economy will suffer. i wish more states would tak that approach. >> three and a half percen unemployment rate, and peopl do have to worry, why are youn people not moving to my state? because i have choices, they will move to a place where the have rights. and if they need medical care, they can get it thank you to both of, you april, we're gonna let you g back to church we appreciate you taking a little timeout for us, to have this important discussion. but churches discussion, churc is important >> i left church to be wit you. and it was great >> bureau chief at the washington bureau, the white house bureau chief at edison contributor, she's the autho of black women will change the world. jennifer reuben is an opinio writer - the offer of resistant, ho women save democracy fro donald trump still ahead, the pentagon an the justice department are investigating how trove of classified documents pertainin to u.s. intelligence ended u on the internet. i'm gonna speak with former ci director john brennan, another hour of velshi begins righ now.

>> the morning it is sunda april 9th. donald trump's arraignment las tuesday was a singular momen in american history. never before has an american president been charged i connection with the crime. but the manhattan district attorney's criminal charge against trump barely scratch the surface of the legal troubles that he is facing it's not even the only pending case involving him in new york this week trump is expecte back in new york for a deposition related to a civi suit filed for the new yor state attorney general letitia james. last september, she filed a 25 dollar lawsuit against trump his three eldest - accusing them of fraudulen business practices 60 days from now, a trial is - in one of the two civi lawsuits filed against donal trump by the author an columnist e. jean carroll. a few years ago carole published a book in which sh accused trump of raping her in a dressing room in a luxur department store back in the

mid 1990s. trump denied these accusations say they've never even met before, and she was simply trying to promote her book that prompted carroll to sue him for defamation in 2019, an originally, that trial was als set to begin this month. but the judge has postpone indefinitely, as they wait for the d.c. court of appeal t issue related ruling that will decide whether that lawsuit ca proceed. but last year, carol filed a second lawsuit against trump for defamation and battery under a new york law, a new ne york law, that allows adul sexual assault victims one-tim opportunity to file civi lawsuits against their alleged abusers. even if the statue o limitations of long expired. the trial for that lawsuit i once is scheduled to begin later this month that tibia clear the matters involving the new york attorne general, and e. jean carroll our civil suit regardless of their outcomes those cases will not result in any sort of jail time. but trump continues to b vulnerable in a few othe pending criminal cases, fo which he could be indicted and

potentially convicted. in georgia, we're stil awaiting a decision for fulton county, the district eternal they're fani willis, on whethe to press charges in he investigation into electio interference in the 2020 presidential race. the special grand jury in this instance issued its fina report back in january in georgia, special gran jury's do not have the power t indict but attlee - who served at the foreperson has,, said, in, subsequent interviews, but the specia grand jury recommended indictments for more than dozen people when asked whether tha included the former president, xi told nbc news quote potentially it might but finally, there's jack smith, the justice department special counsel. he is handling the federal investigations related to th efforts to overturn the result of the 2020 presidential election in the weeks leadin up to next week. and the classified documents inquiry. there's been major development this week that will move his investigation along. despite initially fighting smith subpoena, former

president mike pence says he will now comply with the order for him to testify in th justice department's january six inquiry. last tuesday, a three judg panel in d.c. denied trump's appealed to block a ruling tha ordered several of his forme white house aides, including former chief of staff mark meadows to cooperate in th investigation. joining me, now -- a former federal prosecutor an msnbc legal analyst. thank you for being with us. it is a lot, donald trump is facing so much stuff, that i is hard to make this makes sense in a couple minutes fo our audience but we are trying to lay it out, and now i want to turn to yo to give me some sense of how all these various pieces fit together there's this manhattan case, which you and others have said it doesn't feel like the mos serious thing donald trump i facing but it's the tip of an iceberg >> it's the tip of an iceberg, and it's really well framed. because they took it when brag framed this indictment, it wasn't sort of a trump versu cohen framing that we've heard

so much about. instead, he made it more a stealing of the election, th original 2016 election stealin case which kind of fits into all of the other cases, right that trump announced he wa going to run for president that he had a meeting with the national enquirer people dick set up the whole catch an kill operation, and then there are three times in which the tried to hide things so that people of new york would not know what was going on, so tha he could win the election. so that is framed beautifully. and that fits in exactly wit these other cases. remember, they haven't interim relationship when it comes t picking the jury i mean just think about, it th jury in the emerging carroll rape case, which is basicall what that case is. it's not really defamation it's either he raped her or he didn't you know if he didn't, he did rape or then there's no defamation that's fundamentally a rap case they're hearing about, at th same time, that trump had lied

about stealing the election in the fox case which we didn't even talk abou but that case is going on at the same time with dominion. so everything is interrelated. and then we have the kind of what will happen with th georgia election case. that case is gonna be presente to the grand jury in may i most people expect - >> people are gonna hear about that so as much as i'm no overwhelmed with the new yor case, i do think it fits in to the overarching narrative, and i think it will almost get los when and if jack smith indites when it if any wilson indict and as these other cases g forward. >> let's talk about jack smith that's a big one, as a special prosecutor he's made progress. mike pence being able to testify will actually be new information. a lot of what jack smith i

investigating, we've heard fro the january six committee, o we've heard the other side o it this is gonna be interesting and new information. and then there are seven mor aides that he is going to hear from is that a fast process or a really slow process are we gonna see this before people have a chance to vote for donald trump >> oh i think we will. you know, jack smith was appointed in november. he, this thing has picked up speed. very quickly now, when it comes to thos aides testifying, some may tak the fifth. i mean if mark meadows is in any sense, he will be taking the fifth. i mean he is potentially a defendant. so it might not take as long a we think cuccinelli for example is part of those aides, he is ha already testified partially. so i do think it will go relatively quickly jack smith seems like a ma with a foot on the accelerator >> how big a deal is mik pence's testimony? mostly because it feels like some people who know mike penc that he was waiting for this t

happen he actually wants to testify he just didn't want to be th guy to not put all the brake on being able to testify -- >> well mike pence's ability t stand up for himself it's just in my opinion ridiculous the guy is just, just a meal mouth weren't, i can't stand him. all he does is pander to people so it wouldn't surprise me i he had 17 other motives. but he is gonna have to testif to the conversations that he had with the president some of which were witnessed b ivanka, partially. but the conversations were the president was pressuring him t violate the law, and try t stop the count, so that they could have judicial could wink and arizona and in georgia, an throw the whole election int question he's gonna have to testify t that, it he can, he thinks h can pander to the trum audience to try and win them down the road, because he pu

off for a little bit i don't think that's going anywhere but. >> do you have some sense that again, the january 6th of, w know so much about it. even in georgia, we know s much about that case, tell m what is going through fati wilson's mind right now? what is the thing in georgia that could or could not trigge and indictment >> oh i just think it's timing she had this special grand jury, which can indict the next graduations setup i in may it's a question of timing. i mean she seems to me like woman who has made up her mind and she knows exactly what she is doing, it is smart as a whip so she is making decisions about what the charges are an interesting question when i comes to charging a bi conspiracy is for example, how big you wanted to go the conspiracy in georgi included not just the phon calls that were so famous, but it goes down to the little things, were somebody relate to kanye west was pressuring a election worker.

so do you, do you want to do everything because then you have a jury that has to hear so much information? or do you want to contract it little bit to keep i manageable that is the type of decision you have to make, whether or not she's making a chargin decision, i believe she's made it it's a function of timing. >> thank you as always for you analysis a former federal prosecutor an msnbc legal analyst. a trove of classified u.s. intelligence documents hav surfaced on the internet concerning everything from - key u.s. allies, north korea's nuclear program, and even th war in ukraine coming up next, i'm gonna talk to the former -- john brennan about how far thi goes, what the implications ar for a country's national security plus, the biden administration recently released a report o its assessment on th afghanistan withdrawal in 2021 the lessons it learned from th bloody military exit, and on which administration it places play i'm sure you can take a wild guess. more velshi in a moment.

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are investigating how dozens o classified intelligenc documents wound up on th internet this past week. the documents appear to detail american national security secrets from our militar assistance in ukraine and nort korea's nuclear program in china in the middle east u.s. officials say they believ the eu leaked documents ar real, with respect to ukraine, what is pro stud onlin provides insights on the country's military strength, ukrainian casualties up to thi point, location of some troops and burn rate for long range rocket system provided t ukraine by the united states at the moment it is unclea who's responsible for the leaks, for more on, this let's brin in nbc's matt bradley who's in kyiv, ukraine. matt, good to see you ol friend some of these documents appear to be dated as recently as march 1st. what is your sense after havin looked into this about these materials? >> yeah i mean, the thing is

ali, as far as ukrainians ar concerned, this information is probably not all that damaging it's information they woul prefer wasn't out there, but it's not going to really affec operations on the ground you mentioned the burn rate fo the himars, some casualt numbers, which appear to hav been altered and some other details about the constitution of some of th fighting battalions in units here in ukraine. but really, those are things that aren't gonna have much of an effect. again, as you mentioned, thi is six weeks old a lot of this stuff has alread changed in the interim ukrainians are confident tha it sounds like this is actuall russian misinformation they have seen, they don't see all that rattled by it the real impact this is gonn have is going to be on the united states, and its intelligence gathering operations the trust that it is trying to build with the other fiv countries, the nations that ar a part of intelligence sharing communities throughout the world, the english speakin world. and ukrainians, the ukrainians themselves have been huddlin over the weekend, we disappear in kyiv, trying to determine what was leaked and if mor damage will be done. so for washington, when we

talked about, you know, some spying on south korea that was mentioned in these documents spying on israelis, somethin that came out in this document saying the massage agency wa trying to encourage people t protest during the protest last month in israel now that is something that massage, the israeli governmen has now forcefully denied. but really, this just goes t show how close the unite states is appearing, not jus into their own enemies operations, but into their allies that could have a major effect ali. >> thank you for sending thi up for us. matt bradley, live in kyiv ukraine. as matt mentioned, these leaks could go further from then ukraine, to give rare insigh into the inner workings of the intelligence community and the intelligence gathering apparatus. for a bit more of a taste of what's in these, like th washington post reports, among other secret, they appear to reveal where the cia has recruited human agents, priv to the closed-door conversations of world leaders eavesdropping that shows a russian mercenary outfit tryin to acquire weapons from a nato

ally to use against ukraine, and what kinds of satellit imagery the united states uses to track russian forces, including in advance technology that appears barely if ever, to have been publicly identified joining me now is john brandon and nbc national securit intelligence analyst more importantly, the former director of the cia, and forme united states homeland securit adviser. he's the author of the new yor times bestselling book undaunted, my fight agains americas enemies at home and abroad i should tell our viewers, w had you booked for another topic, which will discuss in a moment, the afghan pull out. but a senior officia intelligence official ha called this leak a quote nightmare for the five eyes. not just talked about the five eyes it's the five nations that broadly share intelligence u.s., britain, australia, ne zealand, and canada. what is your initial take on this news? >> well, clearly it's a very serious and worrisome breach i security, not just because o

what already has been pushed out on social media, but wha might also be coming out because whoever did this clearly had access as well a mile intent, in terms of its use of classified information, 200 to undermine u.s. an allied interests so it's a real concern, what i might do, as far a compromising u.s. networks in other types of things so, i do think the intelligenc makes such a critica difference on the battlefield, particularly in ukraine. having good intelligence o your adversaries - i think the eyes and partner of ours are concerned of wha it might do to damage u.s. intelligence capabilities. because they rely so heavily o it, because the cia and others are the most powerfu intelligence agencies in the world. >> let's talk a little about as matt said, some of the stuf is old it's march, but in intelligenc

circles, sometimes not as old. some of it is not stuff that would entirely surprise a lo of people. is the damage that it leaks, i the damage that it ruins the ability to gather more information? because people are worried about sharing information if there's a leak somewhere >> absolutely. what i think is happening righ now, first of all, is a damage assessment that's being done based on information, but also as you point out, we rely heavily o those individuals around the globe to provide assistance to us about what's going on i some of these areas of hostility, as well as around the globe. so they will be concerned that if they're sharing thi information, in a clandestin covert manner, what does i potentially do as far as their security is concerned? so this is the reason why th cia and others are just so concerned about how these leaks, however they're damaging, bu also because it can inhibit th

willingness of individuals around the globe to help us. >> what about the practica applications there's some reporting on fo instance, technical gatherin systems, satellite gathering systems as relates to the wa in ukraine i don't know if the russians knew that are not. but it is thought to not be as widely, is not widely held information. what does that do in terms o in a stalemate war like we hav in ukraine if the russians know o anything new intelligenc gathering systems, that they could now start to jam if they figured it out >> it's potentially very, very devastating. if in fact, what has bee released here, it's gonna give russians insight into how they can in fact protect agains u.s. intelligence capabilities whether it be on the ground, o in the air, or whatever. and so that is why i think wha they're doing right now is taking a hard look at what cam out, and to see whether they can preserve it. the ukrainian forces have done so well against the russians because of the tremendou support they've received fro

the united states and nato partners to includ intelligence support if that intelligence support and that pipeline is going t be cut off, or-limited, that could have a real effect on th ability of ukrainian forces to withstand this russian aggression that is taking plac on a daily basis >> director stick around wit me for a moment. after a quick break i want t talk to you about the ne report by the national securit council on americas withdrawal from afghanistan in 2021 we will be right back. ipan! [ laughs ] oh, my daughter gives the best hugs! we're just passing through on our way to the jazz jamboree. [ imitates trumpet playing ] and we wanted to thank america's number-one motorcycle insurer -for saving us money. -thank you. [ laughs ] mara, your parents are -- exactly like me? i know, right? well, cherish your friends and loved ones. let's roll, daddio! let's boogie-woogie!

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and what we've been seeing all day, our helicopter circling >> that was august 15th, 2021, the day the taliban began it takeover of kabul, the capital of pac constand. -- longest war in american history, the war in afghanistan are still with us. this desperate afghans clinging to in american plan as it takes off from kabul airport, falling to thei deaths, a suicide bombing that claimed the lives of 13 u.s. troops of more than 100 locals the struggle to evacuate american citizens, and afgha allies, including translators, before was too late to acces them on thursday, the vin administration released a much anticipated report on th withdrawal from afghanistan. well it does admit mistakes, made on the bide administration's part. the report places a great deal of blame at the feet of th trump administration 12-page review ordered b president biden outlines lessons learned from the blood withdrawal, which placed afghanistan right back into th hands of the taliban it points to the agreement tha the former president trump

reached with the taliban i doha, qatar in 2020. in which she committed the u.s of withdrawing all u.s. forces from afghanistan by may 2021 the report argues that tha agreement, with the taliban, -limited biden's options for the withdrawal the report goes on to say that biden inherited a situation in which the taliban were in th strongest military positio they had been in since 2001. and that there were no signs that more time, more fines, or more americans at risk i afghanistan would've yielded a fundamentally differen trajectory john brennan is back with, m former director of the cia and intelligence analyst director let's just start with the idea that the biden administratio says it had at least one hand, if not to tied behind its back because the trum administration committed t america, leaving afghanistan do you buy into this argument? >> well i do because trump administration made -- with the taliban which

committed the united states to departing by may but also, trump administration had brought down the troops to 2500, the lowest that had been there in many years. so therefore, the bide administration was faced with choice whether or not to withdraw those u.s. forces, or to change course which would have involved starting up th war with the taliban, as it wa pointed out there, the taliban was in the strongest positio they've been in years. so yes, the bide administration was given a poo hand, but it's also notabl that an operation of this size and magnitude was going to hav real challenges and problems and so, when they got to withdraw in august, a lot of that just came to th forefront. >> there are criticisms of the report, obviously, including jonathan schroeder, in a military operations analyst wh tweeted this, week it isn't an objective attack - to - summarize lessons learned. it's a political documen designed to deflect blame an

advance of a gathering storm o house gop hearings only ask you this, because you've held senior positions i the administration is that true because there is a storm of go hearings coming that will take everything that happened in, since the beginning of the biden administration, an examine it under a microscope. >> and i'm sure administration critics and congress will us this as a political football i order to try and tarnished the administration so let's face, the situation i afghanistan, it deteriorated far more rapidly than anybod anticipated. the afghan government an started to collapse, including the departure of president often ghani. once that happened, there wa this rolling momentum of peopl who wanted to depart so the united states was involved in a full retrograde, which is a withdrawal of all u.s. military personnel in afghanistan. at the same time was involve in india, a non-combatan

evacuation operation, not just of u.s. citizens, but also o afghan citizens, as well a allies and partners, in th third country national tryin to leave the magnitude of this wa unprecedented in history therefore, the biden administration was grappling with a rapidly deteriorating situation. they tried to do the best they can, and are there lessons w learn from this? absolutely but i think unfortunately, too many of these critics an congress are going to distor what actually happened here. but i think it goes back t what you said early on, that the trump administration basically handed over th situation to the biden administration the biden ministration tried t do the best they could but where the problems and challenges absolutely it's very tragic that the u.s. military personnel i afghanistan citizens wer killed during this departure process. but again, looking at the scal in magnitude of this, it's understandable that it didn' happen, or occur flawlessly.

>> that conversation richard engel were happening, that w played, that was august 15th o that year. it was two full weeks before the actual handover. because something had happened the taliban had gone to cabo faster than anybody though they would they had overcome resistance largely without any bullet fired in almost every province was that, what happened there? was that intelligence failure? or was this whole operatio just a logistics problem what was the problem that le to this not going more smoothly, even if you accept the fac that the biden administratio needed to carry this out what could've made that better in your opinion? >> well i think they could'v anticipated that this was goin to deteriorate rapidly and as a report pointed, out they needed to start to make these contingency plans fo these low probability, but hig impact developments, which i what happened there. i think again, the afgha security, the military, even intelligence forces started to collapse and then the senior government officials -- decided to leave, nobody in th

afghan government wanted t stay behind and be part of thi burning ship so there for the united states military give mohsen others, really had to scurry to try an deal with a fast escalatin deteriorating situation. which we were able to see, via the footage and commentary o richard engel and others which again, other - that report pointed, out wha they're doing now, in some other theaters, in order t anticipate a short deterioration of events that requires additional resources, additional efforts to ensure that things occur as smoothl and as best as they can. >> we were fortunate to have you on the show this morning we found to cover a lot of ground with human areas that you are an expert at so thank you for that. john brennan is a former director of the cia, msnbc senior national security and intelligence analysts. author of undaunted, my figh

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right here in new york city. two parents and four daughters the father is a doctor first to live in the dominican republic surrounded by aunts and uncles and cousins in community with tall, saf walls. they are able to trace their lineage all the way back to th kinky studios of spain and the after their father joins a

failed attempt to oust the dominican dictator raphael - they need to escape to the united states. unlike their community in th fdr, in new york the fou dodgers only have one another. and they face bullies wh taught them about thei identities with words they don't even understand. soon they assimilate and grasp american independents, both fo better and for worse they remain in between american and american, vic versa, trying to figure out ho a fractured identity can becom hole what i just described is a jus story of many immigrants who come to the city this particular plot is in fac fiction is the subject o today's velshi banned book club featuring hadley garcia girl lost their accents by julia alvarez the book is written in reverse chronological order, from 1989 backwards to 1950. 68 is 15 interconnected shor stories. in the book, alvarez has created no true linear plot. masterfully mirroring th

garcias girls own instabilit and impermanence throughout th book although each of the stories focuses on one of the four granddaughters, with the garci family as a whole, yolanda leave her daughter i ultimately the central focus and is our protectionist in a matter of pages, th garcia girls go from praying for their swift return to th dominican republic to bein sense there as punishment fo being rebellious teenagers here, alvarez flawlessly interweaves the tensions between the american teenage and her parents with accomplic tensions between a dominican american teenager in her immigrant parents. part coming of age story, part historical fiction how the garcia girls lost thei accents explores themes of identity, assimilation famil and memory it is an immigrant story and i also deals with both women's sexual awakening, and sexual assault. with a gentle nuance and frank real-ism those two themes have led to numerous calls for a removal since the books publication in

the early 1990s. one attempted banned by parent in a johnston count north carolina school prompted the national coalition against censorship which is a nonprofi the defense freedom of fre expression, to post a letter arguing in favor of keeping th book on library shelves. running in, part quote, th sexual content and themes an how the garcia girls lost thei accents represents essential parts of the novel consistent with the kind o material that high schoo students frequently read if students were precluded fro reading literature which sexua content they would be deprived of exposure to vast amounts of important material, includin shakespeare. major religious tech such as the bible, the works of tolsto and flaubert and joyce and quote. i could read this letter for any number of, books by the way, that we feature on the velsh banned book club we see time and time again tha books portraying female sexual agency or sexual assault d entirely different in a very real experiences are so ofte

deemed unacceptable, inappropriate, and then take off shelves. but to condemn a book that has so much to offer any reader, and one that shows with th american dream truly looks like, depicts what it means to be an immigrant and part of a family and to grow up as a woman, jus because it might fee uncomfortable for some readers that is just wrong no one is protected when books like how the garcia girls lost their accents gets banned. i am joined now by julia alvarez, they were subpoenae the national medal of arts fro then president barack obama, and author of today's velshi banned book club, how th garcia girls lost thei accents. welcome, julia thank you for joining us >> thank, you ali. so much. and for that introduction, you make me want to read the book! >> that's the, point we want everybody to that let's start with chapte one. yolanda visits the dominican republic and tries to reclai her roots. she gets a flat tire while gathering guava's in the

countryside. the book is so picturesque and textured then two men approaches her an she begins to speak english an immediately tells them that sh is american. tell me why you set that seein for the rest of the book wit this story >> well, i have not though about that scene in a while bu i was thinking about the way in which when you are an immigrant you are this hybri person you are american, usa american because we are all americans i this hemisphere. that gives you a certain amoun of protection in other countries. or so yolanda thinks and so when she is terrified being a woman and being alone, because that is another them in the book, it is immigration and life in a female body. she responds to that defense she figures if she pretend that she does not speak spanis and she is only her american self, then she will be safe.

so it shows as you said th nuance in what it means to b an immigrant there is not a clear guideline there is not a right way o wrong way. it is a constant fluctuating and complex the situation that you find yourself in >> it is not even comple between different people o between different people in th family it is complex within one individual on an ongoing basis which is something you capture well in the book i came out of it thinking a lo about this concept of bein sheltered. the garcia girls are literally sheltered in the dominican republic by the walls of the company which they live. the amount of family surrounding them, they confine of the island. and then a new york city, that all goes away. let's talk about leader kazumi between their upbringing in th dominican republic in thei life in new york city. >> well as they come to th united states and it is th united states of the 60s, th civil rights movement just

getting started. and they at first resisted wan to go back to, as they say open occasionally little bir has stay there so long it does not know what to do. so he does not want to com out. but once they feel this freedo to explore, that complexit that we have been talking about, they just lie and this is situation of often with firs interaction and second generation immigrant families, that the parents are still par of the old world there is a way in which they don't assimilate, and the ne generations become part of the new culture and that causes al kinds of divisions for the family and within th garcia girls, because they fee that poll. so i wanted to capture and not a straightforward, they come and it is the american dream and everything goes fine because that is not true >> right >> and kids reading these, books immigrant kids, kids tha have been here all their lives

to understand that complexit is important so that they feel that there i not a right in a wrong way t be that it is a process >> it is a process that is complex, and when she work i all out evolves into whateve your identity is and ultimately, how the garcia girls lost their accents is story about identity, which is illustrated in the man nicknames that yolanda goes by joe, - yo yo and yo when she says quote, i would never find somebody woul understand my particular mix o catholicism and agnosticism, hispanic and american styles and quote. tell us about this it is again part and parcel of what you are doing, but yoland in one character is multiple identities >> well, and i think that is true for all of us we carry many cells around and if you say this is a novel about identity, identity is no a done deal. here i am, here at 73 years old,

and i am reinventing myself as an elder what is my identity? what is my work in the world it is an ongoing process, an you know what i do, ali, when -- am negotiating it i go to, books alread novels with older protagonists i want to see films an understand this landscape so that i can find my way through it and this is why books are so important to us. especially to our young people who are doing that in no way consciously for the first time as adolescents finding themselves trying to figure out who the are. >> this is amazing, becaus that is something that so many of our authors who are members of the banned book club say to us that is the greatest reward fo one of these authors is no making a bestsellers list or the money that actually doesn' typically come from being an author it is the idea that somebody wrote to them and said, i sa

myself in your book or i saw something about myself, or i saw a way of articulating th struggles through which navigated in your book that tends to be the thing mos authors tell me is the mos gratifying >> exactly it is interesting that you say that, because i pull this ou right before coming on jus this january i get a two page typed letter, and i'm not going to say the name because i do not have permission but it is from a student, an she is in middle school and sh red garcia girls and she said basically m family has shared a lot of the issues with the garcia family, including a struggle wit domestic violence. the way you wrote sparke memories that i have not thought about in a long time it felt too familiar my heart pounded in my throa catching anxiety made me cry a bit, as i read and re-read it. i was painfully reminded of th long conversations with my mom after conflicts with my father

however, i came to the realization that the reason -- and my father acted the way he did was out of insecurity. this is a 13, 14 year old girl you know and you can go to therapy for lifetime to get this kind of bringing i home and i'm sure she has read othe books, about conflicts with he father but because she wrote t me, and she saw it play out, she made a leap and it lit u her world. she understood and that, i don't want to soun like i don't appreciate al kinds of readers and all kinds of affirmations, but that trul hits home, that is me at her age. but i did not have garcia girl to read. >> that is exactly what so man of our authors say they almost write it for their

own younger selves i want to read a small part of a new york times review from back in 2018 quote, i must have rea hundreds of books but i neve encountered any character like me dominican, nerdy, an immigrant whose first language was spanish. by the time i found alvarez' debut novel, how the garci girls lost their accents, i've already resigned myself to using books as windows rathe than mirrors and quote. i think that is really powerful their keys after publishin this book in 1991, your writin still is to some people th first representation that they will find of themselves. mirror, not window >> what a beautiful -- i have to steal that a window, a mirror not a window that is so heartening. i wish it weren't so but you are doing the job of keeping those books up there so there will be those books available that are pulled of the shelves.

because people are afraid of anything that is going to be disturbing or i guess othe than what they want in their bubble we should go back to the dictatorship that we came from >> exactly, you want democracy and freedom in plurality and pluralism? this is what you, get you read books. julia, thank you so much for all that you have done and for this remarkable look at all of your work. julie alvarez is the author of how the garcia girls lost thei accents. >> thank you so much >> i want to watch that again. that does it for me. thank you for. watching kashmir every saturda and sunday morning from 10 a to noon eastern. stay right with me inside with jen psaki begins right now. >> it has been a head spinning and historic week in america the former president arreste and arraigned. the stunning expulsion of tw lawmakers in tennessee and late friday, a ruling on the portion pill that coul have enormous implications for women al