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up late with us. i will see you at the end of tomorrow >> it was february 23rd of las year, russia was on the brin of invading ukraine th midterms were just beginning t kick into high gear. and this story broke in the ne york times >> two prosecutors leading new york trump inquiry resign, clouding cases future. two prosecutors in manhattan da's office quit out o frustration with the newly-erected elected alvi bragg was not being aggressive enough in prosecuting donald trump okay yes so that story now feels like it came from an alternate universe manhattan da bragg is now th first prosecutor to brin charges against former president over an alleged hush money scheme around the 2016 election so this picture of alvin bragg as a timid prosecutor afraid t take on donald trump, well
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that picture doesn't seem to fit the bill anymore for weeks alvin bragg has been the victim of an onslaught slo of attacks on republicans, all eager to defend trump's. they've used antisemitism an racist dog whistles. and they have used congress. three weeks ago the chairman o the house judiciary committe jim jordan launched an unprecedented investigatio into bragg's office and the da 's criminal probe of donal trump. now throughout all of this alvin bragg has consistently fired back at his republican critics. but today alvin bragg took things up a notch. in a lawsuit filed by federa court today da bragg sue congressman jordan for interfering with bragg's criminal case against trump. bragg's lawyers right in the filing that congressman jordan 's investigation constitutes a quote, unprecedentedly braze unconstitutional attack by members of congress. they continue, rather than allowing the criminal proces
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to proceed in the ordinary course, of chairman jordan i the committee are participatin in a campaign of intimidation, retaliation, and obstruction brexit ernie's detail up campaign of constant harassmen by trump and his republica allies the tweets and the truth socia posts and the fox news interviews they cited tank truth social post calling bragg a - animal and a doctored image of trump holding a baseball bac next to alvin bragg's face so it really has been a lot. and then bragg and his lawyers right about what an absolute constitutional disaster it i to have congress meddling with the state investigation in terms of separation of powers. there are numerous legal citations in this complaint. like this one. federal intrusions into stat criminal trials frustrate both the state sovereign power to punish offenders and their goo
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faith attempts to hono constitutional rights. so there's a lot in his 50-pag document, this complaint fro alvin bragg for the judge to two. on the most interesting part o the case brought by alvin brag today is what it tells us abou the real motive behind jim jordan's investigation brags lawsuit suggests that th reason chairman jordan is doin all of this isn't just t undermine manhattan da or test the bounds of the constitution but to get a good look at th evidence against donald trum in order to feed that evidence that information back to donal trump. ragged uses jordan o attempting to seek confidentia material for bag investigation. according to lawsuit congressman jordan has asked that all communications betwee your nine the new york count d. c. da's office in the u.s department of justice rather federal law enforcemen agencies referring or relating
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to your offices investigatio of president donald trump. this seems designed to sweep u as much information about th case against donald trump as possible and remember those two prosecutors who resigned i protest for bragg's office last year? their names were mark pomerant and carrie done. they had them working on a earlier broader investigatio into trump's under sigh vance. like i said the reason for quitting with alvin brag wasn't allegedly being aggressive enough to bring i that larger fraud case against donald trump which means that don and pomerantz probably know a lo about what the state's amassed against don trump. and jim jordan seems fairl obsessed with getting document from done and pomerantz. last week mr. jordan's peanu mr. pomrenze to testify before
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his committee to testify jordan has also asked da bra to turn over all documents and communications sent orders seized by dunn and pomerantz referring related to president donald trump again that's probably a whol lot of important and reall relevant stuff especially if you're donald trump. the lawsuit also says that jordan is also seeking testimony from lawyers currently inside manhattan da' office lawyers who presumabl have up to date information on the case against donald trum lawyers who stepped in whe dunn and pomerantz stepped out so yes, this is a hous investigation. but who is really calling th shots here whose interest is actually the heart of all this? the da would seem to have some ideas on that front. the lawsuit cites reportin from cnn shows trump is in constant contact with certai members of congress. cohn who entered in himsel speaks regularly with th former president and then a quote albert brag saying this about jim jordan and two with his fello republican house chairman. based on the chairman' reportedly close collaboration with mr. trump in attackin this office on the grand jur process it appears the chairma
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are acting more like a crimina defense counsel trying t gather evidence for a client then a legislative body seekin to achieve illegitimat legislative objective. joining us now harry sonic former attorney for th southern district of new york. i am eager to get your thought on this because there is a lot that is wrong apparently with jordan vest to geisha. >> oh yes. >> but first off what are th implications here and do you see a potentia link between the conversations that are clearly happening wit between house republicans an donald trump and the documents they are calling for as part o this alleged investigation >> absolutely. the request that you read fo
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information from jordan in his committee are designed to ge the prosecution's case file. things that might be oh to the president in discovery and als not on not oden discovery. they want all of it and then they can do pretty muc whatever they want to do wit it when they don't seem terribl interested in gauche emote alvin bragg over a narrow se of materials this does seem to be the rea purpose here to help the presidents defense that's of course not a permissible purpose. >> that's not what congress is supposed to be doing the zeroing in on carrie dun and ron pomerantz what does it tell you about their interes in cy vance's investigation an the degree to which that may very much be alive issue insid the da's office? >> for one thing pomerantz wrote the book so it would be hard for him to categorically refused to answe questions. he can't say as easily as th district attorney can that i can't talk about any of this because he just wrote a book about. he may also have indicated and this is just speculation fro the fact that bragg did no wait for the subpoena to b enforced but instead affirmatively tried to quash the subpoena that perhaps he
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knew that pomerantz might show up for his deposition or interview and therefore he's trying to get the court to prevent that from happening. >> you make mention of the boo which was not with the approva of the da's office it's clear that alvin bragg is not happy about of the publication of the book. but if you're trump and you're looking to amass you're lookin to gather your defense for a possible second criminal indictment maybe or the on that's already on the table ho much can he get from mar pomerantz? how much can he get from pomerantz that's not in th book >> if pomerantz is going to be forced to testify or is willin to testify, the interest the answer is a lot. he was the person along with carey dunn who was running thi investigation for at least a year although it was much broader than the charges that were brought. it encompass those charges a well so he no doubt knows a tremendous amount of information about the district attorney's concerns about th case they're assessment th internal deliberative proces in order to bring the proces
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or not so they want him to testify. this lawsuit seems designed to prevent that >> they're also asking for communications between the da' office and the doj as it pertains to donald trump now presumably that's becaus they are seeing this house investigation has to deal with we want to see what the deal i saying to the da's office. but what could they glean from those communications beyon whether or not federal dollars were used correctly? >> we know the u.s. attorney's office in the southern distric did not pursue these charges we don't really know why it could be that they ha concerns about the state of th evidence it could be that michael cohen was not willing to go alon with the southern district program of admitting to all hi prior wrongdoing, which is par of what the southern distric choirs of cooperators. so they're hoping that there's something in those investigations that would help trump. not evidence with th assessment of the evidence of course exculpatory evidence
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trump should get that's th constitution but not the internal chatter b the prosecutors. >> speaking of the constitutio we know what trump wants, we know what the house republican want presumably on trump's behalf what the da wants is for thi all to go away and on its face, this seem like a violation of th separation of powers, does i not? i'm not a lawyer, but ther seems to be so much good evidence in the da's favor i terms of basically's investigation cannot ensure no continue how do you read it >> in terms of the court question is are vali legislative purpose, w certainly haven't seen anythin from jordan that explains what that valid legislative purchas is we know there's a connection t federal funds and while they'r doesn't need to be much of a valid legislative purpose th courts have been prett differential to congress there needs to be something. we haven't really seen tha something yet. there is procedural hurdle that the district attorney wil have to encounter. sovereign immunity claims. there's a clause in th
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constitution called the speech and debate clause. >> we are familiar with that o the show but you go ahead. >> it gives congress considerable authority here. but that authority is no unlimited. like so many times we have see in the trump era we are goin to make some precedent here. this is not a frequently litigated thing. mostly the person waits unti the subpoenas and forced then of course we saw over and over again in the trum administration >> we sure did >> but you say we don't know what this investigation is for on the part of house republicans. i have my theories right they have also been explicit and this is cited in da bragg' complaint. house speaker kevin mccarthy tweeting the house o representatives will hold alvi bragg and his unprecedente precedent and abuse of power t account. republican congressman dan bishop now on the hous judiciary committee tweets the subpoenas should now fly and indeed they have house oversight james comer in interview with the cnn sayin bragg should explain to us wha
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he's investigating does that matter to those tweets, do thos explicit statements were gonna come get to alvin bragg, d those matter in the context of the judge was going to b handling this complaint for th da >> i think they will matter to the judge because they wil show that whatever is advanced first of all it's gonna have t be more than this for jordan t go forward with this but he will be allowed, jordan to come up with completely new rationales that are nowher allowed in his forme statements the way courts ought to look a this is the little legislato essentially have a do-over so i do think the statements will discredit whatever they come up with and to be sure if all they can come up with is what you'v just read that isn't enough. but it won't be essentially up to the subjective statements b jordan the lawyers can now come in an offer some completely ne superficial pretextual explanation for what they're doing. that will be the clash i court. >> i have to say when you look at this from the long lands of what this establishes in terms of partisan politics the weaponization of committees an weaponization of subpoena powe on congress some of the hous republicans that are issuing
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the subpoenas meddling in al of this are the same house republicans who defied subpoenas in a jerry six investigation. what precedent does that set a far as how congress function when you have taken somethin like the subpoena and used i for such explicitly partisan goals in this instance >> what is it the eighth circl of hail? a park russi this is within that definition of hypocrisy for people to oppose obviously legitimat congressional investigations such as january 6th, where there is a clear legislative purpose and then to come forward with this kind o stuff. it's very weak as you say it poses separation of powers issues if any district attorney can b forced to turn over their case file essentially to th defendant it changes dramatically the structure tha the founders created >> what are the implications for fani willis the fulton county dna who's in the middle of her own investigation they may be charging decisions next month
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can congress do the same thing to her >> they certainly will i they're able to get away wit it here. and potentially with the doj investigation in there there maybe even an easier legislative purpose argument t make congressional oversight of the department of justice. but it's totally unprecedented to go into an active investigation for all th reasons that you discussed grand jury material. confidential prosecutor file should not be disclosed to congress to help the defendant >> and this from the party tha once smaller government. let's intrusive government not meddling misstates fared >> and prolong enforcement o course >> yes we'll get into that eighth circle of hell hypocrisy harry sandick former u.s
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attorney for the souther district of new york thanks for making time we have a lot more to get to this evening as authorities in louisville kentucky confirmed that th shooter who killed five at a bank yesterday used very familiar weapon. plus of the biden ministration 's actions last year t overcome a shortage of bab formula may inform what happen this year in the fight ove medication abortion. that's coming up ♪ what is it about the first warm breeze of the season that makes you feel lighter than air?
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huge shortage of baby formul in this country? it went on for months and it was really pretty scary. by may of 2022, more than 40 of u.s. baby formula supplie were out of stock. some stores were limitin customers to three baby formul abroad products per purchase parents were getting stressed, worried, and we're strugglin with hungry babies no republicans professed outrage, but they love the politics of this they hammered the bide ministration on it they called the white hous incompetent, saying joe bide simply has no plan house republicans staged press conferences to slam biden an slammed the fda. a lot of them featuring images of empty shelves where bab formula was supposed to be congresswoman elise stefan said this investigation should be looking at anything and everything to fix the shortage
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so in-house democrats proposed a 20 million dollar fundin bill to give the fda some mone to help solve the problem, 192 republicans voted against it they were so incensed over these shortages that they vote against something that might help end it. got that the republicans who voted no call that fda fundin unnecessary. but the fda got creative while republicans were bus busy voting for its fundin against funding, the fda was using its authority to use not approved in florida formul that may have guidelines t enter the market so parents were able t purchase formula to othe countries thanks to th specific authority that the fd used the fda increased options fo formula which strengthen the supply chain which helpe babies get their food. now congress has given the fda pretty broad authority t regulate food and health products, including allowing the use of an approved product on a case by case basis. legal experts say the fda ca
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now also use that broa authority for mifepristone, th first of two drugs typically used in medication abortions since a federal judge in texas ruled on friday that the fda's 23 year old approval o mifepristone is effectively on hold or maybe ultimately rescinded, access to mifepristone has been up in th air. depending on how this plays ou in courts, the fda may have to use its authority to allow a unapproved fda, an fda approve drug on the market, much lik it did during that reall important baby formula shortage that would allow the newly-unapproved drug, mifepristone, to remain on the u.s. market. it would ensure that the dru stays available for purchase and distribution for anyone wh needs it in states where abortion is legal, just like with the baby formula shortage even if conservatives don' like the solution. again, just like the bab formula shortage but first, before any of tha happens, the fda in the bide ministration are relying on th courts last night just department o the fifth circuit court of the appeal to block a texas judge' ruling and maintain fd approval of the drug tonight we expect to see the antiabortion groups that are leading the charge against mifepristone
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we expect them to respond to that request as soon as tomorrow, the fifth circuit court of appeals could weigh in joining us now is missouri professor at you new yor university school of law co-host of the illegal fraud podcast scrutiny, and an and nbc legal analyst. thanks for joining us tonight. so what is your, i mean, the fifth circuit is a fairl conservative court of appeal >> that's a very generous wa to put, it alex. >> arch conservative i think 26 of the fifth circui judges were appointed by trump others appointed by reagan and george w. bush is it a foregone conclusio that they keep mifepristone of the market
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how do you see this playing out? >> it could be the case that this ruling from judge matthew because merrick is so an principled and lawless and frankly so not smart that even the fifth circuit can't hold its nose and deferment so that's one option they could simply say this ruling is completely and principled and they coul invalidated. they could also uphold the ruling they could also do nothing right? they could pause the rulin while the appeal is pending. but either way, whatever the outcome, i think we know where this goes next that's to the united state supreme court. so this circuit is just an intermediary way station on th way, and the real questionhere is the landscape of chaos an confusion be heard from around the country, doctors who don't know what is possible, whether they can prescribe medicatio abortion we have heard about states stockpiling mifepristone stockpiling misoprostol. this seems like a soviet red line >> for anyone who is in need o
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or who wants reproductiv choice and control the rol body, this is a terrifying moment when you talk about the blue states that are stockpilin mifepristone, does that make i all better, in a way or do you think there is a concern, if you're a doctor, are you worried abou litigation are you worried about the fact that this is not resolved issue? do you want to stay hands of when it comes to medicatio abortion >> i think there's a massive deterrent effect, and chilling effect on physicians because the landscape is so chaoti now. it's a case to gather newsom's dock filing mifepristone but if you're a physician in your licensing may depend on whether you stay good with and comply within the law. you may not want to risk it so there's a starting tur effect here just because of th chaos in the landscape i love that you relate and all of this back to the baby shortage formula the piece that did you not mention that i want to highlight. when all of that was going o there were a couple of rogue lawmakers who insisted tha this baby, shortages bab formula shortage was of no moment because women had the natural capacity as mothers to
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lactate into provide breas milk to their children and the should do that all women should breastfeed. again, these things ar inexplicably intertwined this isn't about mifepriston where the agency or whether or not the fda approved this drug appropriately. it's about controlling women forcing women into their, quote, unquote, natural role as wives and mothers. so it all links back up to this >> women's bodies >> two women's bodies, controlling women, making thei mothers whether they want to b or not >> but i will point out, the hypocrisy of forcing women t be mothers and then when the have those babies not doin everything in their power to make sure those babies are fed >> it's a very weird pro-lif ethic. that you have. they're pro-life but not necessarily for the whole life >> right for some abstract part of. it >> for the in in utero life >> when we talk about scotus -- when >> we talk about scotus
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political scotus ordinar scotus -- >> we're gonna talk abou scotus is a currently stands i think people assume, here' the layup they've been waiting for all forms abortion everywhere and yet there are some justices, kavanaugh and roberts about a among, them wh seemed like they were a bi hesitant to strike down roe. obviously not enough to no abide it but when it comes to this, w cascade effect of a ruling i favor of the antiabortio groups, the plaintiffs here, o the drug industry, the fda, th governments, the fda's ability to regulate any drug catastrophic do you think it's a foregone conclusion >> i think this is wide open before the court again, we have to remember the central conceit of jobs is tha roe and casey rested an issu that should've been decided by
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the people from the people and imposed in judicial resolution all that dobbs was doing was merely returning this to the people for a state by stat deliberation if the court really wants to say that with a straight fac and then a year later approv this decision where a single judge in the courthouse in amarillo gets to decide for th whole country what happens vis-à-vis medication abortion it reveals the lie of dobbs. i have already said what i think the lie of dobbs's and then dobbs is merely a weigh station. it's on the road to feta personhood and a complete an total abolition of abortion in this country this weekend many variou members of the pro-lif coalition were like, yeah, that's exactly what we'r doing. >> there explicit >> their explicit if you're in the court new standing by this position ever return to democratic process o the vexed and fraught issue, you can't abide by this on judge in amarillo, texas, doin this this will present a real challenge for justice kavanaugh,
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who wrote in his very pained concurrence that the constitution is neutral on the question of abortion it's either it's neither pro-choice nor pro-life an we've got to be neutral. two women have the right t make this choice and they ca do so in the state level it can persuade their stat legislatures, they can persuad their congress >> and they have been. [laughter] >> and they have been. so again, it's coach is a pr democracy scotus is it not interest it in democracy? those are the broader question that underlie this case as i goes up to the court >> just to be really particularly pessimistic, so put a gimlet eye on this, on this tv, the fact that he wo 40 pharmaceutical companie have waited, when you talk about political at scotus, big pharma matters to people t quiet, and maybe they have som sway on this issue in terms of amicus, will be inevitably finalist goes to scotus.
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>> big pharma has made their voices known throughout all of this and i think, again, it shows that this case goes beyond abortion and touches a lot o conservative bugaboos. this is also about the administrative state and whether we can have regulation and so this is not simply an assault on medication abortion it's an assault on the fda's administrative agency that act under a democratically appointed mandate to do certai things this is according to a skeptical of the administrativ state in certain cases this presents a real conflic you could stick to abortions stick to the administrativ state, we can also be sticking into the idea of the rule of law. >> - sophie's choice. >> it is sophie's choice which maybe will you pick? >> i melissa murray, thank you fo joining us and to get your wisdom on this fraught topic we have more to come and scenic, looting whether republicans ar starting to recognize that the are on the wrong sid politically when it comes to abortion and two guns. plus, while the gun use in yesterday's deadly attack in
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auctioned off. think about that that murder weapon will be bac on the streets one day under kentucky's current law >> that was louisville mayor craig greenberg at a press conference this afternoo talking about the ar-15 assaul rifle that the gunman in louisville had legally purchased just a week ago. a weapon the gunman used yesterday to kill five peopl and wounded eight more at louisville bank. the mayor's office is going to make sure that the firing pi is removed from that weapo before it's handed over to the state. which will make the weapon temporarily in operable, but that is all the state la allows it to do. the gun has to be handed ove to the state and it has to b auctioned off unless state legislators change the law which means that another ar-15 will be back on the streets. tonight, authorities i louisville were released bod cam footage from the shootin shows just how quickly the police were able to get unseen
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into the the shooter there -- were between the call and when police got to the scene. there are three minutes afte that the police had taken ou the shooter. so it was an incredibly fast and brave response but again, in just those nin minutes, the shooter had kille five people and wounded eigh more now there is surely going to b a lot of talk about th shooter's motive and menta state, but i think the mayor's right to be focused on the gun here this type of gun in particular which is the ar-15 if you remember just two weeks back the shooter at th national covenant school als used an ar-15. they killed six people, thre kids and three adults, in less than 15 minutes. the club q shooting that kille five people last year also a ar-15. the highland park parade shooting on the 4th of jul last year was an ar-15 style weapon you've all day, an air 15,
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buffalo, ar-15 at the ten deadliest mas shooting since 2012, six o them used ar-15 style weapons. even if they were not using th specific gun, all ten of the deadliest mass shootings since 2012 you semiautomatic weapons with what are now known as a large capacity magazines they are probably what you think of when you think of a ar-15, the giant curve par coming out of the bottom, that holds the bullets. the vietnam war u.s. soldier used to use magazines with 2 bullets in the war today the ar-15 another semi automatic weapons are regularl sold to civilians with at leas 30 bullet magazines. you can buy magazines that hol 100 bullets for about 100 box. now when congress passed the federal assault weapons ban in 1984, it also prohibited magazines for more than te rounds that law is no longer in place the mayor of louisville is focused on this one specific ar-15 and this one kentucky la because that is a law he think he might be able to influenc
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the state legislature to change but nationally it is just as obvious that we need to star regulating ar-15s and high capacity magazines overall those should be political slam dunks. 63% of american adults favor banning assault style weapon altogether 64% of american adults favor banning high-capacit magazines. so how are we still here how have republicans prevented any serious movement on gu control when common sense gu control is so popular? and why are we still here? why specifically are republicans still here former missouri senator claire mccaskill is going to join m next to talk about that and lot more are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh waaaay longer than detergent alone. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters. asking the right question
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and see where it leads. ♪ the first step begins at the lincoln spring sales event. going on now, for a limited time. >> last year, after the suprem court overturned roe v. wade and cold to her, the conservative pundit, tol followers not to worry. sh sure than that overturning roe wasn't going to help democrats outside of the media, no one seems especially bothered by the decision, or to have noticed it. okay. colder's meg said she seems to have resonated among republicans. other than racing for backlash they pushed through even mor radical antiabortion measures, all over the country. and then the midterms happened. and contrary to why and cultur predicted, republicans wer swept. democrats were taking control of all their state legislatures, they flooded the republican chambers in michiga
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and pets mania, taking a senat seat, and they kept their hous laws to the signal digits. s you would think, perhaps, th republicans might have learned a lesson. but no. instead, the went back to the drawing board and adopted a resolution urgin lawmakers all over the country to pass the strongest pro-life legislation possible. many o them did. and the results of that, many argue, is this. a conservative candidate i election -- losing last week b 11 points. the liberal who won the race focused her electio squarely on abortion. and so now, and cold air has anothe message. the demand for anti abortion legislation just cost republicans another crucia race. pro-lifers, we won abortion is not a couldn't sto institutional writing more please stop pushing stri limits on abortion, or there will be no republicans left. the question is, wil republicans listen? toda
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politico is reporting that inside the party's headquarters, that has been recognition that republicans need to change their message on abortion with pollsters arguing for a more moderate attack. this is not the only big issue republicans may be reconsidering. they are also getting massive backlas for opposing gun safet measures, especially after republicans in tennessee las week expelled to black democratic lawmakers from th state legislature for leadin protests after a schoo shooting in nashville left six people dead. then yesterda came another mass shooting this time in louisville, kentucky, killing five peopl and injuring eight. and whil republicans have chosen to remain silent, today tennessee's republican governo signed an executive orde strengthening background check for gun purchases. he also called on lawmakers to pass so-called red flag law, whic will remove guns from people who pros a danger to others or themselves. joining us now i claire mccaskill, former u.s senator from missouri and an msnbc analyst. click, it i always good to see you. what a extraordinary series of events that have pushed abortion an gun safety to the very top o
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the national attention span, i you will. to the national media, and certainly our collective american imaginations. do yo think that governor lee' behavior in tennessee, tha these moments could be inflection points for ou republican party that ha seemed so out of step with mainstream americans on thes two issues >> i doubt it. this is something that they have embraced in the base of thei party. as you can see, the rmc put out something after the -- decision saying, keep going, g as far as you can. legislature across the country, includin my in my state, have made ever abortion illegal, including fo victims of rape and incest from the moment of conception, there is no grace period whatsoever. in my legislatur here in missouri, th republicans in block -- openly carry guns. so they clearl have no filter on realizin that they are going too far.
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and frankly, on both abortio and guns, there are claims t want to protect children b banning books and making sur that there are no drag shows anywhere, those are -- hollo point bullets that they refuse to regularly. protecting lif is not their priority, and nor is protecting children. i kind of hope that there will be som parents, -- that decided t allow the bodies of their dead children to be shown t america. so we can't pressur it aside. it is a sounding t me how far they have gone an it is astounding to me tha they keep pushing with hug help things of hypocrisy >> yeah. we know that, we coul even get more, we could ge
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worse for the gop in so far as in the wake of these two mas shootings, you have governor - trying to do something about it, but you also have this week th meeting of the nra, i believe, annual leadership forum in indiana, where republicans are expected to attend and bend th knee to the national rifle association. you have, you know, one governor on one hand doing something to increase gu safety, if you will, however - margins it is, then you have ron desantis in florid allowing concealed weapons without a permanent. i guess o guns, the picture is ver complicated and on abortion is even not here, but i do thin the chasm eric ruling on met
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to press stone throws the part into such an extraordinary - not just on the subject of abortion but on the basi principles of the government being able to regulate drugs do you think there is any hope that republicans will voice an doubt about whether this law should suit should go through? >> well, i will say this. th off the wall la la decision by this, i mean, as a lawyer, reading the opinion, it is jaw-dropping that when you rea the opinion because he blows u on the most conservative tenants of a rule of law i america, like standing, like timeliness, like exhaustion of administrative remedies. these are all very conservativ principles that have been blow up in the political name o trying to limit abortion everywhere. and, by the way, the hypocrisy there, i mean, remember after dobbs when al the republicans that we want the states to decide? no the don't. no they don't. this texas decision is in fact lawsuit. really masquerading for a political desire t outlaw abortions everywhere. and i thought it was great tha
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you spent some time on hig capacity magazines. i do not understand how anyone's desire to shoot so many bullets i such a short period of time ar necessary for their enjoymen of owning guns. i do not understand that. and i don't think most americans do. especially when they are use to slaughter >> yeah. i mean, the reason yo have high capacity magazines i for the battlefield. and tha is, you know, why in the vietnam war soldiers had ar-15 that were armed with ten round magazines. i think the questio is, if we set aside th republican party for a minute, there is the question of how democrats handle this moment right? it is not that we are having mass shootings in thi country. it is not good that children are being slaughtered democrats have to at once make republicans pay a price fo
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that, but they also need to do something to fix the problem what else can and should the biden administration be doin broadly on the subject of gu safety reform? >> well, the truth is, the way our government is designed alex it is, very hard fo president to do much wit executive power on issues like this, whether the abortion o whether it be gun safety and gun reform. this really has to come from the people, it has t come from legislative bodies both local, state and federa legislative bodies. we have to decide we are not going to b -- in the world. we have t decide that it is politicall unacceptable to have you children hold ar-15s, weapon of war, for a christmas card we have to decide that it is unacceptable to elect anyone who takes home an american fla on their lapel and proudly put an ar-15 on instead. that is u to the voters of this countr
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to decide that they have had enough. and my hope is, what w saw in wisconsin with youn people, is that we replicate i next year where young people who by huge margins ar rejecting the extremism whethe it is -- no abortions fo anyone, the government i forced birth, whether it i climate change or whether it i the younger generation tha gets. it whiffed show up, we will finally make real movement, on getting wind of weapons o war that are saunterin children innocently in schools >> claire mccaskill, it is always great to talk to. thank you for your time and thoughts tonight, claire. >> you bet. thank. you >> we have one more story fo you tonight, a story about buckman-ing in public librarie that is so egregious you might assume it is happening in th state of florida. but thin again. that story is next. she is glowing. she is 1 of 1." with new olay hyaluronic body wash 95% of women had visibly-better skin.
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the agenda from a specia meeting this week of the llano county texas commissioners. discussion about whether t continue or cease operations o the current physical llano county library system. officials in lanto county, texas, which is community abou 22,000 people and this is abou 80 miles outside of the stat capital, they have been ordere by a federal judge to return about a dozen items that wer removed from the countie library system after -- some citizens complained. among them, books that cover race lgbt matters and puberty, including cast, the origins of our discontents -- wilkerson's examination of racism in america, being jazz, my life i a trench gender teen by jazz jennings. a birth, a book abou the birth of the ku klux klan, along with a handful of kids books about farting, because that is all kids, or at leas my kids, are interesting in. seven residents of leno county sued county pistols to get those books back on the shelves,
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claiming that defendants - eradicate pornographic materials. this is pretext none the books defendants have targeted is to pornographic. the case goes to trial decotea but, the federal -- in the meantime. at a meeting of th county board of commissioner this week, members of th public reportedly applaude after one women said if they insist on having the books and if we don't win again, the will just close down. afte which, the board decided t hold an emergency meeting this thursday where they may just vote to shut all the libraries down inland to leno county. so there is a very real possibility that a fight of oval or about a dozen books ma cause an entire community to lose access to every book. tha is the show for tonight. w will see you -- last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence >> i like, still think we tr to reimagine my childhoo without our local branch of th boston public library on ada
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