d.a. alvin bragg made news with a new filing suing republican rep jim jordan. one more piece of it i want to read you before i let you know, where the filing says trump falsely predicted he would be arrested and since then, the d.a. has gotten over 1,000 calls and emails from trump supporters many threatening and, quote, racially charged rather than denounce efforts to vilify the d.a., house republicans are, quote, participating in those efforts jim jordan denies that and says he simply wants to do oversight. this is clearly an escalation in a standoff over the prosecution of former president trump and a story we will stay on and one we didn't know this morning was going to have this new filing. as always, thanks for watching

us here on "the beat." "the reidout" with joy reid starts now tonight on "the reidout" -- >> beginning with the radical left george soros backed prosecutor alvin bag of new york >> he's maybe one of a dozen or more across the country that get elected on an idealogical agenda, usually from funding from people like george soros. >> the hypocrisy and extra loud dog whistling by republicans what the means when they call alvin bragg and others soros-backed >> also, the state of confusion republicans have created for american women and what the fight over abortion pills is really about complete federal control over women's reproductive health. plus, we're learning a lot of very interesting things about cameron sexton, the tennessee house speaker who subjected his state to national ridicule over the expulsion of two young black

legislat legislators, including reporting he might not even live in the district he represents we begin tonight with the current state of chaos and confusion for women across the country. spurred by a single judge's decision to invalidate the fda's 23-year-old approval of one of the principal drugs used for abortions, mifepristone. we're still waiting to see what the fifth circuit court says about the justice department's appeal as of right now, there are three major deadlines we're following. by midnight tonight, the anti-abortion group that brought the lawsuit must respond to the stay request from the justice department by friday, the doj has asked washington state judge thomas rice to provide clarification about his ruling contradicting judge matthew kacsmaryk's ordering the fda not to disrupt the availability of mifepristone and by saturday morning, judge

kacsmaryk's order is set to go into effect barring action by another court. and while banning this pill won't actually make medication abortions go away, the ramifications of this decision is already having a turbulent effect as states and clinics scramble to figure out what's next reporting shows that some clinics are already calling patients who expected to get medication abortions next week, telling them to change their plans. some blue states including washington, are stockpiling mifepristone pills maura healey said her state had ordered about 15,000 doses of the drug, and issued an executive order that would help protect access to medication abortions and shield providers who performed them >> this political intervention into basic medical care hurts women and what can be a difficult and heartbreaking time, putting those experiencing pregnancy loss through greater discomfort, greater pain, and in

some cases threatening their lives. it harms patients, undermines medical expertise, and takes away freedom abortion will remain safe, legal, and accessible here in massachusetts. >> other states like california and new york are stocking up on mifepristone the other drug used in combination with mifepristone to induce abortions. medical experts say using that pill on its own is still very safe, but maybe somewhat less effective than the two-drug regimen. there are also some lawmakers urging the fda to just ignore the ruling altogether. >> i believe that the biden administration should ignore this ruling. i think that we, you know, the courts have the legitimacy and they rely on the legitimacy of their rulings and what they are currently doing is engaged in an unprecedented and dramatic

erosion of the legitimacy of the court. >> even drug companies are speaking out more than 200 biopharma groups led by pfizer have signed an open letter slamming the texas decision and while all of this is happening, republican lawmakers in red states are actually pushing to take it even further, by seeking to revive the comstock act, as a way to block the mailing of mifepristone from state to state an idea judge kacsmaryk pushes heavily in his ruling. the comstock act was passed in 1873 to prohibit the mailing of contraceptives, lewd writings and any medicine or thing that could be used in an abortion so much for leaving it up to the states you did hear me say contraceptives because yes, there are other republican-led states that have already set their sights on birth control. while in iowa, the attorney general's office has paused its policy of paying for emergency contraceptives for victims of

rape and sexual assault. that is where we are in america, in the year of our lord, 2023. and joining me now to discuss all of this is carrie sheffield, fellow with the state financial officers foundation, and in a mo moment, i'll speak with dr. jennifer viavicencio carrie, thank you for being here it's good to see you it's been too long let's talk about something i think we can all agree on. americans overwhelmingly oppose judge kacsmaryk's ruling it's 70% to 27% opposing the idea of banning the abortion pill that's pretty clear. even if you go across religious groups, we have a chart i'm going to put up. you can go all the way down. white evangelical, protestants, and essentially the only groups who are for, who are largely for banning abortion are white

evangelical protestants, mormons, latter day saints, and people who are jehovahs witnesses. but all together, we're talking about under 15% of the population is for banning abortion so why should this one judge be able to override the desires of 70% of americans >> well, i would have to look at the wording of that specific poll, but i do know there's a spectrum from zero to nine months, how people feel about abortion there is a majority of the country that does want some restrictions on abortion >> i agree with that >> i think we can both agree on that point >> yes >> as far as this ruling is concerned, ituly explain, and il about wording, from my perspective, and i just spoke with my friends who are brinking this lawsuit, what are the main reasons why this is happening? first, just to take a step back, this drug, you know, the approval was challenged almost immediately out of the gate, but the fda refused to respond

under their own regulations, they're supposed to respond within 180 days. thy refused to do that you had almost decades of the fda refusing to respond. it's only more recently when you have the promulgation and the much more common occurrence where that's why this lit gage was brought. the fda has gone rogue, is refusing to follow its own guidelines also, the notion that this drug is safe is -- there's so much data to say it's not safe. the fda did not follow its own rules. the fda, when it went through this process, it categorized pregnancy as an illness similar to hiv/aids and the only therapeutic benefit is this child is killed. that's not a therapeutic benefit to anyone and pregnancy is not an illness it's a natural process you have the fda rejecting its own normal process and what are the results of it? you have so many studies journal of obsecretary of

staterics and gynecology they found one in five women had some sort of medical complication from this drug. another study in a peer reviewed study, found there was a four times more likelihood of some sort of medical complication from the chemical abortion as opposed to a surgical abortion there are lots of safety questions about this and the fda did not follow its own rules. what's also disconcerting is to hear the congresswoman, aoc, and also senator ron riden saying they want to undermine the rule of law and ignore this ruling. i think that's very scary. >> so let me go through each of those things let's start with the fact that the fda, they're scientists. it's their job, this judge is not a scientist. you would agree. >> sure. >> okay, so he's not a scientist. the science behind it, the fda i'm sure has people who come to them with objections to drugs that they are approving. and they may dismiss them because they don't have the science for them, science with

them in the case of mifepristone, this is the actual data and the science. there have been five deaths per 1 million users since its approval in 2000 it's been legal for 23 years there have been five deaths per 1 million users. that is a death rate of .0005% let me give you a comparison viagra, 49 deaths per 1 million users, which is ten times higher than mifepristone. there's no lawsuit seeking to take viagra off the market penicillin, which is very -- obviously, crucial in treating disease. 20 deaths per 1 million users which is four times higher than mifepristone so this is a drug that doctors rely upon, not just for abortions but also for miscarriages and they are the scientists who are in charge of caring for patients and the science says this is safer than viagra and

penicillin >> i think it's important to note that you mentioned deaths, and unfortunately, the fda changed its own methodology. i haven't looked at those specific numbers i'm trusting you on the death numbers. i would have to look at it separately to see if i found something different, but the fda changed its own guidelines as far as reporting complications it used to actually have to report them. as i understand it now, based on what adf has reported, they don't even have to report complications. so that's what's also problematic, is that it minimizes in some ways hides the complications of it and the risk to women >> here's my question, because the science is very clear. the data is clear that this is safer than viagra and penicillin by taking this drug and doing what they're doing, attempting to delete the fda's approval of it, which has stood for 23 years, here's what's happening in some states in iowa, the state of iowa, which has an abortion ban on the books, has said that women who are raped will no longer be able

to get this drug cocktail. they won't be able to do it. you have already had, and let's just be clear, the anti-abortion, the pro-birth movement, the forced birth movement, as i call them, they don't want exceptions. they are for women being punished you have had a 10-year-old rape victim forced to travel from ohio to indiana for an abortion. you have a law in idaho that essentially makes it illegal for anyone to help a woman, to be an uber driver for a woman, you have the bounty law in texas what's the end game here isn't the end game of this law, because it's not about making the fda change its rules it's about making both abortion and eventually contraceptive illegal, right >> this particular case is about making the fda follow its own procedure. part of the reason we see the rise in concern is you have a 500% increase in the number of er visits. >> where's your facts to back that up? >> that was cited in the adf filing of the case >> i read through the case and

there was a lot of idealogical language there sort of trying to present science, and this judge is not a scientist but what i got from reading that ruling is that this judge would like abortion to be illegal. and he cites the comstock act repeatedly, and what the comstock act did was make it illegal to even discuss pregnancy or abortion and also contraception. is the end game, this is really important for people to understand from your idealogical point of view, is the end game to make both abortion nationally illegal and make contraception nationally illegal >> well, i can't, and i appreciate you having me on and having a dialogue. we need to have more of these dialogues in this country to lower the temperature a little bit, but i think for abortion, i can't speak for this judge i don't know, you know, he's reading the law as it stands he's reading the fda's policies which they themselves have ignored. >> what's your take? >> i'm a pro-life activist i do believe personally that, again, this is a science thing

over 90% of scientists agree immediately at conception there's a human life the genus and the species -- >> i don't think over 90% of scientists believe this. >> it's a human life >> historically, even in the colonial era, in the earliest eras of this country until the quickening, until a woman could feel a child inside her, most even religious people, most people in the colonial era, abortion was not illegal until the quickening so that is what the roe standard was. but my question, i think it's really important for people to understand where people who are on your idealogical side are coming from. >> yeah. >> do you want abortion to be illegal in the entire country? because that is going against the views of the vast majority i would say more than 70% to 80% of americans don't want that do you want that >> well, scientifically immediately at conception, all of the dna is separate two separate bodies. there's no dna from the mother that is in the child >> do you want abortion to be

illegal? >> i believe in human rights to me, abortion is as evil as slievry. it truly is. when you look at the founding of planned parenthood and who margaret sangar was, you look at her research she was a woman who believed in eugenics she believed in the purification of the race, and she didn't want certain women to reproduce i find that legacy to be deeply problematic. >> for the vast majority of women, they're not eugenicists most people probably don't know who margaret sangar is most women just want control of their body my last question, do you think contraception should be illegal? >> no, i was concerned by that piece you mentioned where some people are trying to block access to birth control. i hope this can be a bipartisan area where vasectomies, why aren't we pushing for that in terms of health care coverage for men to get coverage for that, and they're reversible in the vast majority of cases i'm protestant i know some catholics disagree with me on the birth control

front, but that's an area, if we can focus on termination, we can have a lot fewer conversations -- prevention instead of termination >> thank you for being here. i appreciate you being willing, not everyone is willing to do it thank you very much. >> i now want to bring in dr. jennifer viavivencio thank you for being here first, let me make sure i pronounced your name correctly >> that is correct >> okay. >> thank you for having me >> of course i want to get back and ask if there's anything you heard in that conversation that you think was not correct? >> unfortunately, the majority of what your previous guest said was in some way misinformation i'm having a hard time coming into this segment after hearing that because there are so many things i would like to correct the record on. i think the first and most important is that there was little if any conversation whatsoever about the individuals, the women, the

people and the families that this decision is going to impact those are the people that i have spent most of my life training to be an expert, to be a physician scientist to take care of my job is to understand the science, is to understand the studies that are being kind of quoting and thrown out there that are being cited in these really biased opinions and what i can tell you is that they were cherry picked. so one of the studies mentioned from your privious guest is one from finland, not in this country. another one was from the 1990s and completely ignored the incredible amount of almost 23 years of data that we have to show that mifepristone is extraordinarily safe, that the complication rates and er visits are akin to things like life-saving colonoscopy screening, for example very similar additionally, this idea that scientists agree on when life begins, that's a philosophical question, not so much a scientific question.

so to suggest that that is scientifically sound or founded is untrue and really disingenuous i would also offer that this idea that mifepristone is dangerous is completely incorrect. 1 in 4 women in this country will have an abortion by the time they're 45. the majority of them will have the medication abortion at this point in time. medication abortion which includes mifepristone, allows them to have a safe, private experience within their own home, within the context of their family and support networks, and i represent the american college of obstetricians and gynecologists, that is thousands and thousands of years of scientific and medical training that is behind mifepristone so i don't come at this from an idealogical perspective or from a belief perspective i look at the science, i look at the data, and i look at what my patients need.

my patients need access to this care >> and what will be the results if in fact on saturday this texas ruling goes into effect? what will be the pragmatic impact on women? >> unfortunately, it's already causing chaos and confusion. i had a front text me on friday night right after she was still seeing patients at 6:30 and said can i give mifepristone to the next patient on my schedule? doctors are already confused we're not scholars of the law, we're scholars of medicine right now, it's causing a chilling effect, and certainly, if this goes into effect and we're unable to prescribe or offer mifepristone, what that will mean is that thousands and thousands of people across the country will be unable to access the optimal care for both abortion care as well as miscarriage management, which is incredibly common. >> yeah, doctor, thank you very much really appreciate that we wanted to make sure we got a fact check in.

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today is a step forward for democracy but it's not the end they tried to kill democracy on last thursday, but today is a testimony of resurrection of people power we will continue to show people because cameron sexton needs to resign we need common sense gone laws we need to support young people begging for their lives. >> that was newly reinstated tennessee state representative justin jones calling on his state house speaker, republican cameron sexton, to resign. as speak, sexton led the charge in targeting the tennessee three and ultimately accused them of breeking indecorum.

after his leadership, rep republicans have ruled with iron fists, systematically silencing democratic at every turn nashville showed how republicans introduced legislation in committee, sometimes drastically amended, and often killed democratic bills without a recorded roll call vote. that is against the rules. but since they have a superm supermajority, there's nobody to stop them. it doesn't end there yesterday, it was reported speaker sexton does not live in the district he represents he actually lives in the nashville area, represented by democrat beau mitchell nearly 115 miles from his home district one tennessee lawyer who litigates law issues noted that there were legitimate issues about whether sexton was a legal representative of his home district at all. but added a key caveat the legislature is the sole arbiter of any member's qualifications, so it is up to

sexton's colleagues to decide whether he or any representative should be expelled we know that they have plenty of appetite for policing democrats. just, you know, none for themselves according to one scholar's research on democracy, tennessee is the least democratic state in the u.s. because of its egregious partisan gerrymandering for example, there is not one single competitive seat in the state senate, not one. democrats are so efficiently packed into a handful of strongly democratic districts that republicans have a near guaranteed supermajority and who do they listen to? according to the podcast, it's the koch brothers. state campaign finance data shows that koch industries gave at least $21,000 to 27 tennessee state republican representatives who voted for expulsion. including speaker sexton, during the last election cycle. yesterday, holly mccall of the tennessee lookout told me many house republicans felt misled by

speaker sexton in his quixotic attack on the democrats. i guess they should get in line with the other folks who he seems to be misleading, including the people of his district and the people of tennessee. joining me now is holly mccall, editor in chief of the tennessee lookout. and thank you for coming back. i wanted for you to say more about this speaker has there been any kerfuffle inside of the state about the fact that he does appear to have broken the rules about having to live in the district he represents >> well, first of all, i'm glad to be back i'm always happy to run my mouth in front of you and your audience so just in the last week or two, this news has come out about speaker cameron sexton not living in his district now, i will point out there's a bit of gray area most lawmakers in tennessee have an apartment in nashville if -- i would say more than 50 miles outside of the district. that makes sense you can't drive back and forth all the time

people come to nashville for business outside of the legislative business habitually in campaigns, the specter is raised whether someone lives in the district. here's where he could run into problems he's been filing for mileage reimbursements to the tens of thousands of dollars that, if he's not driving back and forth across the state of tennessee to his purported district, that's fraud and that could get him into some trouble. he might be -- we might see an investigation into him for that. couple that with the fact that, you know, his own caucus members see a little blood in the water, and there are at least two guys eyeing the speakership cameron sexton wants to run for governor in 2026 he's been trying to appeal to the far right wing of the party. that's probably why he pushed these expulsions so hard i will guarantee there are at least two guys who are figuring out how to pick him off. >> let's talk about the undemocratic nature of this state. this state used to have

democratic senators. it wasn't always considered a hard right state the takeover has been complete, though and how sort of durable is that with young tennesseans literally in the streets and packing into the state house defying these republicans? is there any chance that that ends up changing >> so joy, i don't think we're going to see a lot of change in the next election, but i think by ten years down the road, we will see significant change. democrats held the supermajority from after reconstruction until 2008 so they were in charge for a long time. they became complacent they became corrupt. it's the nature of a supermajority. now the republicans have a supermajority for almost 15 years and we're seeing them sliding down the path to corruption, complayancy, and arrogance in a far quicker timeframe. these young people who are just starting to vote or will vote in a couple years, they are like that '60s generation

they have the same ideals of speaking truth to power. they're like the kids who protested vietnam and corruption and fought for civil rights. in tennessee, i do believe, is going to be vastly different in ten years. >> we know that bill lee, the governor, he has signed an order trying to strengthen background checks is that kind of the first sign that republicans won't be able to maintain this we can do nothing attitude when it comes to gun violence? >> well, yes, i think that would not have happened. he's been very anti-gun control or gun safety. and that would not have happened, i don't think, without what happened with the tennessee three. not just the mass shooting two weeks ago, because he said nothing for 36 hours after that event. nothing. and then he did a canned video i think this is a result of the tennessee three pushing, but i also noticed today when he had his press conference, there weren't too many other republicans standing beside him. he was standing up there by himself. >> very interesting. >> he's going to have to fight for it >> very interesting, the politics in tennessee are now

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group all of these progressive prosecutors together, because the right cannot stand how they are doing their jobs and trying to reform the criminal justice system apparently, the system is not savage enough for them, so the right is doing what it does best, pushing baseless conspiracy theories to rile up the base while trying to point the finger for trump's indictment not on trump but on soros. the 92-year-old democratic mega donor and jewish holocaust survivor has seen first-hand what authoritarian governments can do to society. so he has made it his mission to fight those movements and further advance democracy. so yes, he has been willing to put vast amounts of his wealth behind that cause. but the idea that prosecutors or anyone who receives a donation are soros' puppets, particularly when those recipients are black, that's a pretty blatant throwback to the civil rights era when conservatives including in the fbi, accused supposed jewish communists of being the real power behind dr. king and

the civil rights movement. the idea being that black americans just weren't smart enough or passionate enough about their own freedom to oppose tyranny themselves. otherwise contented blacks were being manipulated by the jews. meanwhile, to give you a little context that the right always forgets to mention, george soros in fact did not fund manhattan district attorney alvin bragg's campaign and according to soros, the two men have never even met. what soros did was to donate to color of change, a nonprofit advocacy group that promotes criminal justice reform among other racial justice causes. color of change has backed a number of progressive district attorney candidates including supporting bragg's 2021 campaign but neither they nor george soros control alvin bragg. rashad robinson, who heads color of change, has a lot to say on this topic, and he joins me next

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well, george soros has denied he controls prosecutors like manhattan district attorney alvin bragg, as republicans would have you believe he has spoken out about why he supports progressive prosecutors. in a "wall street journal" op-ed last year, he wrote, quote, in recent years reform minded prosecutors and other law enforcement officials around the country have been coalescing around an agenda that promises to be more effective and just.

this agenda includes prioritizing the resources of the criminal justice system to protect people against violent crime. it urges that we treat drug addiction as a disease, not a crime, and it seeks to end the criminalization of poverty and mental illness this agenda aiming at both safety and justice is based on common sense and evidence that is popular, it is effective. joining me now is rashad robinson, president of color of change, and kurt bardella, democratic strategist and contributor to the los angeles times and usa today. rashad, that agenda sounds super duper evil, you know maybe treating poverty as something other than a crime i would love for you to just talk i'm going to let you talk about the relationship that color of change has with george soros and why you think he funds your organization and others. >> we're funded by many folks around the country who want to support racial justice, who believe in a world where we can advance safety and justice in

communities, where we can create more equitable economy, where we can make systems work for everyone, a more human and less hostile world. that's what we have been fighting for, and george soros is one of our many donors. these attacks that pop up every so often, and over the last several weeks, as donald trump has been facing the consequences of his actions, actions that as he faces them, he's beginning to talk about how the criminal justice system isn't for people like him reform minded prosecutors we have been supporting around the country have been working to make sure that the rich and the powerful actually have to pay the price when they step outside the law. that we actually have deeper fairness, that communities actually have more power and more input in how they are sort of treated by the justice system that is what we're doing but there are some that believe

that jail and prison are only for black and brown people and we're happy to have the support of folks, but i have to say that these attacks over the last several weeks have been really hard on our organization. donald trump has named us by name in a post on his own social media platform, and we have had to put resources into security, have had to deal with these attacks. it can also sometimes be kind of a silent distancing that donors and other people have. so the thing i also want to say to folks who all watching, who actually believe that we should have a justice system that is fair and equitable, that people should be able to get a fair trial in this country, that the playing field needs to be more fair when we think about all of these issues, that they actually have to support reform minded prosecutors who in so many places around the country are actually holding the line for our democracy. and if we believe that someone like donald trump actually

should be accountable and have consequences, then we have to support the people that do it. but we also have to stand with racial justice and civil rights organizations like mine when we come under attack for it because what they're trying to do is make us step further away from the work that we're trying to do every day, to fight for a better tomorrow, for all of us because when black people and black communities win in our country, we make society work for everyone >> yeah, kurt, the reality is what they're trying to argue is that donald trump facing the same system of justice that anyone else who did what he did faces, that that is the actual discrimination but that also, the other part of their argument, alvin bragg needs to be locking up more black people that's the undercurrent of their argument >> even when you look at the attacks they use, using george soros as this prop, behind the curtain figure, you're basically also saying that someone like alvin bragg can't make his own decisions. that he's a puppet master,

someone else is controlling his strings which is inherently a racist type of conoitation to say, that a black prosecutor can't be trusted because a jewish donor is controlling him. that is ridiculous it is both racist and anti-semitic at the same time. and by the way, let me point this out alvin bragg isn't flying around in private jets going to private islands with mega donors the way that clarence thomas has been doing for years. >> they would be very offended if we were to say that clarence thomas is controlled like a puppet by the guy who was flying him all over the world, maybe influencing his decisions. i want to point out, you have been in politics in both parties. there are lots of donors shelly adelson, peter thiel, steven wynn, i could go on the koch brothers. >> yeah. >> and the right gets real offended if you try to say that that money has influence, but we know in this, you know, the way that the supreme court has allowed things to operate in the

citizens united world, we see that influence soros' influence is to try to make the world a little more democratic, small "d." >> i don't see soros playing the say hands on role that we see from the koch brothers, from steve wynn i don't see george soros, again, taking supreme court justices on private trips and wining and dining them all over the world and doing these things that have come out it's like why is there a separate system of ethics that republicans want for someone like alvin bragg than their own supreme court justice in clarence thomas? i don't see them blowing the whistle on the federalist society and how there's been an organized effort to fund right-wing judges and put them in office for years now. so again, republicans want to have their cake and eat it too >> last word to you, rashad robinson what can folks do if they want to support what you all are

doing. i think having progressive prosecutors sounds like something most people want >> all around the country, we're working not only to push for progressive prosecutors but then to hold them accountable, to engage with their communities, to do things like court watch so we support the type of changes that we want to engage we have also done something like release a kind of platform that's on colorchange.org, a platform about how do we think about investments in our communities beyond policing. a larger vision for public safety this is all part of the work that needs to happen, and folks can join us at color of change and support it and know that the attacks we're facing are coordinated because there are people who believe that jail and prison are only for certain people and there are other folks that get to fly above the law and face no consequences.and fan which -- >> yeah, and we see it we see what y'all are doing. rashad robinson, kurt bardella think you, both we are bac after this

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chosen the city of chicago a the site of next year' national convention. it's a big honor for the city, and likely to provide a larg boost to its economy the decision had come down t chicago or atlanta, with bot cities pitching the importance of democratic voters in thei regions, the midwest and the south. when it came down to it, georgia is a lot different tha illinois, with its republica governor and legislature restricting voting rights, banning gender affirming car

and passing a six-week ban o abortion that the state suprem court is currently considering the optics of the state ar more complicated than th historic election of georgia's two democratic senators. contrast that with illinois, which not only expanded access to abortion but provided for legal protection for those traveling out of state, passed protections for gender affirming care, as well as a sweeping firearms man, and expanded voting rights chicago also just had a huge progressive win in electin brandon johnson as mayor he pitched chicago as the dn site, directly to presiden biden, last week and joining me now a chicago mayor elect brandon johnson, who takes office next month. congratulations! i think i spoke to you befor the election so, this is my first chance to congratulate you, mayor-elect. so, take us inside this pitc meeting between you an president biden. what was your sales pitch? >> thank you so much and i'm very excited, of course, to be back on the show

i know we've got to get to business my wife is a huge fan. i'm sorry, joy, she says hello >> - people say my mom! -- >> my wife is a huge fan she said, you didn't represent well last time you make sure you tell her i said hello >> thank you >> but in my conversation with the president was obviousl very humbling with me and my family but i've made it very clear and very straightforward look, the city of chicago ha been a marker for a generation now of what is possible for th entire country the number one martin luther king jr. day came to chicago 5 plus years ago he was met with tremendous opposition. and he could have left discouraged. but what he said was, if we ca figure it out in chicago we ca do it anywhere in the world. and since we pitched to th president that the labor right movement and the civil right movement that martin luthe king talked about often -- and finally they converged and we are the manifestation o that hope. and i said, what better plac to mark?

a place where our values are front and center, then the cit of chicago and clearly, he heard that message loud and clear >> and what will the conventio do for the city? >> it's certainly a remarkable testament to laying out ou values, and that we don't have to skirt away from our democratic values, that thes false choices, particularl around public safety, that w don't have to limit ou conversations around republica talking points - we can get at the root cause of violence in the city of chicago, and it be a marker fo the rest of the country. and many of our communitie have been disinvested in, joy, and i live in austin on th west side of chicago it's a beautiful community but it has been a neighborhood that has been disinvested in and so we are estimating conservatively anywhere from 150 million to $200 millio that may be infused into our economy. so, of course, i'm going t work hard to make sure tha those neighborhoods that hav experienced drought for generation, that we reroute th rivers, if you will, to make

sure that there is a real flow of investment to those communities. because that's ultimately what is going to help transform our neighborhoods. >> and are you all prepared -- are you prepared for what yo mentioned -- chicago is the favorite talkin point. they can't talk about gu violence or anything els without talking about chicago. are you prepared for wha they're going to dish out? >> well, absolutely. because my candidacy has certainly united people. it's been a multi cultural intergenerational movement tha captured the excitement of young people and even those in my father's generation, right? so, i literally had my younger brothers and sisters and cousins and our grandparents voting for me. and so that type of unity that we are bringing in and what th governor of illinois has done, what the united states senator tammy duckworth has done, with the business community has set forth -- that has been a collective effort and we are prepared not just t unite the city but, as you know, the midwest has been described as this blue wall, if you will >> yep >> so, i believe it or to be

impactful for the region a well >> - going to be mad at me if i don't nascar the obamas coming? have you gotten confirmation from baraka michelle omagh obama? because you know that's what people want to know. >> - fifth -- city of chicago, and my family wants to know what m conversation with presiden obama was like at some point we probably go to have a little bit of respect. can someone actually show some interest in me >> [laughter >> but i did have a really great conversation with th president. and he said, look, he' available. he and michelle, the first lady, and we talked a lot about what it means to be a black executive. and of course, what it means t raise a family and so, i'm looking for forwar to the obamas heading out with us in chicago and hopefully he shares some of that spotligh with a brother on the fift floor. >> and listen, you mad history. you kept the chicago, the seat the greatest moralit