yourself in chicago? obviously the city is the subject of intense republican attacks over issues of crime predominantly. also not much of an electoral lift from winning chicago or the state of illinois, which are firmly democratic. do those factors come into play at all >> you know, of course the chicago mayor's race with brandon johnson's victory gives democrats a tune on how they can approach crime not just in that city but other cities across the country, and politics in big cities has been changing significantly. democrats will use this as a moment to celebrate that victory and try to reclaim or continue to reclaim that narrative from republicans about what the cities are like and about what the midwest represents which is more than just a big city like chicago. those other states with working class voters, maybe more rural voters as well while it's in chicago, it's supposed to highlight the state of illinois and everything else

that the midwest remits. >> alexi mccammond, thank you very much for joining us early, and thank you for getting up "way too early" with us on this wednesday morning. "morning joe" startis right now. we need to take this grief and turn it into action. i am a person of faith, i was raisin raised in the church if you are a person of faith and you want to give us your thoughts and prayers, we want them and we need them. our community is hurting, but we need policies in place that will keep this from happening again so that thoughts and prayers do not have to be offered to yet another community ripped apart by the savage violence coming from guns. >> that's democratic congressman morgan mcgarvy making a plea for action on gun violence after

monday's mass shooting in louisville we're getting a look at the deadly confrontation between police and the gun nan we'll have that and the latest in the investigation ahead. trump on fox news making outlandish claims about his arraignment in manhattan and offering praise for authoritarian leaders around the world. we'll play those comments for you. meanwhile, manhattan district attorney is suing one of trump's top allies in the house in the latest escalation in that political fight over the former president's indictment plus, we'll get a live report from northern ireland as president biden prepares to mark 25 years since the good friday agreement. good morning, welcome to "morning joe." it is wednesday, april 12th. with us, we have u.s. special continue for bbc news katty kay, former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele, and white house editor for "politico," sam stein. joe, mika has the morning off, so good news, we can talk about baseball for four years. i know katty is very excited

about that where should we begin? >> mika has the morning off. she was upset watching the red sox and rays, and she said i need you to talk about this, and i need you to do it for katty, because katty loves when we talk about baseball. >> i have some e-mails to do so i'll just get on with those. >> first off, i just got to say, a couple of things we're going to be talking about in a second, first of all, donald trump's fulsome praise of the worst tyrants in the world once again reveals himself as an authoritarian at heart i'm not sure why that guy worships authoritarians the way he does, it certainly does reveal what's in his heart, and what's behind all the things a also, i must say, alvin bragg has sent a memo to republicans, don't mess with me

play your little political games, but keep me out of it we're going to be talking to josh gerstein about that we haven't seen anything like this now let's get to what katty wants to talk about really quickly. the rays i mean, listen, their stadium is about as packed as fulton county stadium was when i was a boy, and there would be 4,000 people there, they'd hit a foul ball down the left shofield line and would sprint down because there was nobody in the streets. last night against the red sox and hope springs eternal, we were feeling good. duvall messed up his wrist and is gone for four to six weeks. we were hoping we could take one from the rays. willie, i'm not joking here. they're just in another league they're in another league

compared to the red sox pitching-wise, batting-wise, in every metric, it's as if we're a double a team coming up to play the pros. >> it's not just the red sox, joe, they are dominating everyone i mean, dominating, these games are not close. they're hitting the ball like crazy. nobody can touch their pitching and they're the third team since -- really in modern baseball history, a braves team in the '80s and the milwaukee brewers. this is getting to the point of making history they're 11-0 as you say, just head and shoulders above everybody else it's 162 game season we say this every year, there will be ups and downs, and the yankees will play well and orioles and jays will play well. it will tighten up for sure. we haven't seen anything like this, gosh, in the last 30, 35 years, a team going undefeated this deep, and doing it so dominantly on both sides of the ball. >> and they're looking great,

and it's only april, and it is only april i remember telling a friend, a close friend who's an indian fans back when they were the cleveland indians and they reeled off 22, 23, and would be so excited every day, and i didn't want to tell him, dude, it's august, you need to do this in september and october, and i'm not being facetious. the braves caught fire a couple of years ago other teams catch fire anything is possible, and usually in baseball things balance out, but, again, looking at this rays team top to bottom, they are pretty incredible. >> and fun to watch. it should be a fun season keeping an eye on them let's start with the news joe mentioned a minute ago, and that is the effusive praise for authoritarian leaders from former president donald trump during an interview last night on fox news. here's what he said. >> they're all top of the line our guy is not top of the line never was. these are top of the line people

at the top of their game president xi is a brilliant man. if you went all over hollywood to look for somebody to play the role of president xi, you couldn't find them there's nobody like that the look, the brain, the whole thing. we had a great relationship. we get along so well there was a great chemistry we had. great. we talked about everything a great kchemistry. but people ask me how smart is xi, i said top of the line you never met anybody smarter. how smart is kim jong un, top of the line, you know, people say, oh, this and that, really smart. you know, when you come out and as a young man at 24, 23, even though he sort of inherits it, most people when they inherit, they lose it, and that's easy stuff. he took over a country of very smart people, very very energetic people, very tough people at a very young age and he has total dominant control.

that's not easy. these are very smart -- putin, very smart. >> it takes your breath away joe, he's talking about xi like a matinee idol, the hollywood look, the look, the brains, all of it, and we have to remember in the case of putin, but we can go through all three of those, putin for more than a year is conducting a war in which he's killing ukrainian children, civilians, attacking their infrastructure he's always praised vladimir putin but to do it at this moment in history makes it all the more extraordinary. >> well, and xi has become more dictatorial over the past five years. there are two people, i read, two people who just got a small group together to protest in a seaside town and they're going to jail for over a decade. you look at what putin did, very smart, really? you seize a "wall street journal" reporter, very smart? i mean, he's been -- again, you look at the people that he

praises, and first of all, it's abhorrent that he's praising some of the most evil leaders on the world stage, and this is something that he did starting here in 2015 when he came on our show and talked about how great vladimir putin was and how horrible barack obama was, and when we said, yeah, but he kills journalists, he kills politicians, he said, well, we kill people too. again, there's something really screwed up in the way he looks at the world, and i must say, very disturbing for the cult-like followers that he still has that will worship a guy who worships the biggest tyrants on the globe katty kay, on top of that, donald trump is alone in calling vladimir putin very shrewd, very smart. the guy has wrecked russia's military he's wrecked russia's economy.

i don't care what all of these articles say, oh, it's not as bad as -- no, he's where he could -- wrecked the economy he's ruined their trade with europeans as far as energy goes. he had europe energy dependent on him no more, and president xi, one mistake after another over the past fooive years, and here's a guy who wants to run for president against ron desantis's covid lockdowns. he's worshipping president xi who had the most tyrannical covid lockdowns on the globe, and again, this is, i don't know, is it projection, is it confession i'm not sure what, but it is so unbecoming of a former american president and it speaks to his lust for authoritarian power >> you almost wonder whether he's doubling down on previous positions because he can't bring himself to admit that maybe he

was wrong when he was president in his assessment of these authoritarian leaders, so he has to say no, no, no, i still believe it you run through the list of what those people have done president xi who has crashed the chinese economy during the course of his covid lock downs is on the point of, you know, doing exercise where is he looks like he really might make a serious attempt on taiwan. president putin who has managed to expand nato's border by 800 miles with russia doesn't look like a very good strategic move, has lost hundreds of thousands of his own troops in ukraine in a war that it just hasn't won him anything, and perhaps the most startling at all is his assessment of kim jong un in south korea, he's totally dominant, and that he had inherited this but he has a very energetic, very smart people, he has a people totally oppressed by a police state and risk going into a concentration camp if they do anything in terms of trying to oppose him

the degree to which trump admires these leaders who are dictators, and in the case of kim jong un, certainly a really aggressive police state ruthless leader of his own people, it's astonishing to hear him say this, you know, let alone xi's, the look, whatever that means, the hollywood look is that really perhaps what it's really about, that he likes the look and the feel and the power of these people and wishes he had had it himself. >> that's always what it's about, the look for him. and michael steele, we know that donald trump continues to grow his lead in this early early polling in the republican primary. another poll showed the leader, ron desantis, even bigger than it was before the arraignment. we also know the that abc ipsos poll shows broadly, a 25% favorability rating in the country, talking about donald trump, a man running for reelection, not just in a primary, but he has to run in a general election to become president again. when you hear this as a republican even if you're a

staunch donald trump ally, if you're somebody who's maybe looking around a little bit at ron desantis or nikki haley or tim scott, who we expect to hear get into the race today, what do you do with what you heard last night. i know it's not new, and he has given praise to these men before is this something you want to run back again another time as president? >> yeah, look from donald trump's perspective, first let's start with that, so you kind of set the floor, and i think the bottom line is donald trump looks at these men, and he says if i had that kind of power, i wouldn't be where i am right now. i wouldn't have to worry about a rogue prosecutor in new york i wouldn't have to worry about a rogue prosecutor looking into january 6th. january 6th wouldn't have happened because the election would have been a fore gone conclusion the outcome would have been exactly what i wanted it to be he admires these men for the

power he wishes he had and that's the kind of power he wants to laud over the american people, particularly those who stand in opposition to him which brings you inside the party, what do they do with this well, they will do exactly what they did with it over the last seven years. nothing. what do you think they're going to do with it. who's going to stand up and tell donald trump to shut the hell up, he doesn't know what he's talking about and he is as bad as they are, which is why he couldn't be within 10 feet of the white house, no one. not one. not one. nikki haley in her memos, she wrote a memo she didn't call a press conference she didn't stand in front of a bank of microphones, she didn't come on "morning joe" and have this conversation with this panel to say exactly what she wrote in a memo, to donors so, look, let's understand the landscape here nothing changes unless they want to change it

donald trump is, has been and will be through this cycle, preeminent political dominant figure in the republican party why will he? because that's what they want. >> yeah. >> they want him they like this idea of a powerful leader who can own the libs cavorting with dictators and mass murders, okay, you got to give up something, right, so that's the attitude. there's no leadership that's willing to come to the table, look the american people in the eye and go, we're done we're checking out of this all the protestations and the complaints and the whining mean nothing because you end up at the exact same point so donald trump goes on fox, he sits down with tucker carlson, which is laughable in the first place because tucker hates him passionately, and yet here we are. having the conversation with the guy he hates passionately and

looking seriously at him and just taking in every word. i mean, so guys, this is where we are with this party at this point. no one's prepared to come into the fore and say enough of this. and this is the direction we want to put the country, we want to put together a governing majority, these are the parties we want to fight for there's no joe scarborough sitting in congress saying time-out, i get what these guys want to do in the caucus, that's not what the party should be doing, so, you know, we talk about it, but we end up at the same spot every time >> yeah, every time, sam, and you have a leader running that party that, again, has his bizarre, disturbing, and it is so disturbing obsession with tyrants. and suddenly it makes sense when you start reading about hitler's -- about how hitler's

name came up during a european trip with john kelly, general john kelly who said that donald trump was admiring hitler, the exact quote that kelly said was hitler did a lot of good things too, to john kelly, there of course were reports from the independent and vanity fair that in the 1990s he kept a book of hitler's speeches by his bedside according to his wife ivanka, it sounds so shocking, but i don't care -- he had contempt for macron he had contempt for every british prime minister it seemed that he dealt with he had contempt for democratically elected leaders, angela merkel, but if you're a tyrant, you get his full praise.

>> yeah, for the record, there's not anything to praise about hitler i just want to clear that up, and secondarily, yeah, this is a theme for trump's presidency, which is an affinity towards strong man politics. you know, we could sort of guess as to why that is, whether it's just some sort of philosophical agreement with a governing approach or a yearning to have that power himself, the record is clear, throughout his presidency, bent over backwards to apologize for putin, famously took putin's word over the word of his own intelligence community when it came to meddling in the elections, really sorts of had an interesting relationship with xi obviously the love letters to kuhn there's a pretty lengthy record of this, and i would just pay you back on what michael steele said there, which is trump has molded the party in this way to

a large degree remember, it wasn't that long ago where ron desantis had to answer the question of how he came down on the war in ukraine. and i thought that was very -- a very illustrating answer which is that he basically said it wasn't in our interests. that's not a position that i think a mainstream republican presidential candidate would have taken in a pre-trump era. certainly would have been shocking in a pre-trump era. trump last night was appearing on tucker carlson's program, the host is of the same philosophical bend, he doesn't think the u.s. should be in conflict with russia, it should be aligned with russia i would just argue trump's imprint on the party and the movement is vast, and so that's the real sort of legacy here it's not his own personal fascination with these people. it's how he shaped the conservative media ecosystem and the republican party writ large around these issues. >> well, donald trump programs distracting a bit from his other

problems the manhattan district attorney leading the prosecution of donald trump is now suing a top house republican, alvin bragg filed the lawsuit against judiciary committee chairman jim jordan yesterday, in response to what bragg called a brazen attack in an ongoing criminal prosecution. bragg has come under increased scrutiny, to put it mildly by the ohio republicans since it became likely that the president would be charged in addition to calling on the d.a. himself to testify before congress, jordan issued a subpoena last week ordering a former prosecutor in the case to appear before the judiciary committee. the d.a. asked the court to block that subpoena, arguing it could cause irreparable harm to the case if certain secret material is disclosed, bragg's attorneys also argued that subpoena is unconstitutional because congress has no power to conduct oversight of a state prosecution. a federal judge has scheduled a hearing on the lawsuit for next unique joining us now senior legal

affairs contributor for "politico," josh gerstein, josh, good morning, talk a little bit more if you would about what prompted this lawsuit from alvin bragg and what the specific complaint is and where it goes from here. >> willie, the lawsuit is aimed at the subpoena to mark pomeranz who is actually not a current prosecutor for alvin bragg but had a falling out with alvin bragg about a year ago when alvin bragg who had recently come into office signalled he wasn't going to bring a broad tax and insurance fraud case against trump in criminal court. that led pomeranz and one of his aides to resign, and since then, there's been an effort by jordan and other house republicans to try to use pomeranz as kind of a vehicle to get inside bragg's office and bragg's thinking, not only on that criminal case that wasn't brought but the one that was just brought in the last couple of weeks dealing with,

you know, narrower issues relating to trump and those payments to stormy daniels, and to another woman so republicans hope that mark pomeranz is their way in to this investigation, and bragg decided to take a preemptive move going to federal court, interestingly in new york, not down here in washington, d.c., and see if he can halt this subpoena but i do think it's going to be an up hill battle for bragg. >> yeah, i mean, josh, it looks like republicans are going to come back and hold on a second pomeranz has written the book. this is all out there in public, and so how can you stop him from testifying when people have already read what he has to say? >> right i mean, that's the trickiest part of this, katty, given that pomeranz wrote the book, it's hard to take the position, i can't say one word to you now, i need to zip my lip because of the current prosecution going on the other thing going on in the suit is turning the tables,

remember when trump was in office, you had all of these democratic-led investigations out of congress trying to get various documents like his tax returns, and trump would often say, those aren't legitimate investigations, this is something congress is doing that's purely political. and now we have bragg trying to, you know, basically adopt those arguments and say congress has no legitimate business looking into an investigation being conducted by a manhattan district attorney. >> hey, josh, quick question for you here, so if this is an up hill battle, why bring the suit at all, and then secondarily is, you know, does this impact the time line for bragg's own investigation? do you have to just deal with this side show first before we can get back to the original matter which is looking into trump's conduct? >> well, i mean, he's tried, sam, to bring in outside counsel. he has outside lawyers, actually a lawyer out of los angeles, ted b buttress who's handling this aggressive step that bragg has

made here. i don't think it will derail the prosecution. at the moment, the ball is kind of in trump's court, the way the j judge up there in new york set a long deadline going through august and a calendar to hear motions through the end of the year i don't think bragg is under a lot of pressure up there to push his investigation forward. he's sort of waiting for trump to return this volley. i don't see it derailing the investigation. i think the concern is that if they did get pomeranz on the witness stand or in a deposition that we might see a lot more of the inside baseball within bragg's office being spilled out publicly, and i think bragg's just not eager to see that happen it would certainly be a distraction to the indictment in the case that he brought last week >> michael steele, what a great example of republican hypocrisy. here you have republicans, certainly when republicans used to be republicans like myself saying whenever possible, you take all power, money and authority to states, local governments to the people.

power is not specifically given to the federal government, reserve for the states and the people, right, and here you have the republican party that uses -- first of all, if you look at ron desantis, uses his power to go after baseball teams, to go after mickey mouse, to go after cruise lines, to tell small businesses what they can and can't do, to go after school librarians, to go after teachers, to go after local school districts, it is the opposite it sees local power consolidated in the state government. well, here you have these guys who i know probably went around when they first started campaigning saying let's get the power out of washington and get it down to the people. here you have a man elected by the people of manhattan and big brother doesn't like it. so they're going to come from

washington washington, d.c., to a local d.a. and try to interfere in his investigation. it's just, again, more republican hypocrisy >> it goes to the rot inside the party writ large, and sam put his finger on that point in talking about how this infection of trumpism, magaism has coursed through the veins of the party at all levels, so the idea of federalism, independent state action, indemnity power of the states to govern their affairs on behalf of the people in those states only applies if it doesn't touch on a particular interest of ours and that particular interest of ours is none other than who? donald trump because, you know, you would not have this level of interference but for donald trump if it's anyone else, they're

going to be hard pressed to make the case for why they're doing and saying the things they're doing with respect to this prosecution. so, again, it's a further example that all levels, all factions of our society are not immune to this infection it is our judicial system. it is our political system obviously. our economic system. certainly our international relationships. everything has been touched by this and the idea is culminated in that interview last night with donald trump praising individuals who in their own regimes, in their own countries have infected their systems in the same manner to the point where they have absolute and total control, there is no questioning of that authority. you know, jim jordan perceives himself to be something he's not. he is a very small man in a smaller pool relative to donald

trump. but he's going to use the authority that he has with that gavel in his hand to do his bidding, to do what's necessary to make sure that he stays in good favor with someone like grump. that's the rot reflected in pictures like this who in any other circumstances would not have the power he has or be in the position he is, and the same is true of marjorie taylor greene, matt gaetz, go down the list, but the infection doesn't let -- the cream doesn't rise here. this is sour milk, baby. and the reality for the party is going into a pivotal 2024 election cycle, it's curdled milk, what are you going to do with it? you going to put a bow on the container and you're going to serve it anyway, and that's what you're seeing play out in these prosecutions, in these efforts to go after prosecutors and

others >> in the meantime, jim jordan and republicans planning the field trip to new york city next week to talk about alvin bragg and crime here in new york senior legal affairs josh gerstein, thank you so much for your reporting. louisville police released body cam video from the first officers to arrive on the scene of monday's deadly mass shooting we'll have the latest on the investigation and the calls from local leaders for federal and state lawmakers to take action on gun violence, plus the mayor of louisville will be our guest. also ahead, we'll speak with democratic senator amy klobuchar about what members of congress are doing to push back against restrictions on access to abortion medication. and the special presidential envoy for hostage affairs joins us with an update on efforts to free the "wall street journal" reporter, wrongfully detained in russia you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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life was being lost. >> investigators say connor sturgeon seen on surveillance cameras, was armed with an ar-15 rifle, which he bought legally from a local dealership, adding the 25-year-old was a current employee at old national bank and knew the colleagues he targeted officials confirming a fifth victim died, 57-year-old diana eckert dispatch audio indicating the shooter may have tried to warn a friend before the attack. >> on the shooter, 25-year-old white male 6'4", he texted a friend, called a friend, left a voice mail, he's going to kill everyone at the bank, feeling suicidal. >> we know he left a note. we know he texted or called one person to let them know he was suicidal and contemplating harm. >> neighbors, shocked by the news. >> i can't say nothing really bad about the guy. very quiet, soft spoken, i just

don't understand >> doctors also struggling. >> there's only so many times you can walk into a room and tell someone they're not coming home tomorrow. and it just breaks your heart when you're hear someone screaming mommy or daddy it just becomes too hard. >> reporter: three remain hospitalized including officer nicholas wilt, still in critical condition. the chief adding wilt was on his fourth shift, less than two weeks out of the academy his twin brother just started. also wounded with minor injuries, officer corey galloway who investigators say killed the shooter. >> i can't hear her voice anymore. i can't touch her. i can't tell her how much love her. >> the details do nothing to numb the pain, her daughter, juliana farmer among the dead, amid a successful career in banking, she was just recruited

back to louisville and old national bank three weeks ago. >> thousand how do you make seno that she just got back there. >> there is no sense to be had i feel like that man stole her from us. i don't understand his reasoning. i don't understand why she's gone >> nbc's maggie vespa with that report let's bring in msnbc contributor, mike barnicle and here we are, mike, another mass of human tragedy. another american street, american business, american school, american church or synagogue turned into a war zone, another example of police officers, cops, rushing in to a place to desperately try to do their duty to protect and serve,

to save lives and being out gunned by somebody that just waltzed into a store a week before, he was able to buy a weapon of war, another person who was suicidal and decided, well, i just watched the news, what do i do, i go into a store, i get a weapon of war, and i kill a lot of people and i take a lot of people with me, and for this party, republicans, this is all on republicans, these weapons of war are protected by republicans, the lack of background checks, protected by republicans. it's all on one party. all on one party they claim at the same time to love men and women in blue, but they're okay with cops getting their brains bashed in on january 6th, they're okay with law enforcement being defunded

if law enforcement gets turned sideways with donald trump, and they're okay with cops from uvalde, to nashville, to louisville having to rush in over matched, out gunned by one mentally disturbed human being with an ar-15. it's just, it's sick these people, they should listen to cops. they should listen to law enforcement organizations who beg them to get these weapons of war off the street, but they just won't because at the end of the day, they care more about donations from the nra than they do about the safety of police officers. >> you know, joe, the clip that we just showed and we'll show it a lot more i assume during the coming days shows that being a police officer, if you're a young nicholas wilt on your fourth or fifth tour of duty,

having graduated from the police academy less than a month ago, you see him, you see his legs dropped on the ground. he's perhaps 15 to 20 feet from the cruiser that he arrived at the crime scene in he is in critical condition obviously. shot in the head but you see that you see it right on the clip that we just showed, dropped to the ground you see his legs this happens every day in america. seemingly we cover these things at least once or twice a week in america. you heard the heart ache from survivors of people who were shot and killed in louisville. we see it all the time because of the nature of the news business, it's so quick and swift, and things happen so rapidly, we move on from one incident to another. from one news story to another but the ache, the heart ache and the loss that was expressed in the clip that we just showed, that lasts forever

it affects a community forever and it's inexplicable why, as you point out, largely the republican party is responsible for standing in the way of any substan substantiative progress, even the smallest elements of progress in terms of getting control of this virus that is crippling america, the gun virus. it is truly inexplicable, there's no way you can talk about it, there's no way you can understand when their motives are. are they that afraid of one outfit, the national rifle association. >> it's crazy. >> it's inexplicable >> it's just inexplicable, and willie, we're now seeing images that resemble a film that we saw out of vietnam, video that we saw out of fallujah. video that we saw out of kandahar video that we see when our soldiers are fighting foreign

wars, and they take gunfire. except this is happening in local banks. it's happening in elementary schools, it's happening at country music concerts, it's happening in churches, it's happening in synagogues, it's happening in grocery stores, it's happening in colleges, it's happening everywhere americans live you know, republicans always said we got to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here okay, well, we're fighting them over there, but we're fighting ourselves over here. we're fighting a republican party that will not do what 90% of americans want them to do on universal background checks. we'll not do what a majority of americans want them to do nationwide on red flag laws, who will not take a serious look at

regulating weapons of war. so they are not just handed over to people who are in the middle of a mental crisis but that's where we are we're seeing video that looks like it's from afghanistan or iraq or vietnam. it is really sickening. >> you watch that body cam footage, you watch the body cam footage from nashville a couple of weeks ago, and say thank god, how blessed are we to have men and women who just run in. they just run. they hear gunfire, they don't know what's around the corner, we're asking them to run into a situation where they're being met with weapons of war. that's what the original ar-15 was designed for, vietnam, a version of it, because it was a more lethal killing machine. we're asking our police, as we said yesterday, people who don't

want tighter gun safety, won't listen to little kids who die in school, maybe they'll listen to police officers who they claim to love, who are saying we are out manned, out gunned, help us regulate you don't have to ban ar-15s, but help us regulate the kind of people who can get them, at least, and when you listen to that doctor that we heard in the piece, dr. jason smith, the chief medical officer at the university of louisville who we're going to have on the show live in an hour from now he said to be honest with you, we barely had to adjust our operating room schedule to be able to handle this. that's how frequently we're having to deal with gun violence in our community, mike, he said, this is not actually, as hor horri horrific as it is, this is not an abnormal day anymore. >> the bitter tragic irony of this story and stories we do way way too often, mass shootings in schools, in banks in hospitals, the bitter irony is that

progress, joe, you know this, progress is being held up by one political party who advertises itself daily, almost hourly as pro life >> pro life, pro cop i salute still, and we always do, the ten republicans who are willing to work in a bipartisan way in the united states senate, to come together for some gun safety measures, and let me say in this political environment, any step forward is a significant step forward, and we're so grateful they did that, but it's time to take the next step 90% of americans believe in universal background checks. over 80% of americans believe in red flag laws for states all across the country, and i know they're not ready for it now,

but sometime soon we're going to have to figure out a way to regulate, as willie said, ar-15s in a much tighter way. nobody's talking about coming to anybody's houses and kicking down the doors and taking them away we understand how many millions of americans have ar-15s but it's usually not the ones who have the ar-15s over a long period of time that's a problem. it's people who are disturbed, who go in on their 18th birthday and buy ar-15s and then shoot up elementary schools people who feel suicidal walk in, get ar-15s, go to a bank, and kill innocent people working, just hoping to work, get a paycheck, go home, see their families at night. there's such a long way, willie, such a long way to go. to make america safer, to make

kindergarten safer, to make elementary schools safer to make churches, synagogues, country music festivals safer, but what is so maddening is there are 147 mass shootings so far in 2023, more americans have died from gun violence this year, and we're just in april, this year, than died over 20 years in iraq and afghanistan. guns are the number one cause of death among our children in america in 2023. it doesn't have to be that way that's what's so maddening, you know, it would be one thing if, you know, you send a soldier to war, and if the country supports the war, everybody understands w what's at stake and what's being done here these cops, they don't have to live in a world where they have to rush in and choose between getting their heads

blown off and saving somebody working in the bank, getting shot down in a hail of gunfire and saving a 9-year-old girl or a 9-year-old boy from a christian elementary school. that is a choice we are putting police officers and our children in kindergarten and first and second and third and fourth, we are giving them that world because republicans won't step forward and do what needs to be done and pass more gun safety laws that the majority of americans support that are completely in line with the second amendment and a reading of the second amendment by the supreme court of the united statesover of america a make our streets safer they won't do it, and they need to. dr. smith said, and again we'll speak to in a moment, i'm just a doctor, i don't know what the answer is, all i know is the way we're going right now is not

working. something has to change. i don't want to staff up my emergency room because i know gunshot victims are going to flood in every night we'll talk to him about an hour from now. coming up, some other news, another republican is making moves that may signal a presidential campaign. we'll tell you who that is. also president biden is in northern ireland, we'll go through his schedule and what we can expect out of this trip. it's all ahead on "morning joe." i'm the sizzle in this promposal. and while romeo over here is trying to look cool, things are about to heat up. darn it, kyle! and if you don't have the right home insurance coverage, you could end up paying for this yourself. so get allstate.

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welcome back to "morning joe. looking at live chopper shots. quite dramatic, willie they're going straight to the tennis courts. of course, willie, that reminds me of what we were doing in '76 and '77, when we were running the chopper for wnbc those were some crazy days,

right? >> we were on a whole bunch of stuff we shouldn't have been on when we were flying that thing i still feel bad about it. that was the '70s, though. everybody was doing it >> yeah, everybody was doing it, willie, and seriously, who remembers now, anyway? that's why we can talk about it and we don't worry -- the statute of limitations ran out in 1992 for most crimes committed in that chopper. right now, we're looking back over zphistory and getting warm and fuzzy feelings about the things that went wrong in the 1970s for willie and me and quite frankly that we got away with sam stein, i don't think republicans in congress will get away with what they've done over the first 100 days i remember when we had our 100-day celebration after getting elected first republican majority in 40 years we went out and we said, these are the ten pieces of legislation we promised you we were going to pass through the house. these are the ten pieces of legislation that we passed through the house.

promises made, promises kept and we did i mean, we really did. and yet, this house gop is off to such a slow start here's "the washington post" actually saying in its first three months in charge, gingrich's republican majority approved ten planks of the contract with america, including balanced budget law, the presidential overhaul of welfare laws and a huge tax cut proposal what we've seen from this republican congress has been a circus the first week was a circus i mean, i've got to say, c-span loved it, because it was like c-span viewing like you never saw, other than the time willie charged the floor when i was there and we both passed out that's another story it was '89 people that remember what happened in '89. i can keep going all day i've got four hours. but think about this they ran saying the democrats were only focused on marginal issues that they immediated to care about inflation. they needed to care about

immigration. they needed to care about crime. and yet, you look at the clown show that you put on they're going and they're celebrating convicts, holding field hearings in prison, to praise convicts, who stormed the united states capitol. they're now trying to interfere with an investigation, a local d.a.'s investigation that's their look into crime and on immigration, which i think is the most remarkable thing, they can't even get an immigration bill on the house floor that can pass. because republicans don't even agree with each other on that immigration bill so 100 days in, what do they have to show for it, sam >> this is why you're the best in the business, man an absurd close-up of an empty tennis court to the house republicans first hundred days >> seamless, baby, seamless. >> unbelievable. and mixed in between with, weird

asides about the '80s and the '70s look, it's been a weird hundred days i think if you go back to our original concept here of how trump has reengineered the party, this is yet another example about it the investigations -- keep in mind, the house republicans always knew, whatever legislation they passed, it was going nowhere for the first hundred days it was all about sort of what investigations they could launch and how they could maybe put a dent in joe biden's armor. and yet, 100 days in, the primary investigative spruts really are engineered around trump, not biden you know, you have oversight hearings on twitter and whether it's suppressing information that's like a trump -- that's a major trump issue, obviously you have jim jordan going hard after alvin bragg. that is obviously engineered around donald trump. donald trump has sort of commandeered the republican party, at least the house republican party, and for that, you have a hundred days that is

fits and starts, very little legislative accomplishments and investigations that were supposed to be about denting joe biden that have instead have become about being defensive towards trump. >> yeah, it's not great, sam unlike my stories, which, by the way, i'm sorry you can't stay with us. but next hour, i'm going to be telling you how in 1993, willie and i tried to break into the l'ouvre with nothing but pads and ball bearings. the ball bearings and gauze pads didn't get us in there we'll tell that story on the other side of the break. sam stein, thanks so much. i would say go, sox, but right now, it seems futile >> nah still ahead, president biden named chicago as host of the 2024 national democratic convention that's kind of interesting we'll talk about that and talk to one lawmaker who played a major role in putting that spotlight on that city in the midwest. also, democratic senator tammy duckworth in illinois,

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no, i never dropped, it's not my thing i didn't do it when i went to the courthouse, which is also a prison, in a sense, they signed me in and i'll tell you, people were crying people that work there, professionally work there, that have no problems putting in murderers and they say everybody, it's tough. tough place, and they were crying they were actually crying. they said, i'm sorry they would say, 2024, sir. 2024, and tears are pouring down their eyes many of them were in tears or close to it. many apologists, we're sorry, sir. we're sorry. they have you do certain things, they said, sir, i can't believe i have to ask you, i can't even

believe that i have to ask you to do it >> a classic "sir" story, classic in the genera. he's into the crying thing, lately have you noticed ron desantis came to him when he was running for governor, he was in tears, weeping and begging for his endorsement. >> if you listen to the interview, he said he walked past a coke machine, a dispenser, and the dispenser was crying there were tears coming down the side of it >> and it called him, sir, somehow. >> the fresca bottle inside there said, i'm sorry, sir i'm sorry. i mean, you know, he does it with no shame. and i think that's the most remarkable thing is he just keeps lying without any shame. he has inanimate objects calling him "sir." everybody's calling him "sir." he doesn't talk about driving past all of those signs as he was going down there and the streets just eerily quiet and people holding up signs saying, no man is above the law and it's

about time that justice is served i guess he didn't see those people crying for joy outside. >> yeah, no other witnesses to the story of bailiffs weeping inside that courtroom, either. on a more serious note, the former president also praised authoritarian leaders like vladimir putin in that interview with fox news last night we'll get to those comments in just a moment. speaking of russia, the kremlin remaining defiant amid calls to release an american journalist we'll be joined by a biden administration official who is working to free him. also, democratic senator amy klobuchar is standing by to discuss efforts to protect abortion medication and much more katty kay, michael steele, michael barnicle still with us joining the conversation, professor of princeton university, eddie glaude jr., joe. >> you know, eddie, when we talk, we -- and when we americans, most americans i've talked to my entire life talk about people who we idolize.

it will be lincoln, frederick douglas, churchill for what he did in 1940, pushing back against nazis. martin luther king, the kennedys, lyndon johnson for what he did in '64 and '65 i never really hear tyrants -- i'm serious. i've never, ever heard an american praise tyrants. ever ever, in politics, certainly not in politics. and my day-to-day life, over 60 years, never heard one until donald trump and that he land to what he actually said while people were listening. >> they're all top of the line

our guy's not top of the line. never was. these are top of the line people at the top of their game president xi is a brilliant man. if you went all over hollywood to look for somebody to play the role of president xi, you couldn't find him. there's nobody like that the look, the brain, the whole thing. we had a great relationship. we got along so well, there was a great chemistry we had, great. we talked everybody. a great chemistry. but people ask me, uh, how smart is xi? i said, top of the line. you never met anybody smarter. how smart is kim jong-un top of the line. people say, oh, this and that, really smart and when you come out, and as a young man at 24, 23, even though he sort of inherits it, most people, when they inherit, they lose it. and that's easy stuff. he took over a country of very smart people, very, very

energetic people, very tough people at a very young age and he has total dominant control. that's not easy. these are very smart -- putin, very smart >> it's just -- and again, we're so distracted, by the way, by the outrageous comments he makes about the biggest tyrants in the world, war criminals, actually, across the world that we always go past -- i always go past his sort of confession, when he said, it's very easy for people to inherit money and lose it all. here's a guy who inherited the equivalent of $400 million and his businesses went bankrupt how many times five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten times? i mean, he opened casinos and lost money >> impossible. >> it's really -- it's impossible the internal revenue service in the 1980s actually reported that

he lost more money, according to "the new york times" studies of irs files than any other american in the 1980s, i believe it is. 1980s and the beginning of the 1990s. so, yes, he knows something about getting an inheritance and losing it. but, now let's go to the bizarreness of donald trump praising some of the worst tyrants in the world and the worst leaders. he really wants to hold xi up as a model, when xi had a totalitarian lockdown of china literally, a totalitarian lockdown of china during covid, far past what the united states did. wrecked his economy. wrecked his relationship with the rest of the world. they're only reopening now he praises kim jong-un, a

tyrant, who inherited, you know, inherited one of the most tyrannical states in the world and what's he known for? threatening the world with nuclear annihilation that's who donald trump respects and vladimir putin, once again, calls a guy who will be remembered years from now as the man who wrecked modern russia, praises vladimir putin and says he's brilliant a man who destroyed russia's military, a man who has wrecked russia's economy, and a man who had europe dependent on his energy and ruined that, too. i mean, eddie, i just don't know where to start so i toss it to you. >> well, you know, joe, we've always used the language or phrase it's either confession or projection with donald trump, and in this moment, what we see is he's confessing he's confessing what his aspiration is. he wants to be a strong man.

he aspires to someone who has absolute autocratic control. and i think if we understand that for what it is, if he's confessed to it, what his inner desires happen to be, we understand this man is not being committed to democracy, as being kind of inspired by these folk who are willing to trample over basic norms and basic freedoms, and we have to understand him for who he is. and then try to understand why he's so attracted to so many americans at the same time >> you know, you're listening to donald trump there it struck me that in a way, in an odd way, he is running down the united states of america he's basically saying top of the line people who run russia, who run china, who run north korea, he's basically saying to people, you'd be better off if you were living in beijing or moscow or somewhere in north korea than you would be living in chicago or gardner, massachusetts, or lafayette, louisiana you would be better off anywhere

but living where you are now, because we have -- we don't have top of the line people i'm wondering how long it takes, maybe forever, before other republicans who are leaders in the republican party or ordinary republican members of the house and the senate to realize that this guy's focus is not only on himself, but it's also conjoined with running down the country that we live in. >> yeah, he start that whole segment by saying, our guy isn't top of the line, and there is a direct comparison being made between the american leader, joe biden at the moment, the president, and all of those others and i think you're right, mike it's the fact that he goes through all of them. maybe if he was just talking about xi jinping, you would say, he genuinely believes that xi jinping is a supersmart person, but then he goes on and throws in all of the others, too, and when you start to think about, kim jong-un, that he has total dominance, that's the giveaway, it's the system that gives kim jong-un total dominance that so

impressing donald trump, as much as his claims that it's the individual himself it's hard to believe that more than 2 or 3% of all republicans would actually agree with donald trump in their assessments of kim jong-un, vladimir putin, and xi jinping the problem is, you're not going to hear much pushback from any of them now, because they are so in hock to him for the primary process, at least, and don't feel that they can criticize him. but i think you're right he's comparing systems as much as he is individuals here. >> he likes that they're authoritarians, like he wish that he could, and he also likes that they flatter him, which they all know is to tell him, you're great, they think he's great. he also in that interview offered up praise for california governor gavin newsom. and he said, well, he was always very nice to me, so i like gavin newsom that's all it takes. that's the standard. if you flatter me, you're good

with me. but we skipped over the top of that sound bite, where he said, if i'm convicted of a crime, i'll still run he can he can run for president if he's convicted, he can run for president from a yjail cell if h wanted to. we're in the middle of this manhattan d.a.'s case. we'll get more in december but between now and then, there's a lot more coming. there's georgia, there's jack smith, the special counsel this is just the beginning of the road for donald trump in terms of his legal trouble >> it is and i know a lot has been made of the fact that the alvin bragg investigation and prosecution has pushed into the fall and that is a problem. i know, you can have georgia and have jack smith's investigation, special prosecutor investigation of january 6th drop in between that and we'll reset the table narratively, obviously, and reset the table politically,

because those are bigger cases and i can't help but think my own sort of political machinations around these things, willie, to say that that's a level of not necessarily deep coordination, but good goorngs to have that happen and not saying that it is coordinated, but i'm just saying, politically, and just looking at that timeline, it does present a real problem for donald trump donald trump's attitude is, i don't care who's going to stop me?! you know i'm going to go, i'm going to run, there will be folks that try to get in the race, get out of the race, but he will be the constant so all of these other things for him are just other pieces on the chess board that he can manipulate narratively, to portray himself as the hapless,

old, you know, forlorn victim of a witch hunt and sort of gin up two things that support among his base, lock that in, and the money that comes with it. the man raised 12 to $15 million in the last couple of weeks off of just this piece and so when you get to a level that's a higher and more serious, jack smith's investigation, january 6th, for example, with all the other players that are in jail, you have marjorie taylor greene taking her little show pony down to the d.c. jail to sort of give aid and comfort to flexionists, all of that feeds into that trump funnel that he can then reposition narratively, he can reposition politically, as he plays his hand, knowing that there's no one right now inside the gop who can stop him from doing what he wants to do the way he wants to do it.

>> despite the fact, he constant trashes america. he trashed america before he was president, saying vladimir putin was a better leader than what america had. he said, the american dream was dead, despite the fact that you can't keep people out of america. they want to come here so much all across the world, they're coming to america. neil diamond was right they're coming to america. why? because you talk to immigrants that come here from across the world, they will tell you, it's like no other country on the planet the possibilities they believe are limitless. and yet donald trump constantly trashing america he said it before he was president, he said it after he was president. he trashes the military. he trashes the intel community and says he trusts vladimir putin more than he trusts the intel community. he says he wants to defund the

premiere law enforcement agency in america that stops terrorist attacks every day, that stops drug cartels, and gang violence every day. he says america is the greatest threat to western civilization let me say that again. donald trump believes that america is the greatest threat to western civilization. it's an un-american thing to say. it's a hate america first theme to say and he says this despite the fact, and this goes back to david ignatius' column earlier this week when he said, when things are going so well, why does he feel so bad? if part because you have republicans trashing america constantly our military, you talk to anybody across the world and they will tell you the united states military is stronger today, relative to the rest of the world, than at any time since 1945

anytime. our intel community, constantly, one step ahead of the russians we had to tell zelenskyy and the world that the russians were going to invade them they didn't believe us, the russians kept calling us liars we're constantly one step ahead. our intel community is constantly this year, we've had a dollar that is generationally high, generationally strong over the past year. we have near-historiclow unemployment childhood poverty is at 50-year lows teen pregnancy at 60-year lows so many things are going in the right direction, but you can't tell that because you have one party trashing our military saying, oh, they're woke they're woke, they wish, they

say, i wish we could have a military like russia's really really no, i don't think you do you can ask the wagner group what happened when they rushed 2,500 americans in syria it didn't end well for any of the 500 of them who were killed in a couple of minutes and yeah, we can send 2,500 people to syria and they can stop the iranis, they can wipe out isis, they can stop the russians, they can stop the turks, they can stop the syrians from encroaching it's a military more powerful than ever before but all donald trump can do is trash 'em. and then republicans, they'll trash the irs and say their agents are going out to iowa with ar-15s to shoot middle class americans. again, the hating of america has become tantamount in this

twisted, warped maga republican ideology not all republicans. there are a lot of great republicans who love america, who love our military, who believe in the intel community but maga republicans, these trump, extreme trumpl republicans, they hate america they actually say that the helicopters our military used in afghanistan are coming to america to kill americans that voted for donald trump and people actually believe them they say, the fbi is coming to the doors of people's homes who voted for donald trump, going to kick down the doors and arrest them it's all lies. all of this, lies. donald trump says things are great when he's in power, and america's horrific when he's out of it. i've never really cared too much for politicians. but he thinks america is terrible when they're not in power, but suddenly great when they are in power. and i don't think much about a large segment of a republican

party that allows a man to praise vladimir putin, praise xi, praise kim jong-un while trashing the men and women of america's armed forces it's really twisted. and it's un-american let's bring in our democratic senator, amy klobuchar of minnesota. she's a member of the judiciary committee. senator, let me first begin by saying, i think it's very important that we separate out the patriotic republicans with whom we disagree, who love this country, who support our military, who support what we're doing in ukraine, who support what a lot of democrats are doing. there's been some great bipartisan -- but you work with some republicans every day in the senate and you can still work with them but that has to be separated out from maga republicans and people like donald trump who trash our military every day, trash our intel services every day, want to defund the fbi.

it seems -- it seems really, really un-american >> thanks, joe, i'm just sitting out here early in the morning, in the middle of the midwest thinking, i'm with you on this, joe. we're thinking that words from america, america, i gave my best to you i think about the military i've been talking to this week, who are so proud of what we've done to help in ukraine, where we've completely out-bested the russians when it comes to the equipment we've developed. i think about the people i'm going to meet with this morning who are putting sandbags on the river to protect their communities, because they think there's something bigger than just their own house, and that's their town i think about the women i was with last night, who don't want their freedoms taken away, when it comes to their health care. there are people out there that go to work every day, go home

every night, and love this country. they love this country, because it's a place that they can do what they want, and they can pursue their dreams, whatever they're from in the world, they love this country, because we stand for something, we stand for democracy. and people in my state, and of course, there are some maga people everywhere, but they do not want to go back to these dark divides of donald trump they do not want to go back to dictator worship and holding up someone who's bombing maternity wards in ukraine and they do not want to go back to this narcissism of someone who's thinking of themselves when i heard about the beginning of his segment when he was talking about everyone crying about him. i haven't heard anyone crying about those charges in new york. i've heard people crying about what happened in nashville, when i was down there when i met one of the moms who came up to me sobbing because her daughter was

best friends of this little girl who killed and she showed me the texts from the mom group who started out that morning planning a jazz festival at the school and ended up with one of their children dead. that mom was crying. or i think about those young women last night who were saying how can we have less rights than our moms or their grandmas they were crying these are -- this is what america is about it's about rights, it's about getting changes that help people and no one wants to go back, except for his extreme maga supporters i don't care if they're moderate republicans, independent, democrats, liberals. they don't want to go back to that >> senator, it looks like on those rights, particularly on the issue of abortion, they're being actually rolled back in the country. tell us what happens next with mifepristone how can a judge in texas rule what happens to women in wisconsin and michigan and minnesota, your own state. and what could democrats do to try to keep this drug on the market

>> you first fight it in the courts, big-time and we already, as you know, katty, we have this decision out of washington state that's totally the opposite, that protects 17 states, including a state like mine. then you have this one judge in amarillo, texas. and i think you first fight it based on the facts and the law this guy, and we just filed a brief, a bunch of members of congress led by senator schumer and leader jeffries. what we say is, congress clearly gave the fda the right to make this decision about this drug. they didn't want a patchwork of decisions all across the country. a decision was made decades ago after four years of science, as the american medical association, not exactly a radical group has said, the evidence is clear that it is safe he can't go back in, disregard what we call the statue of limitations, where there's limits on when you can bring lawsuits and throw out that drug

i believe even conservative courts are going to look at this and say, we can't set this precedent. you can't do this to other drugs, contraceptions, you name it we can't do this to other drugs. that's the argument you're going to hear the justice department making this authority was delegated by congress to the fda. they have the right to make this decision if a drug is safe or not and then you can't go back in decades later and say, hey, i don't like this drug, because of my own personal ideological beliefs and i'm just throwing it out. so i think you're going to see a strong argument made, even regardless of the abortion pill issue. >> senator, please stay with us. we want to continue this conversation in just a moment. but we have the white house in just a moment here, president biden calling the people of american journalist evan gerchovitz yesterday, a day after the state department labeled him as wrongfully detained by russia joining us is special presidential envoy for hostage affairs, roger karstens.

thanks forr being with us this morning. what can you tell us this morning about the health and well-being of evan gershkovich >> we're getting reports that he's in good health and good spirits. we want to make sure that someone from the department of state has a chance to visit, a typical consular visit that we do all the time, so we can see with our own eyes how he's doing and holding up >> do you know where he is is me a prison >> he's in a prison, the same play that brittney griner spent time, trevor reid, paul whelan, in the same location right now >> you obviously did some incredible work to free brittney griner what does this process look like to you how is it different and in what ways might it be the same in terms of getting evan home >> the most important thing is we know evan is not a spy, he never was a spy, he's never worked for the u.s. government, he's a journalist that works for the w"wall street journal," and

as the president said, journalism is not a crime. after that, things stagg start to get a little different. in the last 26 months, and this administration, we've brought home 26 americans working closely with the white house and the national security counsel to find ways to bring folks home. >> and these obviously negotiations, you can speak to this better than anyone are not necessarily rational you can't say to vladimir putin, of course he's not a spy, he's a reporter for the "wall street journal," let him go vladimir putin snatched brittney griner on the eve of the war in ukraine with a bargaining chip probably doing it again with evan gershkovich how do you engage with a russian government who will want something in return, quite obviously? >> i can't get into the specifics of negotiations and how we plan to proceed, but i can tell you even when we don't necessarily have a great relationship with a country, we're able to find ways to bring americans home a good example is just last year

in the biden administration, we brought home nine americans from venezuela. we've already brought americans home from russia so we will find a way to do this and progress and you have a good team again, the state department's working hand in glove with the national security counsel. we're partnering with pretty much a broad group of people to include members on capitol hill, ngos, and of course, the family, the gershkovich family who i will be visiting in the coming days >> so mr. carstens, yesterday, the united states government declared the reporter wrongedly wrongedly detained what tools did that give you prior to him being labeled wrongfully detained? >> most importantly, it now obligates us by law to pursue his release. prior to that wrongful detention determination, we will check on citizens, of course, their safety and security is our highest priority, but once that determination is made, we are now legally obligated to seek

his release. so we're able now to cobble together all elements of the united states national government, the national power that this nation can bring to bear, and working close with the national security counsel, we'll find a way and a path to bring both paul whelan and evan home >> do you expect to get an audience with evan gershkovich we don't want to just take the russians at their word that he's okay and healthy >> we should by law and international law and convention, we must receive permission to conduct a consular visit. we're hoping the russians allow us to do so. will that happen that remains to be seen, but that is an obligation by convention and international law. >> and before i let you go, what is the status of the negotiation for paul whelan, who is still front and center, top of mind to a lot of people in this country? >> he's front and center in my mind i can't get into the specifics just as was told by the administration recently, we have

a significant offer on the table. we urge the russians to take it. i can tell you that i talked to paul whelan on monday. he called me from russia and we had a chance to catch up and we talked about evan's case, frankly. but we talk to his family all the time, it's constant communication, and i want to echo what you just said, paul whelan is still front and center in this administration's mind and we'll find a way to get paul whelan and evan home >> let's hope they both and others come home as quickly as possible presidential envoy for hostage affairs, roger carstens, thank you for your time this morning senator klobuchar, bring you back into the conversation we can pick it up there by this tactic used by vladimir putin in russia to snatch americans, frankly. to kidnap americans and hold them as bargaining chips in the case of brittney griner, he got the merchant of death, victor booth, the international terrorist back to russia what is your sense of the kind of negotiations or the kind of leverage that the united states even has to get these americans

home >> that was a great interview with mr. carstens, because people don't always realize the cases under the radar screen, where they negotiate releases, a minnesotan, tyler jacob, a teacher, right at the beginning of the war with ukraine, he got picked up by the russians when he was trying to lee ukraine he was put in a prison our then ambassador helped negotiate, i talked to him multiple times they finally got him on a train to moscow. and the got out of there we deliberately kept that story off the headlines. it got a few headlines, because it was, of course, not as famous as the other one just a teacher but he was held in captivity and i got to see him and his mom. none of it would have happened without our, this administration and our state department intervening and helping to get them out so, while these cases are much more difficult and as the daughter of a journalist, the

thought that journalists can just be picked up off the street for no reason, thrown into prison, thrown into basically the gulag and never know when they're going to get out, or vlad, a friend of mine, who is a russian dissident, who is now facing his trial, just gave his closing argument in case predicted predic ed a reckoning for vladimir putin, this is how they play these are the kind of dictators that donald trump was just praising in their interview. and america stands for freedom, america stands for bringing these people home. and i just thank god that we have negotiators like mr. carson that wake up every morning, thinking about how are we going to get these people out. >> senator klobuchar, this is eddie dplglaude how do you think this is going to play out politically? we see what's happened in wisconsin? we see young folk across the country motivated, fired up. what do you think will be the

political consequences of this overreach by the extreme right in the republican party? >> i think it's enormous we saw it already in this last election with the dobbs decision, when, you know, you head into the prairie, kansas, midterm, no one thought they were going to show up. everything is put in place by the group that tried to deny women their rights, to their own decisions about their health care, and kansans showed up voted it down. you saw it in multiple elections through the midterms now you get to this, i'm sorry, half of abortions in this country are through this pill. this is a smart, safe way for people who need reproductive health care to be able to access that health. that's what they've been doing it's used in 60 countries. the approval process lasted four years. this makes no sense at all so young people, especially with young people who see something

like this say to themselves, this is a direct assault on our freedoms it and means that the republican party, so many of whom, why they may not agree with this decision, it has been deafening silence. they are not in tune with where our voters are, 80% of american people, and certainly not the young people, who say, why do i want to vote for anyone who will give me less rights than my mom or grandma had this is a generation that believes in rights they respect each other. they look at people much differently than some of the older members of the republican party might look at the world. >> all right democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota, as always, thank you so much for being with us. we really appreciate it. >> it was great to be on thanks >> all right see you soon so katty kay, i want to ask you, in your capacity as an international reporter to talk about how countries, other

countries handle kidnappings by nation states. let's just look at what's happened in america over the past few months. we've had a wnba player traded for a merchant of death. a lot of critics of that trade said that it would encourage future kidnappings now we have a "wall street journal" reporter and word that other war criminals or merchants of deaths may be traded here as well in china, china has been holding mark sweden for over decade now, wron wrongfully holding him but i suspect that if he ever gets out, there will be a trade there for somebody who has broken international law what does britain do what do other countries do in this case? and compare that with the united states if we keep doing down this path. of course, we have conflicting values one is, don't negotiate with

terrorists the second is, leave no american behind so how do other countries sort through this and how does america sort through this? >> messily is the answer other countries also have the don't negotiate with terrorist attitudes, but what does that mean when you feel that a country has taken unlawfully one of your own citizens with the knowledge that if you do negotiate or give a prisoner in return, you're going to perpetuate the idea that your people will be taken there tends to be one rule, which is that you, you know, you try to negotiate diplomatically, but you don't make trades that then make your future citizens vulnerable but every country deals with this in a messy way. i think the exception for the united states is that the u.s. is frankly more of a target. and so countries like russia are going to get more publicity, more bang for their buck,more high-profile prisoners in return if they negotiate with the

united states. if you're negotiating with germany or with the uk, you're just not going to get the same level of possibility of getting somebody back in return as you do if you're negotiating with washington and perhaps, that rule of not leaving anybody behind is felt more here in the united states than it is in other european countries. maybe some other european countries are a little bit more hardheaded when it comes to getting people back and they won't give people up we saw that germany, for example, when the u.s. wanted germany to release somebody in return for brittney griner, the germans said, no, we're not going to do that, we're not going to do that for america it's messy and everybody is aware that you perpetuate something that you don't want to perpetuate when you do give a prisoner up in return that was my immediate thought when evan was taken, well, they won with brittney griner and they've tried it again that's the thinking in moscow. >> and by the way, victor booth, that merchant of death, has been online this week, encouraging

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anniversary of the good friday peace accords are coming not just to celebrate that anniversary, but actually to really rye to keep that agreement on track we heard from the president this morning as he was meeting with the british prime minister and really underscoring the political tightrope, the diplomatic sensitivity of this moment the president, when he was asked what his message was going to be to the political leaders in northern ireland, his answer was that he was going to be listening. we will hear from the president just within the next hour. he's going to be speaking. an interesting decision by the white house for him to speak at a college campus he'll be speaking to an audience of mainly of people who didn't live through the troubles who started in the late '60s through the 1990s. don't know the worst of those conflicts between protestants and the catholics, the unionists and the republicans. the message the president will be delivering is one of, how much is at stake too much has been gained economically the safety and security of northern ireland to be put at risk at this moment. and the stakes of this visit change dramatically as the president will become later today the eighth u.s. president

to touch down in dublin. he'll be the second catholic president, of course, the first being the first president to go to ireland, jfk. it's that visit 60 years ago that has been on the mind of president biden as he's been planning this visit and he'll be later today to dundoff where he'll be reconnected with some of the finnegans and kearneys, some of his great, great grandparents and one of the people he'll be meeting here is a rugby star, rob kearney, his fifth cousin once removed a part of a really personal visit as well as politically and diplomatically >> in belfast today, is the president and the white house, is it prepared to address the potential disruption to the peace accords, to the agreement that brexit has presented and put on the table >> we'll be listening very closely to the president's message and the white house has been very careful about what it's been saying ahead of his remarks. in fact, we have been expecting a shorter speech, but now we

expect it could be a bit longer. he'll really being informed by the leadership on the ground about how he can be most helpful. we've seen tensions really on the rise the united kingdom government had to increase the threat level in northern ireland. we saw an attempted -- a murder attempt on a local larm ow enforcement officer. there were marches by paramilitary groups over the weekend that we haven't seen since the days of the trouble. the sensitivity is such that the president is really going to be trying to, as the white house describes it, give a positive and affirmative message, but it's not clear how much he'll dive into the authority and economic and trade disputes that are underscoring the political moment here, the fragile one, as northern ireland's assembly hasn't met in more than a year because of some of these political disputes >> nbc's mike memoli in ireland, a couple of days ahead for president biden there. mike, thanks so much coming up, new developments in the race for the 2024

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north carolina and look to these swing states not sure what chicago gets you i mean, it's a great city, but, again, not a swing state let's face it. there are pretty bad memories there about some democratic conventions that were held in chicago. i wouldn't go there. >> you know, joe, democrats are going to carry cook county, so i get your point chicago is a great city, and you are right, i mean, a lot of people are going to be reminded of or introduced to what happened in 1968 in chicago. i was there in 1968 in chicago it was not fun it was not exciting. it was tragic in many different respect. again, you are right, i could see the convention being held in philadelphia, pennsylvania, a

critical state, and i could see atlanta and even new york city which is a national city, and chicago deserves more credit than its getting because of its complexity, and they keep on carrying on and the memories, though, i think will be distant. a lot of people have no memory of 1968 in chicago we will see what happens we will see what happens >> but, again, eddie, you have three or four, five days when the candidate is introduced in local markets, the key atlanta suburbs or milwaukee, and obviously we saw how important swing voters were in the judge's race, and the supreme court race there. chicago, again, a great city i love chicago what an american city it is, but

i am curious, seems to be an interesting choice for a state that is solidly blue >> i am still stuck on the fact that mike was there in 1968, and that's when i came into the world. but that's another issue i can see philadelphia and milwaukee. atlanta, i understand the kind of hesitancy, because georgia is a right to work state and you worry about the unions and the like i don't understand it, but, again, we will have a great time in chicago because chicago is such a wonderful city. >> point out, though, republicans will have theirs in wisconsin. senator scott is scheduled to be in iowa today, and nikki haley

announced her candidacy back in february alexi, axios has new reporting this morning on what nikki haley's campaign is telling donors about donald trump. >> the dynamics are changing against donald trump, but not entirely but in significant and small ways she's trying to peel off, and she's running this retail politics-focused campaign and raised $11 million in the first six week, which is more than donald trump's campaign rained in the first quarter, which was

$4 million this is one way that her campaign is sort of trying to take the gloves off and enter the center of this primary >> michael steele here, alexi. this is taking the gloves off? you send a memo to high-end donors, and that's taking the gloves off against donald trump? this is the problem with these people they have no clue how to go after thisman in a way that is confrontational and direct tim scott, what are those values you will be talking about? the quintessential american values the party stopped talking about those in 2015. quintessential value, grabbing women by private parts

that's what you voted for and supported. how will you navigate this terrain in a primary and general election setting because voters are watching, and a lot of people want to discount the general election, but they just don't tune in after the primary. how do republicans, from your reporting, plan to pull together a race that wins over the american people. >> it's a point well taken that it's a gloves off approach by sending a memo, and nobody can play donald trump's game as well as he does governor ron desantis barely made swipes at him and saw what happened when he did that. trump was suggesting ron

desantis has a different sexual orientation than he has, and so this is one way i think nikki haley is trying to avoid that and convince donors she's not part of that drama the other thing i have heard privately is there are some conversations here on the hill among some republicans who are thinking about the possibility of an alternative ticket that they could all get behind, and that was something considered in 2016 with ted cruz and rubio i have heard that from, you know, a couple republicans privately, that that's something interesting to them and is thinking about and working on because they don't want trump to be president >> they have not done that yet, except in a private memo

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doctor that helped after the mass shooting. also, donald trump sits down with fox news and we will show you some of what the former president had to say about the world's worst dictators. and the republican majority has not done a whole lot since taking the majority of the house. this morning we have new details about the police response to the mass shooting at a bank in louisville on monday authorities released new body camera video that shows officers rushing towards the gunman intense new police body cam video shows two officers rushing towards the gunman hidden inside

national bank, and one officer grazed by a bullet after his partner was shot in the head officer galloway fired the fatal shot >> suspect is down get the officer. >> these images showed the shooter inside the bank, and investigators say he purchased the ar-15 legally from a louisville gun store he waited for police, and shooting at bystanders before striking officer wilt, who is in stable but critical condition. >> in a statement to nbc news

overnight, the family said he had mental health concerns dr. jason smith, who treated the victims, getting emotional >> i would simply ask you to do something, because doing nothing, which is what we are doing, is not working. >> we are learning more about the lives lost james tutt just celebrated his 64th birthday. 63-year-old, thomas elliott, a beloved mentor to family and friends, and -- >> the last thing he said to me was i will do whatever you need me to do >> and then farmer moved to louisville to be closer to her

daughter and grandchildren >> i can't tell her how much i love her >> during a press conference yesterday, the mayor of louisville, craig greenburg, made a plea. >> we need short-term action to end this gun violence epidemic now. so fewer people die on our streets and in our banks and in our schools and in our churches. and for that, we need help we need help from our friends in frankfurt and help from our friends in washington, d.c this is not about partisan politics this is about life and death this is about preventing tragedies. you may think this will never

happen to you, never happen to any of your friends or loved ones i used to think that the sad truth is that now no one in our city, no one in our state, no one in our country has that luxury anymore. last year i survived a workplace shooting now yesterday i've lost a very close friend in another workplace shooting five more families have lost a loved one. it's happened in louisville. it could happen in paducah, in pikeville or in covington. this is happening in america everywhere, and will keep happening until we say enough and take meaningful action >> the mayor joins us live this morning. thanks for your time

we appreciate it so sorry for what you and your city are going through right now. before we talk about some of the issues you raised yesterday, what is the condition, if you are aware, of some of the victims still in the hospital, including the officer that bravely rushed into the gunfire inside that bank >> good morning. the officer is in stable condition, and definitely still fighting there's no doubt in my mind, dr. smith, who you heard from earlier, saved his life and we are praying for him and we understand he had a good day yesterday and stabilized in his condition somewhat the other victims who have not passed are doing well and hopefully are all on the road to recovery right now we are optimistic about their futures as well. that does not minimize the tragedy of the five victims that

were lost as a result of this shooting and every victim that is lost as a result of gun violence >> let's talk about that, and we will take that as just a sliver of good news as the victims in the hospital are doing better. do i have it right, in the state of kentucky, even by state law, even if you wanted to impose new restrictions or put in a red flag law, as a mayor you could not do it, because municipalities could not make their own gun laws >> yeah, that's correct. it's more crazy than that. i, as the mayor, would be committing a crime if i seek to create or enforce any type of regulation to reduce the amount of gun violence in our city. that is absurd that is dangerous. that is why i am asking my friends in the state legislature to giver us local autonomy, to make our own decisions about how

we can uniquely reduce gun violence in our city of louisville >> we understand the conversation in kentucky and tennessee is different than what we might have in new york or somewhere like that. what is reasonable to expect in the state of kentucky? what could change, in your mind? >> well, i think there are several things in addition to giving us local autonomy we could look at red flag laws as you mentioned earlier the shooter, as we mentioned yesterday, we released he bought the gun just recently in the situation in my workplace shooting just over a year ago in our campaign office where a gunman entered that office and fired six shots at me at close range, he bought that gun an

hour before that and in kentucky law, right now that assault rifle that was used to kill five people yesterday and used to fire on police officers coming to the rescue, will one day be turned over to the state and auctioned off and then be used to commit another crime. i want to be able to destroy illegal guns and confiscated guns, so guns used to commit a crime are never used to commit a gun again. >> that's the law, they turnover guns that were used to slaughter people, they auction them off, and you put stickers on them, and pull out the pins so they would have to have it repaired to use it again, and what is the justification for that

>> i have no clue. we are doing what we can we are moving the firing pins now before turning them over to the state. the money used from the proceeds of these auctions is used for a good cause, it's used for equipment, for police departments across the state that is certainly an important cause. that's a cause i suppose that is not a lot of money we can ensure from a local level and state level that police departments have the resources we need to keep us safe and protect every officer. i am firmly committed to that goal we don't need to be auctioning off illegal guns and putting them back on the street to keep our officers safe. we have funds to do that through other means. >> i reached the point of the era of gun violence in the country, and the mayor having survived a workplace shooting

and now experiencing another one, and this is an era where people are now going into their second shooting in public. >> yeah, and this is where first and second graders are now taught to hide under desks and hide in locked rooms as part of their initiation into public school, and sadly the national media will move on a few days from this story and be there the next time, perhaps next week or this coming weekend, we don't know when another mass shooting will occur you live with the ripple affects of what happened in your city. you know these people. could you speak to those ripple affects? we saw a picture of a woman that just moved back to louisville, and we saw a picture of a father that is now dead with two small children the ripple affect of those

survivors, they will never get over what happened yesterday >> the impact from gun violence is enormous. it impacts the families and loved ones, as you are talking about. it impacts our entire community. whether it's a mass shooting that happened earlier this week in louisville, or whether it's a targeted shooting, that happens on another street corner in our city or another city the impacts of gun violence are becoming far too unbearable for cities like louisville and other cities across the country, and that's why we need to do something. i am hopeful i woke up this morning optimistic after our comments yesterday, the outreach i received from others around the community, from lawmakers in our city council, in our state legislature, that reached out and said can we talk let's have a conversation. this is time to have a conversation i am waking up this morning cautiously optimistic that we can work together.

even when the news media moves on, that we in louisville, we in kentucky, we will be working together we will put politics aside to begin to implement steps to reduce the amount of gun violence in our city, in our state, and ultimately our country. >> let's hope that's the beginning of a productive conversation for you and the people of your city. mr. mayor, thank you for your time this morning. again, our condolences to you and the people of your city for this dark week you are suffering through. thank you. >> thank you and then officer wilkes was on the job just ten days before being shot >> to be honest with you, we barely had to adjust our operating room schedule to be able to do this. that's how frequent we are

having to deal with gun violence in our community people say they are tired, but it's more than tired, i am weary. only so many times you can walk into a room and tell somebody they are not coming home tomorrow it breaks your heart when you hear somebody screaming mom, or daddy, it's too hard to do that day in and day out i'm a doctor but to those that make policy, state or federal, do something, because doing nothing is not working. >> the chief medical officer at the louisville health, and some of the victims are still in the hospital and under the care of your staff what more can you tell us about them >> first, thanks for having me on we still have three individuals

in the hospital, and the officer is still in the icu, and he's critical but stable. the other two are being treated from the shooting. >> it's good news the officer has been stabilized. do you expect him to survive and make a full recovery >> it's too early to be able to say what his long-term outcome will be. i am encouraged by the fact we have been able to make it this long our neuro surgeons did a great job to save his life after the shooting >> that was echoed a moment ago by the mayor that said your staff saved the lives that were taken there. in terms of gun violence, we were ready for it, because we have to be we are ready for it because we have become accustomed to it what have you seen through your

hospital and how has that changed in recent years? >> this is something we routinely train and prepare for. our trauma center treats over 4,000 patients a year from traumatic jerry, and a lot of those are gunshot wounds and stabbings. our surgeons in our trauma center, work constantly to be prepared for this. unfortunately we are called into action way too often over the last few years, it has escalated to an incredible point right now. >> doctor, i was moved by your words yesterday, especially when you said you are not a politician, you don't have all the answers but, you know, doing nothing is not working we couldn't agree with you more there. i would love for you, though, to explain to us, help our viewers

better understand what you do go through day in and day out because we cover the mass shootings, we cover shootings like the one a couple days ago, but we also know that you are dealing with handgun shootings constantly we understand the number of mass shootings nationwide just keeps skyrocketing talk about the daily violence you have to endure in there? >> i think nothing tells the story than in the midst of this shooting we had another unrelated shooting where patients came in from in the city, just blocks away from where this occurred. it was literally in our response to this mass casualty event at the national bank. it's unrelenting i speak for louisville, but talking with my colleagues around the country, seattle,

portland, chicago, los angeles, this is no different than what they deal with on a day-to-day basis. from the news story and the mass shootings we get inundated with, they are a bit sterilized, you don't hear the whales of the parents of the mass shootings that occurred. >> can you highlight the difference between the normal, ter terrible tragic gunshot wounds you may get from a handgun, and what happens when you have a patient shot up by an ar-15? >> there's simply no comparison. the energies and the velocities of the bullets moving from a

rifle are just devastatingto the human body that's what they were designed to do. the amount of energy that is impacted on the tissues just liquefies organs, and it leaves his horrific wounds that are almost unable to be treated because of how devastating they can be again, that's what they were designed to do handguns don't carry that kind of energy. it just makes treating those patients so much more difficult and trying to save their lives are so much more difficult given the injuries that occur with rifles >> jason, on a personal level, i want to ask you, when you first decided to become a doctor, when you first started medical school, could you have ever imagined there would come a time in your career that guns would

be the number one killer of children in america? >> no. the simple fact is no. the amount of gun violence and the escalation we have had, really over the 22 or 23 years i have been out of medical school, give your take, has been just unbelievable this was somewhat isolated and was actually on the downturn in the '90s, and the uptick that we have seen during my career and what we are seeing now is on a scale that has not been seen in this country ever. i think that's what people need to understand, this is a public health crisis. there are -- there are problems with gun violence in every city and every community in the united states. we have to begin to have the discussions and the dialogues,

because there's no simple answer to this problem, and we have to come up with solutions with what we have to deal with in this country. >> you are so right, and americans shouldn't be numbed by it you are so right the number of gun deaths skyrocketed even since sandy hook ten years ago the chief medical officer at louisville health, doctor, thank you for being with us. we appreciate your time. >> thank you >> eddie, we have to keep reminding our viewers that we see this tragedies and eric adams during his campaign called them mainly suburban problems, these mass shootings. but talking about the handgun shootings in urban centers,

philadelphia, lull ouisville, yu name it. if we talked about all the shootings that happened in america over a weekend, we would spend four hours on monday, every monday, covering nothing but shootings that happened over the weekend. this is the tragedy of the mass shootings and the tragedy of the ar ar-15 slaughters, and it's incomprehensible americans are getting shot and killed every day >> right, joe. what i was trying to wrap my mind around as i was listening to dr. smith and as i was watching his eyes. remember he said in the press conference, he says, people say i am tired he said i am not really tired. to be honest with you, i am wary he said i am wary. i was thinking about at that

moment that we have this relationship crazed death, and we have privatized grief, and your grief is your own these people, these doctors, they are on the front lines of the death that has a pandemic kind of quality in the country they saw it with covid they are seeing it with guns they are tired and weary the collateral affects of this violence, all right, cuts to the core, the psyche of the country. these people are on the front lines in so many ways. we have to do something, joe we have to figure out the cultural shift that is needed. we have to deal with our dead differently if we are going to deal with the fundamentals in

this country peu >> we have to say there's nothing we can do. more people have died in america in the first three months of this year than what our forces lost in afghanistan and iraq over the last 20 years and this is a choice, this is an american choice. we can talk about american violence, the violent culture of video games and mental health, et cetera, et cetera, and all other western countries has those things, and it's just that america has guns, and they keep selling guns, and deadlier guns, and legislators keep taking more extreme positions. >> i have yet to hear that other countries have mental problems, and you have teenage boys stuck

in basements playing videos in other games but you don't have mass shootings when you do have a mass shooting in another country, like the uk and australia, they take radical action, and like new zealand, they take radical action and stop the shootings there are not the number of people being killed in those countries. why are guns the number one killer of children because children are no longer dying in car accidents the way they were, because guess what? we regulated cars. we put in place safety measures so it wouldn't happen anymore. you can regulate one industry, but in the united states you can't touch guns to regulate them the interview with the doctor was fascinating. we never hear from doctors saying this is getting worse and accelerating they see it. they know it's getting worse >> sandy hook was a choice

nashville was a choice louisville, a choice we made a decision as a country 20, 25 years ago, to make driving in a car safer how many lives have those decisions made we can do the same thing with guns we didn't want to take away peoples' cars. we wanted to make driving a car safer. we need to do the same thing with guns. >> the twisted irony, joe, is this conversation we are having right now and the reaction to these horrific shootings has th opposite affect, people will go and buy more guns because there are laws that will restrict their gun rights, and it's just the rhythm of how this has gone. mike, you are struck listening to dr. smith, when he talks it's

completely void of politics, and he's on the back end saying i don't want to see people with their organs liquified by an ar-15, and you listen to cops, and they say i don't want to be on a gunfight like on a battlefield. parents are saying i don't want to drop my first grader off at school and get a call two hours later saying they are not coming home because somebody walked in and shot up the school >> willie, there's a phrase dr. smith used that has been repeated often, after every shooting that we cover, after ever shooting, and it's we have to do something. we have to do something. but we don't do something. we do little things occasionally to address gun violence, but we have to do something we failed at doing something

we failed the country. we have created victims. i can almost guarantee you one thinging about dr. smith when he was talking about the difficulty of leaving the trauma unit and going out and telling a wife, a mother, a husband, that your spouse, your father, your mother, is dead, and they are not coming back and listening to the cries of grief, the screams in the emergency room waiting room dr. smith, i guarantee you, lives with those screams our problem as a country is we don't hear those screams in unity. our problem as a legislative body in the senate and the house, they don't hear those screams. i would like to see united states senators who continually stand against renewed gun legislation that would help solve this issue, this virus that crippled america and threatens america every day, i

would like to see them stand in one of those emergency rooms and listen to the cries of children and wives and husbands and mothers and fathers who know their loved one is dead 15 feet from where they stand, and listen to those screams because america is streaming right now >> sadly this can hear those screams every day somewhere in this country still ahead here on "morning joe," we are waiting a new inflation report stephanie ruhle joins us ahead to break down the numbers and what they mean for the economy plus, former president donald trump heaping praise on the dictators of russia, china and north korea. we will show you his new remarks when "morning joe" comes right back whoo! we gotta go again. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ avoiding triggers but can't keep migraines away?

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news interview >> they're all top of the line our guy is not top of the line never was. president xi is a pwrbrilliant . if you went all over hollywood to look for the role of president xi there's nobody like that the look, the brain, everything. there was a great chemistry we had. we talked about everything a great chemistry. but people ask me, how smart is xi i said top of the line you never met anybody smarter. how smart is kim jong-un top of the line. really smart when you come out as a young man at 24, 23, even though he sort of inherits it, he took over a country of very smart people,

and very energetic people, very tough people at a young age, and he has total dominant control. that's not easy. putin, very smart. >> it takes your breath away >> it really does. >> joe, talking about xi like a idol, the look, the brains, all of it. putin, right now for more than a year is contkducting a war in which he is killing children he always praised putin, but to do it at this time -- >> yeah, and there are two people that just got a small group together to protests in a seaside town, and they are going to jail for over a decade. you look at what putin did

really smart really you sees a "wall street journal" reporter it's apberrant he is praising some of the leaders there on the world stage, and he praised how great putin was and how horrible barack obama was we said, he kills politicians. he said, we kill people, too it's very disturbing for the cult-like followers he still has that will worship a guy that worships the biggest tyrants on the globe. catty kay, on top of that, donald trump is alone in calling

vladimir putin very shrewd and smart. he wrecked russia's economy and -- no, he has wrecked the economy, and he has ruined their trade, at least for now, with the europeans as far as energy goes he had europe energy-dependent on him no more. president xi, one mistake after another over the past five years. here's a guy that wants to run for president against ron desantis's covid lockdowns president xi had the most tyrannical lockdowns on the globe. is it projection or confession i am not sure what, but it's so

unbecoming -- >> he can't bring himself to admit that maybe he was wrong as president in assessment of the authoritarian leaders, and he has to say, no, i still believe it you run through the list of what those people have done president xi who crashed the chinese economy during the course of his covid lockdowns and is on the point of doing exercises where he might make a serious attempt on taiwan. president putin just managed to expand nato's border by 800 miles with russia has lost hundreds of thousands of his own troops in ukraine, in a war that has not won him anything and perhaps the most startling is his assessment of kim jong-un in south korea where he says he's totally dominant, and he has not earned it but as a small amount of people, well, he has

people that risk go into a concentration camp if they do anything that oppose him trump admires these leaders, who are dictators, and in the case of kim jong-un, an aggressive and ruthless leader of his own people, and it's astonishing to hear him say this, let alone, the look, the hollywood look, is that perhaps really what it's all about, that he likes the look and feel and the power of these people and wishes he would have had it himself. >> absolutely. that's what it's all about, the look we know donald trump continues to grow his lead in the early polling in the american primary, and it shows his lead over ron desantis bigger than even before the arraignment last week. he has a 25% -- he has to run in

a general election to become president again. when you hear this as a republican, even if you are a trump ally, and maybe looking around at ron desantis or nikki haley or tim scott, who we expect to hear get into the race today. what do you do with what you heard last night i know it's not new and he has given praise to these men before, but is this something you want to run back as before during his time as president >> yeah, you kind of set the floor. i think the bottom line is donald trump looks at these men and he says, if i had that kind of power, i would not be where i am right now i would not have to worry about a rogue prosecutor new york, i would not have to worry about a rogue prosecutor looking into january 6th. january 6th wouldn't have happened because the election

would have been a forgone conclusion, the outcome would have been exactly what i wanted it to be he admires these men for the power he wishes he had, and that's the kind of power he wants to have over the american people who is going to stand up and tell donald trump to shut the hell up, he doesn't know what he's talking about, and he is as bad as you are which is why he should not be within ten feet of the white house? nikki haley and her memos, she wrote a memo, she didn't come on "morning joe" and have a conversation with this panel to say exactly what she wrote in a memo to donors look, let's understand the landscape here

nothing changes unless they want to change it donald trump is, has been, and will be through this cycle the preimminent dominant figure in the republican party why, willie? because that's what they want. they want him. they like the idea of a powerful leader that can own the libs, and consroerting with dictators and mass murderers you have to give up something, right? that's the attitude. there's no leadership willing to come to the table, look the american people in the eye and go, we're done, we're checking out of this. all the complaints and the wining mean nothing because you wind up at the exact same point. donald trump goes on fox and sits down with tucker, and

that's laughable because tucker hates him passionately, and here we are, we are having a conversation with a guy that he hates passionately and looking at him seriously and taking in every word guys, this is where we are with the party at this point, and nobody is prepared to come into the fore and say enough of this, and say these are the policies we want to fight for this is no joe scarborough -- wait, time-out, i know what these guys want to do in the caucus, but that's not what the party should be doing. we talk about it but end up at the same spot every time coming up, we will take a look at the new lawsuit against jim jordan "morning joe" is back in a moment ♪ ♪

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scrutiny since it became likely the former president would be charged in new york city jordan issued a subpoena last week ordering a former prosecutor in the case to appear before the judiciary committee in the new lawsuit, the d.a. asked the court to block that subpoena, arguing it could cause irreparable harm to the case if certain information is disclosed, and congress has no power to conduct oversight of a

state prosecution. a federal judge scheduled a hearing on the lawsuit for next week joining us now, josh gerstein. tell us what the specific complaint is and where it goes from here. >> willie, the lawsuit is aimed at the subpoena of mark pomerantz, who is not in his office, and that led pomerantz and one of his aides t since then, there's been an effort by jordan and other house republicans to try to use pomerantz as a vehicle to get inside bragg's office and bragg's thinking, not only on

that criminal case that wasn't brought but the one that was just brought in the last couple of weeks dealing with narrower issues relating to trump and those payments to stormy daniels and to another woman republicans hope mark pomerantz is their way into the investigation. bragg decided to take a pre-emptive move going to federal court, interestingly in new york, not down here in washington, d.c., and see if he can halt this subpoena i do think it's going to be an uphill battle for bragg. >> josh, it looks like republicans are going to come back and say, hold on a second, pomerantz has written the book this is all out there in public. how can you stop him from testifying when people have already read what he has to say? >> right that's the trickiest part of this, given pomerantz wrote the book it's hard for him to take the position that i can't say one word to you now, i need to zip my lip because of this current prosecution that's going on.

the other thing going on in this suit, it's turning the tables. remember when trump was in office, had you all these democratic-led investigations out of congress trying to get documents like tax returns trump would say, those aren't legitimate investigations. this is something congress is doing that's purely political. now we have bragg trying to basically adopt those arguments and say, congress has no legitimate business looking into an investigation being conducted by a manhattan district attorney >> quick question for you. if this is an uphill battle, why bring the suit does this impact the time line for bragg's own investigation? do you have to deal with this s sideshow first before we get back to looking into trump's conduct? >> he tried, sam, to bring this outside counsel. he has a lawyer out of los

angeles who is handling this affirmative litigation, this aggressive step that bragg has made here. i don't think it would derail the prosecution at the moment. the ball is in trump's court the way the judge in new york set a long deadline going through august and a calendar to hear motions through the end of the year i don't think bragg is under a lot of pressure to push his investigation forward. he is waiting for trump to return this volley i don't see it derailing the investigation. i think the concern is that if they did get pomerantz on the witness stand or in a deposition that we might see a lot more of the inside baseball within bragg's office being spilled out publically i think bragg is not eager to see that happen. it would be a distraction to the indictment and the case that he brought last week. coming up, between the tennessee three, abortion and donald trump, the republican party just loves losing.

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>> reporter: hi, willie. the room here is still teaming with people. the president just left. this is part of the president doing what he can to commemorate the 25th anniversary of the good friday accords, which brought peace to northern ireland after years and years of political violence known as the troubles this all comes at a time when there are new tensions in northern ireland it's something the president was very careful in the way he addressed it here, urging all the political sides to renew and refresh their efforts to the democratic institutions and to keep peace going part of that message is to try to do investment in northern ireland. of course, a job and economic opportunity is a great way to bring about peace. that's a big part of the message here today the president talked about how the good friday accords really was an example to people around

the world for how peace could come at a time when it had been so long hard fought. ireland is about many things for joe biden, including family roots. he is headed to the republic of ireland, heading to dublin he will meet officials there part of his time over the next few days, including some time today, will be retracing biden family lore and history. his sister valerie is with him his son hunter is with him there will be time not only for the politics but some of the personal as well willie >> kelly o'donnell starting us off live in belfast. thanks so much mike, you were there in april of 1998, for the signing of the good friday agreement what was the significance in that moment and what is it today? >> the transformation in the -- the geographic transformation is astounding

the remnants of the troubles is there, having to do what goods can be imported into northern ireland. brexit changed everything in terms of -- northern ireland is sill still part of great britain. i understand the president addressed it we will find out more later today. it's an element of troubles that exists there's no doubt about that. it's hard to diminish that what happened in 1998 was truly historic and lasting people like the late john hume, david trimble, the unionist leader he was from derry where sunday bloody sunday occur and helped put this peace process together. president biden is the latest president to adhere to making it move forward president clinton is going to be there next week, i think senator kennedy, ted kennedy

helped the process move along, tip o'neill, as far as the late '80s and early '90s helped move the process to where we are today. >> mike, of course, was there for the signing of the good friday agreement it was a very moving time. mike will tell you, he was there during the easter rising in 1916 >> that's correct. >> a tumultuous time good friends with michael collinss it's incredible though the achievement. i'm so glad that joe biden is there, glad the clintons are going to mark it with tony blair and others, because it really was a landmark achievement something that nobody thought could be done. and yet, clinton, blair, the irish all came together and figured out a way to bring peace to that troubled, troubled area. >> yeah. look as a child growing up in

england, we didn't have trash cans in the subway stations because you didn't know if there was going to be a bomb put in the subway stations. you would go shopping around christmas and worry the department store might get blown up it was a real thing. the prospect of terrorism was a real thing the good friday agreement absolutely changed that. it wouldn't have happened, frankly, without american involvement. it's one of the few issues here in washington around which there is pretty bipartisan agreement i heard from democrats and from republicans after brexit, after britain left the european union about ireland and this issue of ireland. nothing can disrupt the good friday agreement they were really adamant about that they talked to the british government about that. things are not perfect ireland's -- northern ireland's gdp is lower than that of the republic of ireland. it's lower than that of the mainland of the united kingdom that causes problems there's been a small uptick in violence recently that has some people worried

it's part of the reason that joe biden is paying perhaps such a short visit to northern ireland. there isn't a functioning government at the moment some of that is the legacy of brexit as well there are things that need to be sorted out it's night and day compared to what it was before the good friday agreement at the height of the troubles. >> i will tell you what, for people not as old as let's just say mikecharitable we would watch lord mount blatan with his boat blown up margaret thatcher was a target of terrorist bombings. barely survived that as well it had been going back and forth, bloody sunday, just

heinous what happened to the irish. the cycle of violence continued and repeated itself. again, what a landmark achievement by the leaders that brought peace to northern ireland 25 years ago >> yeah. that violent went on for 30 years. the significance of this on a generation and a half, really, of the people of northern ireland was huge that's why president biden is stopping to commemorate this anniversary. it's part of his four-day visit overseas as well to ireland. we want to turn home to breaking economic news a key inflation reading shows consumer prices rose slightly less than expected by .1% last month and 5% over the prior year let's bring in senior business analyst and host of "the 11th hour," stephanie ruhle good morning what do we make of this morning? >> listen, this is good news if you look at the futures market right now, it's up,

because this is another sign, this is the ninth month that you are starting to see inflation numbers cool we haven't seen them at a point like this going up at this rate since may of 2021. if you remember, that's when things first started to go up, because of the supply chain issues and other impacts of covid. this is positive news. where we are seeing things still go up the most is around shelter, mortgage, rent. that's not great news. that's often the biggest bills we are paying. as it relates to groceries, what it's like when you walk into the grocery store, we are not seeing prices go up generally speaking, this is very positive news. a good trend >> steph, incredible balancing act. we want a landing, but we don't want too hard of a landing bad news or bad projections from the imf this week. i know you know the front of "the wall street journal" talking about bank volatility,

h hindering growth a bleak outlook over the next five years or so again, a balancing act we want a soft landing we may not get that. huh? >> we might not get that if you look at what's happened to banks over the last few months -- obviously, that panics people it shouldn't impact depositors the government made it very clear, we are going to do everything we can to backstop things we know initial fdic insurance covers $250,000 of deposits. the government said, we have your back. this isn't your mistake. it's mistakes banks have made over the last few years. what we are seeing on the bank side is the impact of rates going up so quickly. the fed has said it before, often there's a year lag between when they raise rates and when you see the impact you are going to see how banks made bad decisions, they did not have sticky depositors what we have experiences is a crisis of confidence we are still going to see how that plays through the system. it wasn't a one off with silicon

valley bank and signature. we could see this happen with other smaller banks, especially around the world >> to that point, warren buffett was on cnbc a couple of hours ago from tokyo and said, there are going to be more bank fail y failures but, if you have deposits in american banks, you should not be worried about that. >> he is 100% correct. the government made it clear this is when one of warren buffett's most famous quotes comes out. rates were so low for so long and there weren't rules around it -- enough rules of what banks could do with the money. some banks got wild and sloppy they said, where are we going to make money with rates at zero sfzero we can't make it with cash sitting in the bank. they got reckless. >> i want to ask you about an

interview tonight with energy secretary jennifer granholm. what did you learn from the interview? >> the biggest thing she's focused on are the president's goals around going green i met with her 15 minutes outside midtown manhattan at the largest electricity generating plant in new york city that's going to move completely off fossil fuels in the next few years. one of the things people don't realize -- going green is going to cost us money one thing she talked about is the thousands of jobs it's going to create. where we met around this plant, it used to be known as as thma

alley. it's going to create an extraordinary amount of jobs it's going to make the air cleaner and healthier to people can live in a better place >> steph, not so many years ago, a decade or so, whenever you would talk about alternative energy sources, it made a lot of sense environmentally. it did not make a lot of sense to businessowners or to oil producing countries economically now i know you have had these conversations. i've had as well it's fascinating americans need to focus on this. even in the most oil rich countries in the middle east, they say, we are rushing to move to alternative energy sources, because we may -- we may have 20 more years of oil underground. our survival depends on moving to alternative energy sources. that's, again, oil rich countries in the middle east and across the world talk about that, if you will

>> 100%, joe which way do you want it we say all the time, we want to be independent we want to be independent. this is the way we are going to be independent it's tough to make this conversion there's many people out there saying, we are never going to get there. going green is way more expensive. renewables doesn't make sense. we're now getting to a place where it makes more and more sense. it's not an easy conversion. the government is doing so much and creating so many incentives to do so it's going to work out economically we just have to get through this period >> stephanie ruhle, we will be watching "the 11th hour" tonight and every weeknight on msnbc thanks this more thaning, more dets about the response to the bank shooting louisville. morgan, the police released footage yesterday. what did it show

>> reporter: as chilling as this was, police say it shows the two officers who responded, officer galloway and wilt doing what they were trained to do, engage the gunman as quickly as possible to eliminate the threat portions have been edited and blurred by the louisville police department they show the arrival on monday morning of the two officers who showed up here just minutes after that 911 call went out it really documents that crucial four-minute window from the moment they arrived until the moment that gunman was taken down it shows the heavy fire power he possessed inside the bank lobby behind me. because of this video and images obtained inside, authorities say he essentially created an ambush for these officers, shooting at bystanders until they pulled up. firing from an elevated vantage point behind reflective glass. that's why in this horrifying bodycam video we see officer

galloway grazed, tumbling down the stairs he is able to eventually shoot the fatal shot that killed the 25-year-old gunman this is all happening just seconds after his partner, officer wilt, was critically injured with a gunshot wound to the head he is in critical but stable condition. the authorities here credited both of these themselves in thee of fire to make sure those inside were not being targeted by the gunman. there was no shot fired, no threats made to people in the bank from the minute they arrived. there is still more evidence to come out today they are calling on the public to pass along any information they have. we have learned that the 25-year-old gunman obtained that ar-15 rifle from a louisville gun dealership legally on april 4th. his family coming out overnight and saying that he was dealing

with mrental health problems. they were trying to help him address those. important to note, in kentucky, there is no law in place that would prohibit someone with a mental health disorder or with a substance abuse disorder from going out and legally purchasing a firearm. there's only a federal law that prohibits anyone with a felony conviction from buying a gun that is why we have heard the mayor express frustration. on top of that, this rifle used in this shooting, under kentucky law, won't be destroyed but will be auctioned off that's one of the reasons the mayor is asking state lawmakers for autonomy to create their own rules to handle what he calls an ongoing gun epidemic in this city >> we spoke to the mayor in our last hour and heard some of the frustration in his voice and the doctor louisville treating the patients, offering a sliver of hope about the three still in the hospital, including officer wilt, who he said is doing

better he does remain in critical condition. morgan chesky reporting from louisville thanks so much coming up, donald trump talked about his arraignment last night in an interview on fox news we will show you the strange claims he made about what was happening inside the courthouse last week. one of our next guests writes that between the tennessee three, abortion and donald trump, the republican party seems to love losing we will talk to molly jong fast ouabt her latest piece ge your w. like going hiking, just to hike to the bathroom. reaching for the bar, just to reach for pads. waiting for the sunset, just to wait for the stall. discover gemtesa. a once-a-day pill proven to reduce all 3 key symptoms of oab: leakage episodes, urgency and frequency in adults.

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when i went to the courthouse, which is also a prison, in a sense, they signed me in. and i will tell you, people were crying, people that work there, professionally work there, that have no problems putting in murderers and they see everybody. it's a tough place they were crying they were actually crying. they said, i'm sorry they would say, 2024, sir, 2024.

tears are pouring down many of them were in tears or close to it. many apologized, we're sorry, sir, we're sorry they had me do certain things. sir, i can't believe i have to ask you -- i can't believe that i have to ask you to do it >> it's just -- tears flowing down their faces i ran into a balloon, turned and the balloon said, sir, and was weeping. this is what i don't get donald trump loves playing tough guy and talks about his followers being tough hombres or whatever he says of them they are tough you don't want to get on the wrong side of them they are really tough people but he kind of described his followers as a movement of snowflakes and weepers he is always talking about how

everybody that supports -- they all cry. they are all weeping through tears. that's what he said last night man, he loves painting his followers as these weeping willows, these cryers. look at this >> they were crying. they were actually crying. they said, i'm sorry they would say, 2024, sir, 2024. when a man comes to me, tears in his eyes, please, sir, endorse me a big buy grabbed me he was almost crying it happens every time. eight out of nine were crying. big, strong guys they came up to me one of them said, thank you, sir, for saving our country. he was crying. they saw me and they were crying men that were tough and strong, these are not cryers, these are people that are real

strong, tough cookie he didn't cry when he was a baby he was crying. he said, sir, you gave me back my life. >> these are not cryers. what does he mean? they are all cryers. they are all weepers they're so fragile they're snowflakes they are big, broaun -- i'm telling you, enough tears to water all the lands of egypt, all the -- willie, it's just -- it's just too bizarre. hes autocrats. he loves painting his followers

as weak weepers. i don't get it. >> i think what he is trying to give off is that he is almost a religious figure these people are so moved in his presence that they are brought to tears maybe you or i would be many church on easter for them, this is their religious figure he did heap pray or president xi and vladimir putin a couple of days after he kidnapped an american reporter. of course, on kim jong-un. a weird riff on president xi he talked about his look, almost a hollywood look he has the look and the brain and the wohole thing it's a weird -- i don't want to use the word crush but an obsession. >> it's weird. it goes back to him talking about the love letters with kim jong-un. here is a guy that savagely tortures his own people, threatens asia and the world

with nuclear war but trump talks about his love letters and how wonderful he is, talks about how brilliant vladimir putin is when he has made one historical mistake after another, how brilliant xi is when we know how bad things have been over the past three years because of their lockdown, complete welcolockdown of china. >> there isn't anyone with the look or the smarts, top of their game to play him in a hollywood blockbuster. if we thought president trump was going to come out of office and have a rethink about his relationship with kim jong-un and whether it had been in america's national security interest, the summits he held, the love letters, clearly not. i feels if he were to distance himself, that would -- these people would be -- it's an odd

psycho dynamic i will double on my affection for them you need a better therapist than i am to sort out what's going on in those relationships it is weird. it's clearly weird to list a string of them these are -- none of these people are people who have america's interests at heart these are not people who wish america well according to donald trump, they are at the top of their game, top of the line. >> you flatter me, i flatter you. joining us now, amy walter and special correspondent and host of "the fast politics" broadcast, molly jong fast molly writes, last week republicans committed unforced errors the reverberations will haunt them in 2024 and beyond. in tennessee, we saw racism. in texas, zealots attempting to

make the law reflect his own religious theories in new york, lawlessness that is an element of trumpism the base was delighted it's hard to see how they encourage anyone who doesn't identify as ultra maga how republicans got here is no mystery. trump touched the third rail of the republican base, the people who are beyond the pale. republicans found themselves dependen dep dependent on this. they are staring down a death ray with crushing defeat unless they change the rules to keep minority rule. molly, this is something we have been talking about over the last week you are seeing the fallout in a place like wisconsin last week, in the supreme court vote. abortion was front and center, guns you can go across the country. midterms really crystallized all of it. now we will see it spill into the 2024 race as well. >> yeah. that judge in wisconsin, she won by 11 points

wisconsin is a very split state. you don't get there without making a lot of mistakes democratic governor got re-elected very unusual for wisconsin they are turning these purple states blue because they are not offering voters anything but this weird kind of ultra maga religious fever. >> the odd thing is, as you write in the piece, they are almost drilling down deeper into the issues they know now, the evidence is that, that they know have cost them votes in the midterms and even before that, the referendum in kansas, for example. they are following donald trump down the backward looking road of election conspiracy theories of 2020. deeper into the abortion questions, guns and everything else they are leaning into the things that are costing votes. >> they are so dependent on the base for turnout that -- they have to deliver to this base you see more and more, especially with the abortion question, most people -- the majority of purple state voters don't want these crazy

restrictive abortion laws. the people who got these republicans in office, the real anti-choice zealots, they want abortion gone. that's what we saw in texas with this trump-appointed judge by way, his legal theory that the fda -- this is a drug that has been available in france since the '80s i think that we are going to see more of that they have to get this base excited. they have to get them to turn out in record numbers in order for them to keep anything like what they have had >> i love the new article by amy walters. it's fascinating amy, i don't usually get people who -- trump supporters, they are actually kind of nice to me. they are not too tough on me in person or on twitter for whatever reason. when they are, they will shout out, trump 2024, right i'm like, let's hope, because as

you say, the more -- by the way, conservatives started saying this after '22 the more trump is in the news, the better for democrats when trump is not in the news, biden is in the news the more biden is in the news, the better it is for republicans. republicans can't help themselves. >> right it's better for trump actually when he is not in the news >> right >> we have seen something of a rallying affect around him by the base since the indictment. for most part, when he is not in the news -- people on the republican side who weren't really in love with the idea of trump 2024, it's not because they don't like him, they just were worried he wasn't able to, you know, be able to win against biden in a second run. the less that he is in the news, the more they go back to, well, maybe he could win and maybe he has changed. biden really struggling.

then as soon as he comes back into the news, it raises all of those questions. the real challenge i think for republicans right now, it goes to what molly was saying, which is it's not just the base gets motivated by this but legislators in these states are elected by people who really aren't worried at all about competitiveness. these are lengtgislators that ae in 80% republican districts. they don't worry about what's going to happen in a swing district or swing state years from now or a year from now. >> you say in here also that trump is not looking for converts it's one of the things that's surprised me about him since 2017 politics is a game of addition he keeps subtracting 4% 64% say, no thanks

add to that abortion, which has completely changed american politics, especially in the three states that are the three most important states for donald trump, that you point out, wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania talk about the seismic political impact abortion had on those states in 2022 and in this judge's race >> that's right. republicans, in part, made this an issue by the kind of candidates that they nominated they didn't just nominate anti-choice politicians. they nominated, in doug mastriano for governor in pennsylvania, tudor dixon in michigan, people who took extreme positions. tudor dixon saying for a rape victim, she can make a bond with this child that she's carrying

what came across was not simply that these were candidates who took maybe a restrictive view of abortion they took opinions that were way outside the mainstream i think there's another important piece here molly and i are kind of coming at this, which is it's not just the abortion issue these candidates that i mentioned, pennsylvania and wisconsin and in michigan, all had donald trump's endorsement not in the state supreme court race, but in these governor races, all had the touch of donald trump on them it's that combination of both things you are endorsed by donald trump, you take these positions on abortion, that does repel those kinds of swing voters or the kinds of voters, as i said, that he needs to convince, that republicans need to convince to come back to the republican party. they voted mitt romney and john mccain.

they continue to push them away from the party >> molly, help us out here if you can. try to provide some insight into the following. in amarillo, texas, you have a federal court judge, he is there for life he writes an opinion basically overturning an fda ruling of 23 years longevity that this particular pill is okay to sell. it's safe. everybody knows it's safe. he writes, according to everybody i know who knows anything about the law, enean embarrassing decision. the vast majority of republicans in the house and senate, national republicans, seemingly sit silent in the back seat of a car being driven by thelma and louise off a cliff what is going on >> i mean, they are just hoping people will forget by '24. that's the thing you see silence. the own person who a senator from mississippi who weighed in

because mississippi is very anti-choice. i think they know this is poison they know voters don't want this by the way, once you open the door to overturning fda approval on legal -- but it's not legal, it's religious grounds -- when does that end? maybe antidepressants offend me. you can do anything. it's scary eventually, there's been a lot of back and forth on this, there's other judges who have challenged this. eventually, this will tick up to the supreme court. they are so unpopular. there's so much controversy. they have to make a big decision that they don't want to make >> amy, can i ask a simple question if it's right the politics of subtraction not addition make donald trump's chances of winning the white house in the general very difficult, what overturns that scenario in your

mind let's say he is looking strong in the primary gets the nomination. the assumption is he can't win white house but -- what would the but be that might change that narrative >> this is the essential challenge, which is when you only lose the white house by essentially 42,000 votes, spread out over a handful of states, those contests in arizona and pennsylvania, wisconsin, georgia were incredibly close. you think about, you shift 40,000 votes out of millions and millions cast, that is not a heavy lift it doesn't look like that on paper. this is the reason why you see this attachment still to the strategy of trump or to the -- or the appeal of trumpism, which is he brings out a whole bunch of new voters.

the hope is that if they bring out just a few more and if just a few more of those democrats stay home, or if there are enough disincentives for those voters to turn out, maybe a third party candidate, something like this, something else on the ballot that can siphon the voters away, like we saw in 2016, the third party candidates were essential to trump's victory, that's how you win. the challenge i think for republicans is that they didn't get wiped out in 2020. even though 2022 wasn't good, it wasn't a wipeout for republicans. you need to lose by a lot in order to really get the message that this is not the correct strategy but if you always keep losing by the tiniest amount, you can justify in every election why this one will be different >> as steve kornacki showed us, the results around wisconsin,

the erosion of republican support in places where it had been strong in the last decade, especially with the supreme court election amy walter and molly jong fast, who was keeping and calling mike sir when they sat down >> that's right. >> great to see you as always. republican senator tim scott of south carolina is one step closer to launching a presidential bid we will tell you about the announce mment he made this morning. arnold schwarzenegger taking matters into his own hands we will show you what he did next

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electric to meet those requirements it's part of president biden's plan to cut america's greenhouse gas emissions in half by 2030. a texas county may shut down its public library system after a federal judge ruled dozens of banned books must be put back into circulation last month, they filed a lawsuit after commissioners pulled books from the libraries that talked about lgbtq and racial issues. a federal judge then ruled the commissioners violated the constitution county officials will discuss tomorrow whether to, quote, continue or cease operations at its three libraries. they will close the library if the book comes back. arnold swchwarzenegger got frustrated by a pothole in his neighborhood he posted this video to his twitter account yesterday. picking up a shovel and just filling the hole in himself. a spokesperson said brentwood

residents made requests for repairs. the video, he says, let's not complain, let's do something about it >> i'll be back. >> it looks like he has the terminator shades on >> listhis finest performance. tim scott is forming a presidential exploratory committee. scott now heads to iowa where declared 2024 candidate and former south carolina governor nikki haley has been holding events all week. let's bring in ali vitali. she's live in iowa where things are busy right now ali? >> reporter: yeah. the iowa campaign trail getting an influx of south carolinians former south carolina governor nikki haley has been campaigning here this is her third trip to the state. now she's going to be joined in this race or potentially joined in this race by fellow south

carolinian tim scott someone who she herself had appointed to his senate role when she was governor. now scott this morning announcing an exploratory committee for president. he has been teasing the possibility of a run for several weeks. i think what's clear coming here to iowa as scott makes his second trip here and starts hop sc hopscotching to other states is the way that iowa does feel like an open field. as much as we talk about and frankly the polls at this point bear out that trump is the man to beat in this field, in talking to voters last night at that nikki haley event, republicans do feel like it might be time to turn the page or at least entertain doing so watch some of my conversations with voters. what would your message be to trump at this point where he does have people who want to challenge him? >> it's his right to run again i have no problem with it. i supported him then

if he becomes our candidate, i will support him at this point, i'm open. >> trump has a lot of name recognition, which is his big drawing. he has had so many issues thrown at him, just so many things to battle all the time. >> i think it's time for the new generation of politicians to come up. i like nikki haley i like some of the messages of the younger generations. >> reporter: look, when you talk about that message of the next generation of republicans, that's something that nikki haley said in her announcement as she's been trying to delineate herself in some way from the former president, donald trump for tim scott, it's interesting to see what his message of delineation is when we get in the room with him this morning for an ee havent later tonight . they have to make a case against trump for why they think they are better suited for this role as this time while not over alienating the base.

it's the delicate dance all of these folks will have to do. frankly, i'm interested in seeing how it plays out, especially as we see on the ground that they might be ieage to hear if not a non-trump mes message, but maybe the same message from a new and different mess messenger. >> thank you, ali vitali it's getting interesting chicago will host the 2024 democratic national convention president biden made the announcement yesterday they beat out new york city and atlanta. it will draw 50,000 vitsitors ad provide $120 million in economic boost. they weren't shy with atlanta not being chosen the headline, say it ain't so, joe. the feature includes an opinion

piece. let's bring in someone who does not agree with the editors she's, of course, democratic senator tammy duckworth of illinois thank you so much, senator, for being with us. what would you say -- not just to the people of atlanta, but people around the table today on our show that said, maybe it should have been in a swing state, maybe it should have been in pennsylvania or michigan or wisconsin. why does chicago make more sense? >> if you are talking swing states, chicago makes the most sense. if you want to talk to the most number of swing states in 2024, you want to be in the midwest and in chicago you want to talk to wisconsin, talk to ohio, talk to michigan even missouri could potentially be in place. it makes sense that the path to the victory in 2024 for the

presidential election is the blue wall. rebuild democratic strongholds there's no stronger democratic stronghold than illinois and chicago. we are a great base from which to launch the messaging out to all of the swing states. >> senator, who tipped this choice was it organized labor as opposed to lack of organized labor in georgia or atlanta as opposed to chicago and illinois? >> it was a combination of three main things. one was the messaging piece in terms of the most number of swing state u.ss you can talk t. labor is very important. in illinois, we just passed a constitutional amendment to our state constitution last year that guarantees the right to organize as opposed to georgia that that actually is an anti-union state. when you come to chicago and you have the convention here, every facility is going to be serviced by our highly trained, hard wrking men and women of our

unions, and so certainly organized labor was a big part in terms of sending out the message that the democratic party is a party that supports working families and people who are working every day and u upholding the standards. union was definitely a big part of that, and ultimately, also, the fact is that we have the infrastructure here. the dnc is only going to be probably the third or fourth largest convention we'll hold in chicago in 2024. you can be centrally located you're not going to have to get on a bus and drive an hour and a half to a stadium. everybody can stay right downtown chicago it's going to be beautiful, 80 degrees on the lake shore, and so everything comes together for us here in the city. >> i don't argue one point about chicago and its buy tu and its acceptance of everything and anyone and being able to handle such a large event as the national convention. one of the three elements that you just mentioned as a factor is the ability to talk to other states like wisconsin close by do you really believe that has an impact having the convention in chicago on people in

wisconsin? >> oh, very much so, and because we're not just about -- talking about, you know, messaging to them illinois is already helping people from all of the -- our neighboring states for example, we are guarantee access to reproductive choice to women, not just for the women of illinois, but the women of wisconsin, the women of indiana. not just boabortion, infertilit treatments, birth control. we are already in the process of reaching out and coordinating with these neighboring states. it's why the governors of those neighboring states wrote o'letters to the president and showed their support for the convention being in illinois >> thank you for being with us and congratulations on chicago getting the dnc next year. >> thank you it's going to be a good time >> all right going to be a good time. can't wait and you know, mika recently had

a chance to pay it forward when she surprised two business owners on the kelly clarkson show some of you may have seen that with an invitation to forbes know your value second annual summit in abu dhabi. the two founder of vontel joined mika for an unparalleled networking event bravo recently spoke to the two. >> at the kelly clarkson show i couldn't believe it. i think you can see my face, my mouth was wide open. that's all i can do. i was in shock. >> yeah. >> complete shock. >> i would love to invite you both, i will give you tickets to be my guest at the 30/50 summit in abu dhabi. >> when you got off the plane, you checked in and had that first b event at the summit, what was it like

>> it was impressionable i mean, you had all these women, 30 in the 30, 50 over 50 who were millionaires. they started their own business, and they saw it through, and mika's there telling you know your value, chase the money. you know, go for it, start your business get the support. so we were sitting there like that's what we've been doing, but to see so many other women doing it and succeeding, i think that really took us by like -- it was just amazing for us. >> what were some of the lessons you're going to take with you? >> definitely the know your value is very key, and billie jean king said a lot of men know how to operate in business, but women tend to hold back, and don't be afraid to go after the money. that was key and there are times that we don't value ourselves enough, and we don't think we're enough as women we get imposter syndrome, and you should know that you are

enough, and if you feel that you can -- if you have five or six of those attributes out of the ten, go for it go for it even if you don't because you just never know. >> so how do you think vontel is going to change that status quo of not having a lot of diversity in this field? >> well, the purpose is having representation, right? we need to make sure that you have black eye wear owners, manufacturers, designers, and when we went to paris for our first trip to kind of look at the landscape and we walked four football fields of eye wear, there was no one there that looked like us who owned and operated an eye wear company we realized that we can create better fitting eye wear, and then once we started the process we realized it wasn't just for us >> yeah, it's a multiethnic audience that we're targeting. the feedback has been amazing. it's better than we had ever anticipated because we didn't realize we were going to be able

to touch so many lives. >> and you can watch that entire interview at knowyourvalue.com and tune in to the kelly clarkson show tomorrow when mika will be back on the show joined by the vontel founders really, just fascinating, great story there, and you work in this space and you talk about the importance of confidence you and mika both have noticed a real change over the past five, ten years of women especially coming into the work force having the confidence that maybe others haven't in the past. >> yeah, i do think, you know, younger women are learning the lesson of know your value, that they have value. they're not there by the grace and favor of their employees they're there because they're good, their voices are needed. what i love about the work that mika's doing in the space i'm in, you give them the voice to speak up they have the talents, they have the skills, they have the

competence it's just we need to hear their voices >> maybe you and me and barnicle, we can go across america, go across the fruited plains, and we can have a convention to help trump supporters not weep so much. i'm very concerned about the crying he says goes on there we can regale them with tales like we did this morning of our very colorful past. >> that was, again, we're not proud of a lot of that stuff from '76 to '82, there was a lot going on in new york city. it was a dark period. >> a lot >> i would like to end by saying to mike barnicle, like president xi, you've got the look, you've got the brain, you've got the whole thing, hollywood can't even do it that's you mike barnicle. >> thank you, sir, sir, thank you. i appreciate it. >> all right on that note, that does it for us this morning, anna cabrera picks up the coverage after a quick final break.

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