this was a very interestingl time, so it's a impeccably time i interviewed him on the thursday, and apart from the mistakes he confessed to and created later, we found some mistakes in his reporting, pretty big ones he pretended were minor the big issue was he won't criticize musk, that is on thursday on friday, it turns out musk's twitter is blocking access o links to sub stat, which mat tybee uses matt tidy tweets, well i'm gonna go to substack and stuff going on twitter that's on friday, on saturda elon musk seeking, what matt tabby said is false, and eve must stop following met tybee. which is a hilarious sequenc of events, because almos trumpian isn't it loss of people will throw themselves, people that ar present for trump, he doesn' carry throws them under th bus. mosque very similar, they ar just people who are willing to sacrifice their reputations fo

elon mosque matt tabbi, once th scourge of billionaires, wil not scores his billionaire i needed her access, and the the billion herschel frozen on of the bus and it is just bizarre and sad, and i think, let's se what happens next? definitely trouble and spare ice between mosque and >> inside, i think it is ver appropriate to see what is happening, not just in the las couple of days, but over the last months and. years always great to see you, great interview, great work it always enjoy the rest your evenin off. coming up on ayman, donald trump and his fellow republicans understand how democracy works? the events of this past week would suggest no, and ho voters are reacting coul signal a major shift ahead o 2024 mike pence hands jack smith remarkable opportunity b agreeing to testify in the special counsel's 2020 electio probe. what it could mean for the former president and congressman ro khanna from the house oversight committee'

here joining us live, hi republican colleagues are bein accused of intentionally misrepresenting thei investigation into the biden family we're going to get his insight on that and much more, on beautiful median let's get started. >> donald trump made his first appearance out of a courtroo on tuesday, it was als probably the first time he found himself responding t orders instead of actually giving them. for decades, the real estate tycoon answer to one man, an one man only himself. as washington post philip bump put, it trump quote, wasn' geopolitical terms, an autocrat as head of the

power. as a result, thousands o tennesseeans are now without representation, here is what jones had to say it head of hi expulsion on thursday. >> the world is watching

tennessee. the world is watchin tennessee. what is happening here today i a farce of democracy this is a historic day for tennessee, but it may mark a very dark day for tennessee, because it will signal to th nation that there is n democracy in this state. it will signal to the nation that if it can happen here i tennessee it is coming to your state next >> it is coming to your stat next jones's claim is not hyperbolic according to research from university of washington political science professor, jake ron back, tennessee is th least democratic state in th entire country that is thanks to its egregiou pars gerrymandering about th state and federal level. research from the princeto gerrymandering project shows that there is not a single competitive seat in the stat senate, meaning that republicans heavy near

guaranteed super, supe majority in the upper chamber. but tennessee of course is not alone, all you have to do is look at wisconsin, which i commonly referred to as th most gerrymandered state in th country. despite that, this week it was the site of a rare win for democracy. on tuesday, judge janet porter say what scored an 11 poin victory over conservative judg dan kelly. kelley appears to be no fan of democracies himself, in fact h advise republican part officials on a fake electors plan after the 2010 election this wind gives the liberals the first majority in th states highest court in 15 years, and with that power, th court could handle major relay on important issues, abortion, voting rights, and yes, even gerrymandering as the atlantic's adam serwe put it, it could return to wisconsin something it's legislative elections haven' had in years democracy.

joining me now to discuss this wisconsin secretary sara godlewski. secretary of state, thank yo so much for making time for us tonight. i want to first talk to yo about the events unfolding in different state, that in tennessee, and just get your thoughts on that broadly speaking thousands of constituents ar now without representation that does not seem to be out o the republican party is this how a party in power i supposed to act? what do you think of these republican lawmakers, and thei actions and what they say abou the state of democracy not just in tennessee, but our country as a whole >> it is horrifying what we ar seeing in tennessee, but whe you boil it all down, it is no about policies, it is a vote this super power grab that republicans are using in, an working to further continue to strengthen because they do not want the will of the people to succeed. and when you are looking a

tennessee, we know a majorit of americans want common sense constituency legislation how do they stop that? they stopped that by pulling away legislatures who ca actually have a voice in this, and start working toward making a difference, and we sa the same thing in wisconsin. republicans lost control of ou executive branch in 2018, what did they do? they literally had a lame dock where they tried to take awa power from the governor, attorney general, and othe statewide elected offices. this is what they do, they try to have a power grab >> you know, as i mentioned, your state was a sight of rare win for democracy thi week in all of the various places where democracy is bein rolled in america. however, you have republican lawmakers in your state alread eyeing a possible impeachmen against judge portis see what' after they won a supermajority in the state senate. are you concerned about that do you believe an election

immediately followed by threat of impeachments is a sign of a healthy democracy in wisconsin >> no, and what though i a hopeful of, oh i want to point out is that on tuesday wisconsinites said enough with the attack on democracy. we saw this in a few different ways, we saw record-breaking turnouts with young people and women in wisconsin, and across our entire state they couldn't gerrymander statewide supreme cour election, so one voice, and on we counted the other thing is tha wisconsinites said no to dan kelly, who was a potential election denier. he is the individual tha literally was involved i advising the republican part to overturn the will of th people with the fake elector in 2020. and so wisconsin and i reall believe the rest of the countr can feel good knowing that dan kelly is not going to be abl to sit on the highest cour here in wisconsin that can b in roles in election decisions in the future.

>> yeah, it's incredible how states like wisconsin ar saying no to election denier and yet, that message is still not following through to the republican party leadership, broadly speaking wisconsin secretary of state sarah of lexi, thank you s much for your time greatly appreciated as always >> happy. >> let's continue this conversation with christin greer, associate professor o political science that - >> and barbara mcquade at th university of michigan law school she is also an msnbc legal analyst. christina first, i want to get your thoughts on what we saw i tennessee this weekend, an what it says about america democracy. there may be some that are looking at it and saying thi is just power politics in state in tennessee, but i am sure you and others probably see this as a sign of american democracy that is, sadly a this moment, regressing. >> absolutely eamonn, we hav been talking about this fo years. i think that's good news and bad news, also with the ba news first

this is a threat on ou democratic republic, we se it's a power grab, this is reminding me of things tha happened right after reconstruction, as of american lawmakers, it is just a blatan disregard of the constitution, of liberty, of principles. let's not forget, the thre members who were expelled were not expelled just because they were being audrey an disrespectful the floor, the are fighting for gun reform, and legislation after children and citizens of tennessee ha been warning senselessly they are saying enough i enough, that is the bad news that republicans just refuse to recognize the danger that w are in with guns in ou communities, but also how they will just throw out any member that they disagree with in any fashion. that's the bad news. the good news is this, i hav never seen young people so mobilize, i've never see people who normally don't pa attention to politics saying this is wrong. something is amiss most people do not understan

our various levels o government, not just the three branches of government, most people don't understand th difference, local state, and federal politics it is shown a light on the importance of state leve politics most people don't participate.

if in fact that i happened, then i want to liv in a country that will hol everyone accountable even former president and so much of the criticism that we are hearing is thi criticism that this is a political prosecution, but i fact, this is a crime he i charged 30 times since takin office in 2022 manhattan is the financial capital of the world, and th falsification of busines records is a crime the routinely charge and so if you think about that what trump and his supporter are really asking for is special treatment simply because he is a former president, that he not b charged because of who is. but if the rule of law means

anything it means that everybody gets treated the sam way under the law, no better and no worse and so, i think in that regard it is a good thing to see hi charged with these crimes so that it does reinforce the rul of law in this country >> christina greer, barbar mcquade police decriminalize more discuss with you after th break. coming up, did mike pence hand special counsel jack smith a gift why his testimony could hurt trump? but first, richard louis i here with the headlines. hey richard. >> hey man, very good evenin to u.s. officials say classifie u.s. documents recentl appeared on social media are likely real, but officials say some of these documents that detail ukraine's war effort ma have been altered before the were posted. the justice department and pentagon are investigating a source of this potential leak. pope francis calling for peace in ukraine during this easte sunday remarks and st. peter square, the 86-year-old pope i recuperating from bronchitis which recently left hi hospitalized for three days. and jon rahm won 87 master

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president mike pence to testif in a special counsel's investigation into trump's attempts to overturn the 202 election this week, pence confirmed tha he will not fight that order although it is still unclear when he will appear before the grand jury pence's testimony could give jack smith one of the most revealing firsthand account so far of trump's state of mind i the weeks after his loss to jo biden. trump's attorneys could stil appeal the reeling which, is not uncommon, last month h repealed of adderall jobs orde for his top aides to testify my panel is back with me t discuss. barr also with you in this round, legal experts have said that criminal investigatio usually precedes executive privilege, which is somethin trump and his attorneys have argued for in the past so, would trump's attorney even have a case if they try t appeal the judges ruling ordering plans to testify? now that mike pence is not going to be fighting it? >> no i don't think so, ayman,

as you say it was really settled the united state versus nixon case back in th watergate era. executive privilege exists it exists to promote candor fo presidential aides to talk t him without worrying tha someone down the road is going to make them spilled the beans and say what they said, but it is only a qualified privilege, and it is outweighed by things that are more important in the national interest, and crimina investigations is one of those things so, i think at best, donal trump could cause a delay in for the proceedings, but not b much at this point it may be futile to furthe appeal this, and i think one way or the other in short order, mike pence is going to b sitting in front of a grand. jury >> and christine other is the other aspect there is the political calculation, pence said that h has quote, nothing to hide i want to talk to you about th political implications of. this will trump try to smear pants before this all goes down, or will he try to keep him o side and at this point, do you thin mike pence even cares abou protecting donald trump, because to some extent, th

former president has already thrown mike pence under th bus. he has called him all kinds of names, after, and on january the 6th. i would not say he has been defender of mike pence given what mike pence did on that da ending his presidency. >> right so ayman we know mike pence ha just been a feckless leader, i we could even call him that. but as barbara mentioned donald trump's tactics hav always been to delay and the appeal, and that road may have run out. if that is the case, we have seen donald trump when he' back into the corner, there is absolutely no way that he will try to get pence on his side appease certain conciliatory and by the law

and sit in front of a possible grand jury, but it is not that president trump will ever reac out an olive branch and anyway shape, or form that's not wh we is it's not who he's been, and we can't expect new behavior from a man who has no.

shame >> barbara, put yourself in jack smith's position her for a second here with the lin of questioning that you woul want to go after mike pence, because as i mentioned generally speaking, obviousl mike pence has a lot of insigh into the thinking of donal trump from election day up until january the 6th. specifically, if you are the special counsel, what are yo probing at here? what are the questions that ar actually seeing mike pence t try and find, out specifically if a law was broken? >> well i would want to as mike pence about the conversations he had wit donald trump when they wer alone. maybe we can get things from aids about other conversations they had, but when they were alone, and the key factor would be looking for is that corrupt, or fraudulent intent. there is a potential crime her for conspiracy to defraud th united states when he wa pressuring mike pence to abuse his power and overturn the election on january 6th. but a key part of that i knowing that he truly lost the election, and so i would b probing for questions abou

that, about his admissions tha he did win, and that he needed mike pence to overturn the outcome of the election. and the other thing that's really important here, ayman in just locking mike pence t one story right now. even if he does not lockin anything as new, and a value what is most important is that they talk to him so that a yea from, now or two years are now in this case goes to trial mike pence doesn't testify until some new store tha nobody has ever heard before >> all right barbara, christin please stick around we've go one more segment to discus with you, but next, congressma ro khanna is here. why democrats on his committee are accusing oversight chair james comer of withholding information into his biden family probe stick around ♪ ♪ control is everything to me. ♪ feel significant symptom relief with skyrizi, including less abdominal pain and fewer bowel movements at 4 weeks. skyrizi is the first and only il-23 inhibitor

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accused president biden of democrats of not being transparent with the america people, but what if i were t tell you that those same republicans are intentionall withholding key information in

their probes into biden? that is what house overcorrect did committee are accusing james comer of doing comer, during this and thi white ring mediatorial - for individuals he has characterizes whistleblowers i relation to his probe into the bidens business dealings ranking member jamie raski called him out in a letter saying comer's own staff confirm that he is only spoken with two people, and no witnes information was provided comey responded, essentially admitting to hiding informatio saying quote, multiple individuals have approached th oversight committee as whistleblowers with a desire t share informatio confidentially it should be no surprise tha whistleblowers do not trus ranking member raskin. the gop promised to investigat president biden and his family it has been a key part o virginia since taking over a house majority but according to politico, the party base is chafing at the lack of big bombshells, an concrete steps against administration officials t back up all of the lawmakers

talk so, is comer all talk? and what is behind his efforts to conceal his suppose bombshell whistleblowers california congressman r khanna has had a front row sea to this chaos, he sits on th oversight committee, he join me now congressman, it's great to see you again thanks for comin back on the show as i said, you have some uniqu insights here. what do you make of commerce comments, essentially admittin that he is withholding information from you and you colleagues under the guise o protecting them, because the do not trust the democrats o the committee? >> first of all, the committee is not doing what the american people want which is to focu on lowering prices, focus on bringing jobs, it has been a total wild goose chase tryin to implicate the president extended family, who hav nothing to do with government. it is not like they have any case against this president, o this is president official action

they are going after people wh are not even in the government and they are not being transparent with who i actually coming before them. to say that people maybe whistleblowers, that is an infinite universe. there were four specific peopl who came before him, then he said to, we don't know, th standard procedures for them would form the minority. i think this is because they don't really have evidence, it is just trying to create smoke and mirrors to cast doubt on the president. >> cast doubt on the president on one hand, protect the forme president on the other hand by trying to obfuscate, o obstruct, if you will, what is happening in manhattan it is not just the oversight committee that is politicizing these investigations, as i mentioned you've got jim jorda who is the house judiciary chairman he is not trying to ge involved with manhattan da ala bragg's probe into trump, he's requesting testimony fro former new york county special assistant da mark pomerantz fo his previous role leading th

probe into trump's finances. bragg has responded, accusin the house republicans of tryin to undermine his investigations your thoughts on this, you reaction to this move by jim jordan >> i have a simple idea in thi country. how about we let lawmakers worry about making laws, and w let prosecutors and la enforcement through th prosecution? so, let the da deal with his case if there are any improprieties with some person, in president biden's family, let la enforcement do that. the reason we got elected is t deal with health care, to deal with jobs, to deal wit prescription drugs reproductive rights. we should be focused on that instead what you have is peopl on the republican oversigh committee who only want to b prosecutors, i don't eve understand where they went for congress if they want to prosecute? >> what do you make of the way that republicans are sayin that, everything is bein

weaponized, they are constantl being complaining about th government weaponizing the doj for example, and yet here they are trying to undermine credible law enforcement investigation with alvin bragg in the case that is bein brought against the president? >> it is a horrible look for them, and i think people see it they don't want any member o comet, democrat or republican, to be bullying, intimidating a district attorney. take this out of the cas against president trump. think about the precedent it sets if a member of congress i a district attorneys start undermining their ability to enforce the law. we would not be a nation of th rule of law. now, if people think that th case doesn't have merit agains the president, then they can speak out on that in the first amendment, they can organize peaceful rallies, they can tak a lot of judicial action and i have confidence in our

judicial system, cases can g all the way up to the suprem court, which by the way, i stacked with conservatives so, what is shocking to me, i th

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voters in wisconsin this bas week decided they did not want an anti maga-backed judg sitting on their states to court. liberal candidate jane protasiewicz won her race, marking the first time in 15 years that the court will have a democratic majority. conservative candidate danie kelly who, back in 2021, advis the states republican party an it's fake electors scheme, gav what we can only describe as a sore loser concession speech watch. >> i do not have a worth opponent to which i can concede, this was the most deeply deceitful, dishonourable despicable campaign i have eve seen run for the courts. it was truly beneath contempt. my opponent is a serial lawyer this is the future that we hav to look forward to i

wisconsin. >> wow keeping a classy there and get this, state republican are already talking about, wai for it, impeaching protasiewic who, by the way, won by more than ten percentage points it was not even close. so, do republicans just not get? it do they not understand ho democracy works? the voters have made their wishes clear, and as jim reube points out in the washington post, the warning to republicans could not be mor blunt. if you keep pushing right-wing judges widely out of step with a 24 century, united states to trample and cherish civi rights, voters will boot you out of, up and down the ballot let's bring in my next guest van woo color, the wisconsin democratic party chair he joins me now. it is good to have you with, u ben, thank you making time for us you probably saw earlier w spoke to the wisconsin's secretary of state sarah golinsky about this earlier, but it is so outrageous i do want to get your take on wha has happened what do you make of thes

premature impeachment threat that have been leveled against janet protasiewicz is this all republicans have t offer now? >> it is pure bluster. it is in keeping with th republican strategy of seeking power at all costs whether o not voters want them to have it the reality is, and wisconsin, if there is an impeachment there's a vacancy, it get fill by the governor. which is a democratic governor not to something republicans are very interested. and so they are just throwin it around to fire up their base, and they have already starte retreating from it ever sinc the numbers came in so clearly with a landslide for janet protasiewicz republicans are kind of out of options at this point, the have flirted with the idea o trying to make a tiny, tin gesture towards moderating o their total abortion ban, an then immediately decided the couldn't possibly do that. and frankly, they reaped the whirlwind, the idea that you can rid the state, gerrymander the maps to give yourself supermajority the state senate

near super majority in the state assembly, and then rip away a basic human right t bodily autonomy, of freedo people have counted on for hal a century, and then not face any consequences, well tha whole idea just collapsed in a ball of flame on tuesday night in wisconsin and i think we are going to se things like that happen across the country as we go into 2020 for >> i don't want this t sound like a simplisti question, but do tuesday's results show that the strategy of essentially having maga activists and judges rob simply doesn't resonate with voters i mean on one hand, republican looking at the same results as you and me so, republicans mus at some point say, hey guy this is not working. these maga guys these maga candidates, the qualitie candidates is simply not resonating we must change course, but yet they keep nominating these extremists, and elections in hires in more races than ove the past two years >> republicans have created trap and then stepped directly into it and other leg is caugh

in the bear trap that they set they essentially have built up this far right maga base, an told that base that democrat were stealing elections, tha they needed to stomp on voting rights, that democrats wer evil and they needed to destro the freedom to control your ow body and decide whether to access, safe and legal abortion and now a huge part of the far-right base of the gop, juiced by fox news channel, an by right-wing talk radio demands a no compromise, tak no prisoners, power at all costs approach what that means is that th people who are trying to say n this is an electoral dead en in a general election, the lose in primaries. we are about to see this exact situation take place in th republican primary for president. we saw the same thing an senate races across the country, and governors races across the country, that is why n republican was able to in he any incumbent republican senator, in 2022, even though

historical physics just th wind should've in th republican sales not the democrats. so the right has been captured by the very, very far right. especially the political entertain industrial complex, do not see a path out of it fo them, other than losing a lo of elections to the point wher they decide they need to d something dramatically different. >> and it's not hyperbolic t say that this was a high stake election, especially wit someone like kelly who a portably advise republicans on legal efforts to overturn th 2020 election. i want to actually play th sound of charlie kirk, conservative host, reacting to this reach results >> and there goes th wisconsin supreme court, and i decreases our chance to be wil win the white house in 2024. >> what do you make of that? is he saying the quiet part ou loud >> frankly, it's the loud part a bunch of these people, alexander who is a gym insurrectionist, he says h does not see a path to 270 electoral college vote anymore. their whole plan was to try to

get people in place that could overturn another electoral los in 2024, that was a nationwide strategy so press the, vote and if they could not suppress the vot enough to win, steal the election overturn the results and wisconsin is the claim jewel, it's the state they nee to get pennsylvania and michigan ar looking pretty blue right now, so wisconsin, which is permanently on the knife's edge, we're the only state where for the last six presidentia elections come to lessen one percentage point, wisconsin wa a state where they thought the could grab it. they put their nationa convention in 2024 in wisconsin, the first presidential primary beat was in wisconsin, even th next republican national committee meeting with wisconsin because they thought they need wisconsin, and the can get it but then they lost the supreme court, race and now they are going to have to win a fai fight. i think they know that they ar not up to the. task >> it is incredible to pu it in context how much republicans are bigger winning wisconsin, and yet here they are being dealt a setback. been with their, thank you s much, greatly future timing or insights always a pleasure.

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issues could energiz democratic voters, and what is at stake we just finished talking about janet protasiewicz who is when flip the wisconsin supreme court to the left, she has bee vocal voter pro-choice values, and her win will likely root lead to a reversal of th states antiquated abortion ban also this week, a huge win for progressives in chicago, democrat brandon johnston beat his moderate contender pau vallas in that race. johnson, a former educator and organizer with the chicago teachers union campaign on issues such as affordabl housing, and reproductiv rights now, the alarm bells are ringing loud and clear the gop's liabilities have bee exposed, according to politico and the wall street journa called this week a five alar warning for republicans. now, houses for timing, if trump appointed judge an suspended has suspended th longtime approval of the abortion pill mifepristone, he is govern the government a wee to appeal his decision, but if his goes into effect it woul

curtail access nationwide. i can only imagine republicans looking at this ruling a littl differently now that they have seen their losses pile up at week, after week christina greer, and barbara crater back with the so. christina, let's go big pictur her here despite all of the gop's rhetoric around abortion we sa this week that voter understand these issues in a much more personal, and deeper way. top democratic officials hav reportedly begun sketching out a 2024 campaign playbook tha leans heavily into these issues how much trouble is the gop in here, and how do democrats kee this momentum going? >> you know, ayman democrats need to double down on issue that matter to americans with the two out of thre americans in the public opinio will believe in a woman's righ to choose, they believe in marriage equity, these are issues that republicans have our themselves been hijacked b the most radical wing of their party, that donald trump win of the party now, we have to

remember, rebecca tracer had a brilliant piece in new yor magazine that just laid this all out, that americans do car about a woman's right to choose, and we keep using the incorrec terms of pro-life. the republican party is no pro-life, they don't believe i supporting children an families, they clearly don't care about gun issues that are destroying communities and families they don't believe in health and families once they have child, they don't believe in having a social safety net they absolutely are not th party for pro-life, and that i not even the conversation we should be having it is a conversation about does a woman have a right to autonomy over her own body so is it a pro-choice, o antichoice, we need to also be explicit with the language w are using. we are seeing, more and more democrats using that prope language to make sure voters know that this, these ar issues about, can a woman, a grown woman, make her ow decisions without government intervention i think if democrats doubled down on these issues tha clearly are resonating, no with democratic voters independent voters, leanin republicans, and also some moderate publicans it's not just democrats who ar

having sex, and it's not jus democrats who need abortions whether for medical reasons, o other, for a host of reasons so if they stay the course let's be clear, if it weren' for new york democrats was still control for congress the new yorkers that sort of lost it for the democrats, i'm well aware of that, we can tal about that on another show but you know, those four seats were in my state and so, we clearly know th democrats are on the right path, they just need to keep doublin down on gun control, on a woma 's right to choose, on marriag equity, on issues that reall actually bring us together and help support the democrati republic >> barbara, how do you see the next few days playingout legally over this medication abortion ruling from texas will we see more legal challenges, and ho consequential could this cas be in that it sets a precedent for other lawsuits against fda approved drugs >> all of the above. i think, first the has already

filed appeal texas lawsuit wit the fifth circuit court of appeals. we also have that case out o washington that is hanging around that had a differen outcome than in texas, and s together i think they create a little bit of chaos about what the current status is of the availability of mifepristone but even the judge in texas ha stayed his ruling for seve days to give the parties the opportunities to file that appeal i imagine that as that appea is pending and the fifth circuit court of appeals, th drug will remain available i the meantime, typically th status quo is preserved. if that is the fifth circuit, very conservative circuit cour of appeals, if they affirm homage in this case will go to the supreme court. but the issue you raise is, very significant one the legality of this medical abortion drug alone is a ver significant issue. but if a judge can overrule th decision of the fda, the agenc that is given th responsibility of approvin

drugs in this country, the that really changes the whol calculus for drug recourse drug makers rely on that fda approval, when they invest i the research, development, and distribution sales, and al kinds of things with drugs the idea that a judge coul come in and second guess that think, it's just untenable even if judges who are looking at this on appeal don't like the medication abortio decision, i think it is goin to be very difficult for the to say, and a judge can just overturn the saying of the fda because they just don't like the drug, so i am cautiously optimistic that on appeal we will see a change in thi ruling >> and you see to some extent, christina, that republicans, broadly speaking, they are not embracing this decision. not a lot of people have com out in support of the, republican officials i'm talking about in congress, because they know abortion has now become a energizing factor a motivating factor fo democrats, and it seems they are now running away from this

issue. >> right, and we now see republicans saying well, you know let's just, women don't really care about that let's talk about other things. we've got the economy, and other issues a woman's right to choos actually is an economic issue, if you cannot force a woman to come to terms of the child, no cover any social safety net fo the next 18 plus years, so w can always lead to a financial issue. i think we are definitel seeing republicans wanting t talk about anything other than abortion, you know, obviousl gun control is another issue that we are going to try and run away from, and it is reall important that democrats t stay the course, and make sure voters know that this is a party that is trying to take away basic rights. and we have fought many many decades for, and the republica party was to rollback so man issues of progress that we'v had over the last few decades. >> i was gonna say has bee wikler said earlier, the republican set the bear trap and then they stepped into i and now they are stuck in. it christina, barbara, always

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