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politicsnation tonight's lead, a dangerou precedent. robert right now, the eyes o the nation are on tennessee, o the eve of a vote that may reinstate one of the two democrats expelled from thei seats in the state house las week and tomorrow, a county counselor in nashville wil vote on the next step for on of those vacancies a majority of its members on record saying they will vote t reinstate former state representative justin jones, along with justin pearson, was voted out by republica

legislators for protesting gun violence on the state hous floor earlier this month the first time in tennesse history that house members hav been expelled for chamber rule violations we will hear from jones in jus a moment here. just as we heard last nigh from tennessee state representative - johnson, a white democrat wh narrowly escaped her own expulsion. and she pulled no punches in our assessment of why her tw male colleagues did not. of course, along with th racial overtones of thes exposures, which wil definitely get into, it also i a signal being sent by the tennessee gop on where the would like to see our democrac ahead. and as gop dominated slick day legislatures are increasingl empowered, to remove publi officials they disagree with o

cannot control what can washington and th biden administration do to intervene? just a few hours ago, i spok with the expelled tennesse state representative justi jones. take a listen. >> tennessee state representative justin jones, thank you for joining me today mr. jones, as i mentioned at the top of the show, the nashville metropolitan counselor is slated to vot tomorrow on a replacement fo your seat. 23 of the council, 39 members, have confirmed with nbc news o are on social media that the will vote to reinstate you t the tennessee stat legislature. so it appears he will be bac at work by tomorrow night as the state house gambles back into suggestion at 6 pm easter time that said, i would like to

first are by giving yo reaction to food where do you go of tomorrow' for whatever reason, not i your favor >> yes thank you so much reverend sharpton i'm actually here in my home church actually just got out of service. what the republicans attempted to do here in tennessee wa crucified democracy. and instead what they have don is resurrected movement led by a multi ration coalition of -- transformer state and in doing so transform the nation. the expulsion looks at a ver days dress precedent it is extreme, it reminds us o days in our history we don't want to go back to and it was really an assault o the very definition of our future that these young people are pushing for, a future free from these mass shootings, a future free from the terror of wrapped pins in our street one thing i want to clarify is that this council voting tomorrow, the speaker -- must remain vigilant it is not about me, is about the 70,000 people in our

district who don't have representative right now we are serving as that representative of exile, the people in my district did no have a vote on the house floor right now, they don't have a member - they shut outs my health care, they shut off my i.d. badge, access to the building immediately after the vote we are here trying to serve ou constituents, the people who are doing so as the government is an exile. >> now, enough to expel you colleague, white democratic -- gloria johnson failed, by just one vote she said sarcastically that it was the color of her skin that saved her. she said a whole lot more than that on this very show las night. watch this >> the reality is that i wasn't just a few weeks ag that i was sitting in committe and the republicans had a bill to bring back the firing squad and bring back the electri chair and one of the membe said, i don't really like this bill and i think we should brin

back hanging by a tree we all know exactly what tha is we have heard comments about m black colleagues and jokes about fried chicken. you know, these things come up and it is not -- it happens regularly in ou legislature. >> what is your reaction t what you just heard, mr. johns and how significant was it t have a white colleague in this fight? one of the things that i spoke to her about and you and i hav talked about by phone is how this is interracial an intergenerational. this fight that has rallie around what is happening i tennessee. >> definitely. we are building a multi racial fusion, we are in the midst of a -- hopefully will will have national implications. what it means is that this white supremacist system being led by speaker cameron sexto is attempting to divid

congress, in reality you see - stand together, because they - was to expel the two younges black lawmakers, their attac on democracy hurts all of us whether you are black, brown or white, it is this assault o all of us. that is the thing, when we are expelled, there were thousands of people from all across th state in rural county an neighboring counties, black an white, of all ages standing at the capitol saying, we will no allow this to happen -- our democracy is too important to let this pass this extrem azure that will help set a precedent for the future har us all so having -- she has always stood with us when i was an activist in 2020 -- stuck comes down with us she stood with us on that hous for that day we were set to protest the lives of our young people wh are being terrorized by this weapons on our street. she's calling for an end t this public -- in a state that seems to worship guns over the wise o these babies and so, when we stand with gloria, we stand united. no type of system of divide an

conquer will work anymore. because we the people ar awakened like i said, we ar resurrecting a reconstructio right here in nashville. and that is not stopping >> now, all of this is happening in the wake of the nashville school shooting. it left six people dead. and you and representative pearson and johnson took to th floor, the republica controlled tennessee house chamber, to rally for stricter gun control. you said that you and your participation in the protest amounted to standing up fo young people and others. many of whom can't vote. they can't even vote yet but they are terrified by mass shootings plaguing our state and our nation of what we just saw, in your case, mr. jones, how d democrats in the state level especially in a gop dominate state like yours, fight fo stricter gun and safety laws and when >> well, the reality is th majority of tennesseeans are supporting this common sense gun loss like red flag laws,

universal background checks, a ban on assault weapons i was just watching th committee last week, the education committee, which i was removed from, one of the members of the extremist i that committee, they passed lot to let teachers carry guns in schools the majority of white -- they're resisting this bill. and so the majority of tennesseeans are on our side but we had a small group o extremists who have hijacked o legislature, we are beholden t the nra, we are beholden to th dca firearms association they are letting their own people died. the shooting comment was at private christian school and these babies, they could b their children but they put the lives and the money, the lives of thei children below the money of th nra. that is what we are dealin with it is really this undemocratic system, they won't even let us talk about the issue of guns after shooting occurs. -- nashville. our communities are mourning they are traumatized their first responses to pass resolution to expel thei colleagues rather than pas common sense gun laws.

we need -- in tennessee >> now the republican effort t remove you in the othe democratic state representativ in tennessee has caugh national attention for its brazenness and unprecedented use of power in an america state house. vice president kamala harris who you met with on friday at historically black college fisk you never city, and she will be speaking, as you know, -- in contrast to the nra's convention for polar opposites of the spectrum, she was speaking there later this week she is criticizing the expulsions as being at odd with our democracy president biden spoke with you via conference call just befor that he called the expulsion votes quote, undemocratic an un-precedent and attack. still, republicans have legislative supermajority in tennessee. one of several states where th

gop has a veto proof majority. what does that say about the direction that tennessee and red states overall are heade in, and what would you want to see from the white house t stop it? >> well, reverend sharpton, th truth is tennessee is not a re state. it is a state that is bein re-manipulated by -- voting tennessee because the - gerrymandered districts. then we have some the most extreme voter suppression laws in the nation. i would dare say that' tennessee is the mos undemocratic state in th nation so this type of plantation politics that, my colleagues i the general assembly, under th leadership of congressma sexton has silenced the vote of democracy what we are seeing is that these young people are really, during this new force, this ne pressure that i believe will restore some type of democracy and some type of multi racia democracy in this state. -- it's about the movement. they will silence the youn

people but what it has done i galvanized than. so in fact, what they mean for evil is that god is using fo good we are not afraid, we believ that tennessee is going to shock the nation these on people continue t organize for the their lives and they will have other repercussions in our state tha will be a reckoning for thes extremists who are trying to bring us back to the days of the -- days in which people like me could not even walk throug that chamber as representative, because we wer refused to go back silently. we refused to go down. and it was the greatest thin that we saw in our hearing they were so fragile, thei power so we can fragile that just two members speaking fo 70,000 constituents each was threatening to them. -- we cut off our microphones, we bring a megaphone. we push our people to the back we will walk up to the well. that is what made them afraid. and that is why we said we hav to expel them. but what they have done is put a spotlight on tennessee and on their shameful-ness and this nation in the world are watching it will not continue to happen unchallenged >> thank you for being with us this evening on easter sunday.

thank you from your church thank you, tennessee state rep justin jones >> thank you, happ resurrection day >> have the right destructio day to you >> joining me now is congressman steve jasmin democrat - and chair of the congressional black caucus congressman osmond, thank yo for being with us on thi easter day i have to start, a course, wit your reaction to the tennessee house expelling two blac democrats, and what you just heard from one of them, former state representative justi jones. your thoughts, congressman >> well, thank you very much reverend al. and happy easter to everyone i am so incredibly proud o representative joe's representative pierson and the movement that they are leading in tennessee what is so incredible is

exactly as he said, because peaceful protest which under the law is his fundamental constitutional right under the first amendment as an electe official, he was speaking on behalf of the survival, th very survival of his constituents on whether or not they would be dead or alive. the maga republicans leading the tennessee legislature want to talk about the decorum. what about the decorum of si dead people, three dea children, nine years old what about the decorum o constituents who are petitioning their government t redress around gun safet legislation? i think representative jones and representative spiri pierson speak for so many othe young leaders and whether they are elected leaders or community leaders who want t see fundamental change, an that congressional back caucus stance with them we are demanding that the loca officials read deport them t

their duly elected positions this week. >> now, as you just heard me say to mr. jones, it started i large part over the school shooting last month in nashville that killed si people, including thre children it was that tragedy that jones pierson and johnson were protesting against on the stat house floor, as the federa debate over gun contro continues. i understand that anothe demonstration like this, gun violence by a black democratic lawmaker, has been on your mind could you elaborate? >> well, it does not fal silent on me that it was congressman john lewis who led a peaceful protest on the floo of the u.s. capitol. he literally knelt along wit colleagues to call for actio on gun safety reform, becaus of the inaction by republicans

who are standing for the gun law -- lobby instead of representin gun safety for their constituents and so whether it is congressman john lewis, adam clinton powell, julian byrne colin kaepernick or others, th fact of the matter is, whether we take any, whether we raise salute, whether we sign petition or take a bull horn the other side wants to punish us they want to try to silence us but we won't be silenced in fact, black people are goin to save this democracy because no one else will and i am so proud of these young people for doing their part and we will stand with the every step of the way unti they are restored to their positions, and we work wit them to accomplish their legislative goals. >> and i think in my conversation with them, it not only restore their positions but do something about the gun laws i think they bravely said that

it is not just about them. but let's do something about why they are protesting. while we are on the federa response to what happened in tennessee, i have to bring u vice president kamala harris so often, the target o criticism, on both sides of th aisle. yet in her response to the expulsion votes of the tennessee three, politicos reporting debate that harris was so adamant that she should move quickly to support th lawmakers that she and her staff planned to surprise -- over just a few hours that morning. things moved so quickly she ha to take the smallest plane allowed for the vice presidential travel. now, what do you take from the vice president's swift action? and in her message this weekend, she has been, in my opinion the, target of many unfair attacks. -- convention, we did the tyr nichols funeral. she came

she came to buffalo after th massacre what do you make of thes reports that, as she just took the bull by the horns, so to speak, and said i am glad to stand up on this with thes young people in tennessee? >> vice president show tremendous leadership. look, she just got back from a international trip to africa she was working to improve our international affairs there. and she understood this moment she understood the attack on democracy. she understands that it wa those parents who needed to be consulted and comforted, who lost their children, who neede to see a leader. and leadership is showing up and i commend her for what she is doing and you also noted, as you sai in tennessee, we are not onl dealing with gun safety, we ar dealing with public safety so - by guns, by police brutality by the very economic condition

we are living in and that is what representativ jones and representative pierson are speaking about and that the young people ar demanding not only in tennesse but all across the country and i want them to know that the congressional back caucu stands with you. we have 58 members from across this country, we embody th spirit that you embody and we will move these issue forward. on policing, gun safety and on economic opportunity for the black community and for al communities in this country. >> a lot of us spent a lot o time in tennessee, because the trials of those policeman of tyre nichols is getting read to come up his parents will be with u this week as well. let's get to friday's -- ruling the abortion pill ruling, should say it is perhaps the biggest blow to reproductive rights since the overturn of roe v. wad last summer.

a trump appointed judge ha ordered the fda to suspend its approval for a key abortio bill the biden administration has seven days to appeal the decision many experts already say tha roe's reversal has disproportionately affecte black women, especially in southern states where strict bans are in place. now you have another court decision jeopardizing blac women and their access to safe medical nationwide as cbc chair, how is the caucu proceeding on this issue after last week's ruling >> well, thank you reverend al in fact, i just touch base wit congresswoman marvin lee who i co-chair of the pro-choice caucus and who is the leader within the congressional black caucus around protecting women's fundamental right to make their own health care decisions about their body what the courts are doing is

wrong. what the u.s. supreme court di to strike down protections under roe v. wade is wrong and it is why we need congress to act in order to codify thes protections. you know, reverend al, without federal action on voting rights, on women's rights, on civi rights, own housing rights, th courts can do just about anything to us and with this ideologicall driven supreme court and federal judges that were staffed by donald trump, tha is exactly what they are doing they're coming after our right and we have to protect all o our rights, for women, fou [interpreter and -- four communities of color that are marginalized and under assault. >> representative stephen -- thank you for mr. chairman for being with me on easter sunday after the break, politic fireworks in tennessee but where many c.k. -- i see hope for the future. i will explain in this week'

rise up. first my colleague richard lui with today's top news stories. richard. >> rev, very good easter t you. tensions are high in the middl east a rare convergence of easter passover and ramadan jerusalem is on high alert after police raids at the elli saw a mosque this week set off an exchange retaliatory rocket attack - israeli airstrikes the text now reaching a brin syria with israel bombin targets there this morning union workers in the country's second largest school district of a new labor deal, after a three-day strike in march th los angeles agreement includes a 30% pay raise for many essential employees, and 100 dollar bonus for those who worked during the pandemic i don't approval from the boar of education could come late this month and gulf great tiger woods - this morning just 90 minutes before the third round was set to begin woods is still suffering fro the effects of a 2021 auto

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two young black tennessee stat lawmakers who were expelle from their seats last week, find myself wondering what i is about these men that evokes such animosity from thei republican colleagues. obviously race plays a major role in our formerly segregate state like tennessee, where ma qian luther king junior wa assassinated 55 years ago this month. but it seems to me that age is also a significant fact. representatives justin jones and justin pearson are 27 an 28 years old, respectively they are serving in legislative body where the

average age is 57. it is easy to see how th raised voices of you can b used as viewed as a threat b an aging group of lawmaker fixated on turning back th clock. in their passion for addressin america's gun crisis representatives jones an pearson are walking the same path as the pac man school activist, sam fuentes, x gonzalez and david hawk an others, who are also in thei twenties now their commitment to public service gives their common cause of maxwell frost, th 26-year-old first gen z member of congress. his uncompromising vision fo congress is shared by a comi activist greta thunberg who, just turned 20 and these two lawmakers ar inspiring other black youth to get motivated and involved much like yolanda rené king wh

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politicsnation let's turn to my panel april ryan, white house bureau chief at thegrio, and brand-new miss msnbc contributor. welcome to the team, april and katie brenna, justic reporter for the new york times. let's talk about forme president donald trump who tweeted not guilty last week t 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in the firs degree before and after his arraignment, trump has lashe out at the judge in this cas and manhattan da alvin bragg but now that the media circu is over, trump will have t adjust to a new reality. april, you had a front row sea too much of the trum presidency how do you expect he will deal

with the reality of a criminal indictment hanging over hi head >> first of all, donald trum is a man who believes still in his -- even as he is indicted, an pleaded not guilty but who does this? who puts out statements agains a judge after you have bee indicted who does this to the prosecuto that is prosecuting you? who does this to the georgia prosecutor who is looking at possible indictments of donald trump? donald trump that is who does it. donald trump, from what i have seen over those four years covering him, maybe five or so maybe even six now, he is th type of person who continues t push the envelope further an further if he is not checked and the problem is for so many he keeps pushing the envelop even al. the question is why does he do it and there have been some who

said that he is booking th rule of law continuously because he has never bee checked. and you know, his a.g. barr is absolutely right this is not a wise move in the at this moment, as republicans are trying to downplay the severity of these felony counts >> katie, some skeptics from both sides of the politica spectrum argue that the felony portion of the bragg case is built on shaky and unteste legal reasoning. and it will need ironclad as evidence to prove -- some claim the da -- what is your assessment of the case against trump >> i think that this is pretty straightforward case fo the da's office. i think this is the kind o case they will bring often kind of falsified records of indictment i think what we are seeing here though, because this is a kingston - picture so high, it there is a lot of scrutiny on the evidenc in the case. and of course, this is all jus

speculation. we will not know what it i going to happen in front of th jury, and if the jury believes until this case goes to trial, which it may or may not. we don't know what could happe -- when donald trump's acts t finally appear in court. there is going to be a lot o briefing that goes back an forth before the judge, and lot of evidence that needs t change hands between the prosecutors in the case in the defense lawyers. that is the first thing i woul say. the second is, as april ha pointed out, this idea o tracking donald trump, the judge, we don't know what will happen if trump continues to speak on what he has in this case the judge has the option o issuing a gag order if he feel trump statements are making it impossible for a fair trial to happen and that would also be like, s many things of this case totally unprecedented. keep in mind, donald trump i in the midst of a presidential campaign we have not seen anything like this before where candidat could be backed by a judge unable to speak about a case all he is stumping across th country. >> very interesting if he keep

talking and the judge is force to do something like a gag order or almost that far you are right, we haven't even gotten to the discovery part we don't know that the evidenc to back up these charges tha the da has, so people will tal about whether it is weak, like they have read the case. the only know the indictment they don't know the documented evidence april, let's go to this pro -- published, - luxury vacations taken b supreme court justice clarence thomas over decades, decades all paid for by billionair republican donor thomas has had numerou scandals over the years, fro sexual harassment allegation and his confirmation all the way to his wife's involvemen in the lead up to the januar 6th insurrection is anything different abou this latest controversy? >> well this, latest convert

traversing, one way -- january 6th, this is directl with the supreme court justice sitting supreme court justic who is friends with th billionaire who, his company has [interpreter -- on certain issues that are meant to influence decisions he is clothes, if you will with the current u.s. suprem court justice. and right now the justic system, the third branch o government, does not hav ethics rules and here is the big issue. if you are looking into slap clarence thomas on the hea with an impeachment, aoc i talking about it, but you have a republican-led house and i looks like it may not happen >> yeah. and it is interesting becaus the -- reported, in the reports today he is a collector of naz items. i don't know if we can rea into that but he has a

extensive -- >> - >> katy justice -- calling the trump's personal hospitality. he says they did not need to b disclosed at the time. none of this looks good fo justice thomas, but it is ther anything illegal here? >> no. because the rules currentl governing gifts are pretty fuzzy. the justices are supposed to report gifts that are received but there is an exception made for once from close -- he is a close friend of th family so i think what we see, here w see two things one, as april said, there is a lot of gray area so the question is, will there be any - rules for supreme cour justices and gifts and disclosure second thing is it is reminder of why th presidential election is s important. once something like a suprem court justices appointed and confirmed, it is in theory impossible for that person t be removed the idea of impeachment is s

farfetched in this type of partisan age there would not be the votes you would not see a support. so again, reminds us of wh these elections, especially th presidential election, becomes a high stakes. >> april ryan, katie benner, thank you both for being wit me on this easter. still ahead, don't film star stormy daniels has been th target of sexist attacks fro former president trump but our next guest says she is responding by doing somethin most women in political se scandals never do. we will tell you about it next ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ [♪♪] if you have diabetes, the joy of movement. it's important to have confidence in the nutritional drink you choose. try boost glucose control®. it's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels

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politicsnation it hasn't even been a year since the supreme cour overturned roe v. wade and friday we saw yet anothe significant rollback t reproductive rights nationwide a trump-appointed federal judg in texas has ordered the fda t suspend its approval of a ke abortion pill. the biden administration i planning to appeal the rulin and the political battle lines over abortion are being draw yet again. joining me now is -- ceo and cofounder of all i together lauren,,, let's talk about wha a blow this latest court rulin

is to women seeking to mak their own reproductive decisions. after the dobbs decision, on of the - biden administration was t make this abortion pill an others more freely available even by mail now the option is about to b taken away in middle of days for all women everywhere what happened to the conservatives who claime people and liberal states ha nothing to worry about after the reversal of roe v. wade? >> absolutely everything about this decision is infuriating o every level. because of course the premis of the reversal of roe - is that it should return abortion to the democratic process. and of fact what has happene is we are seeing abortio rights being stripped from a completely undemocrati process. not only are we seeing state where a majority of american in those states and nationwide don't want to see additional restrictions getting pas against the will of the people then you have a single trump

appointed judge, 1:45-year-old man, who is making a decision, a very ideological decision, i you read the way he writes the decision, on behalf of million of women and not only is he rolling bac the health care access for millions, he is also undermining the federal agency of the food and drug administration, which has fo decades, had the authority t make decisions about what is and is not staff the ruling in the way it i written is totally ideological everything about this is broken and by the way, chaos that thi is injecting into american lif is just incalculable >> the biden administratio plans to challenge the rulin out of texas and the man i likely headed to the supreme court where conservatives have a commanding majority. some democrats are calling o the president to divide th ruling in the meantime and use their executive powers to protect drones of the drug' availability, even before th case is hurt by the court of

appeals. that seems like a hardball tactic republican presidents like proned trump would have had no problem using that should democrats considerate >> i don't think there's any question that they should. i think everything has to be o the table because this rulin is so fundamentally dangerous. not just for abortion access but for everything if you can have one judge make decisions about what medicatio is available to tens o millions of americans, where's the limit? so i think there's a lot o concern about the supreme cour on this. the way that he wrote the case is so poorly executed. , citing the construct dot which is an anti-bias bill tha was passed, by the way, 70 years before women at the righ to vote. i mean, it is so outrageous. the rationale is terrible. it is just bad law so there is a chance that it could actually be overruled at the supreme court. but in any case, the biden administration has not legatio to fight this tooth and nail i think they are going to. i know the voters want to se that we have overwhelming majorit

of americans who want to see abortion access protected. >> abortion appears to be mobilizing topic for democrats in the midterms. but voter fatigue with the issue is always a concern. especially when the suprem court is back with conservatives. how do we keep voters from losing hope? >> i actually don't think that this is a winning issue. if you look at the turnout i wisconsin and the mobilization not just of women and protes voters but of young people, my view is that that 2024 electio run-ing on to issue. gun control and abortion rights those will be the galvanizin issues as we saw in tennessee, even talking about all our, where our rights are under attack, where americans feel that ther is, they are going back in time, they are highly motivated. so i really don't buy th narrative that says that thi is not a galvanizing issue i think it is. it will remain so. women are the majority of th electorate black women are fundamental to our functioning democracy. these are constituents who sho

up >> let's switch gears now to the indictment of donald trump a lot of attention has bee focused on the former presiden and the circus around hi arraignment last week. you recently wrote about the woman at the center of the case, adult film star stormy daniels in politico, you see daniels quote, refused to do what wome involved in political se scandals have done so often. stay silent. unquote. why is this so important tha she remained vocal >> oh, i think you look back a the history of other high-profile scandals from madonna rights and gary hart t monica lewinsky and bill clinton, the women have been raked over the coals by th media and they have been treated, frankly, abominably most of them wound up bein silent john rice didn't speak for three years in public after th gary heart incident. ten years for monica whiskey these were women who are reall silenced because they ha nothing to gain by speakin out. and i think what is importan about stormy daniels, she is self serving in many ways, she

is profiting off of this selling march on her website but fundamentally, she has refused to be silenced the entire indictment really i about a whole group of powerfu men trying to keep her fro speaking and a refusal to do that >> and to protect thei political position i don't think they would try t do anything according to wha i'm seeing on the indictment if he wasn't running for president. >> right that is why it is so incredibl important. this isn't just about a se scandal. it is not just about his personal life. this is about trying to duke the american people into believing that he is someone h is not if you look at the sort of post weinstein, me too movement, these are really damning characteristics. american voters should have ha the opportunity to know who wa fully, to see the evidence and hear from her. >> that's right. lauren leader, thank you for being with us on - up next, my final thoughts stay with us (wheezing)

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