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>> good evening, and welcome t politicsnation tonight's lead, rights versu might. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it has been a whirlwind political week, with republicans from the state house to the courthouse, tryin to force their ultraconservative agenda o americans who have repeatedl rejected their platform at the ballot box but trump appointed federa judge yesterday suspended th fda's longtime approval of ach abortion drug, the latest blow to reproductive rights which have been under assault sinc

the overturn of roe v. wad last summer. meanwhile in tennessee republican state lawmakers voted to expel two black representatives for speaking out against gun violence invoking rules used only twice before since the civil war a fair lawmaker who barely escaped this himself joins u live in just a moment. and of course, there's forme president donald trump, defyin in the face of an unprecedente criminal indictment. his house gop allies are rushing to his defense targeting the democratically elected african american prosecutor, manhattan da alvin bragg. lots to cover. we start with tennessee stat representative gloria johnson, a democrat thank you for joining us today representative and if i may say at the opening, you are one of the tennessee three. and i want to get to the

meeting you had with vic president harris on yesterday, i don't believe you've don interviews on this network since the meeting you've don some before. but let me start with this republican vote to expel you colleagues, stat representatives justin goals and justin pierson, while yo escaped removal by just on vote for people just catching up, can you explain why this happened, and tell us abou efforts to get representatives jones and pierson reinstating? >> absolutely. and thank you for having me, reverend sharpton. i really appreciate you talkin about this issue and getting i out there, and everybody for doing that, because this is so critical what is happening in tennessee is something that we are seein across the country, it is th shredding of democracy and i'm pretty appreciated s much, and the supermajority's, they have absolute power, whic is corrupting absolutely

and we stood up for victims of gun violence, for the thousand of protesters that were outsid of our doors, and our voices were being silenced on the floor. we were not able to address th idea that these people wer here, they were begging us t listen to them, and they wer wanting answers on what we wer gonna do to protect their kids after many mothers who dro their kids off at school so, in our hearts, we felt compelled to go to the floor just to recognize that those protesters were there, because they were scared for the children, and whether they wer gonna come home safely in th evening. and so, we felt compelled, a microphones were cut off, we were not given an opportunit to welcome people, so we decided to go to the well. we spoke without the speaker's

permission for 15 seconds, maybe, and he cut ou microphone, and called a recess and we continued to speak to the people, one of m colleagues, with a many bull horn, and for that, we wer expelled and for that, they filed a appeal shun. >> it seems pretty obvious why your african america colleagues, representative jones and person expelled, and you are not. but can you tell me what you thoughts were when tha happened i said on another show earlier this week when that happened and you very boldly boldly sai it was race. but i think that one of th things that i've said is that have seen an interracial intergenerational focus around this in nashville. and everybody is standing as one. but tell me how and why yo think this happened the way it

did? >> because, you know, i've bee in this body for a little while, longer than these youn gentlemen, even though representative jones and representative pearson hav been at the capitol advocating for things and they've seen what it's like you know, the reality, i wasn't just a few weeks ago was sitting in the committee a republicans have voted to brin back the firing squad, and bring back the electric chair. and one of the members said, i really like this bill, and i think we should bring back hanging by a tree -- >> let me stop right there because i don't think a lot of people got that. one of the legislators said le us bring back hanging by a three, which is lynchings? >> yes, sir. he didn't talk about gallons he literally said hanging by a tree and we all know exactly what that is. we have heard comments about black colleagues, and joke about fried chicken.

you know, these things come up and it's not -- it happens regularly in our legislature and if you listen to the questioning, i was there for the question and answer period with all of us, of course with my two colleagues. there was no question there wa a racial undertone to th questioning of my colleagues and, you know, the idea or requirement that they need t behave, dress like, look like, and act like the other members of the body. and not really honoring them motivational, mult generational idea of what we really want our legislature to look like. >> now, vice president kamal harris traveled to nashville t meet with you and your expelle colleagues yesterday and she had this to sa afterward. >> you can't walk around and talk about protocol.

protocol and procedures were devised to require and allow and encourage debate and discussion and, yes, dissension [applause] >> but the so-called leaders tried to shut it down instead. but we're not having that. [applause] >> representative, we haven' heard about that meeting, believe it's the first tim life you've come on since th meeting. can you tell us, first, for th first time, what the conversation with the vice president was like >> i'll tell you that sh really does get it we talked for quite awhile, th three of us. and we talked about a movement and we talked about how yo keep a movement going, and collaborating, and bringing in other similar organizations to

build that movement, and jus talked about this moment and this movement that we ca build to get that multi racial multi racial, mult generational legislative bodie that we want right now, we are the lowest number of women in the legislature of every state when i first started in 2013, think we had 17 or 1 percentage woman i think now we're down now around 10%, 11% women. and there are only two women i our democratic caucus in the house. >> now, representative johnson it seems very clear to me that this incident in tennessee, in the tennessee state legislature, it is part of a broade republican assault on ou democracy and free speech. that is playing across the country, and it's not lost only, that all this happened on th same week as the 55t

anniversary of the assassination of martin luther king junior, in your state, in tennessee. can you talk about the bigge picture that it seems that you talked to the vice president about, and what is at stak here >> yes, what's at stake here i literally democracy. i mean, we're talking about body in tennessee that has limited debate almost nothing. i mean, when i bring policy, when i bring legislation, want to discuss it, i want t debate it, i want to go into depth about what this policy will do, what it won't do, and how it will help tennessee families we have a republican super majority that wants to - they've created a rule thi session where there is no more -- i get no more than five minutes debate on a bill, if i'm questioning someone's bill or if i'm bringing my own bill and what that means is, as fiv minutes back and forth, so one time i asked a question, tha

was 30 seconds long, and a member read the bill to take u time and if we only, you know, if w only take 30 seconds to ask th question, they can take four and a half minutes to answer it, and that's as far as we get. then, we try to come back an our microphones get cut. >> wow >> and let us not debate i mean, they don't even have t call on us at all. there was one time a couple of years ago, it was one of the abortion pieces of legislation i sat on the floor with my han raised for 45 minutes, and the never called on me >> i'm out of time, but i must ask you this, i've known tha you used to be a teacher, an you are once in a school where there was a shooting does this add to you sensitivity of what happened there in nashville at th school shooting? because you experienced this a a teacher. >> yes, and like i told people i would never forget tha moment that happened in th cafeteria before the bell rang after breakfast, and jus

hundreds of students went down the hall toward my classroom screaming, crying. when they came into th classroom, it took a while t even get them to be able to be calm enough to tell me what ha happened and the terror and their faces a place where they're supposed to feel safe, we have to d something. and this is what this is about it is doing something agains gun violence we have to be steadfast. and those young people, this next generation, they're showing up, and they'r speaking up, they're passionate, and they're smart, and the organized well so, they're gonna stay at it until we see action. >> thank you so much for joining us, tennessee stat representative gloria johnson. joining me now is congresswoma gwen moore she's a democrat of wisconsin. congresswoman, there's a lot t cover. but i want to first get your thoughts about what you just

heard, and the suppression o black voices we saw this wee in tennessee >> well, thank you for havin me, rev. i think the tennessee three ar just inspiring and i listened t representative johnson, and it gives me hope that everythin that we've learned, rev, about nonviolence struggle and resistance, speaking up, it' being carried out, you know, even in the south. i think the fact that they did not expel her, and the expelled both of the black young men, really gives, i think, some sort of nexus. and i'm not a lawyer to really petitioning this at higher level, becaus absolutely race was involved i these explosions you know, courts don't like to get involved in legislativ

matters, but this is clearly, think, as representative johnson said, there is a racia component to it. >> let's get to the abortion pill ruling, perhaps the biggest blow to reproductive rights since the overturn of roe v. wade last summer. a trump appointed judge, issuing an order that coul suspend approval for a dru used in medication abortions nationwide, the ruling gave th federal government seven day to appeal. and the biden administration says it intends to do so what is at stake in the wake o this ruling? >> oh, my god, reds. you know, and then got through the seven days, because th administration is workin feverish later respond really, most abortion occu with this medical abortion form. and people don't have to g into an office, and they don't

have to travel they don't have to spend hundreds of dollars for this over the county counter remedy that's been in place for ove 20 years they've been found to be safe. and there's absolutely n reason to do it except to pu yet another barrier to women's reproductive freedom you know, these are people, me primarily, who absolutely go control over women's bodies. and, you know, that's anothe show, rev, where we're seein that you know, right now, women are being oppressed and yet anothe way. they already earn less tha men. they already, you know, have - forced into low wage jobs, job that women do primarily ar underpaid. and now, forced parenthood o them, to force women to lose their health, and to take al

choice out of their hands. i mean, they can't even have a medication at the early onse of pregnancy this is an assault on women' rights it is an assault on democracy. >> now, reproductive right played a major role in the election of a liberal judge in your state to the wisconsi supreme court this week. residents of your state vote overwhelmingly to tilt the balance of the court towar liberals for the first time in 15 years, which will affec rulings on wisconsin's pre civil war abortion ban in th gop drawn electoral maps but the republicans who've see their power steadily erode statewide are already plotting to use their supermajority i the senate to try and un-see the newly elected judge. how did the democrats in the state intend to fight back >> oh, my goodness, rev.

really, all eyes should be o wisconsin. this was a historic win an republicans, they're gonna use all the resources and the mone they have, and they just elected to the state senat someone who's not only gonna give them a supermajority, but someone who's coming int office promising that the firs thing he's going to do is tr to impeach this new suprem court jurist and, you know, if i were to sa to you, well, there are no causes, that would matter when our justice system, you know has not been captured by the right-wing and so, this is going to be continued fight. the senate -- there is a vet proof house. but the senate, exclusively, can deal with stuff like

impeachments, which is very, very dangerous driving for the wisconsinites. but we have -- my feet have no touched the ground, you know we prayed for justice, and justice would be just unfair and that is where we are now so, we're waiting to bring her into office because there's so much that could be changed, th maps, which have been highly contested. the 1849 abortion law. here, we live in a state, rev, where 49% of the votes goes to republicans, but yet they ge 60% of the seats in the stat assembly >> wow >> and this has been litigated all the way to the u.s. suprem court, and they have saddled their hands.

and so, this, clearly, would b an opportunity for our state supreme court to go back to th founding's of our state, whe the convention first meant i 1849, they said we wan redistricting to occur after the census and for the distribution to be as compact based on county lines and natural boundaries and cities as possible and we've strayed a long way away from that, with republica gerrymandering, and maybe this will get us back in compliance with our state constitution. >> congresswoman, so much ha happened this week you could forget that a former president was criminally indicted on tuesday. but your republican colleagues in the house were laying fixated on defending donal trump by targeting manhattan district attorney alvin bragg. the latest is that house

judiciary chair jim jordan i asking bragg's senior counse to testify on capitol hill it seems to me that we are seeing a pattern here. republicans will use any tacti to push their agenda supporting states rights i some cases, and federal powers and others and if they can't find a black person to demonize or threaten whether it be alvin bragg, o letitia james, where these two young lawmakers in tennessee they will absolutely do so are you seeing that same thing i'm seeing, congresswoman? >> oh, my god, reveren sharpton you know, the only thing that' so incredible about it is that they're not even trying to b sneaky about it anymore, o hide it, just straight-up whit supremacy, because they're desperate. i mean, they are so desperat to retain power, you know, you

hear their chants about we wil not be replaced. they see that more black and brown people are gaining i population, and electoral power, and political power. and we need to do the righ thing. they think it's more important to just buoy those who are - about campaign finance law, on of the things that has stumble me to death is to hear peopl like pence, and talking abou donald trump ought not to be fined or charged with campaign finance laws in 1988, before i even too office, i got to campaig finance violations for not reporting to the nations withi 24 hours, the week leading u to the state assembly. >> wow >> and reverend al, my son was hit by a car, was in the icu

i was sitting by his bedside and they said, oh, that just sounds so awful, representativ moore, you are fine, find an charged with two campaig violations >> and they're now saying we should not take campaign finance laws seriously, even i they all - >> right >> criminal, wow all right, thank you for being with us, congresswoman gwe moore. always happy to have you coming up, republica presidential hopefuls, not named trump -- are dreaming if they think they can win th nomination without provoking the elephant in the room, i've got some fre campaign advice for them tonight. first my colleague richard lui with today's top news stories. richard? >> wherever, good saturday t you. some stories we're following violence and demonstrations an israel this weekend. two israeli sisters were sho and killed in the west bank,

and an italian tourist was killed in a car ramming attack in tel aviv as well. israel launched its biggest ai strikes and lebanon in 1 years. now, the 14th consecutive week tens of thousands of demonstrators gathering in tel aviv as well for political demonstrations over a judicial overhaul, proposed by prim minister netanyahu and pope francis presided over an easter vigil mass at st peter's basilica today, one da after he skipped the goo friday event the vatican said it was due to cold weather 86-year-old pope francis was hospitalized for three day last week to receive treatment for bronchitis more politicsnation with reverend al sharpt fonor you right after this break ♪ ♪ ♪ sis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪things are getting clearer.♪ ♪i feel free to bare my skin yeah, that's all me♪ ♪nothing and me go hand in hand♪ ♪nothing on my skin♪ ♪that's my new plan♪ ♪nothing is everything♪ achieve clearer skin with skyrizi.

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and a normal world, you' expect his rivals would be lining up to attack. but we're not living in normal world because the front runner in question is donald trump. here's what some of the othe republican hopefuls had to say >> this is a political prosecution, and the prosecution should not hav made such a judgment to brin these charges against th former president of the united states i think it will divide americans in ways that aren' good for our republic. >> i think billions of americans are looking on, se this for what it is. it is a political prosecutio by a manhattan da. >> it has reinforced thi problem we have in our country where we have the politica left weaponizing the rule of law. it's all about trying to use the levers of power to advance political agendas. >> if any of the politicians decide to enter the race, it

will be the first time so, let me offer them advice as a former presidential candidate myself if you are serious about winning, you have to hit you opponent while they're down. former vice president mike pence should know this, he finally started admitting trum put his family in danger o january 6th, but they're religious conservative couldn' even muster up a rebuke of his former boss for allegedl engaging in an affair with a porn star. former secretary of state mike pompeo tries to project an aur of competence, but has faile to knock trump for his inflammatory social medi posts. it seems like the worst kind o quite diplomacy. in florida, governor ron desantis is bold and brash whe his bullying mickey mouse, o transgender school children. but he is curiously shy abou criticizing trump for trying t undermine the rule of law.

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opinion are moving in opposite directions there were two dueling federal court rulings yesterday on whether a woman can use a ke abortion pill, a texas judge ruled to suspend the two decad old fda approval of the drug the ruling is now on hold fo seven days, giving the doj a opportunity to appeal. two hours later, a federal judge in washington state rule that the drug can be offered i 17 democratic states i washington, d.c. now, this tug of war is playin out the same week wisconsi voters voted overwhelmingly fo liberal state judge, supreme court judge, that will tip the balance of judicial power in the state. when i heard key campaig promises, protect reproductive rights juanita, what is your reaction to all of this >> look, rev, once again, woma

and pregnant people are left i limbo when it comes to accessing basic health care. and i say basic health care on purpose because abortion i basic health care. and i think this ruling out of texas just shows that thes trump appointed gop judges, wh have long histories of being antiabortion, are going to d their efforts to make it illegal to have any type o access to abortion across th country. and i think this competing ruling out of washington state puts us on a path to the supreme court, which we also know is salivating at th opportunity to take additional rights from these conservative justices that republicans have went to court with so, it puts it in a precarious position yet again but i do appreciate, rev, like you pointed out, abortion an protecting basic access to health care and abortion right is a winning political issue for democrats. and i'm thrilled to see that democratic governors across th country are already stepping u to continue that fight, to mak

sure that reproductive right are accessible >> you know, susan, abortion i becoming a heading for republicans, althoug restrictions are popular wit religious conservatives, the are very unpopular with th country as a whole six in ten voters support lega abortion and just over a third favo outright bans. the overturn of roe hurt the gop in the midterms. with these latest developments could we see more of the sam in 2024? >> you mean republicans bein stupid on the issue? yes, expected. they will be they will continue to be continue to dig their own -- o their issue. if you mention wisconsin, just november, just a few months ago, the democrats won that state b three points, okay now, it was a ten-poin decision for the state supreme court.

what does that tell you is a motivating issue abortion is it was a ten-point issue we saw it in kansas, again, no a particularly pro-choic state. but it overwhelmingly won, protected a woman's right to choose, which tells me this, people, men and women, they ma have a position on the issue but they definitely do not wan to see extreme azure's taken b their government or thei elected officials. and that is what the gop bette break up and start saying. i mean, i hate to say this, bu donald trump was not too wrong when he said that it was a bad issue. >> yes juanita, many americans and th supreme court were shaken by the decision to overturn roe and then there's this, a stunning investigation published this week by april

propublica, detailin undisclosed luxury vacations taken by justice clarenc thomas for decades, paid for b a billionaire republican donor the revelations have man democrats calling for reforms. do you think anything is likel to happen on this? >> i mean, considering tha those reforms would need to go through congress, probably not also adding to the fact that chief justice roberts doesn' think there's anything wrong here, probably not but that doesn't mean it's not worth fighting for, especially for someone like clarenc thomas, who's been affiliate with multiple infractions in recent years i'm not just talking about these trips, let's really, the l.a. times reported on tha back in 2004, when he stoppe these reports for 20 years, an these disclosures, which was clearly a violation of disclosure of rules. but i'm talking about also his own wife, who was deeply involved in trying to overturn the 2020 election, talking t trump's chief of staff, making

calls to state legislators a well and the issue that you pointed out, rev, and the fact tha republicans don't have confidence in the highest cour in the land is only got to b perpetuated, if nothing happen here so, the calls for reform, th calls for a code of ethics, th calls for potentially are full warranted. so, i think there'll come to fruition, probably not sadly and that is sad for our country. >> so, justice thomas responde to the article think tha trump's were persona hospitality. and he had been advised if the did not need to be disclosed a the time although he also acknowledge those bulls have recentl changed. that explanation isn't likel to satisfy critics but it's also a bit of a supreme, surprise, i'll say, that justice thomas chose to respond at all could it be a sign the conservative justice, justices are concerned about th

legitimacy of the court righ now in the eyes of the america people >> absolutely, you know, i wen back to california, and looked, right after a hotl contested election, if you recall, the u.s. supreme court was trusted by 74% of th public just this past september, they took the same poll, and it turns they're only supported by, only trusted by 47%, meaning democrats, republicans independents do no overwhelmingly trust the supreme court. that is something that justice roberts has to take care of. >> susan del percio and juanit tolliver, thank you both for joining us coming up -- house republicans continue their attacks on manhattan district attorney alvin brag after former president trump's arraignment. we'll talk to a democrat on th judiciary committee, next. ♪ ♪ ♪

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testimony and documents from bragg's senior counsel, as the gop continues to claim the prosecution of trump has bee politicized. joining me now is maryland congressman glenn ivey, former states attorney thank you for joining us m today. congressman, is it on th judiciary committee. what is your view of chairma jordan targeting da alvin brag who's already been the recipient of numerous deat threats directed at him and hi family i thought republicans were supposed to be a party of la and order. >> not anymore, apparently you know, i've stated that already, and many of m colleagues have as well, it' just looks like a naked attemp to try to intimidate the da. today's brett credit, he's strong, continuing to move forward with the case. and he sent a letter back to you know, a republicans, basically stating that h

wasn't gonna comply with the demands they were making and that made sense. i mean i, at the time, the were asking for things tha could violate secrecy rules in new york, which is a felony. some of the privileges t protect attorney, and basi federalism but at the end of the day, you can't allow them to pressure him, or try to throw them of track, distract. he's got a case to put together, and you know, the hous republicans know better than they're trying to intimidate or even get it in an ongoing criminal prosecution >> congressman, we mentioned your former prosecutor and you've seen your share o crime cases. what is your assessment of the hush money case against th former president trump >> yes, i've heard a lot o people say that they think it' really weak and all of that. i thought it was better than i was expecting, frankly i thought having miss mcdougal involved, the doorkeeper, yo

know, it bolstered the case in some respect and i also think that, you know, they've got a lot of documentary evidence that it looks like, we haven't seen al of it because they haven't started discovery. but it looks like they have pretty strong case from th standpoint of the documents, corroborating what cohen testified about. so, i think it's a pretty good case and then, the other part that thought was helpful was to the extent that the newspape officials get involved, an testify about the involvemen that they had and the role tha they played in suppressing thi testimony, and also the fact that immediately after the election, trump and cohen were -- trump told cohen that the needed to go forward with th payments i think it makes it clear that it was tied directly to th election, and not trying t keep them out of their secre general. >> earlier today in my capacit as head of the national action network, i headed outside of

the rally, two of the so-calle -- who were convicted in 1989 o rape and assault of a geauga and were exonerated year later. they had a unique take on th criminal case against presiden trump who took out a full page ad in for newspapers, callin for the return of the deat penalty on these young men before they even went to trial before the facts of the case were clear as you might imagine, these me have little sympathy for trump's complaints about how he's been treated, about the justice system but they said they want to get what they did not have, a fair trial. your thoughts? >> i thought one of the most outrageous, what trump and his supporters started saying afte the indictment was unsealed wa sort of comparing him, makin him sound like some kind of victim you know, this is the most unfair thing that's ever happened in the criminal justice system

i just thought it was really you know, ridiculous and you do wonder where thes folks have been, house republicans who have been goin to the d.c. jail, an complaining about the criminal justice process, where are the when, you know, we had these cases turn up, every few month these days it looks like they've been i jail for 30, 35, 40 years. turns out, he's innocent and now, he's being released these guys never say anythin about those things but, you know, donald trum gets charged, and still has al of his duke processes writes i place. and then it is the crime of th century. it's really disappointing an hit a crew hypocritical. >> and i might add, after they were exonerated, many year after doing jail, they wer exonerated with dna evidence trump still doubled down and said the city should not settl with them. glenn ivey, congressman of maryland, i wish i had mor time thank you for being with u today. up next, to conferences -- two

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