don't think the judge is going to grant a continuance, especially one as modest as this, four weeks i think this is another difficult hurdle for mr. tacopina, i think this trial will go forward very soon. >> in just a few seconds, phil rutger, one of the other things donald trump said to tucker carlson is no matter what's happening to him legally, even if he's convicted, he would not drop out of the race. >> yeah, and he went on to say dropping out is not something he ever does, so we'll see if he sticks to that and there may be additional charges, of course, in the months ahead from the federal investigations >> exactly that does it for us. thanks to both of you. remember, follow the show online on facebook and on twitter @mitchell reports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. ♪ good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. today republicans' prospects for 2024 may hinge on a simple

question with massive political and cultural implications. can you win if the majority of the country thinks you're wrong on the biggest issues of the day? we'll go live to iowa where some republicans will likely have to test that theory plus, we'll show you the body cam footage of monday's shooting in louisville that the police chief says shook her to her core for the doctor who treated those officers and other victims, outrage has given way to exhaustion >> for 15 years i've cared for victims of violence and gunshot wounds, and people say i'm tired, but it's more than tired. i'm weary. >> that doctor will join me live in just a few minutes. and we're live in memphis where the only member of the tennessee three still out of the job is set to lead a march through the city the vote that could send him back to the legislature is potentially happening within the next couple of hours but we start with the republican presidential field about to get bigger just as the

number of winnable issues appears to be growing smaller. ing right now in iowa, tim scott, who has just announced an exploratory committee, and nikki haley, both ramping up their presidential campaigns while simultaneously trying to navigate the challenges that threaten their party's prospects in 2024, abortion, guns, and former president donald trump. and in case any of this challengers think trump might be forced out of the race he told tucker carlson that won't happen. >> is there anything they could throw at you legally to convince you to drop out of the race? >> no, i'd never drop out. it's not my thing. i wouldn't do it. at the same time, you've got the ongoing fight over access to the abortion pill, widespread emotion over the shootings in nashville and louisville republicans see the polls so they know the party is out of step with what the majority of

the country says it wants. i want to bring in nbc's ali vitali who's on the road in iowa, charlie sykes is editor at large for the bulwark, and an msnbc contributor. some republicans are trying to sound the alarm. congresswoman nancy mace said earlier this week that what her party is missing comes down to compassion and common sense, but why aren't we hearing that more from more republicans? >> well, because they're trapped by their base. i talked to some legislators here in wisconsin after the supreme court election last week, and they're really concerned, they said, unless we get the abortion issue right, we're never going to win a statewide election but every time they try to come up with a compromise solution or even something modest like accepting cases of rape and incest, they push back against a very militant base that has decided that they want it all right now, that they want to be at ramming speed and in the states where they have super majorities, there is that cry, you know, if not now,

then when? if we have the majority, we should use it to push the purest possible piece of legislation. so what you have is a republican party that once again is captive to its own base and the special interest groups that seem to be pulling it further is and further away from where the majority of voters in a general election might be on these issues >> allie, you were at a nikki haley event last night, tim scott's event today. i want to talk about tim scott first. what did you hear? how is he making his case as an almost announced candidate >> reporter: he's not officially in this race yet it's basically as close as you're going to get to a presidential announcement until he makes the official one forming that exploratory committee, and allowing him to test the waters here in iowa as he has been stoking that speculation across the country, he goes to iowa today and then of course to new hampshire and back to his home state of south carolina to round out the week now, i'd love to tell you what

his event here was today he did a round table inside, but it was closed to press the focus, though, was on education and parents' ability to have better insight into what's going on in the classroom. i do think that the way that you frame this conversation, chris, is so important because the conversations that we're hearing on the campaign trail both on the tim scott side of things as well as the nikki haley side of things, other campaign events and candidates i've been tracking in addition to being on capitol hill, the conversations are flying past each other the focus, yes, for many is on abortion and gun violence prevention, but on the republican side, the conversation is focusing much more on countering joe biden, focusing on crime, focusing on the economy. it really does remind me of the midterm elections that we just went through and the repeated conversations that we had about the abortion issue, about the way that it was galvanizing voters, and about how in many ways, republicans are sort of the dog that caught the car on this issue, and now in the way that charlie said it are beholden to their base and the

most extreme views on how they should push forward on that issue, despite the fact they're out of step with the mostly six in ten americans that say abortion should be legal in all or most cases. >> it would seem that one of the complications of that strategy, allie is that you're not running against joe biden yet. you've got some people you've got to get past first and foremost, obviously, if you look at the polls is former president donald trump i want to play part of what nikki haley said last night about her path forward i know you were there. >> you're not going to see me come in and do a rally and leave. we have been here multiple times. we are going to shake every hand we're going to talk to every person we're not taking any shortcuts we are going to make sure we do whatever it takes to earn your support. and i hope that that will make a difference with all of you because not everybody's doing that, but we're going to make a point to do that and do it right. >> not everybody's doing that. i wonder who she could be talking about. but look, if she isn't going to name trump by name, it does raise the question if you aren't

willing to even say trump, how are you going to beat him? >> yeah, i think that's really the open question for everyone who's in this field right now. for people like nikki haley and if mike pompeo gets in, if and when mike pence gets in, all of these former members of the administration from trump are going to have to figure out how to contend with him. ron desantis realized you're damned if you do, damned if you don't go after the former president. you're never going to out trump him. he wouldn't know anything about how to pay off porn stars in light of the stormy daniels allegations. he also saw the swiftness when he didn't come to trump's defense. i think many of them are learning that lesson, they are the benefit of hindsight in that everyone here has watched the way that trump went after the 2015 primary field later in 2016 as well, but it hasn't necessarily manifested in any of them taking him on directly. the only person i think who wants to occupy that lane who's officially in is former arkansas governor asa hutchinson.

the other people who are sort of on the periphery of this are people like new hampshire governor chris sununu, potentially former new jersey governor chris christie. those names are not officially in the mix yet when you look at the folks who are, nikki haley, potentially tim scott and others, they're not going at the former president directly, and they have to do that delicate dance of not alienating his base, but also still being able to delineate why they're running against the guy who all the polls have at the top of it right now and who many of them worked for or previous lily endorsed them. >> you worked on the ground, jennifer paul mary who joins us now, back in the day when we were a little bit younger, and maybe had a little bit more energy. >> killing it, though, chris. >> had more energy, we were out in ohio. >> two-hour show, you are killing it. >> thank you but seriously, i mean, i'm trying to figure out how you can win a primary against donald trump if you're not going to go after donald trump, but if you're asa hutchinson, how do you get that traction by being willing to do it

do you have to be louder do you have to be meaner >> it sort of suggests that maybe it can't be done, doesn't it on the one hand, if you look at what nikki haley and tim scott are doing it makes sense it is april, okay? you have -- we're not -- the iowa caucuses are not until early february, so to come out of the gate attacking an opponent is not a great way to introduce yourself to voters, particularly in iowa, okay? so on the one hand this makes sense, do the veiled attack like nikki haley is doing tim scott, republicans in d.c., the never trump republicans in d.c., they would love to see him do well. they have hopes. sometimes what happens, what works out in d.c. doesn't work out in iowa, we'll see, but i understand why they don't want to go after the big opponent yet. but trump isn't just any opponent, right? he has been the leader of the republican party now for eight years. so if you are not -- if you are trying to -- you can't let

him -- even before the indictment, there were polls that had him at 54 -- leading the republican primary at 54%, being over 50 is a very big deal so if you are not willing to take him on now, it could just be that everything is solidifying in the republican base, and it may be too late i understand why they are loathe to go have the first thing iowa voters hear about these candidates is hey, i'm attacking donald trump, but you can't let him get any more powerful in the republican primary than he already is. >> but can you say -- can you appeal to them by saying this is what differentiates us, and this is why he's dangerous and i'm not, and i want to point particularly to something donald trump said last night about leaders who are autocrats. take a listen. >> president xi is a brilliant man. if you went all over hollywood to look for somebody to play the

role of president xi, you couldn't find them there's nobody like that the look, the brain, the whole thing. how smart is kim jong-un top of the line. people say, oh, this and that, really smart he took over a country of very smart people, very, very energetic people, very tough people at a very young age, and he has total dominant control. that's not easy. these are very smart -- putin, very smart. >> so for somebody like say nikki haley who served as the u.n. ambassador, couldn't she go in and say, listen, xi is not a nice guy kim jong-un is not a nice guy, vladimir putin has invaded ukraine. isn't that an opening? >> yes, it is an opening and how scary to be so just even the admiring language that trump was using, talking about xi's appearance and how he looks and how he -- like the bearing that he has, right?

it's really distressing. so yes, she should, but there was an opening for her here's what happened, she would do that and then it would be she is running against trump overtly running against trump, and then they would all -- his people, his supporters would circle around her and i think they -- you know, the concern is that they would kill her. they would kill her off. so these newly -- these in opponents, haley, tim scott, possibly mike pence, they're all kind of playing around this language like we have better choices. it's time to move on, nikki haley talks about a new generation that -- you know, you can get away with saying that in april and maybe may, but get to june, if you're not taking him on in a real way -- and you can do it -- you can talk about how it's just time we keep losing with him, and thanking mr. president, it's time to move on, but right now in the last -- you know, from the beginning of 2023 until now, he's only gotten stronger, more

popular in the republican primary. >> jennifer palmieri, charlie sykes, ali vitali the on the road in iowa. thank you all so much. a rally getting started right now in tennessee as one expelled lawmaker faces a key vote that could put him back on the job in just an hour or so. we're live in memphis in 60 seconds. are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh waaaay longer than detergent alone. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters.

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reinstated, and justin pearson is about to lead supporters to his own reinstatement vote nbc's blayne alexander is live in memphis i'm also joined by kimberly atkins stohr, columnist for the boston globe and an msnbc political contributor. blayne, it looks energetic what is the feeling there on the ground, and when might we expect a vote >> reporter: well, chris, any minute now we're going to see all of those people that you see gathered right there, we're going to see them march the mile or so from the national civil rights museum right here to the shelby county commission building i talked with a couple of commissioners who are going to be inside making those votes they expect this to pass they expect pearson to be reinstated to his position you know, it takes seven of the 13 commissioners to send him back to nashville, and already a few have said that they plan on supporting him but what's notable really about all of this is he's getting a great deal of external support as well. we know that in addition to ousted representative pearson, the newly reinstated representative jones is headed there to stand by him as well as

well as representative johnson, so the so-called tennessee three. we heard from representative johnson just a little bit ago, why she said she made the drive from nashville here, and why she said this was happening today is so crucial take a look at what she had to say. >> i want people to understand that we need justin pearson's voice in the house it's such a strong and powerful voice, an advocate for the people of his community and that, you know, we need representation from every district in this state this district is as important as any other district in the state. >> reporter: so chris, remember right now all eyes are on this commission building here behind me that's where we expect that vote to get underway not too long from now will there is a position for public comment. we expect that chamber to be filled with protesters or with supporters rather of pearson's and we'll certainly watch to see what we hear from them

one final note, pearson has been speaking out himself he actually published an op-ed in the "new york times" earlier today where he made it clear that he wants to continue to fight for his people whether in or out of office >> blayne alexander, thank you you can see pearson in that shot, and we don't have control of that camera, by the way, but kimberly, let me ask you about this, we talk about people having their 15 minutes of fame. you might have said that of pearson and jones. we could also say people's interests last about 15 seconds these days because the news moves so fast. what does it say that almost a week later there is still such intense feeling about what's happening there, not just there, by the way, but in a lot of parts of the country >> i think, chris, it's the intersection of two big issues that americans care very much about. one is gun violence and what we have seen play out time and time again to the point that even the republican governor in tennessee now is calling for some sort of action on legislation to help control this issue, and also,

democracy, we're seeing three people expelled for doing exactly what their constituents sent them to the state house to do and how antidemocratic that is coming off of everything we've seen over the last couple of years those two things are untenable, and i think that's why instantly you see this i'm not seeing this so much as justin pearson seeking his 15 minutes. i'm seeing him seizing on something that has galvanized people there in tennessee and it's something that he cares deeply about and so do his constituents, and i think that's why this has created this firestorm. >> i think you're right about the galvanization again. this is something that has really caught hold, but it's far from over. let's say both of them are back in the state house now they're talking about some republican lawmakers saying they're going to vote against funding in those areas they represent if they're back in that seat. i mean, what is the strategic reason, even in a red state, to

make a decision like that? >> i think what we're seeing, this galvanization over these issues are bumping up against something that is intrinsic in politics there in tennessee and in a lot of places in america where there was, you know, bitter partisanship, where there was retribution against seeing -- someone seen to be flouting the rules or going up against leadership or the power sources. so i think that's still at play there, but i think that that's moving against the tide of public opinion where i think increasingly people on both sides of the aisle are recognizing that their constituents care about gun violence they want their children to be able to go to school without fear of dying. they want their loved ones to go to work without fear of being killed by a co-worker, that this has reached such a critical point that i think those who are still playing those old political games of retribution can find themselves on the wrong side of history at this moment. >> kimberly atkins stohr, we're going to continue to watch this closely. it's great to have you here on set, appreciate you coming over

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new body camera footage is giving us chilling insight into the tragic mass shooting that

left five people dead at a louisville bank on monday. this video which has been blurred and edited shows two officers racing toward the gunman hidden inside the old national bank. officials say he was in an ambush position shooting at the officers from behind the glass before they were able to eventually take him out. here's the interim police chief talking about that moment. >> what was it like to watch that body camera video >> it really shakes the core it shakes the core to know that life was being lost. >> nbc's morgan chesky is on the ground there in louisville where does the investigation stand right now, morgan, and what more do we know about the five people who were killed on monday >> reporter: yeah, chris, the investigation remains incredibly active we do know this scene has been completely processed by police here at old national bank. they're still calling on the public to provide them with any leads that could potentially help them learn more about this. obviously that body cam that was

released late yesterday gives incredible insight as do new surveillance images of the sha shooter inside that building we anticipate hearing 911 calls providing a clear time line into some of the actions the shooter took later today, but those have yet to be released as for those five victims who are now commemorated with five crosses here outside the building, we are learning more about them i'd like to share that with you. we know that there was james tutt, who had just celebrated his 64th birthday. people who knew him called him a finance genius with a heart of gold 63-year-old thomas elliot, whom governor andy beshear acknowledged as a personal friend and who was a mentor to many and there was 40-year-old joshua barrick, husband, father of two, described as an active church member, and there was also deana eckert, a 57-year-old and 45-year-old juliana farmer she had only been on the job at the bank here for just three weeks and had actually moved

closer to louisville to be near her grandchildren and her daughter and take a listen to her family member sharing their thoughts. >> i know there's different sides of grief, but my grief is that i can't hear her voice anymore. i can't touch her. i can't tell her how much i love her and how i'm just thankful she's in my life >> reporter: a vigil will be held community-wide at 5:00 p.m. this evening, chris. hundreds, if not more, are expected to honor those lives lost i should note that overnight the family of the shooter released a statement to nbc news acknowledging ongoing mental issues that they were trying to help him work through, but they had no idea that he would take -- have this horrific

action take place. chris. >> morgan chesky, thank you for that i want to bring in dr. jason smith, chief medical officer for university of louisville health and the lead doctor treating the three victims still hospitalized including officer nickolas wilt. doctor, thank you so much. i know you're very busy at this hour can you give us an update on those who are still recovering at your hospital today >> so there's really no change in their condition officer wilt remains in critical condition in our icu, and the other two people are still being treated in our hospital. >> while taking care of those bank shooting victims, your hospital also had to respond to more gun violence at the local community college, and you said at this press conference this was not an infrequent day for you. tell us what you see day-to-day in your hospital >> i think that's the message that needs to get out is that, you know, this was a horrific event and a tragedy. my heart absolutely goes out to the people that were affected by

this, but this is also, you know, an everyday event in our community. it's an everyday event in communities around this country that is taking a toll on the people that are responding to these. it's taking a toll on the people that are trying to care for these patients that are coming through the door it's taking a toll on the police and the fire that are trying to evacuate them from the scenes or from scenes of other gun violence or interpersonal violence that, you know, you can't just say it's the people involved in the shooting because it's tearing apart a lot of different folks that are trying to do their best to hold together the communities that we're serving. >> can i ask you for you and the many other doctors all around the country who are dealing up close with this epidemic of gun violence, do you worry for your colleagues near and far about the emotional, the mental toll this has taken do you ever go home at night and think i don't know how i go back

again tomorrow >> i absolutely, you know, have had multiple conversations over the last few days with colleagues and you know, nurses and physicians and surgeons around the country simply reaching out and saying, you know, thank you for saying that. we're all feeling that, thank you for being, you know, kind of a raw emotional response because we're all having that type of response i do worry i worry that, you know, after all the things that happened with the pandemic that this wave of gun violence across our country is going to take further toll on a health care industry that is already, you know, at a tipping point regarding what we're going to have to do in the future to care for the people in our communities. >> at some point there are going to be so many people who have been touched by gun violence, and we already know it's extensive. they're going to demand answers. you made an emotional plea yesterday saying we can't keep doing what we're doing

you're not a politician, i'm not asking you a political question, but if you could say something to the people who are crafting policy right now who don't see what you see every day, who don't have to talk to mothers like the mother we just heard with more gone chesky who says i will never be able to hear my child's voice again or touch her, you're the one who has to say the family members are not coming home, so what's your message? >> i think my message to them is, you know, begin the discussions, you know, begin the discussions beyond the rhetoric that we keep hearing you know, we have been stalled and unable to do things. it's a complicated problem it's not going to have simple solutions, but if we don't start bringing in people that want to try and make this better, that want to try and effect a solution, whatever that solution is, then we're never going to get anywhere we are never going to be different than what we're seeing today.

so we have to ask them to do something, help us, help the communities that are suffering find a way to help us end this cycle that we are currently caught in because if we don't, i worry for what's going to happen with the providers, the ems, the law enforcement. in the next few years if this continues in the pace it is continuing in. >> can i ask you finally, you know, one of the things that always we hear -- and i've covered many mass shootings -- is that many of the first responders know the people who are in danger. they're often seeing people die who they knew or they knew their families was that the case for the folks in your hospital who were called on to treat these victims? >> there were many people in our health care system that knew people affected by this tragedy. you know, we work very closely with our police and fire here within the community, so anytime one of them is affected by this, it hurtsall of us.

we're a small town, big city and we know that the folks here knew a lot of people in our institutions, institutions around louisville. many of them were trying to do more to make louisville a better place, and so it's a loss for all of us. it's a loss obviously for the families and the tragedy that they're suffering, bnut it's a loss for our community that the individuals that were taken from us are not going to be there to do the next steps that they were trying to do in our community. >> dr. jason smith, we are aware that all of the people who are in your profession have come through a pandemic and now are dealing with another epidemic of gun violence, and we thank you for taking the time and for your bravery in speaking about it we're thinking about all of you there, and we appreciate you talking to us today. >> thank you very much for having me. and there is a march underway right now in memphis that was precipitated initially by the shooting in nashville

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they were doing something harmless >> new york alone is set to get nearly $113 million over eight years. also new this hour, another surprise trip to kyiv, a bipartisan group of u.s. senators led by joe manchin and including senators lisa murkowski and mark kelly, you see them there, focused on continuing u.s. aid to ukraine, but this visit comes as the u.s. works to reassure ukrainian officials after classified documents leaked revealing possible weak links in ukraine's fight against russian aggression joining me now from kyiv is msnbc foreign correspondent matt bradley, since those documents leaked matt, secretary of state antony blinken i know has talked with ukraine's foreign minister. what can you tell us about the damage control and any indications of whether it's working? >> reporter: i mean, we're starting to hear more and more reaction from here in kyiv this is kind of trickling out as all those revelations from those leaked documents have been

trickling out, and we're starting to hear actually kind of a shift in tone from the leadership here in kyiv. you know, back last thursday when we first heard that from "the new york times," those first documents, they immediately dismissed them and said this is just russian propaganda this is just cooking the books, but now as we started to see more and more and especially since we started to see more and more revelations coming out with regard to u.s. intelligence gathering much further afield from just ukraine in places like israel and south korea, it looks less and less like something that was just cooked up by the kremlin, and the latest we heard today was from the ukrainian minister of defense. he said, okay, that some of this is true. some of this is false, but the things that are true are out of date, referencing, of course, that most of this is about six weeks old. now, chris, i would add a third category to that a lot of these revelations that we've seen from these leaked documents aren't necessarily -- some of them are false, some of them are out of date, but some of them simply aren't that much

revelations at all a lot of these things were either stated publicly in the past, the recent past by some of the top brass here in kyiv, or they were things that you could simply glean from observing the situation on the battlefield for example, it was pretty much public information when we were speaking to some of the top leadership here in ukraine that this spring offensive, this much he re heralded offensive armed with sophisticated weapons from the west that ukrainians say could push back the russians this is not going to be a cake walk, and that's one of the things we just heard from some of these pentagon leaked documents. also, you know, we heard from officials here in kyiv in just the past couple of weeks that their efforts to try to recruit new soldiers, train them and send them to the front lines have been very challenging, and we just saw proof of that just in the past 24 hours the ukrainian government actually tightened up their regulations when it comes to recruiting and conscripting new soldiers just as the russians are doing the same all of this points to the fact

that this is not going to be that easy. we didn't need these pentagon leaks to tell us that. chris. >> matt bradley, thank you for that. also today, the top hostage negotiator for the u.s. government says russia needs to let embassy officials in moscow in to see detained wall street journal reporter evan gersh gershkovich. this morning roger carsons also told nbc he will visit gershkovich's family in the coming days. >> typically when a family is designated as a wrongful detainee or an american is rather, we move to wherever they're located in the united states or, frankly, around the world and spend time in their living room talking to the family, giving them a sense of how we plan to progress to partner with the family and pursue the release of their loved one. >> joining me now nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell. russia's refusal to allow a visit is a violation of a bilateral agreement. what is the administration saying about russia's actions and what's their plan?

what are they going to do about it >> they have been arguing day after day at the embassy level, and thousand secretary blinken going public and saying that russia was violating its obligation, its legal obligation to permit a consular visit the agreement, it's a 1964 agreement, i believe, reratified in 1968. i may have those dates off it's been in place for decades it's an agreement that says within four days they're supposed to permit a timely visit. he's had no access to anyone from the embassy this is something the embassy officials have been calling for, his family has been calling for, "the wall street journal" has been calling for he has had i believe one visit with his lawyers, maybe one or more he's been held now for more than two weeks, and brittney griner we should point out went a month before she was finally granted a visit from the embassy officials. so that is something that has been very much in play and just a week and a half ago already,

secretary blinken spoken to foreign minister lavrov, sergey lavrov and requested this consular access, and it still has not happened. >> andrea mitchell, thank you so much for that update appreciate it. the d.c. versus new york showdown over former president donald trump's prosecution should federal lawmakers be getting involved in local legal fights and we're keeping an eye on that march in memphis with a major vote to reinstate state representative justin pearson set to begin less than an hour from now stay with us

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