woman's right of choice. we ought to have freedom for kids to go to school and not b insulted assaulted by a weapon of war there ought to be freedom to breathe and not be consumed by forest fire smoke because of climate change so i would say that we are a state that believes in freedom and others are welcome to come and join it. i think gretchen whitmer is tremendous governor. she's got a beautiful state. as you can come visit us a well >> [laughter >> so i'm glad to be the freedom party. >> well played governor. and all of you can go to candidate easily good to see you governor jay inslee of watching and that's all in for all in he will be back. you can join me on - alex wagner starts tonight nice to see you alex >> nice to see you ali >> this is not the last time we're gonna hear about peopl

talking about the beauty u north i will predict over th course of the year 2023 an possibly 24. before you >> have yourself an excellent. oh >> thanks to tom for joinin us tonight it was february 23rd of last year russia was on the brink o invading ukraine the midterm were just beginning to kic into high gear and this story broke in the ne york times >> two prosecutors leading new york trump inquiry resign, clouding cases future. two prosecutors in manhattan da's office quit out o frustration with the newly-erected elected alvi bragg was not being aggressive enough in prosecuting donald trump okay yes so that story now feels like it came from an alternate universe manhattan da bragg is now th first prosecutor to brin charges against former president over an alleged hush money scheme around the 2016 election so this picture of alvin bragg as a timid prosecutor afraid t take on donald trump, well

that picture doesn't seem to fit the bill anymore for weeks alvin bragg has been the victim of an onslaught slo of attacks on republicans, all eager to defend trump's. they've used antisemitism an racist dog whistles. and they have used congress. three weeks ago the chairman o the house judiciary committe jim jordan launched an unprecedented investigatio into bragg's office and th da's criminal probe of donal trump. now throughout all of this alvin bragg has consistently fired back at his republican critics. but today alvin bragg took things up a notch. in a lawsuit filed by federa court today da bragg sue congressman jordan for interfering with bragg's criminal case against trump. bragg's lawyers right in the filing that congressma jordan's investigation constitutes a, quote unprecedentedly brazen unconstitutional attack by members of congress. they continue, rather than

allowing the criminal proces to proceed in the ordinary course, of chairman jordan i the committee are participatin in a campaign of intimidation, retaliation, and obstruction brexit ernie's detail up campaign of constant harassmen by trump and his republica allies the tweets and the truth socia posts and the fox news interviews they cited tank truth social post calling bragg a - animal and a doctored image of trump holding a baseball bac next to alvin bragg's face so it really has been a lot. and then bragg and his lawyers right about what an absolute constitutional disaster it i to have congress meddling with the state investigation in terms of separation of powers. there are numerous legal citations in this complaint. like this one. federal intrusions into stat criminal trials frustrate both the state sovereign power to punish offenders and their goo faith attempts to hono

constitutional rights. so there's a lot in his 50-pag document, this complaint fro alvin bragg for the judge to two. on the most interesting part o the case brought by alvin brag today is what it tells us abou the real motive behind jim jordan's investigation brags lawsuit suggests that th reason chairman jordan is doin all of this isn't just t undermine manhattan da or test the bounds of the constitution but to get a good look at th evidence against donald trum in order to feed that evidence that information back to donal trump. ragged uses jordan o attempting to seek confidentia material for bag investigation. according to lawsuit congressman jordan has asked that all communications betwee your nine the new york count d.c. da's office in the u.s. department of justice rather federal law enforcemen agencies referring or relating to your offices investigatio

of president donald trump. this seems designed to sweep u as much information about th case against donald trump as possible and remember those two prosecutors who resigned i protest for bragg's office last year? their names were mark pomerant and carrie done. they had them working on a earlier broader investigatio into trump's under sigh vance. like i said the reason for quitting with alvin brag wasn't allegedly being aggressive enough to bring i that larger fraud case against donald trump which means that don and pomerantz probably know a lo about what the state's amassed against don trump. and jim jordan seems fairl obsessed with getting document from done and pomerantz. last week mr. jordan's peanu mr. pomrenze to testify before his committee to testify jordan has also asked da bra to turn over all documents and communications sent orders seized by dunn and pomerantz

referring related to president donald trump again that's probably a whol lot of important and reall relevant stuff especially if you're donald trump. the lawsuit also says that jordan is also seeking testimony from lawyers currently inside manhattan da' office lawyers who presumabl have up to date information on the case against donald trum lawyers who stepped in whe dunn and pomerantz stepped out so yes, this is a hous investigation. but who is really calling th shots here whose interest is actually the heart of all this? the da would seem to have some ideas on that front. the lawsuit cites reportin from cnn shows trump is in constant contact with certai members of congress. cohn who entered in himsel speaks regularly with th former president and then a quote albert brag saying this about jim jordan and two with his fello republican house chairman. based on the chairman' reportedly close collaboration with mr. trump in attackin

this office on the grand jur process it appears the chairma are acting more like a crimina defense counsel trying t gather evidence for a client then a legislative body seekin to achieve illegitimat legislative objective. joining us now harry sonic former attorney for th southern district of new york. i am eager to get your thought on this because there is a lot that is wrong apparently with jordan vest to geisha. >> oh yes. >> but first off what are th implications here and do you see a potentia link between the conversations that are clearly happening wit between house republicans an donald trump and the documents they are calling for as part o this alleged investigation >> absolutely. the request that you read fo information from jordan in his committee are designed to ge the prosecution's case file. things that might be oh to the president in discovery and als not on not oden discovery.

they want all of it and then they can do pretty muc whatever they want to do wit it when they don't seem terribl interested in gauche emote alvin bragg over a narrow se of materials this does seem to be the rea purpose here to help the presidents defense that's of course not a permissible purpose. >> that's not what congress is supposed to be doing the zeroing in on carrie dun and ron pomerantz what does it tell you about their interes in cy vance's investigation an the degree to which that may very much be alive issue insid the da's office? >> for one thing pomerantz wrote the book so it would be hard for him to categorically refused to answe questions. he can't say as easily as th district attorney can that i can't talk about any of this because he just wrote a book about. he may also have indicated and this is just speculation fro the fact that bragg did no wait for the subpoena to b enforced but instead affirmatively tried to quash the subpoena that perhaps he knew that pomerantz might show

up for his deposition or interview and therefore he's trying to get the court to prevent that from happening. >> you make mention of the boo which was not with the approva of the da's office it's clear that alvin bragg is not happy about of the publication of the book. but if you're trump and you're looking to amass you're lookin to gather your defense for a possible second criminal indictment maybe or the on that's already on the table ho much can he get from mar pomerantz? how much can he get from pomerantz that's not in th book >> if pomerantz is going to be forced to testify or is willin to testify, the interest the answer is a lot. he was the person along with carey dunn who was running thi investigation for at least a year although it was much broader than the charges that were brought. it encompass those charges a well so he no doubt knows a tremendous amount of information about the district attorney's concerns about th case they're assessment th internal deliberative proces in order to bring the proces

or not so they want him to testify. this lawsuit seems designed to prevent that >> they're also asking for communications between the da' office and the doj as it pertains to donald trump now presumably that's becaus they are seeing this house investigation has to deal with we want to see what the deal i saying to the da's office. but what could they glean from those communications beyon whether or not federal dollars were used correctly? >> we know the u.s. attorney's office in the southern distric did not pursue these charges we don't really know why it could be that they ha concerns about the state of th evidence it could be that michael cohen was not willing to go alon with the southern district program of admitting to all hi prior wrongdoing, which is par of what the southern distric choirs of cooperators. so they're hoping that there's something in those investigations that would help trump. not evidence with th assessment of the evidence of course exculpatory evidence

trump should get that's th constitution but not the internal chatter b the prosecutors. >> speaking of the constitutio we know what trump wants, we know what the house republican want presumably on trump's behalf what the da wants is for thi all to go away and on its face, this seem like a violation of th separation of powers, does i not? i'm not a lawyer, but ther seems to be so much good evidence in the da's favor i terms of basically's investigation cannot ensure no continue how do you read it >> in terms of the court question is are vali legislative purpose, w certainly haven't seen anythin from jordan that explains what that valid legislative purchas is we know there's a connection t federal funds and while they'r doesn't need to be much of a valid legislative purpose th courts have been prett differential to congress there needs to be something. we haven't really seen tha something yet. there is procedural hurdle that the district attorney wil have to encounter. sovereign immunity claims. there's a clause in th

constitution called the speech and debate clause. >> we are familiar with that o the show but you go ahead. >> it gives congress considerable authority here. but that authority is no unlimited. like so many times we have see in the trump era we are goin to make some precedent here. this is not a frequently litigated thing. mostly the person waits unti the subpoenas and forced then of course we saw over and over again in the trum administration >> we sure did >> but you say we don't know what this investigation is for on the part of house republicans. i have my theories right they have also been explicit and this is cited in da bragg' complaint. house speaker kevin mccarthy tweeting the house o representatives will hold alvi bragg and his unprecedente precedent and abuse of power t account. republican congressman dan bishop now on the hous judiciary committee tweets the subpoenas should now fly and indeed they have house oversight james comer in interview with the cnn sayin

bragg should explain to us wha he's investigating does that matter to those tweets, do thos explicit statements were gonna come get to alvin bragg, d those matter in the context of the judge was going to b handling this complaint for th da >> i think they will matter to the judge because they wil show that whatever is advanced first of all it's gonna have t be more than this for jordan t go forward with this but he will be allowed, jordan to come up with completely new rationales that are nowher allowed in his forme statements the way courts ought to look a this is the little legislato essentially have a do-over so i do think the statements will discredit whatever they come up with and to be sure if all they can come up with is what you'v just read that isn't enough. ut it won't be essentially u to the subjective statements b jordan the lawyers can now come in an offer some completely ne superficial pretextual explanation for what they're doing. that will be the clash i court. >> i have to say when you look

at this from the long lands of what this establishes in terms of partisan politics the weaponization of committees an weaponization of subpoena powe on congress some of the hous republicans that are issuing the subpoenas meddling in al of this are the same house republicans who defied subpoenas in a jerry six investigation. what precedent does that set a far as how congress function when you have taken somethin like the subpoena and used i for such explicitly partisan goals in this instance >> what is it the eighth circl of hail? a park russi this is within that definition of hypocrisy for people to oppose obviously legitimat congressional investigations such as january 6th, where there is a clear legislative purpose and then to come forward with this kind o stuff. it's very weak as you say it poses separation of powers issues if any district attorney can b forced to turn over their case file essentially to th

defendant it changes dramatically the structure tha the founders created >> what are the implications for fani willis the fulton county dna who's in the middle of her own investigation they may be charging decisions next month can congress do the same thing to her >> they certainly will i they're able to get away wit it here. and potentially with the doj investigation in there there maybe even an easier legislative purpose argument t make congressional oversight of the department of justice. ut it's totally unprecedente to go into an active investigation for all th reasons that you discussed grand jury material. confidential prosecutor file should not be disclosed to congress to help the defendant >> and this from the party tha once smaller government. let's intrusive government not meddling misstates fared >> and prolong enforcement o course >> yes we'll get into that eighth circle of hell hypocrisy harry sandick former u.s attorney for the souther

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be looking at anything and everything to fix the shortage so in-house democrats proposed a 20 million dollar fundin bill to give the fda some mone to help solve the problem, 192 republicans voted against it they were so incensed over these shortages that they vote against something that might help end it. got that the republicans who voted no call that fda fundin unnecessary. but the fda got creative while republicans were bus busy voting for its fundin against funding, the fda was using its authority to use not approved in florida formul that may have guidelines t enter the market so parents were able t purchase formula to othe countries thanks to th specific authority that the fd used the fda increased options fo formula which strengthen the supply chain which helpe babies get their food. now congress has given the fda pretty broad authority t regulate food and health

products, including allowing the use of an approved product on a case by case basis. legal experts say the fda ca now also use that broa authority for mifepristone, th first of two drugs typically used in medication abortions since a federal judge in texas ruled on friday that the fda's 23 year old approval o mifepristone is effectively on hold or maybe ultimately rescinded, access to mifepristone has been up in th air. depending on how this plays ou in courts, the fda may have to use its authority to allow a unapproved fda, an fda approve drug on the market, much lik it did during that reall important baby formula shortage that would allow the newly-unapproved drug, mifepristone, to remain on the u.s. market. it would ensure that the dru stays available for purchase and distribution for anyone wh needs it in states where abortion is legal, just like with the baby formula shortage even if conservatives don' like the solution. again, just like the bab formula shortage but first, before any of tha

happens, the fda in the bide ministration are relying on th courts last night just department o the fifth circuit court of the appeal to block a texas judge' ruling and maintain fd approval of the drug tonight we expect to see the antiabortion groups that are leading the charge against mifepristone we expect them to respond to that request as soon as tomorrow, the fifth circuit court of appeals could weigh in joining us now is missouri professor at you new yor university school of law co-host of the illegal fraud podcast scrutiny, and an and nbc legal analyst. thanks for joining us tonight. so what is your, i mean, the fifth circuit is a fairl conservative court of appeal >> that's a very generous wa to put, it alex. >> arch conservative i think 26 of the fifth circui judges were appointed by trump others appointed by reagan and george w. bush is it a foregone conclusio that they keep mifepristone of the market how do you see this playing out?

>> it could be the case that this ruling from judge matthew because merrick is so an principled and lawless and frankly so not smart that even the fifth circuit can't hold its nose and deferment so that's one option they could simply say this ruling is completely and principled and they coul invalidated. they could also uphold the ruling they could also do nothing right? they could pause the rulin while the appeal is pending. but either way, whatever the outcome, i think we know where this goes next that's to the united state supreme court. so this circuit is just an intermediary way station on th way, and the real question her is the landscape of chaos an confusion be heard from around the country, doctors who don't know what is possible, whether they can prescribe medicatio abortion we have heard about states stockpiling mifepristone stockpiling misoprostol. this seems like a soviet red line >> for anyone who is in need o

or who wants reproductiv choice and control the rol body, this is a terrifying moment when you talk about the blue states that are stockpilin mifepristone, does that make i all better, in a way or do you think there is a concern, if you're a doctor, are you worried abou litigation are you worried about the fact that this is not resolved issue? do you want to stay hands of when it comes to medicatio abortion >> i think there's a massive deterrent effect, and chilling effect on physicians because the landscape is so chaoti now. it's a case to gather newsom's dock filing mifepristone but if you're a physician in your licensing may depend on whether you stay good with and comply within the law. you may not want to risk it so there's a starting tur effect here just because of th chaos in the landscape i love that you relate and all of this back to the baby shortage formula the piece that did you not mention that i want to highlight. when all of that was going o there were a couple of rogue lawmakers who insisted tha this baby, shortages bab

formula shortage was of no moment because women had the natural capacity as mothers to lactate into provide breas milk to their children and the should do that all women should breastfeed. again, these things ar inexplicably intertwined this isn't about mifepriston where the agency or whether or not the fda approved this drug appropriately. it's about controlling women forcing women into their, quote, unquote, natural role as wives and mothers. so it all links back up to this >> women's bodies >> two women's bodies, controlling women, making thei mothers whether they want to b or not >> but i will point out, the hypocrisy of forcing women t be mothers and then when the have those babies not doin everything in their power to make sure those babies are fed >> it's a very weird pro-lif ethic. that you have. they're pro-life but not necessarily for the whole life >> right for some abstract part of. it >> for the in in utero life >> when we talk about scotus

-- when >> we talk about scotus political scotus ordinar scotus -- >> we're gonna talk abou scotus is a currently stands i think people assume, here' the layup they've been waiting for all forms abortion everywhere and yet there are some justices, kavanaugh and roberts about a among, them wh seemed like they were a bi hesitant to strike down roe. obviously not enough to no abide it but when it comes to this, w cascade effect of a ruling i favor of the antiabortio groups, the plaintiffs here, o the drug industry, the fda, th governments, the fda's ability to regulate any drug catastrophic do you think it's a foregone conclusion >> i think this is wide open before the court again, we have to remember the

central conceit of jobs is tha roe and casey rested an issu that should've been decided by the people from the people and imposed in judicial resolution all that dobbs was doing was merely returning this to the people for a state by stat deliberation if the court really wants to say that with a straight fac and then a year later approv this decision where a single judge in the courthouse in amarillo gets to decide for th whole country what happens vis-à-vis medication abortion it reveals the lie of dobbs. i have already said what i think the lie of dobbs's and then dobbs is merely a weigh station. it's on the road to feta personhood and a complete an total abolition of abortion in this country this weekend many variou members of the pro-lif coalition were like, yeah, that's exactly what we'r doing. >> there explicit >> their explicit if you're in the court new standing by this position ever return to democratic process o the vexed and fraught issue, you can't abide by this on

judge in amarillo, texas, doin this this will present a real challenge for justice kavanaugh, who wrote in his very pained concurrence that the constitution is neutral on the question of abortion it's either it's neither pro-choice nor pro-life an we've got to be neutral. two women have the right t make this choice and they ca do so in the state level it can persuade their stat legislatures, they can persuad their congress >> and they have been. [laughter] >> and they have been. so again, it's coach is a pr democracy scotus is it not interest it in democracy? those are the broader question that underlie this case as i goes up to the court >> just to be really particularly pessimistic, so put a gimlet eye on this, on this tv, the fact that he wo 40 pharmaceutical companie have waited, when you talk about political at scotus, big pharma matters to people t quiet, and maybe they have som sway on this issue in terms of

amicus, will be inevitably finalist goes to scotus. >> big pharma has made their voices known throughout all of this and i think, again, it shows that this case goes beyond abortion and touches a lot o conservative bugaboos. this is also about the administrative state and whether we can have regulation and so this is not simply an assault on medication abortion it's an assault on the fda's administrative agency that act under a democratically appointed mandate to do certai things this is according to a skeptical of the administrativ state in certain cases this presents a real conflic you could stick to abortions stick to the administrativ state, we can also be sticking into the idea of the rule of law. >> - sophie's choice. >> it is sophie's choice which maybe will you pick? >> i melissa murray, thank you fo joining us and to get your wisdom on this fraught topic we have more to come and scenic, looting whether republicans ar starting to recognize that the are on the wrong sid

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predicted, republicans wer swept. democrats were taking contro of all their state legislatures, they flooded the republica chambers in michigan and pet mania, taking a senate seat, and they kept their house laws to the signal digits so you would think, perhaps, the republicans might have learned a lesson but no instead, they went back to the drawing board. and adopted a resolution urgin lawmakers all over the country to pass the strongest pro-life legislation possible many of them did and the results of that, man argue, is this a conservative candidate i election - losing last week by 11 points. the liberal who won the race focused her election squarel on abortion. and so now, and cold air has another message. the demand for anti abortion legislation just cos republicans another crucia race pro-lifers, we won abortion is not a couldn't sto institutional writing more please stop pushing stri limits on abortion, or there

will be no republicans left. the question is, wil republicans listen today politico is reportin that inside the party' headquarters, that has bee recognition that republicans need to change their message o abortion with pollsters arguin for a more moderate attack this is not the only big issue republicans may be reconsidering. they are also getting massiv backlash for opposing gu safety measures, especiall after republicans in tennessee last week expelled to blac democratic lawmakers from th state legislature for leadin protests after a schoo shooting in nashville left six people dead. then yesterday came anothe mass shooting, this time i louisville, kentucky, killin five people and injuring eight and while republicans have chosen to remain silent, today tennessee's republican governo signed an executive orde strengthening background check for gun purchases. he also called on lawmakers to pass a so-called red flag law, which will remove guns fro people who pros a danger t others or themselves

joining us now is claire mccaskill, former u.s. senator from missouri and an msnbc analyst. click, it is always good to se you. what an extraordinary series o events that have pushe abortion and gun safety to the very top of the national attention span, if you will. to the national media, and certainly our collective american imaginations. do you think that governor lee's behavior in tennessee, that these moments could b inflection points for ou republican party that ha seemed so out of step with mainstream americans on thes two issues >> i doubt it. this is something that the have embraced in the base of their party. as you can see, the rmc put ou something after the -- decision saying, keep going, g as far as you can. legislatures across the country, including my in my state, have made every abortion illegal,

including for victims of rap and incest from the moment of conception, there is no grace period whatsoever in my legislature here i missouri, the republicans in block -- openly carry guns. so they clearly have no filter on realizing that they are going too far. and frankly, on both abortio and guns, there are claims t want to protect children b banning books and making sur that there are no drag shows anywhere, those are -- hollow point bullets that they refused to regularly protecting life is not their priority, and nor is protectin children i kind of hope that there will be some parents, - that decided to allow th bodies of their dead childre to be shown to america so we can't pressure it aside.

it is a sounding to me how far they have gone and it is astounding to me that they kee pushing with huge help thing of hypocrisy >> yeah. we know that, we could even ge more, we could get worse for the gop in so far as, in the wake of these two mass shootings, you have governor - trying to do something about it, but you also have this week th meeting of the nra, i believe, annual leadership forum in indiana, where republicans are expected to attend and bend th knee to the national rifle association. you have, you know, on governor on one hand doing something to increase gu safety, if you will, however - margins it is, then you have ron desantis in florid allowing concealed weapons without a permanent. i guess on guns, the picture i very complicated and o abortion is even not here, but i do think the chasm eri

ruling on meth to press ston throws the party into such a extraordinary -- not just on the subject of abortion but on the basi principles of the government being able to regulate drugs do you think there is any hope that republicans will voice an doubt about whether this law should suit should go through? >> well, i will say this the off the wall la la decisio by this, i mean, as a lawyer reading the opinion, it is jaw-dropping that when you rea the opinion because he blows u on the most conservative tenants of a rule of law i america, like standing, like timeliness, like exhaustion of administrative remedies. these are all very conservativ principles that have been blow up in the political name o trying to limit abortion everywhere and, by the way, the hypocrisy there, i mean, remember afte dobbs when all the republicans that we want the states to

decide no they don't. no they don't. this texas decision is in fact a lawsuit. really masquerading for political desire to outlaw abortions everywhere and i thought it was great tha you spent some time on hig capacity magazines i do not understand ho anyone's desire to shoot s many bullets in such a short period of time are necessary for their enjoyment of ownin guns i do not understand that and i don't think most americans do especially when they are use to slaughter >> yeah. i mean, the reason you hav high capacity magazines is for the battlefield. and that is, you know, why i the vietnam war soldiers had ar-15s that were armed with te round magazines. i think the question is, if we set aside the republican party for a minute, there is the question of how democrat handle this moment, right?

it is not that we are having mass shootings in this country it is not good that children are being slaughtered. democrats have to at once make republicans pay a price fo that, but they also need to do something to fix the problem what else can and should the biden administration be doin broadly on the subject of gu safety reform? >> well, the truth is, the way our government is designed alex it is, very hard fo president to do much wit executive power on issues like this, whether the abortion o whether it be gun safety and gun reform this really has to come from the people, it has to come fro legislative bodies, both local state and federal legislativ bodies we have to decide we are not going to be -- in the world we have to decide that it is politically unacceptable t have your children hold ar-15s weapons of war, for a christma card we have to decide that it is

unacceptable to elect anyone who takes home an american fla on their lapel and proudly put an ar-15 on instead. that is up to the voters o this country to decide tha they have had enough and my hope is, what we saw in wisconsin with young people, i that we replicate it next year where young people who by huge margins are rejecting th extremism whether it is -- no abortions for anyone, the government is forced birth whether it is climate change o whether it is the younge generation that gets it whiffed show up, we wil finally make real movement, on getting wind of weapons of war that are sauntering children innocently in schools. >> claire mccaskill, it is always great to talk to. thank you for your time an thoughts tonight, claire >> you bet thank. you >> we have one more stor for you tonight, a story about buckman-ing in public librarie that is so egregious you might assume it is happening in th state of florida but think again. that story is next

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the agenda from a specia meeting this week of the llano county texas commissioners a discussion about whether t continue or cease operations o the current physical llano county library system. officials in lanto county, texas, which is community abou 22,000 people and this is abou 80 miles outside of the stat capital, they have been ordere by a federal judge to return about a dozen items that wer removed from the countie library system after - some citizens complained among them, books that cover race lgbtq matters and puberty including cast, the origins of our discontents -- wilkerson's examination of racism in america, being jazz, my life is a trench gender tee by jazz jennings a birth, a book about the birt of the ku klux klan, along wit a handful of kids books abou

farting, because that is all kids, or at least my kids, are interesting in seven residents of leno county sued county pistols to get those books back on the shelves, claiming that defendants - eradicate pornographic materials. this is pretext, none the book defendants have targeted is to pornographic the case goes to trial decotea but, the federal - in the meantime. at a meeting of the county board of commissioners thi week, members of the publi reportedly applauded after one women said if they insist on having the books and if we don't win again, they will jus close down after which, the board decided to hold an emergency meeting this thursday where they may just vote to shut all th libraries down inland to len county so there is a very rea possibility that a fight of oval or about a dozen books ma cause an entire community to lose access to every book. that is the show for tonight we will see you -- last word with lawrenc o'donnell. good evening lawrence.

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