we'll see challenges to other abortion drugs, not just mifepristone >> we'll see how quickly the ruling or the fifth circuit weighs in. we'll see how quickly the supreme court decides to weigh in, how quickly it gets to a motion to go to the supreme court and what happens then. seems like we have a lot coming when it comes to this conversation >> that's an understatement. >> mary ziegler, thank you for coming on the show and helping us understand. that is going to do it for me today on a day full of tragic and depressing breaking news "deadline white house" starts right now. ♪ ♪ hi, everyone it's 4:00 in the new york. when the united states supreme court took the monumental step in june to roll back nearly 50

years of precedent and overturn roe versus wade, it was far from the final battle on either side over access to abortion health care in america. among independent voters, democratic voters and large numbers of republican voters, it's been a political spark that continues to jolt and potentially reshape our politics the power of the courts' assault on a right supported by a majority of all americans is only exacerbated by the right's ongoing assault on access to reproductive health care the gop's war on women's reproductive freedom reached a new crescendo on friday night in the form of a ruling from a right-wing federal judge who was hand picked to make a decision that would further eliminate access to reproductive health care judge matthew kacsmaryk ordered

the 23-year long fda approval of a drug called mifepristone be put on hold in every single state. it's one half of the two-drug regimen used in medication abortions. he gave the government seven days to appeal his ruling which the doj did this afternoon asking the fifth circuit for a stay so the government has enough time to go to the supreme court if necessary before the ruling goes into effect from that appeal, quote, if allowed to take effect the court's order would thwart fda's scientific judgment and harm women, particularly those for whom mifepristone is a medical necessity. the harm would be felt throughout the country abortions using medication

account for more than half of all abortions nationwide studies suggest that when used in consultation with a doctor, this two-medication regimen successfully term finates a pregnancy 99.6% of the time and has a 0.4% risk of major complications. a study out of uc found that medication abortions are safer than tylenol or viagra less than an hour after judge c warning a judge out of washington ordered the fda to proceed with the status quo and ignore the ruling. the dueling orders create confusion and set up a legal showdown, all but guaranteeing this will end up before the supreme court. if the ruling would go into

effect, it would be a major loss for anyone who can become pregnant it goes far beyond "the new york times" writes, the decision by a texas judge appears to be the first time a court has moved towards ordering removal of an approved drug from the mart ket over the fda it could open the door to lawsuits to contest approvals or regulatory decisions related to other medications. if upheld the texas decision would shake the framework of the pharma pharmaceutical's reliance on the fda. president joe biden put out a statement following the order, quote, if this ruling were to stand, then there will be no prescription approved by the fda that would be safe from these kinds of political idealogical

attacks. the president of the american medical association says this ruling flies in the face of the fda's scientific guidelines. reproductive rights and freedoms in our country hanging at the time balance anew is where we begin the hour joining us president of pro-choice america, also former acting assistant attorney general mary mccord and former obama health policy director

dr. patel and claire mccaskill i start with you minnie. we've focussed on this here. it is the kind of news, the kind of bombshell that focuses the entire nation on another move, another politically motivated and extreme right wing ideological agenda item to deprive women of their standing as equal citizens. this one seems to endanger the health of all women in america your first reaction, even being prepared for the likely possibility this was going to happen >> our reaction was we knew who this judge was we knew his affiliations and background he showed that this is exactly who he is. his ruling was riddled with

dangerous misinformation you put up the quote from the ama. it was startling it was language that is concocted by anti-choice extremists and showed where his loyalties are and his inability to remain impartial. he used misleading terms 93 times. extremist groups that work with him applauded the ruling and called a win, quote, for the health and safety for women and pregnant people, ignoring the science and the fact that restricting access to abortion puts women and pregnant people in more danger our reaction, while we were not surp surprised, we were still shocked. it's incredibly dangerous and tells us how deep the ties between this judge and the anti-choice extremist groups are. >> i think people have a hard time understanding how our

rights are so frail. the right wing can mastermind a case and plant it in front of the fringiest judge they can find and deprive every woman in america from this drug and this two-step medical abortion option can you give us a minute of the history of the right wing fringe and how they masterminded this and got this far >> it starts with donald trump it goes much further susan b. anthony list and the folks that birth judge catas that part of their strategy was to appoint as many extremist judges as possible look, when trump became president he had the opportunity

to push through these judges judge matthew matthew kaczmyrk,y wanted to just get in front of this judge and they knew that if they filed in amarillo you have institutes like the federal society and the election of donald trump. that's how we got here. >> everyone, claire mccaskill, before they vote again in their lifetime should know this man. here he is

this is judge kacsmyrk. >> do judges apply religious convictions when making rulings? >> they should not. >> do you believe they do? >> senator in working in private government i can't recall an instance where i observed a judge imposing their religion. it's inappropriate for an article iii judge to do so. >> this is the judge for the first time in our country's history for a nonmedical reason has withdrawn an fda approval for a drug that has no safety concerns, viagra and tylenol have more, have a worse record when it comes to safety than this drug. here we are. we're still living in the far

right fringe america, every last one of us. >> yeah. this is a political effort to end every abortion in america masquerading as a lawsuit. this whole effort belongs in the hall of fame of hypocrisy from forum shopping that minnie outlined, to activist judges which republicans pretend like they don't want and clearly that's not true, to an issue of standing which is a joke in this case, to the fact that after dobbs came down all the republicans said we want the states to decide no, they don't they want government-forced births on every woman in america. this opinion is "la la land. it's so embarrassing it reminds me of the trump judge in florida that made those

ridiculous decisions around the mar-a-lago search warrant. our judiciary is sprinkled with really bad judges. nicolle, it's a little off point, but i have to make it here because it's important. keep in mind right now the republicans in states where there are two republican senators, many are blocking every single judicial appointment, like in a state like mine, where we have numerous vacancies and josh hawley and eric schmidt are refusing to work with the white house and allow any nomination to go through. when a republican is president, we get these nuts on the bench for lifetime appointments. when a democrat is in the white house, we go we have to wait for the blue slip. we have to wait for the blue slip they're going to stall and leave a bunch of vacancies

it's so bad >> clair, that's precisely on point. i'm glad you brought us here what is -- how do democrats spill the court vacancies, which they're entitled to do, in a manner that's more expedited how would republicans be operating if they were in control? >> they would be putting these people through they would be ignoring the blue slip i mean, once mitch mcconnell decided a sitting president had no right to nominate a supreme court judge, then all bets are off with them. you know, what good is it to have a majority vote for district court judges in the federal system if you can't get it out of committee because two republican senators from the state want to deny their state -- we have no u.s. attorneys in my state, none. biden's been in office now for years. there hasn't even been anyone

nominated by the white house it is time -- we have a lot of things to be upset about today we have another mass shooting. we have this ridiculous ruling by a political judge who has no respect for precedent in texas and we have a crisis in the way this is operating. >> we'll keep that in mind i'm glad you brought that up at this point in the conversation dr. patel, it's funny not to go this many minutes without saying what this means for women. the map for abortion in america looks like a child's jig saw puzzle these are the different laws and limitations by state what is the medical reality right now for women and physicians >> well, the decision over the weekend -- as the court ruling

came in and people were processing it, physicians all around the country were confused because honestly we don't have the time to read through all the details or legal expertise unfortunately many people thought that ruling made it immediately illegal, which is not true just to be clear, as you mentioned, it's still an fda approved drug, but in all states where abortion is legal, it's still safe and effective to use. in states where things are restricted there are options like plancpill.org this is not just an assault on what we've done for years, which is practice evidence-based medicine on top of that it opens up this gap. we have to think about the reality that we only have one drug as an option, not the two-drug regimen

that can be a path to prescribe a medicated abortion, but we know it's not the best regimen and we don't understand how to give guidance to women to say, well, if you have these symptoms, come back and follow up, especially in those states in the jig saw puzzle. imagine being in texas and trying to prescribe anything or recommend prescribing something and imagine being a woman, doesn't matter what age, but most of these women have other children by statistics most of these women are the sole breadwinner. imagine having to spend the time to navigate this it's not reasonable or possible. you've taken away the equity of your rights as a patient by doing this. >> mary, i want you to take us through the legal steps. it is surreal listening to all

you talk it's surreal we're here. i have a statement from the pharmaceutical companies i'm sure they've given it to republicans and i'm sure republicans confirmed this yahoo judge in amarillo. i want you to take us through the steps of what happens next and how likely it is that this ends up before the supreme court. >> yeah, there's so much that's remarkable about the opinion where we are right now, the department of justice today did file its notice of appeal to the fifth circuit and sought a stay of this ruling the judge already himself put a stay on the impact of the ruling because he knew the department of justice was likely to appeal it rather than it being effective immediately, he put a stay on it of seven days. the department is saying to the fifth circuit stay it until we can get through the appeals process. if the fifth circuit grants that, then the notice of appeal will start the timeframe for

filing briefs, appealing all the legal issues in this ruling and there are many if the fifth circuit denies that motion for a stay, this is something that the department of justice could take up to the supreme court and seek to have the supreme court stay it. again, if the supreme court were to deny that, the department of justice could ask for the supreme court to go ahead and take immediate review on the merits as opposed to waiting for the fifth circuit to review it just to expedite things. there are a lot of steps right now as your other guests have indicated, the ruling is not in effect. there's so much to appeal here as a lawyer reading through the opinion, we have dubious rulings on standing, on exhaustion, on timeliness and the merits. it's just legal mumbo jumbo, but

at every step there's a misapplication to the law in this case. i think legal analysts across the political spectrum have been saying the same thing since the ruling came out friday in terms of what happens next, this is outside of this particular ruling. there has got to be a change -- it's already being discussed so there are no more single judge divisions within judicial districts. this is not forum shopping this is judge shopping if you file in amarillo, you get this judge that's why so many cases involving issues really pushed by the far, far right conservatives are brought in that judicial division within that district. in most cases there is such a thing as forum shopping. you can file a case in a district where there's however many judges and maybe they lean -- more than republican

appointed than democratic appointment. this is not forum shopping there's no selection go to amarillo and you get this judge. as a lawyer who practiced in federal courts my whole career, i would like to think it doesn't matter what president appointed a judge. there are many cases it doesn't matter, but this is a judge it very much matters. that shouldn't be the way our justice system operates. >> mary, as a nonlawyer, what has held up since its existence the fda's approval of every other drug before this moment and before this ruling for nonmedical reasons >> well, the fda was created with congressional authority and it was given the authority to regulate pharmaceuticals it does that based on science and it does that based on evidence it has to follow rules,

procedural rules it gives notice, takes comment, engages in extensive requirements for testing before approving drugs. it continues to take evidence of testing. if a drug ends up unsafe, it can take action to disapprove it or take away the approval here we're not talking about a judge saying, you missed a step in the process this judge, when he got to the merits after all those threshold issues, standing, timeliness, this is 23 years this drug has been on the market, once he got through the threshold issues, dispensed with all of them, even though there were very good arguments, he got to the merits and said, huh, i disagree with the judgment of the experts at the fda. i disagree with the science. i disagree with the evidence

i think it's possible, you know, that more studies could be more useful there are some women who suffer adverse consequences and, therefore, it was arbitrary and ka capricious for the fda to approve this drug. that is remarkable that's why so many pharmaceutical companies are opposed to this. they're saying we rely on the regulatory scheme of the fda as we develop new medications, which the fda is a gold standard the fda puts pharmaceutical companies through their paces. they're saying if we can't rely after we invest the time and research and money in getting approvals for our drugs we come up with, if we can't rely on that approval and process, it's going to have a serious and significant widespread negative

impact on the bio pharmaceutical industry and i think they're right about that. >> clair, i want to do this part as calmly as i can this is the same story that happened after the election when everyone said, i know everybody admits they lost when they lost. let's give donald trump a minute this is the same story that happened in the 2015 republican primary when mitt romney said he has to turn over his taxes and republicans said no. when a norm is annihilated and the pharmaceutical industry has said how do we invest, how do we do the research and science if a judge can throw it all out this is who they are if people don't wake up and see that all the norms are gone, that there is no limit -- what are they going to target next? it won't be viagra, spoiler alert.

they're after everything accepted as a norm, accepted as safe, has been vetted and proven and in use for 23 years. why? because they can how long will it take -- it's hard to say the other side this is democrats in this instance democrats, independents, women, young people, and a plurality of republicans. how long will it take to the majority to find out what game the extreme right is playing >> it might be 2024. we saw in wisconsin young people vote in numbers like we've never seen before. i know that the doctor explained a lot about this drug. having had a child who had a miscarriage, the two-drug regimen made it less dramatic and painful for her. if only one was given, if this judge has his way and the heart break of my child losing a baby she wanted very much, she would

have had to -- it would have been worse, more painful, more drawn out, more difficult. that's what people need to focus on what these people are doing, what this small sliver of america is doing, is they are putting government between a woman and her health and, yes, the pharmaceutical industry doesn't like this. frankly the pharmaceutical deserves a rap on the knuckle for many things, but this is also going to increase drug costs for many americans not only are republicans using government-mandated births for rape victims in my state, they're saying we don't care if your drugs cost more there will be a political outcome here because enough people are going to get upset, particularly young people who we always had difficulty getting to

vote they're paying attention now they get it. i think 2024 will be a different electorate than the republicans are expecting. >> we'll continue for that part of the story. when we come back, how the republican party is paying a steep political price for its toxic views on reproductive health care. plus, another tragedy in ame america's seemingly endless crisis. later, lawmaker justin jones is set to return to the tennessee house of representatives. the council of the city of nashville will hold a vote in the next hour to reinstate him we'll bring you all those stories and more after a quick break. don't go anywhere. oh, my daughter gives the best hugs! we're just passing through on our way to the jazz jamboree.

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plain and simple in some cases like we're seeing in this lawsuit, it's life saving health care, whether for the mother or in the case of my fellow plaintiff lauren miller, for one of her two twins she needed an abortion of one to save the life of the other you know, it's just standard health care that all americans should have the right to access. i think secondly i would like people to understand that the word abortion has become so stigmatized and the people who have been stigmatized are those who need or want or seek

abortions is not always the case we are five women who represent a much larger swath of the country and we all desperately want children and yet we found ourselves in positions we needed abortions. >> we're back with minnie, mary, dr. patel and clair. dr. patel, everything amanda said was impactful i want everyone to see it. this point -- clair's made the point as well -- sometimes the person that needs this health care is the one that wants the life and grieves the loss of the life more than anyone can fathom the stigma is trauma on top of trauma what do we do on the stigma side of this? >> we have to do so much, nicolle, not just to try to diffuse what the vitriol around the word abortion is

the word abortion is the same as surgery or any medical term. we have to just talk about the facts of what things are and how she eloquently laid out who she is, what she was seeking, you can then debunk some of that emotion that the word will spark in people. i firmly believe it's these stories. senator mccaskill's story about her doubt will resonate with viewers far more than me talking about medical data and science that's what we need to do, humanize and put human faces to this so many people i talked to said if they only knew about my patient and i encouraged those doctors. i said come out and talk about this because that's the way we make this a normalized conversation and that people -- not just republicans

i want everybody to understand what's at stake here if you think you don't know somebody who has thought about a medication abortion, you haven't been talking to the people around you that's what we need to do. >> that's where i think the politics are so determining. this is not a pregnancy that's not viable. it's not a republican problem or democratic problem a pregnant woman becomes septic because she can't get health care, if it's a kid or wife or mom, you don't care about party. people will die. it seems like a small sliver of republicans are saying out loud their party is on the wrong side of this. this is nancy mace, a republican from south carolina. >> you think the fda should ignore this? >> i would, yes.

i would. this is an issue that republicans have been largely on the wrong side of. we have over the last nine months not shown compassion towards women. this is one of those issues i tried to lead on as someone who is pro-life. the state of south carolina, we had some folks in the state legislature that wanted to execute women that had abortions. we have extreme views on this issue. 90% of america is in the middle. i think that 90% would be okay listening to the fda rather and that a judge that used a law that was determined unconstitutional by the supreme court. we're getting it wrong we have to show compassion to women, especially women who have been raped we have to show compassion on the abortion issue most of americans aren't with us on this issue. >> minnie, i want to explain myself this is a pro-life republican woman, her name is nancy mace.

in the category of how bad are the politics, they're so bad that a pro-life conservative woman from south carolina can call bs on the rest of her party. i have some other political headlines from the weekend axios quotes the political reports as saying that democrats are making huge gains in a year that's supposed to be a red state bonanza for republicans. they're in deep doo doo politically speaking as i always come back to, that does nothing for a woman seeking an abortion today who can't access the health care she needs either because doctors are confused or scared of prosecution or because she doesn't know it's available to her. what do we do in this moment while we're waiting for the politics to catch up with republicans? >> we have to make sure it happens. i'm going to call bs on nancy

mace she's full of it her voting record has been entirely in line with the anti-choice extremism. let's be clear i want to note not one single gop candidate for president issued a statement about the ruling and neither did ron desantis, tim scott, chris sununu ron desantis is poised to sign a six-week ban nikki haley has said every state should be pro-life i want to be clear they've been in bed with this extremist movement for decades it's not new they can't run away from their record our job is to make sure the american people know it. it's a lot more than nancy mace outlined at 90%. 49% of republicans are in favor of medication abortion that's almost 50% of republicans, self-identified republicans. we have a lot of work to do yes.

we can do some in 2023 we have elections right now. we had a great big win in wisconsin. we have a ballot initiative in ohio and we have a governors race in kentucky, pro-choice democratic governor in a red state and we have a legislature up in virginia these are big activities and actions to take now. >> clair, i know people say if your life depends on it. if you're a woman or school child, it literally does decisions on health care, on guns have made it so tangible what the stakes are in the next election there's something just unbelievable about mitch mcconnell who has more fingerprints on the remaking of the federal judiciary being in a political cage of his own making he'll probably never see the majority again because of the unpopularity, the political dead weight that's the supreme court and other judges

i how do you see the political landscape today heading into '24? >> well, first of all, we can't be complacent about it whether it's weapons of war with high capacity magazines that can slaughter children quickly before any police officers or any school security officer can respond, that's where 85, 90% of americans agree. this issue is an issue where 85, 90% of americansagree that rap victims and medical abortions and other things around women's health care, the government should nose out of it. keep their big nose out of it. here's the thing, all of those feelings and polls don't translate to squat if people don't vote, if they don't decide this is the time to finally get off your couch, quit complaining and volunteer. find a candidate no matter what kind of state you

live in -- because what happens is, when you have power, it corrupts the right wing of the republican party has corrupted their party courtesy of donald trump the extremists are in charge there's a political price to be paid for extremism most americans like moderation it is time for everyone who feels this way to not talk about it and not talk to your friends about it, but maybe for the first time decide to volunteer on a campaign and make a difference you can. you really can >> little light of optimism. minnie, mary, clair, dr. patel, thank you so much. up next, we'll talk togun control activist and our country's youngest member of congress maxwell frost on the tennessee three and keeping up the fight for gun safety that's up next

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familiar to all of us now after five days of covering this story. that was ousted tennessee representative justin jones on the reaction, the backlash to the tennessee state house's expulsion of him and fellow representative justin pearson late last week all for simply participating in a demonstration urging their fello fellow legislators to do something to end gun violence after the mass shooting at the covenant elementary school a rally is beginning at the tennessee state capitol again over that body's inaction on gun violence and now the expulsion of representatives jones and pearson. adding new urgency to the mission, another senseless tragedy, another mass shooting, another murder a gunman killed four people and injured nine in downtown louisville, kentucky

joining our coverage maxwell frost of florida he's a gun violence survivor and served as the national organizing director at march for our lives. march for our lives was the group that the two ousted members aligned themselves with and supported that day it's where a majority of tennesseeans stand on gun control legislation. your reaction to seeing two elected representatives ousted for aligning themselves with their constituents >> thank you for having me on. like most people feel it's disgusting we've seen that this rise in this specific part of the right wing, the specific part of the republican party which is a far right wing fascist movement that is using the power they have and using it to remove people from

political office while they ignore what's happening in the american people. it begs the question why have we seen this rise quickly and i think it's because the right wing is now understanding that time is not on their side, that this new generation of voters, millennials and gen-z are voting and care about their future and work on the issues of our time they know this they're getting ready and doing everything they can to be able to govern in a minority rule situation. that's why we see people like governor desantis and people in texas and tennessee abuse their power to remove people from office and it's like a backlash we're seeing because of the youth vote coming out right now. >> it is in any objective read the autocrats tool kit desantis' war on the press the tennessee republican's war

on the voters and constituents of representatives pearson and jones, they're tools a textbook auto ccrat relies on you, by your presence and your election, your victory in the congress, answer this for us, what do you think they'll do next what will they do in 2024? >> i think we'll continue to see -- we've seen the past three cycles have amazing youth voter turnout numbers. in 2020 we had the highest youth voter turnout in the history of our country and a half of gen-z can't vote yet meanwhile, the republicans are trying to change the voters and

gerrymandering our maps. it's anti-democratic it's not democracy and it's not the freedom and liberty that the republican party holds up as their banner true patriotism is loving the people in the country. it's not just about the flag it's about the people in the country and it's something this generation, young folks, understand that's why we'll continue to fight. we will vote, but we'll also hit the streets and take care of one another. that holistic interpretation is part of the reason young voters will build political power in this ountry. it's using every tool in our tool box. >> when there's a mass shooting -- now in the last couple there has been the ability to find eye witnesses who have been on the scene that's how frequent they are your generation has grown up from age 2 or 3 to adulthood

having active shooter drills, whether you've been touched by a mass shooting or not i've raised a child who has had active shooter drills every week you witnessed a horrific mass shooting at your school. what do you want from your government if that is your reality, if that is your experience as an american? >> unfortunately my generation is defined by mass shootings i call us the mass shooting generation, which is horrible to think. i've done this exercise before i asked what are some defining moments for your generation. a lot of times you hear the moon landing or post 9/11 ask a member of gen-z, you hear pulse, parkland, breonna taylor, george floyd, death, trauma, death. that trauma is defining our

generation you know what also defines our generation what we do in sipite of that trauma we're not playing the blame game we just want to be a part of the solution here. we're a bit confused and impatient by the fact that w live in a country that loses 100 people a day due to gun violence if you're a kid and you were to die, the most likely reason is because of bullet. it's unacceptable to us. we're just here to fight for a world where everybody is safe. we refuse this mindset that politicians use all the time your success takes away from me. we reject that we can all live. we can all freedom to be able to live without the fear of gun violence and i really believe this is why it gives me so much optimism i know things are dark right now, everyone at home watching, especially in the state of florida, but what makes me optimistic is that our electorate is shifting to a

place where they're fighting for justice and they're voting for candidates who actually give a damn about our lives that's why i ran for congress. and i'm not the last one >> do you know of anybody -- i mean, i'm sure you are in receipt of a lot of calls and people reaching out to find out what it's like and how hard it is and how you do it do you hear from people that are thinking of following in your footsteps and running for congress >> 100%. and the great thing is it's not just congress. it's people who want to run for school board, state representatives, city council. every single position you can think of and that's really how we're going to make the change in this world. not just in congress but every level of government. we need people who are forward-thinking, progressive candidates and thinking about ways of how we're going to end gun violence at every level of government i actually just introduced my first bill, which creates a federal office of gun violence prevention, which will help do just that, work with municipal cities, state governments, and congress to provide recommendations and get the data that we need to solve this

problem holistically but what we will refuse is politicians who go in front of cameras and say oh, it's going to happen anyway, there's nothing we can do. if that is -- if that's the energy you're bringing to this problem, you don't belong in the seat of power. you don't belong in a place where you represent the people because every death is a policy failure. and i believe in my heart that we will end gun violence we just need to come together around it. and like you said, nicolle, most people in this country are for common sense gun reform. most nra members are for universal background checks. so it begs the question why isn't it law and it's because bipartisanship for the rest of us means what we can agree on but bipartisanship in congress on this issue means what the nra is okay with and we will continue to root out and vote out these politicians who are bought and paid for by corporate gun lobby money that value those profits over children and over human lives. it's unacceptable. >> it's amazing. it sort of reminds you too of

nancy reagan's war on drugs. just imagine if we'd said no, can't be fixed, illegal drugs are just going to kill your kids, sorry, we're done, nothing we can do here people wouldn't have accepted it and they don't accept this congressman, it's wonderful to have a few minutes of your time. thank you very much for spending some time with us. >> thanks for having me. >> we'll give claire mccaskill the last word on the other side of a very short break. don't go anywhere. are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh waaaay longer than detergent alone. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables

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word on this point the congressman made there are some things that are too big for spin and for right-wing disinformation. do you think we're at one of those crossroads >> i hope so it feels like we're getting numb to the mass shootings. it feels like it's become too common for us to care. but i actually believe if we create more activists -- and he's inspiring, and those two young talented leaders in tennessee are very inspiring people need to get inspired. and every time one of these things happens they've got to go out and find some people to register to vote they're going to make it harder for us to vote because the only way they can win is by trying to keep people from voting. but just because they make it harder doesn't mean we shouldn't try. a lot of people worked hard at getting the right to vote for many, many years in this country. so just because you can't use your college i.d. doesn't mean you don't show up with a different kind of i.d. to vote and they're going to use every trick they can

but if we determine that these stakes are so big that we can have a country that is not the home of mass slaughter and forced birth by the government, we can change it and i actually believe the younger generation is what's g going to inspire me to keep trying to preach the talk that we can do this, we can register more voters and get this done. >> we're not numb and we always listen to you. we need you to keep preaching, claire thank you so much for spending this hour on this day with us, my friend. up next for us here, nba coach gregg popovich uses his platform in an amazing way to make an impassioned plea for gun safety reform we'll play you some of that next "deadline: white house" starts after a quick break. don't go anywhere.

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"my office is in contact with federal, state and local officials and we stand ready to assist." in what? they're dead what are you going to assist with cleaning up their brains off the wall wiping the blood off the school room floor what are you going to assist with when i pick up my 6 and 11-year-old grandkids at school when i'm here at home, on the way it goes through my mind that i hope they're going to be okay. and most of you in this room, when we were in school we worried if nancy would dance with us on friday after the football game or something that was our anxiety >> coach, it goes through all of our minds. hi again, everybody. it's 5:00 in new york. that was legendary coach of the san antonio spurs gregg popovich, who used his last pregame media availability of

his nba season, perhaps his career, to put a spotlight on the issue of gun violence and what happened in nashville two weeks ago. we're going to share more of pop's show-stopping comments in just a minute. but first, consider what happened the morning after he made them. as we mentioned, a 23-year-old gunman today opened fire inside a bank in downtown louisville, kentucky at this hour we understand four people have been murdered, at least another nine have been wounded. and the shooter was either a current or former employee of that bank. as law enforcement assembles the details this time, it should be top of mind for everyone that yet another community in these united states is grieving. yet another community in the country has to grapple with the grief and the aftershocks of deadly gun violence and a shattered sense of security at their bank, at their community, in their home. these incidents are so common in our country that we're fast

approaching a point, maybe we're already there, when everyone knows someone who knows someone that has been impacted by gun violence take kentucky's governor andy beshear. here's what he said after arriving on the scene earlier today. >> this is awful i have a very close friend that didn't make it today and i have another close friend who didn't either. and one who's at the hospital that i hope is going to make it through. i hope every one of those bank employees and folks in that building, one that i know well, and my a.g. campaign was out of that building. i know virtually everyone in it. that's my bank i hope that they will all reach out and get the help that they need there are a lot of people that are hurting today. and if we have a place to focus our energy, i hope it is to surround them with the love and the compassion that we have been so good at showing one another

>> so now we as a country add the good and grieving people of louisville, kentucky to the list of people who are forced to grapple on a day otherwise ordinary, right? monday, go back to work. with the uniquely american problem. you go to work, you go to school, you go to church, you go grocery shopping, and you can be gunned down in a mass shooting because we live in a country where widespread seemingly random mass gun violence is the norm that's who we are. that's how we roll here. it's a horrifically long list. it includes nashville, tennessee. that one was at an elementary school you remember if you watched this program that last week following a mass shooting at an elementary school where six people were murdered including three 9-year-old babies a supermajority of republicans there voted to expel a pair of lawmakers who had the audacity to use a bullhorn in calling for us to do something more than

nothing. to do something. we should tell you at this point, perhaps this hour, nashville's metro council is expected to hold a vote that would reappoint one of those expelled lawmakers, justin jones, effectively sending him back to the body in which he served before he was expelled. protesters have been outside the meeting demonstrating in support of jones's reappointment but before we get there let's go back to spurs head coach gregg popovich, who actually mentioned the tennessee lawmakers in his remarks before turning his attention to the way some lawmakers cloak themselves in what he calls the myth of the second amendment here's coach popovich one more time, courtesy of brad townsend of the "dallas morning news. watch. >> you know, it's just -- it's a myth it's a joke. it's just a game they play y to socialize and try to learn and be scared to death that they might die

that day but ted cruz will fix it because he's going to double the number of cops in the schools that's what he wants to do well, that will create a great environment. is that freedom? or is it freedom to have a congressman who can make a postcard with all his family holding rifles including an ar-15, or whatever is that cool is that like street cred for a republican that's freedom that's more important than protecting the kids? i don't get it you know, the greed of the gun lobbies and the manufacturers is obvious. we all know that money talks. but the cowardice and the selfishness of the legislators who are so scared to death of being primaried and losing their job, losing their power, losing their salary, you'd like to get each one of them in a room, just one by one, and say what's more important to you if you could vote for some good

gun safety laws that most of the public agrees to, would you do that if it saved one kid. or is your job and your money so important to you that you would say screw the kid? what's in your mind? >> wow their actions say what's in their mind to quote the great coach pop, screw the kids before we start the hour some of our favorite reporters and friends, writer at large for the bulwark tim miller is here also joining us former rnc chairman michael steele is here. eddie glaude is back he's the chair of the department of african american studies at princeton university tim, michael and eddie are all msnbc contributors but maya wiley's here too. she's a former assistant u.s. attorney, now the president of the leadership conference on civil and human rights maya, this isn't about covering these stories. because we're safe, right? we're covering the worst day of

someone's lives. the day that no parent or spouse or child gets over, if their mom or dad or baby dies in a mass shooting in america. but the clip is so frequent now that if we plan a show about the reaction to mass shootings that show is sometimes interrupted by the need to cover another mass shooting, as it was today. they're happening more and more and more and more and more and the republican refrain is unchanged. they now say out loud, they're out of the closet now, as being for doing, quote, nothing. there's, quote, probably nothing we can do is the current republican position. on mass shootings in america what do the rest of us do who don't want to live in that america? >> vote. vote and make sure everyone else has the ability to vote. and i say that because we know, we know as we see the devastating footage like we saw out of louisville, like when we

see the incredible travesty we saw in tennessee with these lawmakers duly elected fighting for the voice to represent their constituents on gun reform, having that compared to an insurrection from january 6th, none of that, none of that reflects the majority of americans' views on what is rational gun policy. none of it and the only reason that it is allowed sway, that it is allowed to govern our lives and now govern our deaths, because that's what we're seeing, permission to kill, because, because we have also seen too many efforts to make it hard for the very people to vote who would show up and say no, you're not representing my interests. in fact, tennessee was really the next level of affront to

democracy when they said we will use our powers to remove you for even using your voice. and by the way, we'll make sure it's the black folks that don't get represented in that voice. i mean, it was incredible what we've seen but i just say that because the reality is we are the majority in this country, those of us who say our children should be safe in schools, that we should be safe going to the bank or the shopping mall or frankly just walking down the street, and it isn't about taking constitutional rights away, it's about recognizing the right to live, the right to learn, the right to be able to just participate in our lives and in society. and that is not taking away a constitutional right that's protecting them >> eddie glaude, we were coming on the air to cover a funeral for some of the victims of the buffalo massacre when uvalde happens. we were coming on the air today to cover the tennessee members of congress when louisville happened it is not getting better

it is getting worse. and what coach pop said there in sort of the heart of i love my gun country, texas, is true. drop your kids off, or in his case his grandkids, you say a silent prayer. you know, i hope they're okay. >> yeah. and you know, as coach pop is wont to do, he put it very powerfully and poignantly. i'm sitting here thinking, nicolle, because we've done this so many times over the years, what's going on. i mean, we could talk about the politics we could talk about the idolatry around the second amendment. but i think there's this strange convergence of what's going on politically and what's happening culturally and what i mean by that is that there is of course the kind of myth around the second amendment as sacrosanct. i get that and we can trouble that, as we have but there's something about the privatization of grief, the way in which we deal with death in

the country. how -- you know, you remember during the vietnam war when those caskets would come down and they would show footage. it was as if the nation had to grieve together as our sons and daughters were risking their lives for the country. or for whatever they were doing. then we turned the cameras away from them. it's almost as if your grief is your own we will recognize the death, and then we will move on it's the way in which we're grappling with death that allows for this stuff to continue on because in some ways we just say okay, we're going to send you our prayers, but now you go back to your communities, you go back to your home, and you grieve all by your damn self. and then we move on. and then we do it again and again. there's something culturally happening here that keeps the majority from fighting more vigorously for a more sane country, if that makes sense >> it makes a ton of sense and we decided that one of the ways we wanted to get through

the pandemic when we were all isolated and at home was to remember lives well lived, people who died, if they died in a hospital alone, saying good-bye on ipads. what i feel like i hear you saying, eddie, is we need to connect ourselves, because we're now at the point where by a twist of fate it could be any one of us. >> exactly, nicolle. we have to figure out if we're going to change our politics not only do we have to vote as maya said, and i agree with her 100%, we have to begin to figure out how to shift the culture around this question because we're resigning ourselves to this reality in a way that goes beyond right and left. it cuts to the heart of who we are as americans >> you know, michael steele, i think eddie's getting at something that -- it's too horrific right? i mean, newtown is is so horrific that we can't relive it but then it happened again in uvalde and uvalde's so horrific that we were there for many, many weeks.

some of my best colleagues did their most brilliant work there. but you can't stay forever, right? even though those families' lives are ruined forever you can't stay forever but then it happened again, right? it happened in nashville two weeks ago. and what we have on the other side of our screen is the political reaction because it can't be that there's something to be done because then the republican party in its current formation can't be it can't be that a party can exist in america who's stated publicly -- we didn't catch them on a hidden line no wiretap listening that heard them say we can't do anything. that's their position at the sticks that's what they say in front of the united states capitol. what can you do? quote, probably nothing. so enter representatives justin jones and justin pearson, who simply stood with the protesters and now we have this extraordinary story of republicans expelling them because they can't exist >> yeah. you know, the top line question

really begs the answer what will it take. and so yeah, you get to a point where you go well, no, there's nothing you can o. mamie till thought differently the mother of emmett till, thought differently about the murder of her son. she defied conventional wisdom and thinking that there was nothing you can do when she showed the country exactly what was done to her child. i think where we are today is we've sanitized the murder of the innocents in such a way that we actually believe that lamebrain thinking that there's nothing you can do there's nothing we can do. all right? because it's clean it's no mess you show a grieving mother you show a grieving community. there's thoughts and prayers and then we just wait for the

next one i mean, we got up today. right? and the news flashes across our screen, how did we feel as a country when we saw that felt nothing i bet you we felt nothing. because it just happened last week it just happened last month. so as long as we continue to sanitize this, eddie's right what's the next play here? we just wait for the next one, next week. and then we'll continue to sanitize it more so until we rip that band-aid off, until we rip this idea out of our system that we don't have to confront the violence of killing children with automatic rifles and what that actually looks like, what that actually does to a 9-year-old, to a

kindergartner, we'll continue to sanitize this and we'll continue to come on air and we'll talk about it and republicans and their ilk will continue to stand there and say there's nothing we can do about it. we can unelect them. but that's a political process that no one seems to be willing to lean into right? we just re-elected these buffoons in november. we just gave them the power back in november. the country said here. after an insurrection. take it back so what do you think is going to happen in a moment like this with that crew "there's nothing we can do." so there are two things we can do you can unelect them and the families can find the courage, and it's a hard courage to find, to actually show the country what happened to their child. it galvanized the civil rights movement in a way that was

stunning maybe that kind of shocked our system where we rip that band-aid off is something we need to understand and come to grips with because right now it's too clean. it's too neat. it's too packaged. and i don't have to touch it i don't have to look at it i don't have to confront it. and i can offer my thoughts and my prayers and move on >> you rendered me speechless. and the thought is unbearable of the latter right? and i'm sitting here thinking what do i do, right? as a host only responsible for my two hours but what would i do? could i handle it? and i also -- you know, this is a republican problem, tim. this isn't -- the democrats haven't done anything wrong other than maybe not fighting like republicans but what is the -- you know, the republican -- the corruption of the party that you and i were a part of is also a story that gets short shrifted.

we sanitize that too it's corrupt from the top to the bottom, from east to west. not one republican condemned the tennessee republican majority for what they did. not one republican who thought that bringing democracy to iraq or afghanistan would make our country safer, which was -- i know it's unpopular now. that was the position of mitch mcconnell and every elected republican not one of them is interested in doing a single goddamn thing to protect democracy here in america, here in tennessee not one of them. and i actually find it more chilling that not a single republican condemned what the yahoos in tennessee did than what the yahoos in tennessee actually did >> yeah, that was really chilling, huh? that we didn't hear from a single republican on that. look, on the gun thing with regards to kind of just -- two anecdotes just to show i think the depth of the corruption of the republican party on this point. one on the negative side, one on maybe an optimistic side on the negative side, ted cruz, i don't know if you saw this, it was about a week and a half ago, pop didn't even know this when

he was in that interview you showed, coach popovich mentioned ted cruz's response, which was to arm the schools more. more guns is going to be the answer to this which -- you know, which isn't really a proposal. right? it's not a serious one it's just something to say they're just looking to move on as michael was saying. they're not trying to actually solve the problem. but to just prove it in the most macabre and maddening way possible but when cruz said that we should arm the schools more, the evidence that he had to back that up was, well, look at how we protect our banks we protect our banks with armed guards and we should treat the kids like that well, what happened a week later? a bank was shot up to just show in the most grotesque way possible how preposterous this non-solution talking point was that cruz put forward. and i just think that that is one example, just shows how they're not interested

it's not just the people going to the sticks saying they're not going to do anything even the people proposing they should do something, it's performance, it's not serious. the second anecdote is liz cheney liz cheney now, you know, because she was cast out of the party has this freedom to speak her mind it's interesting she's a conservative person down the line it's not like she got out of the party and said oh, i've changed my views on foreign policy, i've changed my views on taxes or regulation, but what she did was she did speak out after tennessee and she said what republicans -- the lack of proposals here from the republicans is telling and she sent a tweet about that. and to me that was very revealing. right? in some ways it's sad that you can't do it while you're an elected republican but the fact that the first thing somebody, once they're cast out from the republican party, can speak out on is on democracy and guns just goes to show how clear it is that it's not a safe space, if you will, to speak ut o'on those things in the republican party

it should be i hope there are more people with courage we've lived this for eight years, though. i think we know there aren't more people with courage i think that just showed how deep it is as soon as someone leaves that corrupt system, then they can say the truth, which is that we have a gun problem, we need to actually do something about it >> we have a gun problem we need to actually do something about it see? it's not hard. but you're absolutely right. no elected republicans will do that, will utter that sentence all right. so here's what we're going to do no one's going anywhere. we have to sneak in a quick break. and we have some logistics we are trying to cover the start of this meeting in nashville the nashville metro council. the council members are expected to vote to reappoint one of those two expelled tennessee lawmakers. that's state representative justin jones protesters have been demonstrating on his behalf for his reinstatement. we'll try to get a better feed and listen in to that meeting when it starts don't go anywhere. "deadline: white house" will be right back after a quick break even deeper into parking spaces

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so whatever happens next in the state of tennessee, we do believe the nashville metropolitan council will indeed vote to reinstate former representative now justin jones. let's see if we can listen in to any of this. we'll do this together so again, there's justin jones, who they voted to expel him.

on thursday. he's leaning in to what we believe are supporters there this body, the nashville metropolitan council, has the ability to vote to reinstate him. if we can get a sense or aur audio to work while the business part of that meeting is taking place we'll dip back into it, which means i may interrupt one of my four exquisitely powerful guests today and i want to apologize in public and ahead of time before i do that. maya wily, on this collision of these two things, what tim's talking about, that while you're in the tribe, you're an elected republican, you can't tell the truth about the danger everybody faces from the proliferation of guns >> you know, i want to say that i really want to appreciate tim for saying that and also go back to the point that eddie made and michael made this notion of privatizing

death. and the shock of seeing the devastating violence that mamie till was willing to make visible despite her trauma and pain. and that is we're seeing a privatization of our politics, if we're really honest it's this dark flow of money and this way in which we have lost the ability to have a real democratic dialogue based in policies and solutions it's also about how we're privatizing all our spaces from our schools where we're told you don't like it or if the school's not good or if it's too dangerous you can opt out. and by the way, there's this notion that the danger -- too much of the danger is being attributed to black people, to latinos, you know, despite the fact of our own victimization at the hands of guns. and that's a different kind of privatization that sort of suggests we can separate from one another and not see how we're linked and not understand

that if black community leaders like mr. jones and mr. pearson are raising a concern for their constituents they're not just raising a concern for their constituents but yet they get treated as if they are the transgressors when we know there are a large number of republicans who believe there are sound gun reform policies that should be passed. but the wedging of us, the divisions that we are seeing being also driven in many instances by the national rifle association and its influence with money in our politics and the way that has even flown to our supreme court and gerrymandering our supreme court, all of these create what seem like intractable boundaries but they are not because all we have to do is decide that we're going to work across our communities for the things we agree on and in

partnership because they can't privatize all of us and they can't build walls with their private dollars that tell us to fear each other constantly when we organize the fact that we can have relationships around them and that's going to be critical if we're going to, say, give people not just permission but actually demand that they speak up for the things that represent the constituents they say that they want to represent >> let's listen in, see if there's anything we can pick up on how this vote is going to go. >> remember the lives lost and continue to pray for their families we ask that you comfort them like no one can. may their deaths not be in vain. just as it propelled the tennessee three to action, may it propel this body to do right by the voters of district 52 with our votes today today we heard of another mass shooting in kentucky several families whose lives are now shattered. we ask that you be with them, lord more than anything, we ask you

to guide our state and national leaders in taking action and enacting sensible and just gun laws amen >> amen. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america. and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> all right please join me in thanking elliott matthews from overton high school. he's a long-time boy scout [ applause ] there you go all right. obviously, everybody may be seated without objection we will suspend the calling of the roll and ask the clerk to record the names of those members present throughout the meeting for individuals watching us for the first time the six red and black ribbons in front of the clerk are in memory of the six individuals who were killed at the covenant school in nashville

two weeks ago. our hearts also go out, as council member suarez said, they go out to the people of louisville for the tragic shooting that occurred there today. starting with mayor cooper, you are recognized mr. mayor. >> well, thank you, mr. vice mayor. this afternoon's vote is unprecedented. but so was the action taken to expel members of the legislature. voters in district 52 elected justin jones to be their voice at the state house and that voice was taken away this past week so let's give them their voice back and i call on this body to vote unanimously right now to do just that thank you. [ applause ] >> and one other quick report. wally daets, metro legal director, you're recognized. >> thank you, mr. vice mayor just very briefly because we have something very important and historic to do

but i did want to update the council on the fact that we did win an injunction this afternoon. [ cheers and applause thank you. we are extremely gratified the court enjoined the application of the special rules that we argued were causing chaos in the election this year. the court ruled that those rules in that part of the statute violated the home rule amendment, the local legislation clause and the court enjoined the implementation of that part of the statute by a unanimous 3-0 opinion. so -- the other issues are reserved

there's a lot to talk about about what that means for 2027 -- >> it's not quite how a bill becomes law but there is some local business that this body is dealing with and so while we await for the vote to reinstate now former representative justin jones, i want to bring in a reporter with the "tennessee lookout," adam friedman he's been closely following today's vote adam, take us inside what's expected to happen today >> so it appears that the council will reinstate justin jones as the district 52 rep in nashville. my guess is it will come after they stop speaking hopefully shortly. and i think they'll reinstate him and he could be back as soon as this evening. they have a 5:00 floor session if they get this done quick enough he could be i guess voting tonight on any bill >> and are the republicans expected to seat him >> yes, they are so there was some rumors out there that they would try to delay this or stop him being seated but house speaker cameron

sexton came out with a pretty forceful statement as well as some in the caucus who said we're going to let him come back in as long as he follows the rules, then we're going to kick him back out it sounded like >> what is the mechanism at the local level for representative justin pearson >> so it's the same as representative jones basically, the shelby county commission, which is in charge of sort of the memphis area reps, will vote on wednesday probably to reinstate him or to pick a nominee, i guess. they haven't officially said they're going to reinstate pearson. but that's at least what is expected from the pretty much democrat majority on the shelby county commission. >> all right let's listen in for a minute they're voting now on reinstating aren't tiff justin jones. >> this special meeting of the met metro council is being held for the following purposes to announce the vacancy of the tennessee house of representatives district 52 seat to discuss council rule 49 procedures and to elect if determined by

this body is the election of an interim successor. i am hereby announcing the vacancy of the tennessee house of representatives district 52 seat council member murphy, as chair of the rules committee, you are recognized >> thank you, vice mayor i would like to move to suspend rule 49, parts 1 through 6, and to immediately take nominations from the floor and vote today to fill the vacancy >> all right are there any objections to suspending the rules seeing none, rules are suspended. [ cheers and applause all right. so in order to do this, because the rules have been suspended, we are asking anyone who wants to make a nomination to stand. council member porterfeld, you're recognized. >> thank you, vice mayor i would like to nominate representative justin jones. [ cheers and applause

>> all right council member porterfield has nominated justin jones to become the interim successor, properly seconded by council member sepulveda. are there any further nominations? seeing none, without objection nominations are closed we go back to council member porterfield. you're recognized. and you will have five minutes in which to speak. >> thank you, vice mayor colleagues, i stand as a proud resident of house district 52. on august the 4th representative justin jones earned the most votes in our democratic primary, allowing him to advance and win the general election -- >> so i don't know when the last time any of you watched a city council meeting was. they're not to be undersold in terms of where the real action is in our government eddie glaude, this is a lot more than a formality, though they've only nominated justin jones. he had his seat -- he already ran for and won his seat

it was taken from him by republicans. and this is our government in action putting him back in the body i think the real marvel is that he still wants to serve in a body that disrespected him so much, that's so misaligned with the priorities of his constituents and the state the state of tennessee had 70% of its respondents saying they would like to see mandatory background checks. the state of tennessee had as the will of its voters 65% who would like to see red flag laws passed neither of those pieces of policy are floating around the tennessee legislature. >> right i think that's -- representative jones represents the kind of leadership we need in this moment you're right why would anyone want to return to a legislative body that disrespects you in this way? but it's obvious at least from this vantage point that he's concerned about his constituency and he wants to fight for not

only a better tennessee but for a better nation. and i think that's really important. what we see here i think very clearly is those folk using the mechanisms of government to do right against those folk who are using the mechanisms of government to do wrong and i think this is really important, nicolle we are living in a society in which it seems as if it's two or three americas and republicans believe that there are a set of rules that apply to them and a set of rules that apply to those that are not them and i think it's really important for us to understand what it means to mobilize the mechanisms of government in order to respond to those folk who think the rules only play to them -- apply to them. >> eddie, let's listen i think this is the actual roll call vote. >> ready we are ready all right. so we are going to be on the board. if you are for the election of justin jones to be the interim successor for the vacancy of tennessee house district 52, you will vote aye. if not you will vote no. mr. clerk. open up the machines

votes are in mr. clerk, close the machines. take the vote. ayes 36, nos 0 no abstentions [ cheers and applause all right. so we can keep moving. justin jones -- >> michael steele, a unanimous vote there to return justin jones to the tennessee state house. >> beautiful thing, ain't it it's a beautiful thing when the people actually -- you know, when the people raise their voices and they say this is who we want, this is what we want. i really hope america pays

attention to this and understand the power you already have in your hand. our founders gave it to us these institutions and the individuals that we've elected to serve in the roles in these various institutions have grown beyond their capacity to serve and when that happens this is the check on that. when the people say no, no, no, this is the brother we want. he is the best of us that we want to send to your body. and you will respect this vote we're sending him back to you. and that's a powerful moment for justin and it will be a powerful moment for representative pearson when his community does the same. and so as we move beyond this moment we have to appreciate what the republicans did in the first instance but also understood why they did it this was their way of saying you can't get bigger than we want you to be. you can't represent your people unless you do it the way we want

you to represent it. now, we understand, you know, as citizens if you break the rules, okay, there's a price to pay but it's not expulsion and yet republicans wanted to make a point they wanted to send a message. they wanted to make sure he understoodthat we don't accept uppity black men in this chamber. you need to understand your place in the role. we get to decide your behavior, whether it's outside or inside the bounds we don't care who sent you here. we get to decide whether you stay or go and i find it interesting now that, you know, the speaker of the house making it very clear, nicolle oh, no, no, no, he can come back now if he plays by the rules, he gets to stay we hope you learned your lesson.

and that's the message and what this community just said is no, you don't understand this is the lesson you need to learn. we the people still have the power. and so it's going to be incumbent now for people to understand who really represents them at all these levels of government and take action to safeguard their democracy by sending people who are the best of them to represent what they need to have happen in their communities on their behalf at this moment. >> michael steele, i know the autocratic practices that were broadcast around the world were on display in showcasing just what you're saying, that if you don't play by my rules -- and let me just be clear i think viewers of this program know but the rule was silence the rule they broke was they refused to stay silent before all the bodies had been buried from a mass shooting so the rule that they broke was

they refused to be silent on the issue of gun safety legislation where representative justin pearson and representative justin jones are actually aligned with more tennesseans than the republicans' supermajority there. but there's also the racist reveal right? the two black men were expelled, not the other white representative, who also participated in the protest. as sick as it is that no republicans condemned the expulsions on the autocratic grounds, no republicans condemned the expulsions on racist grounds how does that land with you? >> well, i wanted to make it very clear as a republican where i stood and continue to stand with those who serve their community and are there because the people want them there and what we saw happen to both of these individuals was an affront to everything the party once stood for and certainly, you know, we can have the debates over time, you

know, how things have played out. but this was a moment for the party to -- in my view to rise above itself and recognize exactly what was going on with this legislature and what they were trying to say and what they were trying to do to these two young african american men by basically telling them sit down and be quiet and so it speaks to the very difficult position many republicans find themselves in who are still inside the party trying to break the stranglehold that this maga-ism and trumpism and this white nationalism seems to have on the party when the john birch society tried to infiltrate the party leadership rose up, nicolle, and said no. it's not who we are. and pushed it out. today the leadership is silent and in their silence they embrace it if you can't come out and condemn the use of authoritarian

tactics that have not just undertones but blatant racism attached to them, i mean, this idea, nicolle, that oh yeah, we didn't kick out the white woman because she didn't use a bullhorn on the floor? that was the reasoning wait, so -- oh, that's what it takes to stay safe in that moment you can keep your seat as long as you don't use a bullhorn? that's the thing that tweaks you off so much that you're going to kick them out? you can't smack them on the hand and reprimand them no, we've got to kick your ass out because you used a bullhorn? oh, and she gets to stay because she didn't well, she clarified the moment she says i'm a 60-year-old white woman, that's why they didn't kick me out. and so if a party can't speak to that truth, what does it tell you? what does it say and what is the party saying to the country? so you're going to come to my

neighborhood now and want to have a conversation with black folks about voting for you how are you going to start that conversation when they -- when the 18 to 20-year-old black man or girl raises their hand and goes, could you tell me why you were quiet on this? i don't know that's their question to answer, not mine i know where i am. i know where i stand >> tim miller. >> sorry >> no, no, no. i could listen to you for the whole two hours. tim, when the extremism was of the radical islamic foreign variety, there was nothing that the republican party wouldn't do to protect the american people and the american homeland from it the extremism on abortion is now out of step with the plurality of republicans the extremism on voting is out of step. the extremism on all of these issues, on guns, is out of step, not just with democrats and independents and women and young people and minorities but with

republicans. i don't know what breaks the fever. clearly nothing. but how many losses do you think the sort of -- i mean, what do you think collapses sort of the professional republican operative class? >> some people -- i've got tsa pre. some people are still taking off their shoes because of the response to the -- >> because of the shoe bomber. >> we're still doing that 20 years later. and we can't do anything about guns i think the extreme example shows you when their incentives are aligned differently, when their financial incentives are aligned differently people all of a sudden can come to their senses and say the truth you know, i can speak to plenty of people that i interviewed for the book about -- who had left the republican party who all see things very clearly when it comes to guns and schools. it doesn't mean they want gun confiscation or the perfect --

we can all have a disagreement or agreement on what the exact right thing to do is to respond to the guns. but at least they can acknowledge there's a problem. we should have some level of restrictions we need to deal with this. because our problem is so great. but as long as the money is good, as long as the primary electorate is demanding that you give in to the far right and to the maga right on everything, i don't think the republican political class is going to do anything and just one example, if you don't mind me slightly changing topics but very related here in tennessee it just shows you an example of this. when you were saying earlier about how you were covering a shooting and then another shooting happens, you almost can't keep up with it, well, more evidence of this is there was in tennessee over the weekend the founder of a media outlet called the tennessee holler, which is an independent journalism outlet that does great work that i've been following for a while, his house was shot up. he put out this statement.

on saturday night, someone targeted our home by shooting several bullets into our house while my family was sleeping this is justin canoe he has two small kids. there is so much insanity happening. there are so many mass shootings, so many authoritarian efforts in tennessee that a journalist's house could get shot up. we don't know the motive, but i think you can have a lot of assumptions given what's happening in tennessee, that a journalist's house can get shot up and can't even break through. when the old steve bannon line that we're going to try to flood the zone with you know what. if you're flooding the zone with crap all the time, then that gives you cover to not have to deal with any of these particular things, right that prevents any republicans from having to break on any specific thing and that is why it's up to journalists and democrats and people like us, especially to have to hold them on each of these accounts they're trying to hide from reporters right now when it

comes to speaking about the two black men who were kicked out of the tennessee legislature. they don't want to have to answer to the fact that a journalist's house got shot up they don't want to deal with these mass shootings their feet need to be held to the fire and it's not as much progress as anybody wants, but you can see it in the numbers there is a reason why the republicans are on a pretty long losing streak right now. over the past three or four cycles, and part of itis their anti-democratic efforts, but their extremism on this issue and abortion and others is another part of the pie there. but obviously, to get things done, it needs to be not incremental. it needs to be more. >> tim, say more about that. i mean, i -- there is nothing that democrats at a policy level are doing wrong, but there are tactics, aren't there, that could be borrowed on the issues where you've got 85 and 93% of the public, which is where the public is on background checks

and in their opposition to some of the extreme abortion bans they're putting in place when you've got that kind of public support, would you like to see democrats be more aggressive in their political tactics, tim >> yeah, i mean, i think on abortion, look, you're seeing the progress already we had the wisconsin supreme court race last week, and seeing how republicans are the ones that are suffering there i think democrats could be more on offense on guns i was listening to chairman steele in the last segment talked about how there could be parents and people with these obligations could show the images, which is such a tough thing to ask and i get that but from a democratic campaign point, i think you could be more provocative and more aggressive on the gun issue when it comes to advertising, when it comes to going on offense on issues that are very popular parents don't want 18-year-olds to be able to get ar-15s that's a 10% issue, 15% issue.

there are provocative ads that could be run about school shootings that i think a lot of times democrats are rightly cautious you don't want to backfire, no pun intended and the gun issue is one where the democrats have gotten snake bit in the past, right you can overstep to a place where it's not as popular of an issue, maybe on gun confiscation, for example. when it comes to red flag loss, when it comes to school shootings, when it comes to the 21 age limit or higher for that matter on getting high capacity weapons, i think there is a lot of room for the democrats to be more provocative, more aggressive, more on their front foot on this issue in a way that might work better than it has in the past just because of the reality we're all living through. >> maya, we're watching the other side of our screen, a man literally and figuratively embraced by his community, sent back to a body that disrespected him and expelled him for the --

i don't know even know what to call it, for stepping out of line, for standing with his constituents, frankly, for standing with all of their constituents because they won't. 71% of all tennesseeans before the mass shooting at an elementary school were for background check laws. none is floating through that body 65% were for red flag laws so that's where justin jones and justin pearson stand on the policy of guns they actually stand with tennesseeans while the republicans do not >> absolutely true, nicolle, but i would even take it one step further is that what the republicans in that state legislature did was actually insult and undermine every single consistent in representative jones' district and that's what made it so offensive. and that is also what made it -- michael steele said it, and i'm going to repeat it

it was about the negro got out of line, the black man got out of line. and i think that message was well understood by the constituents and by so many others who said, you know, whatever i think or feel about any single particular policy issue, i know that what coach popovich said was true, that america ain't what we thought it was. it has changed and the truth is that the republican party right now, part of what we're seeing is it's assassinating itself just as abraham lincoln was assassinated, doing it metaphorically by essentially instead of standing up for its better angels, it's actually saying we're going to give in to the demons and the reality is most of us aren't going to stand for it and i just want to say this one thing, nicolle, because what that vote did was say we will

continue to voice our beliefs. we will continue to send our electives back to you. there will be a special election we are, i predict going to see a very heavy turnout in that election, because what happens when those demons come from our better angels is that the angels get organized. >> we're going to have to leave it right there tim miller, michael steele, maya wiley and adam freeman thank you all so much for standing time with us on this extraordinary day of news. a quick break for us we'll be right back.

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