case has no merit, they say it's been on the market for over 20 years now. this drug has been taken according to the fda, by mor than 5 million women with over 28 deaths. associated with the drug but in this case, the judge ha mostly cited with th plaintiffs in this case. agreeing with them that the fd didn't do enough to properly evaluate its safety, and he di put a stay on the fda' approval of the drug but that means, essentially, h has suspended that approval, a

though it never happened but he also put a stay on hi own ruling giving seven days for th government to go and try to ge emergency relief from a higher court. for seven days, nothing happens, and we are waiting and watching just moments after that case dropped, that ruling dropped another case in washington state, a federal judge ruled essentially, in the opposite direction. saying that the fda should allow access, maintain access, to mifepristone. in the 17 states that brought lawsuit, trying to protect access to the drug, 17 state plus washington d.c. now, those states are in a legal conundrum, they've got two conflicting directions fro two different federal judges alex, which no doubt, is going to send this up to the supreme court. meanwhile, for those who are providing abortion care across

the country, this means chao and confusion. take a listen to planned parenthood >> this is just a crisis o democracy. when you have one activist conservative judge make decision like this, to file an opinion like this, that is s politically motivated, that is not grounded in anything but junk science literally, states the junk science that was put before hi by antiabortion opponents. in a way that really contradicts the 20 plus year of safe access to mifepristone that women have relied on to end pregnancies safely it's just, it's a crisis o democracy, and it's a crisis o health care, i think >> alex, in response to all of this, we are expecting protest throughout the country today alex >> i can imagine, dasha, thank you for that okay, joining me right now, nb news investigative reporte chloe atkins, we just hear from planned parenthood, wha

are you hearing from lawmakers today? >> lawmakers around the countr are directly weighing in o this major ruling that came ou on good friday, late las night. we heard, notably, from folk in lawmakers in states where abortion is currently legal, after their overturning of roe v. wade, we heard from folks like the governor of new york, in the age of pennsylvania who told nbc news, the governo of new york says this override the fda's scientific approva process, and the pennsylvani a.g. also said, this rulin doesn't change access in her state, and medication abortion remains illegal. we also even head of a congresswoman weigh in on this directly, not too long ago take a listen. >> we are ringing the alarms, don't really care how far we'v got to go, we've got to protec women. we've got to protect healt care we've got to protect anyon that has a uterus. this is a crisis in ou country. and considering how extreme th far-right has gone to go ahead

and banned our access, i think that we have to be willing t go toe to toe, and that' exactly what i'm encouraging the president to do. any and everything that they can do >> alex, the medicatio abortion - at the center of this fight. the two pill regimen, it's bee on the market for 27 years used by millions of people and it's highly safe and highly effective alex >> jasmine crockett, from what we just heard there, she mad the point, nothing is gonn happen for seven days. dasha burns made that point as well but after that, what happens i the coming weeks >> well, it remains to be seen it really depends on how thi plays out in the courts. right now, we are expecting th doj to officially file a appeal with the fifth circui court, they have filed a notic to the texas judge, they hav informed them, informed him, they are going to do that. >> they're going to. that >> exactly. losing party out of the fift

circuit will likely appeal t the supreme court. the supreme court will be th last person, or the last group to weigh in on this. in the next seven days, we wil have a better understanding of what access looks like as it relates to medication abortion and if this is to bill regimen is taken off the mark, it we will likely see provider switch over to this -- only regimen that is slightl less effective then the two pill regimen. >> chloe atkins, thank you s much for weighing in on al that from there now, everyone, to tennessee. where national outrage i focused after two blac lawmakers were expelled, and a third white colleague spared after protesting gun violenc on that states house floor nbc's chris -- is joining us from nashville priscilla, another welcome, th tennessee three, they have now both spoken with all three rather, with president biden vice president harris. what we know about those conversations? >> alex, we know that presiden biden met with those three lawmakers, virtually, thanking

them for their leadership on this issue and praising them for callin for a ban on assault weapons we also know, he praised the for upholding democratic values and that is a message that w heard echoed by vice president kamala harris, when she made that last-minute visit here to nashville, to meet with thos lawmakers in person before speaking to a crowd of supporters that had gathered i want to play a little bit of what she had to say. yesterday. >> they understood the importance, these three. of standing, to say that peopl will not be silenced to say that a democracy hear the cries, hears the police, hears the demands of its people who say that children should b able to live and be safe and g to school and not be in fear [applause]

>> and that is really what i at the heart of this issue alex, these protests took plac on the house floor, days after the school shooting here i nashville, where six people, including three children, lost their lives. and many of the demonstrator that showed up here, as they watched lawmakers debate for hours, whether these representatives should b expelled, talking about wh brought -- on a floor, who didn't all of these questions aroun decorum. many of the people who cam here where asking, why aren' we having this type of debat around gun legislation and we expect to see more of those protests here next week? alex >> i bet you will. priscilla thompson, thank yo very much, from nashville. ,. new york congressman, jama bowman, joins me next to tal about it, and what you jus heard from tennessee, back i 60 seconds

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♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ new today, the doj and pentago are reviewing the possible lea of a classified document about ukraine that appeared online the second sensitive documen leak this week let's go to nbc's monica alvon at the white house, monica what did these documents reveal? and do we know where they came from have they've been verified a authentic? >> no, not yet, alex that's a really big an important part of this story these are images of what appeared to be classifie documents, and that's why yo have the department of defense and department of justic looking into the matter. it's really unclear if these are real or if they've bee altered, if these were documents, that somehow were leaked again, unclear by whom,

but they have been manipulated and changed they started surfacing on social medi recently some of them are date late february, early march and they appear to sho assessments of the militar strength in ukraine. how it's doing so far. casualty rates even assessments of some missile and weapons systems. again, it's not really understood, necessarily, whether these are also jus documents that show this, bu then some of them, in the same way, are popping up in different places with some similar markings but then some words seem t have been changed. that's why we have everybody from these agencies lookin into it, that's why you have congressman, mike quickly, who is on your hour just recentl here, saying, there's actually very little we know at thi point. here's what he had to say. >> i think this is the tim what i've spoken to you, tha we know the least about an issue. honestly, leaks of, if that' what this is, or if this

succeeds, is extremely dangerous. it puts ourselves at risk, i puts our allies at risk, i puts our sources and methods a lip risk we said we don't know enough right now. other than that this investigation has to take plac and be successful right away >> yeah, that was echoed b other lawmakers and othe experts yesterday, you sai these really have to be treate with caution, and they als pointed out, russian state media has been pretty quiet so far on these documents some questions there about any possible role that they may if had in all of this alex >> monika, thank you so much from the white house on that we have some new details t share on the far reachin impact of former president donald trump's arraignment republican congressman marjorie taylor greene, was in new york tuesday, joining th crowdoutside the courthous for claiming trump's innocence my next guest was also there and had this message for the congresswoman. >> do your freaking jo

marjorie taylor greene, yo don't need to be in new york city talking that nonsense go back to your district what are you doing here? you're here for politics you hear cause you want to b vp, you're here for your own fund raising, you hear for you own nonsense >> joining me now is tha gentleman, new york congressma jamal bowman a democratic member of the house education in the workforce committee. so, what did you really mean i'm just kidding, we got the message loud and clear the fact is, congressman greene tried to speak outsid the courthouse, but was drowne out by counter protesters. she has since called new yor disgusting and repulsive what's your response to that >> by, felicia that's my response by, felicia. you should have never been i new york in the first place. listen, we have to make sure that her rhetoric, her divisiveness, her hate does no

stand anywhere in this country especially in new york you know, she came, she rose t fame based on a qano conspiracy theory. she carries the water and is a leading voice for maga republicans, who are sidin with the great replacement theory and white supremacy so, she came to support th ultimate great replacement theorist, donald trump new york gave her the welcom that she deserved, and m message is clear, go back to your district to do your job and your district. but also, go to washington t do the work that the america people sent us there to do which involves gun control reforms. education reforms, climate change, and so much other work to do. so, i was happy to be there to greet her accordingly. >> that's what you called, greeting okay let me just say, i love that you always act so tough, she put out a workout videos all that kind of things, i'm, like she just swung away from new york

she can't handle new york. anyway, what about donald trump, who is now officially criminal defendant what kind of message does that fact send to americans and the rest of the world? >> you know, this is a big moment in american history obviously, because he's th first former president to be indicted in our history. it's a big moment, simply fo that fact. it's also a big moment as we think about the recalibratio of our democracy and the reckoning that america needs a this moment. i mean, he almos singlehandedly destroyed our democracy. i would argue, because of hi mishandling of the pandemic, w had several hundred thousand additional people die becaus of the way he approached tha pandemic so, this is a moment where, fo the first time in u.s. history we're gonna see a very public, high profile, powerful white men be held accountable by our justice system

it usually doesn't go that way when you're powerful and rich, and white and male, usually, the justice system works i your favor and it usually works against poor people, especially poor people of color. so, my hope is, there' accountability here, if th facts lead to a conviction that's what needs to happen, america needs to heal from the presidency of donald trump >> let's pivot to thos tennessee state republicans wh -- tennessee house republican there, they expel the to doubt black democrats, justin jones, justin pierson, they wer protesting gun violence. the white democrat, who also protested, was not expelled. listen to how she explain that >> why do you feel like ther is a difference in the outcome between you and your colleague >> i will answer your question it might have to do with the color of our skin. >> do you believe race was a factor there >> yes i do.

let me also say this and ask this question. how many black elites play for the tennessee titans how many black athletes play for the memphis grizzlies? how many black athletes play for the university of tennessee? and how many billionaires come into that state as a result of black labor, just through blac athletics, and many othe professionals that show blac people contribute greatly to the tennessee economy. this is tennessee's history. the ku klux klan was founded i tennessee. and now, america gets to shine a light on tennessee i want to applaud the tw brothers, and the woman, who stood up and protested with th peaceful protesters after this horrific shooting. we need their leadership s much right now, in our country and we need this to happen i state legislatures across th country, by democrats an

republicans, who care about ou democracy, who care abou justice, who love the american people, and want to see ou country evolve into what it' capable of being we need that pushback from elected officials, we need it, more importantly, from the grassroots to rise, and hold elected officials accountable, and vote them out of office, i they are not doing right on an issue, but specifically, the continued allowing of ou children to be slaughtered b assault weapons. >> yeah, amen to that. let's turn now to education, because your four bulb are principal, you recentl unveiled that new proposal, it is called the more teachin less testing act tell us what you're proposin and how you think it's gonna help students? >> we need a revolution in public education the system is still rooted i hundred year old practices and we've been doing annua standardized testing for the last 25 years. we have not had the result that we said that we wer fighting for so, what we need is a shift. we need a shift towards studen

centered teaching and learning a shift towards supporting families who are in desperat need a shift towards project-base learning, and a shift toward putting students at the center of being the problem solvers o the 21st century we have climate change, we hav health care issues, we hav housing issues, we have racism and sexism and classism that continues to persist and our students are ready wit so many ideas and so muc capacity, they're just continu to be held down by a syste that doesn't value them enough and it's a system that als doesn't value the capacity o our teachers so, this bill changes th paradigm the stop focusing on overt testing and misuse of testing, and let's focus on the magic o teaching and learning in classrooms, for our 24 century economy. that's the transformatio that's needed, this bill is on step in that direction >> do you think you can ge this one to the presidents desk?

>> oh, absolutely. once republicans stop th culture wars, once they stop attacking trans students, an trying to attack critical race theory, and banning books an coming up with a bill of rights, because parents already have rights, once they start doin that, and or once we get voter to vote the right people int office, this will get to the presidents desk, but it starts with a communication tool and paradigm shift towards the magic of our kids and what they're capable of doing >> representative jamal bowman i always appreciate the passio with which you bring all of ou discussions, the content and all that thank you so much. >> omarosa is up next, she's gonna remind us of a wil anecdote about the forme president, and why some whit house papers may never b found. ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement.

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donald trump's first court appearance as a defendant, joining me now, is omarosa manigault-newman, and of course, she's a former trump white house director o communications for the offic of public liaison, also author of the tell-all bestsellin book, unhinged, an insider account of the trump white house. welcome, my friend here's what we really want t have you here today. you know so well, he was you mentor on apprentice, you work with him for nearly 15 years what went through your min when you saw him sitting in courtroom before a judge >> first of all, alex, thank for having me on it was really just unreal, t

see him sitting there. i never thought i'd see the da that donald trump would be hel accountable for all of these really unlawful things tha he's done, but to see him si standing there, it was a reall surreal moment >> i can imagine you saw his demeanor, what d you think was going through hi mind or officers led him through th fingerprinting process >> i think he was livid, the whole time i was watching, donald would get reall frustrated in very, very angry whether he couldn't contro every situation. certainly, this was a situatio that was well beyond his control. certainly, that moment when th officers walking through and doesn't hold the door for hi any steps back where, i thin that was a smack in the face t snap him back into reality now, in custody. >> pretty sobering for sure. this indictment, as you know it referenced three hush money cases, you are in trump's orbi and at least some of the years of these events played out from the very first payment to a dorm in, the payment then to

karen mcdougal, there wa always the access hollywoo tape of course and then the payment to stormy daniels, before he won the 201 election what more can you tell us about, first of, all the panic caused by the access hollywood tape and do you think that played a role in hit the stormy daniels payment? >> what's interesting, a littl after i left the apprentice, i want to go work for ami fo david pecker and okay magazine, david was also launching a new project called reality weekly, magazine so, i was the west coast editor, during that time, he had a deputy named dylan, an dillon's full-time job apparently, was to catch and suppress the stories about donald trump there was this infamous vaul that they had, the enquire allegedly, that kept all o this information about donald. fast forward to the indictment i'm reading it a lot of the rumors that i heard, well it worked at the magazine, were confirmed in th indictment >> hang on

dylan was assigned to, essentially, catch and kill, it's a phrase we've all become familiar with now. exclusively donald trump stories? or others as well? >> exclusively donald trump. allegedly, we go to th headquarters of ami, which o course, i visited very often with those working as a west coast editor there is, supposedly, this infamous vault of information, tapes, pictures, secrets, that david kept safe for donald trump and they were overseen b his chief, dylan who i believe now is the edito of a lot of those magazines fo ami. still there. >> look, i'm not gonna refut what you're saying, obviously, there's another got nbc news have been able to verify, bu it is interesting. let me ask you what you wrot in your book, you wrote abou when he first met kare mcdougal, at the playboy mansion during an apprentice video shoot, you say, a phot exists of karen, ivanka,

melania and donald posin together with some other bunnies, the craziest family snapshot in history. and the day after trump's cour appearance, mcdougal tweeted this, i've been out abou enjoying god's country, hope i didn't miss anything that was dripping with sarcasm obviously. did you ever meet mcdougal what was the concern about her during the 2016 campaign >> during the my apprentic days, donald loved to have our events at the playboy mansion. so, going to the playboy mansion back then wasn't unusual. because of his relationshi with the mansion, with the owner, who's now passed away but i met a lot of playboy bunnies, i don't recall meetin karen. i know that she was in the orbit at that time i remember how frequentl donald wanted to have events there, including one of ou finale parties for the apprentice franchise was hel at the playboy mansion >> so, let's talk a little bit

more about david pecker in the practice of catch and kill, yo had your own experience, i fact, when trump told you, omarosa, you've got to dro this lawsuit against the enquirer david pecker is my close friend i've spoken with him and he' willing to work with you what do you want >> what happened there >> well, him he's right. dave it was around, very, very frequently david pecker was constantly in the trump orbit. i got to meet him many, many times. i thought it was really unusual, at least one of his editors, ran a story about the murder o my brother, my brother was murdered the enquirer ran a story tha said, they had an exclusiv interview with me at the funeral. which was just obscene, it was so disgusting. so, i took legal action. next thing i know, my phon rings and donald trump i calling me, hey, sorry about the lawsuit of your brother, but david he's our friend.

always donald trump wheeling and dealing. after that situation, we had a come to jesus moment,, i met him many times he invited me to take over the west coast of all of his magazine entities, or should i say, several of the magazine entities i was not involved with th enquirer, it is want to sa that very clearly. but very interesting time. that's the way trump world works, it's a very, very bizarre, small kind of world where donald trump has all these people in his orbit. and they're all protecting him >> not surprisingly, i have few more questions, please sta right where you are my friend. one more conversation with omarosa just a moment, and why so trump white house papers ma never be found before we go to break, california's water crisis ha changing dramatically. this is lake oroville, that' in 2021, compare it to now it's beautiful now, look a that it's one of the states mai reservoirs, and it's well abov historic averages, along wit

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can i ask you about somethin that was kind of crazy soundin in the book. about when donald trump starte eating paper after meeting wit michael cohen? what was, that what happened there? >> you know, when i wrote abou it, when the book came out people thought it was so bizarre. now that you read th indictment, there is a reference to michael cohen coming to the white hous having a meeting in the oval, walked michael cohen from th west wing into the oval office i left the two of them for a bit, when i checked on som things, and came back to get michael to take him back ove to the east wing, he left. i walked back in the oval to say something to donald, he' tearing up a no into tin little pieces, and then it looks as though he was putting in his mouth to true it. now that i know that tha discussion was about paying of stormy daniels, it was a littl crazy. the fact that it's referencing

the indictment, that conversation centered around stormy daniels and the payment that cohen and michael that an donald arranged, that's why it was so memorable to me donald mood changed completely he was acting so strange for the rest of the day. and that's why i wrote about i back then, and now, to see i in the indictment is prett bizarre, alex. >> now we are talking about it still. all right, my friend, thank yo so much, can i wish you an your husband a happy sixth anniversary, i got to meet him during the commercial brea everybody. handsome guy, six more years and then some. thank you so much. in the meantime, we have new details, very sobering details about the murder of a tech executive in san francisco even deeper into parking spaces so people think they're open. surprise. [ laughs ] [ horn honks, muffled talking ] -can't hear you, jerry. -sorry. uh, yeah, can we get a system where when someone's bike is in the shop, then we could borrow someone else's?

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district attorney is awaitin for what is expected to be a array of motions from donald trump. this comes as new headlines ar revealing the severity o trump's legal trouble, now tha he has been criminally charged joining me now, -- political investigations reporter for the guardian, and rebecca -- former manhattan distric attorney and professor of la at new york law school here in manhattan. welcome to you both. first, hugo, you are inside th arraignment, what was that like, and how would you describe trump's demeanor >> yeah, it was extraordinaril tense. when trump walked in, he had this very serious look on hi face, his jaw was clinched not exactly sure what to mak of it. but then when he walked out, i had some time to think about it, basically what we saw was look of real fear, that he was

trying to disguise through som indignation. he was supposed to give remark to the tv camera outside the courtroom where he was being arraigned, and his campaign ad planned on using - the campaign promotional material you can see trump when he walk through the door, he looks really, really subdued and really afraid, frankly the fact that he didn't give any sort of statement to the cameras as he walked out i testament to the fact of how fearful he felt when he went i for his arraignment. >> we've heard two adjective to describe him, scared, fearful and angry. i think that it really prett well buttoned that up. rebecca, in a new article, nbc senior legal correspondent says, on the big question on the minds of many, what legal hook prosecutors will use to elevat what would normally be considered misdemeanors to felonies a firm answer to that importan question, however, is foun nowhere in the indictment. first of all, do you agree wit

that, rebecca? what might that legal hook be? >> yeah, there was so much anticipation about the unsealing of the indictment, w all felt like that all of ou answers would be given then, they really weren't, we di find out about those 34 felony counts we do know, from the statement of facts and from bragg's pres conference, that there is some combination of state electio crimes, federal election crimes, and state tax crimes that ar gonna be those charges that ar going to be the intent that he is charged with having, that will elevate those crimes into felonies we don't know how the manhatta da is going to prove that, and with what evidence, i thin that's critical, until we know that, we really don't know the strength of the case that he has. >> you are talking about wha was presumed the hush mone case, that all of th indictments would be on that the charges would be aroun that, that would be hard t prove. how is that different to wha

actually was uncovered >> well, you know, it would be hard to prove, or at least there's some legal hurdles with proving the intent to commit election fraud, eithe state or federal electio fraud. they're both legal and factual hurdles, the former presiden is going to try to claim, look he was being extorted, this was, if anything, to bring clarit to the election. not fraud. not obfuscation, and that, i fact, he was just trying to do the right thing. to quash a story that wa erroneous. so, also, it wasn't for th election, in fact, it was fo his own personal, you know personal use, in other words to protect his family. those are all possible defenses both legal and factual >> but can i ask you, what about the state tax crime that you said, that would be i se you nodding, what about that one? that would be easier to prove? >> so, that's about getting to we don't know exactly how th

prosecutor plans to prove that the intent was to commit state tax crimes it does avoid many of the lega and factual pitfalls, thos defenses really will not hel him. if what the former president was trying to do was to take a deduction when he was not, whe a deduction was not warranted, those payments were disguise as illegal payments. and legal payments you can tak a deduction for. whether you're paying off hush money payments to a porn star, you can't. >> hugo, about 15 seconds, giv me why donald trump would want to put this off the trial into the spring, right in the heart of a presidential primar season, when the da wanted t be in january? >> look, he only sees upside the campaign only sees upside, they think by having thi indictment, all of the rest of republican field has to fall i behind him basically, they see this as campaign boost, you can alread see the -- ahead of this desantis, no it's doing him a lot of favors

with respect to fund raising he raised 5 million in the las 48 hours >> got it. i love for the city about agai very soon. that's gonna do it for me on this edition of alex wit reports, all be off for th easter holiday tomorrow, happy easter to all of you celebrating. my friend yasmin vossoughian continues our coverage good afternoon, i'm yasmin vested denver following several major stories this afternoon two big rulings on a key abortion pill praising the legal stakes to protec abortion rights for millions o women. reaction is coming in, fast an furious. new developments in the ouster of two - lawmakers in the tennessee legislature as the vic president lends her voice to the fight. >> they understood the importance, these three, o standing to say that peopl will not be silenced