for charging only since it prevents data from sending also better to use an ac electrical outlet rather than a usb port the gold standard, carrying a power board to avoid public ones all together >> thank you so much for that. word to the wise that's going to do it for us this hour, but make sure to join us every weekday 1:00 eastern time here on msnbc you're going to want to stay tuned because our coverage continues with katy tur's interview with the louisville mayor, craig greenberg, about the aftermath from yesterday's shooting he had a lot to say in the press conference earl yier today. katy tur reports starts right now. good to be with you. sooner or later it catches up to everybody. those words from the chief

medical officer in louisville today hit. yesterday it was a bank. a few weeks ago, it was a private christian school before that, a supermarket another school a college. a bar. a church a warehouse. a walmart. a parade a lunar new year celebration the list is so long i couldn't go through it in this hour alone. there are so many shootings in the country that it'sno longer uncommon to hear someone say that this shooting is their second brush with death. or that they've been through something just like this before. we heard it from students at michigan state and we heard it from the mayor of louisville himself a target of gun violence last year. >> we have to take action now. we need short-term action. to end this gun violence epidemic now so fewer people die on our streets. and in our banks

and in our schools and in our churches. and for that, we need help we need help from our friends in frankfurt and help from our friends in washington, d.c this isn't about partisan politics this is about life and death this is about preventing tragedies. you may think this will never happen to you. never happen to any of your friends. or loved ones. i used to think that the sad truth is that now no one in our city, no one in our state, no one in our country has that luxury anymore. >> last night after multiple surgeries, another victim died the fifth person to lose their life because an unstable person legally bought an ar 15 last

week and decided to kill his co-workers deanna eckert was 57 years old today in a news conference, officials said they were still investigating a motive they confirmed the suspect live streamed the shooting on instagram but would not confirm reports that he texted a friend that he was suicidal and was going to shoot up a bank and how many rounds the suspect fired. details that the chief officer i quoted a moment ago said hardly made a difference to what has become normal in his workday. >> i've been in louisville for 15 years at olivet university hospital i've cared for victims of violence and gun shot wounds an people say i'm tired it's more than tired i'm weary. there's only so many times you can walk into a room and tell someone they're not coming home tomorrow and it just breaks your

heart when you hear someone screaming mommy or daddy, it just becomes too hard day in and day out to be able to do that. >> joining me now is the mayor of louisville, mayor craig greenberg who we said a moment ago himself was the target of gun violence we're so happy you're okay, sir, and thank you for being here we just got word that the body cam footage from the officer is going to be released at 5:00 p.m. today have you gotten a look at it can you tell us what it will show >> i just recently reviewed the body cam footage i saw some other footage late yesterday and it is a reflection of the here oism and bravery of our first responders that got there in several minutes time and were able to eventually neutralize the suspect, the shooter, and they are the true heroes along with dr. smith and the other medical professionals

that are his colleagues at university health hospital that you just showed. >> he said he was weary. he said his days much like the day that he had yesterday. that taking those shooting victims, they barely had to rearrange the schedule in the or because they're so used to that sort of violence in your city. i know you talked about getting a handle on it as the mayor was part of what you campaigned on closing a bunch of loopholes et cetera, making illegal guns harder to get. getting them off the street. this guy bought this weapon legally. he went into a gun store last week he bought an ar 15 legally. he planned this and did this shooting yesterday and there was nothing there to stop him from what you know about the shooter, would a red flag law at the very least have helped >> it may have we're still trying to learn more about the shooter and his motives and all the circumstances to this.

we have to do something though whether it's red flag laws or other things we cannot do nothing nothing is not a strategy. it's not working whether it's in louisville, nashville, in other cities and towns across our country, people are dying every day in mass shootings. they're dying every day in other individual shootings we have to do something. and that's why i'm calling on legislators in frankfurt, our kentucky state capital i'm calling on legislators in the house and senate in washington to join me in finding some solutions here so we can try something. >> what is something is that get rid of assault weapons? getting rid of ar 15s? >> in kentucky what i'm asking the state legislators to help us do here in louisville, we are dealing with a gun violence epidemic two things one, to give us local autonomy over how we can reduce the amount of violent crime in our city right now, we do not have that

option under kentucky state law. in fact, i would be a criminal if i took action against guns and against cracking down on illegal guns under kentucky law. that's ludicrous and dangerous i'm asking for local autonomy to make local decisions if people care about protecting officers like officer whit and galloway that heroically responded to the scene yesterday and had to face an assailant with an assault rifle, give us local control. number two, in kentucky right now under our state law, we are required to turn over confiscated weapons like the weapon we recovered yesterday from the shooter we're required to turn them over to the state police who will in turn auction them off and they will end up back on the streets. to think that this weapon that killed five people yesterday in louisville is going to be back

on the streets is unfathomable we have to do something and so i am asking my state legislators in kentucky give us the authority to destroy illegal guns to destroy guns that have been used to commit violent acts of crime so at a minimum, those guns are not used again to commit another act of violent crime like we're seeing far too often. >> you're a democrat in a red state. what is going to be the compromise what are your constituents want? what sort of pressure will they put on their lawmakers is that what needs to happen or do you think that lawmakers can come together and find a compromise >> i think both. i've already spoken to republican elected officials here in louisville that are elected to our city council. that are elected to our state house of representatives anned we are going to be getting together in the coming days to talk about just that to talk about where are areas

that we can work together. this is not about partisan politic politics to me this is about life and death so where can we make some progress? i'm not looking to blame i'm not going to be finger pointing, calling out people by names. >> what is the tipping point is it a number of people that have to die? the victims being friends with a number of prominent lawmakers including your governor, one of the senators from florida? is that when it's going to affect the individuals currently in power is that what needs to happen in order for lawmakers to start to rethink this >> i hope that's not what it takes, katy. i hope it doesn't take for people to be impacted personally as i have now on multiple occasions. just over a year ago, an individual walked into my campaign office and fired five shots directly at me from close range. i'm fortunate.

i survived five people yesterday in louisville did not survive others were injured. we have an officer who is still fighting for life in his hospital i lost a close friend yesterday. it shouldn't have to take gun violence impacting someone as closely as it has impacted me for people to understand this is everywhere this is too much if you're in elected office, why are you there if you're not going to work together to try to save lives and prevent more tragedy? why are you in an elected office i'm hopeful. i'm hopeful that at least with our elected officials here in louisville regardless of their party, we can work together in the face of this tragedy we can come together. >> let me ask you one more question do we know anything more, can you tell us anything more about this shooter anything that his parents might have said about him? anything about his statement was he getting therapy

anything that would help us understand why he decided to buy this gun and kill his colleagues >> i don't have that information at this time we were able to confirm this morning that the shooter was an employee, current employee of the bank so he was there at his workplace. but beyond that, we are doing a lot of investigative work together and we'll continue to do that in the coming days just like we're releasing body cam footage later this afternoon, we'll continue to release information as it becomes available. >> mayor of louisville, thank you very much for joining us i do appreciate it craig greenberg, mayor of louisville, thank you. joining me now is morgan chesky who's in louisville and ken dilanian morgan, got a lot of that detail from the mayor just now, but what can you tell us about what's happening on the ground there? what are people telling you about what they want to see next

>> reporter: i think they want to see motive. i think they want to learn more into what possessed this 25-year-old to walk into this bank behind me and open fire yesterday morning around 8:30 a.m. right as everyone was beginning their week with coffee and conference call. that's when witnesses say they heard the gunfire ring out this was a shooting that has left a city struggling to find its next steps here. i should point out to everyone that the nashville shooting was two weeks ago and nashville was then now we're in louisville. that's not lost on a lot of the people here. the frequency feels like it's increasing not to mention the proximity to nashville, which is where i drove in from. so i think just finding out more details about what led to this horrific tragedy is what a lot of people are looking for but they're also trying to find a way to wrap their hearts and heads around how they've become the latest city in this infamous list of places across our

country that have been afflicted by this epidemic i can tell you right now that -- >> i was just going to say you were covering the fallout from the nashville shooting when you got called away to go cover this shooting in louisville >> reporter: i was supporting colleagues there as they were doing that, but you're absolutely right it's not lost on me that in a few months, we'll have the one-year anniversary, i hesitate to say that word, from the shooting in uvalde where i arrived just hours after that took place there's certainly a sense of helplessness to some degree. you heard the mayor say earlier today that 40 people have lost their lives as a result of gun violence in louisville he pointed out to you, he's not even asking for specific policies here. just for the autonomy for the city here to chart their own course in handling what has become an issue that has now left five lives lost over the last 24 hours here

keep manyin mind we still have 26-year-old officer nicholas wilt in critical condition in a nearby hospital. we know that that emergency brain surgery went about as well as it could and that he's stable, but there is still an incredibly long road of recovery there. it is good news to know that some of those patients who were wounded have been released from the hospital but as more details come to light, it will be very telling to see how the city moves forward. >> in terms of changing the laws and making it tougher, if you're going to talk about what they can do in kentucky, ken dilanian, there's a whole lot because there are almost no laws on the books there when it comes the guns >> that's right. viewers may have been puzzled about something the mayor said he said i would be a criminal if i tried to enforce certain gun laws just a few weeks ago, the kentucky legislature passed a law that essentially they call it a second amendment sanctuary

law that makes it a crime for kentucky officials to help federal officials enforce federal gun regulations enacted after 2021 that includes some tougher background check requirements that were enacted in the wake of the uvalde shooting. a dramatic move by congress that people thought they would never see. so and by the way, kentucky's not the only state it's playing out in a variety of states across the country where these so-called sanctuary laws or resolutions have been passed essentially telling local officials no t to cooperate with the enforcement of federal gun laws as modest as those gun restrictions are essentially all they say is you can't have a felony conviction, domestic violence conviction, certain other prohibited things on your record to buy a firearm. again, we have no reason to believe this shooter was a prohibited person. we just don't know but there certainly was in the

state of kentucky, no impediment for him going out and buying as he did last week, an ar 15 style rifle he used in this horrific crime. >> thank you very much coming up, in the face of yet another mass shooting, yet another unpopular ruling on abortion which we've also been talking about, the gop is starting to do some soul searching. at least some of them. what some prominent leaders are advocating for plus, what damage control looks like in the pentagon leak of top secret intelligence documents. john kirby joined the white house briefing what he's saying about the revelations. and the nashville counsel reinstates expelled democrat, justin jones what the move says about the push for gun reform in the south. we're back in 60 seconds tide is busting laundry's biggest myth... that cold water can't clean. cold water, on those stains? ♪♪

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alvin bragg is suing republican jim jordan in his official capacity as house judiciary chair. bragg says he brings this suit in response to an unprecedently brazen and unconstitutional attack by members of congress on an ongoing new york state criminal prosecution and investigation of former president donald j. trump. joining me now to begin with is ryan noble who's joining us from capitol hill ryan, let's talk about the suit. in it, he uses that photograph that donald trump posted of him holding the bat over another photo of alvin bragg what's he saying about what jim jordan has to do with this >> well, there's a lot of, a lot in this lawsuit, katy. it's 50 pages in length and goes into great detail into the ways the district attorney's office believes donald trump and his

allies, particularly the allies here on capitol hill in the form of jim jordan and the house judiciary committee, are attempting to stand in the way of the legal process in manhattan as they conduct this prosecution of donald trump. and while a lot of it there is this detail in there that's trying to kind of lay the groundwork for the ways that the judiciary committee and house republicans are trying to stand in the way of it, there is a kind of a purpose to all of this and the specific purpose is to try and prevent current and former members of the district attorney's office from being forced to answer a subpoena from the house judiciary committee. in particular, mark pomeranz, the former prosecutor in the d.a.'s office who was the lead investigator in this trump case prior to leaving the office at the beginning of this year after bragg took over and wrote a book about his experience, then they also asked for there to be a kind of a preemptive stop on any attempt by the judiciary committee to issue a subpoena to

bragg himself. so this is you know, an interesting move by bragg pause because it shows the district attorney's office is not going to allow the judiciary committee to continue on with this back and forth and allow it to go unanswered, that they're going to proactively be a part of this and do it in a courtroom if they have to. i can it tell you in just the l few minutes, jim jordan has responded to this lawsuit for the first time via a tweet this is what he's saying first, they indict a president for no crime then he said they sue to block congressional oversight when we ask questions about the federal funds they used to do it. we should also point out the important context to this. it was congressman jordan who was among a group of house republicans who refused to answer a subpoena just about a year ago from the january 6th select committee investigating

the insurrection jordan never answered that subpoena went back and forth with the committee, but never responded to the subpoena. so now he's on the other end of this he's the one issuing the subpoenas and demanding people come before congress and this is the type of response he's getting. >> that is interesting don't go anywhere was i also want to talk about 2024 politics and as of right now, if there's any headline about what might shape the 2024 election, that goes beyond the qualities of an individual candidate like donald trump in all the legal trouble he's in, it's guns and abortion. on guns, there have been 146 mass shootings this year according to the gun violence archive. now we are just 101 days into this year. so a lot more shootings than there are even days. 57% of americans say they want stricter gun laws. but after each shooting when asked, the gop response has largely been a shrug there's no appetite to pass laws

said cynthia la miss on abortion, it's similar. 61% of americans believe it should be legal and after the gop fought for and won a repeal of roe v. wade, voters have punished them at the polls we saw it in special elections at the midterms last year and with new conservative rulings going further like banning the abortion pill, we're seeing it again. this latest example is out of wisconsin where a liberal justice clobbered the anti abortion republican candidate for her position on the state's supreme court. so what is happening behind the scenes about strategy for 2024 joining me now again is ryan nobles who's back with us from capitol hill we also have "washington post" senior national political correspondent, ashley parker an msnbc political analyst let's talk about that, ashley. this idea that guns and abortion could potentially shape the 2024 election what is happening behind the scenes among republican leaders

when they talk about what their prospects are when they don't address all of these abortion rulings. when you don't hear republicans come out and cheer them on as some had been doing ahead of the repealing of roe v. wade >> so there's a much more unanimous view behind the scenes on abortion with republicans about how now that the dobbs decision overturned roe v. wade that something for many decades was just theoretical has now become real and republicans are being forced to take increasingly complicated and controversial stances as judges rule, as laws are passed or suggested at a state level of you know, when is an abortion acceptable or not. is it 15 weeks is it six weeks before many women even know they're

pregnant what about a pill used for abortions but that's also used to help save women's lives when they miscarry desperately wanted pregnancies? these are tough issues for republicans to talk about in public that's why you see a lot of silence and in private, but on abortion, there's a clear sense that what may be helpful in a republican prior may or certain sectors of the republican base is not necessarily what is going to be helpful in a general election when you're trying to win independents, swing voters, suburban women >> ryan, what about guns another mass shooting in two weeks. is that being spoken about differently behind the scenes or is it the same old same old? >> the answer is no. there's just no will within the republican conference to do anything substantive on guns even moderate republicans feel as though they went a long way in passing the gun control legislation passed shortly after the uvalde shooting and made it clear there's just to room for

them to go any further and when you press republicans on this, even if republicans that are most directly impacted by it, you know, we talked to lawmakers in tennessee after the shooting in nashville. i'm sure we're going to talk to lawmakers in kentucky when they come back next week. you hear them talk about this difference between personal freedom and national security and they tend to believe that the freedom component in their minds are nor important. tim burr chand in tennessee said it's about freedom for him they don't ever make this direct correlation, but there seems to be this sense that there's a cost associated with this freedom that they are willing to pay. at least when it comes to limiting access to guns. now where you do see some room for negotiation if that's the appropriate word is this idea of hardening targets. providing more security officers more funding for police.

to try and prevent the shooter from even gaining access to facilities like this where these mass shootings where taking place, but this incident that took place in louisville is a good example this is a bank they're among the most secure places in the country and it still happened if there's ever going to be anything substantive that's going to come out of congress when it comes to limiting access to guns. >> i want to leave us with this quote from republican representative from south carolina she's talking about what is not helping republicans and that's this idea that they just don't have any compassion. they're unfeeling. she said if we can show we care just a little bit, that we have some compassion, we can show the country are policies are reasonable, but because we keep going down these rabbit holes of extremism, we're going to keep on losing. she said that to "new york times. joining us now, tim miller tim, it's a grab bag i'm going to leave it up to you.

what do you think is happening here >> well you know i think ashley hit it well that these cross pressures these republican politicians are facing and within their base, there's not an appetite for this now there's a strong minority within the republican party that wants to act on some of these issues i think nancy mace represents that on abortion a big portion of the donald trump base support most abortions. at least in the first and second trimester. you see this on guns reasonable gun restrictions are supported among certain members of the republican you know, electorate but they're not supported among those who turn out into the primaries. so we've seen democrats go on offense on abortion with some effect i think in wisconsin i think that really hangs over republicans now into 2024. i'm interested in seeing democrats go more on offense in the gun issue where they may be reluctant to do so

i think given what's happened in uvalde, nashville, louisville, other reasonable restrictions where they have the majority and should be leverages. zpl she's saying if we can just show we have some compassion, that we care a little bit. what is stopping republicans from going down that route is it the gerrymandered districts or is it the money coming out of these lobbies? is it both >> districts play some part. one thing that's shocking about tennessee, nashville doesn't have a democratic representative tennessee is so gerrymandered, represented by three different republicans in a pizza pie district that goes out to the rurals i think that's part of it. what they found in 2016, republicans are still learning lessons from 2016 and what donald trump taught people, you saw this up close. is that republican voters

compassionate conservative ism, that's out they wanted someone that was going to observe the libs, be a big middle finger to the other side showing compassion became weakness i think the fact that nancy saying this is surprising. shows how far we've gone in two decades about how the republican party sees itself. >> interesting let me ask you about what the republicans are going to be running on, all of these investigations and this unfair targeting of donald trump. what do you make of d.a. bragg suing jim jordan in the 50-page suit one of the portions of it includes a picture of donald trump with that baseball bat over bragg's photo >> i think it's good politics. this whole weaponization committee that jordan is running makes no sense to me either on the substance or of the politics the whole conceit is that the northbound is that progressive

b bastian that's coming out for republicans. i think republicans had they stuck to vinvestigations on afghanistan, the border, i think those could be political winners. why they want to keep talking about trump, stormy daniels, is beyond me. >> tim, thanks so much for coming on. appreciate it. >> thank you the u.s. government is trying to clean up a massive leak of damaging intelligence. what the government says about the clues the potential leaker left online. hi, i'm eileen. i live in vancouver, washington and i write mystery novels. dogs have been such an important part of my life. i have flinn and a new puppy. as i was writing, i found that i just wasn't as sharp and i new i needed to do something so i started taking prevagen. i realized that i was much more clear and i was remembering the details that i was supposed to. prevagen keeps my brain working right.

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we are watching washington where secretary of state blinken and secretary of defense are co-hosting an event with thaer counterparts from the philippines. u.s. allies had demanded answers on how sensitive and highly classified information ended up on a chat app for gamers the leak is now more than just an embarrassment for american officials. it's also likely to affect the war in ukraine joining me now is a former member of the national security council and former special assistant to president george w. bush michael allen, thank you very much for being with us there's a saying the tooth paste is out of the tube how do you put it back in? how do you put it back in?

and fix this gather vital intelligence information about them in the future so this one hurts. >> so how is it that the stuff gets posted on this chat app for gamers as early as january it's believed, but that the secretary of defense didn't learn about the leak until last thursday it's april

>> it's just a reminder of how bottomless the internet is and how many obscure places there are where these things can be posted but it does, i think you're pointing out something that we ought to do better is we ought to be able to have quicker notifications when our intelligence products have been posted on the internet this is the type of thing that i think we're unfortunately going to see again in the future we've had insider threat cases like edward snowden, and of course, we have the russians and others who sometimes recruit spies within the department of defense who can pilfer documents out at night then later put them on the internet. so in this age of sort of digital intelligence, we're go going to see this trouble more often. >> it's interesting if we had this big ongoing chat about classified documents ending up many former offices of

presidents or offices of former presidents and how in the world they got there and the chain of custody for these documents. these documents appear to be photographed then posted online. how big is the pool of people who might have seen these documents? might have had access to these physical copies? >> i think it's very large i remember seeing these types of documents when i was serving at the national security council. i think many, many hundreds of people see it on their classified computer systems within the department of defense. i would be surprised, however, if all of them were able to have sort of printing privileges. not sure how they got it all printed and smuggled out of the building that's a question for pentagon security going forward, but i worry that the pool of likely leakers is so large we may not be able to get on to the trail >> let's talk about some of the stuff that's in these documents. you mentioned russia might be plugging up its holes.

a spokesperson for the security service of ukraine talks about documents this show ukraine launching attacks in belarus and russia they say they're not going to comment until after ukraine victory. there's worry that this action they were launching these drone attacks might put them at risk of losing some support from allied nations what happens now with the war in ukraine when this information is out there? >> well, i think the ukrainians very likely have already shifted whatever plans they had in motion that might have been reflected in the documents as we've seen them, but this is very dangerous stuff i think all winter long, nato allies have been working with the ukrainians to war game out what the coming spring offensive is dpgoing to look like and to h degree that any of this has been compromised by the leak, certainly harms the ukrainian effort probably the biggest thing i've

seen so far of course was the news in the intelligence document that is the united states sees the ukrainian air defenses as especially weak. of course the russians loved reading that and i'm sure they're trying to exploit it today. i know we've sent over additional air defenses in recent weeks to try and patch up that particular hole but it's a big problem and i think there's a lot of spy versus spy going on right now to try and cover up what are ukraine's vulnerabilities. >> there's been a lot of discussion about what it means for our allies given what was revealed about our spying on our allies my question is about the uae and egypt and this idea they're working more closely with russia if we already knew it, we knew it, but what does that mean for our relationship with those two countries? >> i think most of the

sophisticated players in those two countries know the united states is spying on friends of ours so to speak not the five english speaking intelligence service who we have an alliance with, but i think it's reasonable and frankly, the fact that egypt and uae maybe transferring this ammunition over to the russians i think shows we were justified in trying to keep tabs on what some elements in each of those governments or societies may be up to because that's just not what we want to see from people who we have good relations with and in the case of egypt, who we spend almost a billion dollars in aid on each year. so we need to put an end to these two activities >> michael allen, thank you very much for joining us and coming up, what are the rules senators are now calling for an investigation into justice clarence thomas for his unreported lavish travel on a private yacht and jet owned by a billionaire republican donor

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trinet. people matter. one of two lawmakers expelled by tennessee republicans for protesting on gun safety pr the state house floor is back to work. justin jones was unanimously voted to take back his old seat last night, making him now

interim representative jones after being sworn in, he promised to keep on fighting >> the world is watching and we're not going to allow their attacks to happen in the comfort of silence and we're still calling for action that's what this was about in the beginning. >> yi've heard it said a bunch o times now that this guy, justin jones, who nobody knew about a few days ago, now the whole country knows who he is and it's a real backfire for the republican party what is this going to mean goeng forward? we're talking about the other representative being reinstated potentially this week. what does it mean for the dynamic in that state house? >> this is a massive turn of events a state where the republicans have the super majority. it's hard for democrats to get much of a voice on the local level. they never get a massive megaphone to the rest of the country.

he only missed about two business days of sessions. then it looks like pearson is likely going to be joining him in just a couple of days, too. there's going to be a whole new dynamic here where these three lawmakers are going to have a different level of voice and access and the tone of the conversation around gun reform has changed in tennessee i think we're seeing evidence of that this afternoon as the governor gets ready to sign an executive order to expand background checks and he's calling on his republican colleagues to bring him a red flag law >> wow >> i can't emphasize how much of a pivot that is. bill lee is a republican he's been in lock step with his close colleagues in the capital who have worked on banning healthcare for transgender children to the anti drag law and he's coming out now pivoting on gun reform. and it will be really interesting to see how republicans respond to this. red flag laws have often resisted these

it's the kind of thing that democrats are talking about so what do they do now that bill lee is asking them to get to work >> we saw so many protesters in the state house and so many more after what happened to the two representatives, and not the third. not the older white woman, but the two younger black men. a lot of it is centered around having a voice, number one, but also gun reform and just doing the basics to try to protect kids thank you so much for coming on and making us a little smarter next, what the senate judiciary committee says it will do if john roberts does not investigate justice clarence thomas we're going to explain, next

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again, this is part of a ruling, a recent ruling by a judge that the close aides to donald trump had to testify in front of this grand jury all right. we are also asking the question about ethical guidelines, for a supreme court justice. what are they? it's also what democrats on the senate judiciary committee want chief justice john roberts to answer they sent a letter to roberts on monday, urging an investigation into justice clarence thomas who failed to disclose everybody travagant trips funded by a republican mega donor, the committee is promising to hold a hearing on the, quote, needs to establish confidence in the court's ethical standards. joining me is correspondent garrick haake so what do democrats want >> reporter: well, they want answers and really what they want is for the supreme court

ethics, the rules that apply to every other and don't apply to the stream court, katy, i think those are likely to come away disappointed from the latest effort the last time they tried to press jchief justice roberts about adopting those rules he said he didn't see any need. and any other body in washington has very little control over the court, including the justice, there's just not much the senate can do, other than shine a light on continued questions about judicial ethics and the specifics around the clarence thomas case by holding a hearing. but in terms of bringing him down to testify or kind of force an issue on the supreme court, there's just not a lot that they or anyone else can do. >> garrett, thank you very much. joining us, mark joseph stern. mark, thanks for being here. walk me flew what justice thomas is accused of doing. what is the ethical standard

that he's breached >> so justice thomas is accused of accepting rather lavish gifts from the billionaire gop mega donor harlan crow in the form of luxury vacations at private resorts, trips on a superyacht, or a meg gallon yacht, i'm not quite sure of the difference there, i'm sure that justice thomas knows and also accepting trips on mr. crow's private jets all around the country now, those trips themselves are not illegal, but there is a federal statute that requires justices to disclose gifts that they receive from individuals. justice thomas has said that did not apply here because the disclosure law has a hospitality exception. but that exception only covers food, lodging or entertainment and it is very difficult to see how taking somebody else's private jet around the country for your own adventures qualifies as food, lodging or entertainment. and that has landed him in hot water. >> justice, the chief justice

john roberts, the democrats are asking to investigate. you watch the court, you understand how it works. what's the likelihood of that happening? >> very low likelihood look what happened with the dobbs investigation into the leak of the draft opinion, you know, the justices themselves weren't really interviewed they just had conversations with investigators who decided, oh, they seem fine, probably didn't do anything wrong. and when they couldn't find any evidence of a leak anywhere else they just gave up and had john roberts' good friends, michael chertoff any job well done i don't think anybody can impose justice roberts to impose the standard i have to thing justice roberts is probably embarrassed by this but not going to take affirmative steps to stop it >> let me say, he has said it's

important to keep the trust of the supreme court intact there's been a lot of erosion of that over the last few years, specially. why would he not do this and if he does do it, would it be publicized? is it possible that he might do it behind the scenes and we wouldn't know about it. >>. >> so, sure, the court is leak proof, he could be doing it kind the scenes but i doubt it. they have another threat of mortality by another branch. we have decided that the checks and balances is not going to ply to the judiciary and that the supreme court doesn't have to follow any rules when congress starts sniffing around and says maybe that's leading to problems and we should impose some rules here, all of the justices tend to kind of get together and decide that they're going to ensure that nobody comes and forces them to comply with any new guidelines and that goes across the partisan and political spectrum, even though we doll see more violations from conservatives.

again, the chief is probably embarrassed by this. but he would be far more embarrassed and ashamed if under his watch, the court were finally forced to adopt some ethical code and that's probably going to lead him to back off and say i've got no role to play here. >> all right thank you very much. we're going to have to leave you here today appreciate it. that is going to do it for me. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪ hi there, everyone it's 4:00 in new york, some news breaking late this afternoon, a manhattan district attorney alvin bragg, the investigator leading the investigation into donald trump's hush money scheme, it appears enough is enough "the new york times," under full bylines late this afternoon was first to report this alvin bragg is now going on the legal offense, taking the extraordinary step of suin