tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC April 10, 2023 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT
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hard-core conspiracy theorists everybody knows somebody who believes some of the stuff what do you do for them? how do you tell people, what's your version of don't believ everything you see on th internet >> i mean, i think it's more creating a connection with the people who these conspirac theories are about regular people, even schoo shooting victims parents, have said, i once watched ale jones. i once believed in conspirac theories what you can make a personal connection with a person who's at the center of this, once yo can see the harm that thes things do, then, maybe you'l be hesitant to share something like that next time. >> one only hope thanks for the great work that you do, always, brandi we appreciate you so much. brandy zadrozny, senio reporter, you can list of that exclusive interview with tiffany dover, by scanning tha q r code on your screen and by searching tiffany dover is dead wherever you get your podcast. that's it for this monday night, rachel maddow snow reall starts right right now good evening, rachel
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and the response to such calls from the republican stat legislature, in the republican governor has been thus far t just keep getting rid of law around guns, to keep getting them more and more prevalent and more more places, giving them to more and more people who previously, under othe laws, would not have bee allowed. to have them and that was the context a wee and a half ago, when three democratic state legislators some middle aged white women and two young black men, the three of them got wowed on the floor of the state legislature
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essentially, cheering on kid in the gallery who had come to peacefully, but very loudly, protest. that state legislature, only acting to make things worse, i terms of gun violence. even after that elementary school massacre in nashville you see the three stat legislators there, in th front. you see them there that picture, political headline as the whole country now i well aware, the republican dominated tennessee stat legislature that voted to expe the two young black male legislators who participated i that protest, they decided simultaneously, they would allow the white female legislator to keep her seat, weird. tonight, she was the one at th door of the state legislature, welcoming one of those young men back into his seat justin jones, the represents parts of nashville, wa unanimously selected by th nashville metro council tonight, to retake his own seat in th legislature. to become his own interi
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successor until a specia election can be held t permanently fill the seat from which he was expelled, he says he will run in that specia election as well to permanently retake his seat justin jones selected to refil his seat temporarily, by a 3 to nothing he says he will run in that special election as well to permanently retake his seat. justin jones selected to refill his seat temporarily by a 36-0 unanimous vote at the metro council in nashville tonight. upon receiving that vote to reinstate him, he immediately joined with protesters outside too much backup to the tennessee state capital whereupon his colleague, gloria johnson, met him at the door and he walked inside and he retook his seat. that happened tonight. newly receded representative justin jones is going to join us here live on this show tonight in just a few minutes. you will want to be there for that. i should tell you, the young
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legislator who was expelled by the republicans, justin pearson, it is expected that he is going to be retaking his seat in the legislature. he will be selected as his own interim selector by the county council in memphis where he's from. that expected the day after tomorrow on wednesday once he too is reinstated we will see if the republicans try to throw them out again since they are coming back. but as i said representative justin jones is going to be here live with us tonight. we've got a camera going to him at the capitol in tennessee in just a few minutes. you will want to see that. meanwhile, in news from gilead, we are also going live tonight to the governor of massachusetts, maura healey. she's just made a dramatic announcement in massachusetts about what her state is doing. what her government is doing in response to the radical term that the american political right has just taken on up portion.
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i don't use the phrase radical turned there lightly or loosely. it really, specifically, and in a considered way. as an example to support my choice of that phrase, i submit to you some of the current headlines right now in the great state of iowa. look at this. iowa stops paying for victims, morning-after pills, and abortions. this is an actual headline from a state that has american women living in it. until now, if a woman was in the state of iowa and she came forward to the police to report that she had been raped, the law enforcement would kick in and she would he provided a medical examination without cost to her and care for her
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injuries and care for other potential consequences of her sexual assault. including preventive care for any sexually transmitted diseases, and also emergency contraception to prevent any pregnancy occurring as a result of the rape. until recently , that was the standard. iowa now has a new republican attorney general and under republican rule in iowa, the state has decided they will no longer give you emergency contraception in this circumstance. because as far as republicans are concerned in iowa it is their preference that you be forced to bear the baby now. this goes beyond iowa. the new law is not only that a rape victim will no longer be provided an abortion if impregnated in the case of a rape, she will also not be provided emergency contraception. think about that for a second. emergency contraception is not
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abortion. it literally prevents a pregnancy from occurring if taken in the immediate aftermath of intercourse, including, in this instance, rape. so for rape victims specifically, the fact that you have republican governance in your state, that means that as of now, the state no longer wants to prevent a pregnancy from occurring is the result of rape. they want you to be forced to bear the pregnancy and the child against her will, after you have been raped even though it is within their power to stop that. and before this policy change, the state regularly took steps to stop it. they are going to change that policy because they would rather you bear that pregnancy and the rapists baby against your will . and it is the choice of republicans in state government to insist upon that for you despite what you want after you have been raped.
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iowa, a red state, where still, as a red state, 61% of the public wants abortion to be legal in some or all cases. not only has the government there criminalized abortion, they are going after contraception and specifically targeting victims to start the targeting of contraception. you cannot abort a pregnancy once it happens even if it happens as a result of rape . the state will no longer assist you with that as a rape victim, nor can you prevent a pregnancy from occurring by using emergency contraception. the state will no longer help you with that either. this is not just something they are doing for the whole -- they are specifically targeting rape victims. so the phrase radical turn is a considered phrase. i do not use it lightly. in idaho, consider that republicans passed a law late
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last week that threatens you with two to five years in prison if you help someone under the age of 18 leave the state to get an abortion. you have to leave the state of idaho if you want to get an abortion because they have realized abortion there but helping someone do so now is a new crime. they are calling it abortion trafficking and it is two to five years in prison if they do it. you would think in the united states of america the state could pass a law banning you as an american from traveling to another state but that is the idaho republican idea of freedom now. they are also going to try to use the law to bring criminal charges against the doctors who provide an abortion in another state if that abortion is provided to a young woman who has traveled there from idaho. one of the states that has a border with idaho's washington state where abortion is legal. that states governor wrote a letter a few days ago to idaho's republican governor brad little.
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jay inslee, the democratic governor from washington to brad little, the republican governor of idaho on the right side of your screen. the letter to brad little for most of the letter tells him what a bad idea it is for idaho to pass this new law but then the governor says to him at the end of the letter, this. we welcome idaho's patients and healthcare providers with open arms here in washington but no mistake, the laws of another state that seek to punish anyone in washington for lawful actions taken in washington will not stand. we will protect our providers and we will harbor and comfort your resident who seek health care services that are denied to them in idaho. we will harbor and comfort your people. who need to flee your state in order to get care here. and you will not be arresting our doctors and nurses and pharmacists, my friend.
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radical turn in deed. washington is also the state where the attorney general led a federal lawsuit. you might have seen this last week. it made a big national news for important reasons but it was a group of democratic attorney generals led by the democratic attorney general in washington who filed a federal lawsuit about the legality of the abortion pill. that is how most abortions are done in this country. surgical abortions are very safe. medication abortions using the so-called abortion pill are even safer than surgical abortions and that's how most abortions in the country are done. last week when a conservative judge in texas tried to make the abortion pill illegal nationwide when he% tried to resend fda approval for that drug, more than 20 years after the fact, despite dozens and dozens of scientifically sound studies finding that it is safer than tylenol or penicillin, when he tried to resend fda approval 20 years after the fact for that
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drug, it was that competing lawsuits that democrats have filed in federal court in washington that resulted in a nearly simultaneous federal court ruling that went in the other direction and this was very confusing in the initial moments when it happened on friday but the bottom line is actually easy to understand and very important. on one side you've got the republican lawsuit in texas which says the abortion pill will now be illegal everywhere. the fda's approval of that drug is hereby rescinded by me, one brand-new judge in texas. that was the republican side. on the other side you've got the democrat lawsuit in washington state that says the abortion pill remains legal and the fda is locking -- excuse me, the fda is blocked from making any sort of change to existing approval of that drug. so you've got two totally opposite rulings, simultaneously from two courts
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of equal stature. the republican ruling telling the fda approval of this drug is rescinded. the drug is no longer legal in america. democratic lawsuits saying, hey, fda, your approval of that drug stands. you cannot change anything about it. those two rulings laid down simultaneously by judges of equal stature in two different laces. because of that, this is likely going to the supreme court and god knows what's going to happen there, but in the meantime nobody knows what's going to happen to the abortion pill, to the means by which most abortions happen in this country giving these competing rulings. and today there was court action in both of those cases today. the republican case in texas and the democratic case in washington. but i mentioned a moment ago that we are going to have the massachusetts democratic governor maura healey here in a moment.
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the reason we are going to be speaking with governor healy in a moment is because part of the response to all of this right now, part of the response to the radical turn on the right, on abortion rights right now is that maura healey and other governors and gavin newsom and other governors around the country are now moving very quickly to try to get ahead of what republicans and conservative judges are trying to do because republicans are not just trying to ban abortion and criminalize abortion. they even go after contraception in all the states where they control the state government. they are trying to do it nationwide in blue states too. they are trying to do it even in states where there is democratic governance and where people have voted through their representatives to make sure abortion stays legal. so democratic governors are trying to move to defense mode. and what that has meant, very quickly, just in the last few days is that democratic-led states governors have moved to literally stockpile these
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abortion pills before the republicans really can try to ban them everywhere. at a statehouse press conference today in boston, maura healey announced an executive order to protect massachusetts doctors and pharmacists from prosecution by red states and also to announce a mass bulk purchase of abortion pills by the massachusetts state governments. >> abortion will remain safe, legal, and accessible here in massachusetts. at my request, the university of massachusetts agreed to purchase 50,000 doses. that is enough, that is sufficient to ensure coverage for well over a year. this order was placed before the judges ruling and we expect to have the doses in hand this
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week. it's terrible. it is terrible and i would say it is unprecedented but for the fact that we saw supreme court last year reverse roe v. wade. but the good news here is that we are not going to tolerate this. >> we are not going to tolerate this. maura healey speaking today in boston. she said we are going to make sure we stay the course in massacsehutts and ride this out. if you come here to mess with our rights or our freedoms we are going to take you on. governor maura healey joins us live here next. stay with us. (wheezing) asthma isn't pretty. it's the moment when you realize that a good day...
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in the wake of the decision by a judge in texas to try to effectuate a nationwide ban on% one of the medications used for most abortions in this country, democratic governors in multiple states are now taking emergency action to try to make their states havens somehow. trying to preserve abortion rights in these states even as republicans try every way they can for what amounts to a de facto nationwide ban affecting all american women. at a press conference today massachusetts governor maura
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healey said her administration has been preparing for that ruling for some time now. she said the state just not enough doses of the drug in question to last more than a year. in addition to building this state stockpile, which several democratic states are now doing, governor healy announced today a new executive order shielding massachusetts doctors from republican-controlled states, like the latest example, idaho, where they say they want to prosecute doctors outside their borders for providing abortions to women who want them. governor healy's orders today would protect massachusetts providers from other states around the country who want to come in and prosecute massachusetts healthcare providers. during a press conference today, a reporter asked governor healy if she was worried about these actions and court and this is how she responded. >> no, i'm not concerned about litigation. i want to be clear.
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this is the foundation of our country's democracy. this is bed rock and if you come here to mess with our rights or freedoms, we are going to take you on. we are not going to stand for that. >> joining us now is massachusetts governor maura healey. thank you for making time to be with us tonight. >> is great to be with you. >> tell me about the practicalities of this decision about the drug. you asked them at the university of massachusetts to buy thousands of doses of this drug and have them in hand before this texas ruling goes into effect which could ban the distribution of the drug nationwide. tell us how it would work for the state to control a stockpile of that drug. >> as you know, the battle to protect abortion is really being waged in the states and democratic governors, myself included, are stepping up to protect women's freedom. my goal here and the goal of the last few weeks was number one to make sure we had enough
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doses available to cover as many women as we needed to cover in the state or coming into the state. and number two, to take action, to be clear to providers and prescribers. this insurance and we are going to make sure that business as usual continues here in massachusetts. that's why we requested our state university, were very proud of the university of massachusetts who step forward for this purchase. we have that in hand. it will be available. we've also worked with our terrific network of hospitals. massachusetts is home to so many great healthcare institutions who are also buying the drug and we will make sure that anyone who needs it has that available to them. >> massachusetts is a medical hub for the nation and the world. people literally come from all over the world to get the highest and medical care available anywhere here in the baystate. and i wonder, given the
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reputation for excellence and the predominance -- not the predominance but the prevalence of such excellent care and good medical providers in this state, i wonder if you have specific fears about where a state like yours is most vulnerable in terms of republican states and republican political actors and conservative judges trying to effectuate a de facto national ban on these procedures. obviously there's the question of whether they will pursue it through federal legislation but there's other ways they can approach it to try to cross the boundaries and get into states, even where you wanted to be safe and try to take it away through backdoor means. where do you think the biggest vulnerabilities lie? >> for the last eight years i was attorney general here in massachusetts defending women's access to reproductive health care and taking on the trump administration time and time
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again. we've seen this before. i understand the fear out there and what this is causing in terms of real havoc across this country, but it's all the more reason why we have to be really strong here. i'm so proud of massachusetts. we believe in healthcare and science. we are home to fabulous research institutions. we protect reproductive freedom and freedom. we hope we will see more states come forward and enact the same protections that we have enacted here to make sure that women get access to the health care that they need and i also say to the rest of the country, come to massachusetts. we are a great state. great place to live and earn a living and grow a family and we are going to protect your freedom. and that matters right now as we see the specter of so many states. you just recounted earlier in % the show of what is happening and it's a product of the ballot box. it's the product of too many extremists and zealots out there. even in our courts right now.
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but the solution to that is yes at the ballot box but right now on the ground in the states making sure that we band together and be really clear. today i use my executive authority a as governor of the commonwealth of massachusetts. i'm proud to be able to do that. women here are protected and our providers and prescribers are protected and i am positive that we will see more and more governors and state leaders all across the country step up because the majority of americans believe in this. it's common sense. and the other point here that isn't getting enough attention but is very important to me in a state that rely so much on life sciences, the global epicenter for life-sciences, what this court did or what the supreme court might do, to the fda, the idea that a judge is going to undermine years of scientific expertise to further x lloyd in an effort to gain political ground is just
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outrageous. it's crazy. that's why i said what i said today and it's also, more importantly why we took the action that we did today. >> i'm really glad that you mentioned that. i feel like fda approval is an idea that seems esoteric to most americans. we take it for granted. but it's the bed rock benchmar . it's the thing that everybody in drug development everywhere in the world aims toward in terms of wringing new therapies to markets and bringing new cures for new diseases to market. bringing anything to market. it's to get fda approval that something is safe and effective and it's a safe and effective detection by the fda can be flipped or thrown out by a judge saying i don't like this because of my extremist religious view is, that does undermine the basic idea of the united states of america and the fda in particular being the sort of gatekeeper in sort of what drugs and therapies in medical interventions are safe
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for people to use. it seems like a fundamental challenge to who we are in the world and how we function in public health. >> which is why i can't stand the idea that a drug that has been approved by the fda for 20 years, the gold standard, could suddenly be turned aside. it's ridiculous. think about what that does to investment and venture and life- sciences. this obviously can't stand. but more than that, my heart goes out to women across this country who are going to have to suffer for days and eeks and months. some won't even be able to get access to care. i want to be really clear to women all across this country that there are people out there who hear you and see you and will do everything we can to fight to make sure that your rights and freedoms are protected. they may not be right now in the state you are living in but know that other states like massachusetts are out there. public, private sector,
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nonprofit, community, united in continuing to advocate for your freedoms and we will do everything we can to protect women who come here to massachusetts for that needed care. >> massachusetts governor maura healey. thank you for your time tonight. i know this is just the beginning. i look forward to having you back. thanks. >> we've got much more ahead tonight. tonit ghreinstated representative justin jones is going to join us live here next. you are going to want to see this. stay with us. voya. well planned. well invested. well protected.
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it happened within the course of about an hour or so across two different states of government. first in the city of nashville and then in the state capital. this is what it looked like. this was late today when tennessee legislator justin jones was recently expelled from the state legislature by republicans. this is what it looked like today over the course of an hour when he retook his seat. >> thank you, vice mayor. i would like to nominate representative justin jones. >> mr. clark, close the machines and take the vote. 36. >> yeah!
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♪ ♪ >> no explosion or attempt to silence us will stop us. it will galvanize and strengthen our movement and we will continue to show up in the people's house. power to the people. >> just last week, republicans in the tennessee legislature voted to expel two young men of color for participating in a protest against gun violence at the capital. they committed the grave crime of being loud with other protesters. among other things, that
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extreme action by republicans to expel them as legislators meant technically that local government in both of those two men's districts would have to appoint somebody to fill those empty seats in the interim until there can be a special election. well, fine then. today, the national metro council appointed justin jones to be his own replacement in the legislature. they voted to send him back to the seat from which he was just expelled. the vote was 36 yes, zero no. less than an hour later, justin jones had been sworn in again as a member of the tennessee state legislature in front of tons of people who showed up to the capital to cheer him on. by 6:30 p.m. he had marched arm in arm with those supporters to the doors of the legislature to take his seat. now a duly appointed member of the state legislature.
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we expect the county government in memphis, in shelby county to take a vote on reinstalling the other member, justin pearson. joining us live from tennessee is the newly reinstated representative, justin jones. thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you so much, rachel. >> i have to imagine that with everything you've been through the last few days, this had to of been an emotional evening. how are you feeling and how does it feel to be back in that chamber? >> well, it has definitely been an emotional past few days but i'm hopeful. i'm hopeful that we are seeing the resurrection of reconstruction here in the south , that the decision made on thursday, that the decision,
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the unconstitutional decision was not the final decision but the people of my county government and my district spoke and i'm honored to be % representing them because my concern was that district 52, over 78,000 people would not have a voice. to be able to walk into that chamber today and cast a vote for my district and for the people who sent me there to be their voice. >> you spoke with my colleagues over the weekend. i heard that interview and it was interesting to hear you talk with her about concerns about despite the fact that your local county government is effectively reinstalling you and making you your own interim successor, there were worries that attorneys from the speaker were threatening that you might not be receded until next session. there were worries that republicans in the legislature would seek to expel you again and throw you out again on the same grounds as before. are those concerns gone now? are those matters settled? >> that is yet to be determined.
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i'm grateful that my attorney, one of whom includes attorney jeremy holder, sent a letter to the house speaker informing them that they do not want the any obstruction of represented people of district 52. sent a letter to put them on notice that we would respond if that was the case. i think that had a big impact on the speaker as well as the thousands of people gathered here today. gathered from the metro courthouse to the legislature to let them know that the world is watching and we are not going to allow attacks on democracy to happen. we are still calling for action on common sense gun laws. that's what this was all about in the beginning. the speaker's threats against the democracy are being met with this resurrection of a movement for democracy happening here in nashville and i think it will have reverberations across the south. >> after you were sworn in again today, i know that you called for the speaker, speaker
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sexton, to resign for having orchestrated this and also for his lack of action or progressive action when it comes to gun violence. is that something that you are going to continue to push for? do you have any sense that the speaker may actually regret the decision to expel you and your colleague given the response that it has had in recent days? there's thousands of people in a multiracial multigenerational display today out there to support you. >> the house speaker, there was a different energy in the capital today and i was on the elevator with the member who filed the explosion papers against me and i asked him, did you learn anything from this experience and he was silent. this is a time of reflection for the republican leadership that they were so drunk and arrogant with power that they have been humbled to say that their attacks may have been successful in the past but this is a new day, and a new time in
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tennessee and there's a new movement rising up. the south will rise anew. the house speaker will join with the coalition of people across the state calling for his recognition because he is the greatest enemy to democracy but more importantly what we are calling for is the restoration of democracy in the people's house. we don't need a speaker who shuts off microphones who cuts off members from speaking, and who won't let us vote. we have a speaker who represents the opposite of democracy which is autocracy and he is not fit to serve in that role. i'm calling for his resignation. >> tennessee state representative justin jones newly reinstalled in his seat today by vote of county counsel who has appointed him his own successor which has a little poetry in it that seems resonant given your eloquence as a representative for your constituents and advocate for thcae uses that are closer to you. good luck to you. thank you, sir.
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building. that's my bank. i know there are steps that the police department is taking to do things better after a recent report but we certainly saw the very best from them today and i want to thank them and all our other law enforcement officers for responding and doing their best to try to save some of my friends and many others. thank you all. >> thank them for responding% and doing their best to try to save some of my friends. that was kentucky governor andy beshear speaking today. it is a remarkable thing that it was statistically inevitable given the number of mass shootings we have in the country today. today the governor of the state with the latest shooting happened had to announce that he personally knew multiple victims in this gun massacre in downtown louisville. governor bashir said one of the people killed today was one of the governor's closest friends. he said tommy elliott helped me build my law career and become governor. he gave me advice on being a good dad.
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he's one of the people i talk to most in the world. look at this. florida senator rick scott, republican senator rick scott of florida also tweeted his condolences to tommy elliott's family saying he also considered mr. elliott a friend and someone he had known for many years. as we've come on the air tonight, the death toll in today's mass shooting in louisville has climbed. i said at the top of the hour that of the 13 people were shot today, four of them have died. since we've been on the air another one of the people has sakuma succumbed to their wounds. it's now five people dead and eight more injured. in addition to tommy elliott, the other victims are james, joshua, giuliana, and dana eckert whose name was just confirmed by local police a short time ago. among the eight other people
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there is a 26-year-old police officer among them named nicholas wilt police department. he was shot in the head when responding to the incident. he underwent surgery this morning. he is in critical but stable condition. i should tell you, he had only been on the job for 10 days when he reported to work this morning. according to local police, officers responded on the scene in three minutes after they first were alerted to the shooting. they exchanged gunfire with the suspect. police have confirmed that the shooter was an employee of the bank. they also confirmed that he live streamed his attack today on social media which is a thing they do now. the mayor of louisville, craig greenberg himself survived a shooting last year. a gunman entered his office on valentine's day last year and opened fire directly at him. very nearly shot himself. the bullet went through the
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sweatshirt he was wearing without hitting him. a miracle. the mayor thanks the police officers for their actions today and called today's actions an evil act of gun violence. as i noted at the top of the show, as police responded to the shooting at the bank in downtown louisville, other police officers had to peel off because there was another deadly shooting two miles away. less than two miles away at jefferson community and technical college. these two incidents, while simultaneous and less than two miles apart were otherwise not related because this is how we americans live now. two shootings, one after another less than two miles apart. six people dead in the two of them. this is business as usual for many of us including the governor, probably having known a victim of gun violence by now.
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