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shelby county commission just voted to send justin pearson back to the tennessee state house. his colleague justin jones was reinstated monday. both were protesting for gun reform after three kids and three school staffers were shot and killed by someone who legally bought the weapons and used them to murder school children and teachers. and both lawmakers were expelled from the state government for speaking out republicans said it was because they lacked decorum on the house floor. the backlash to the gop decision has been so intense, it's only helped to fuel the debate on guns in tennessee. and now the southern states governor is actually pushing for some gun reform. governor bill lee signed an executive order on tuesday, strengthening background checks, and he's now calling for gop state lawmakers, the same ones who expelled pearson and jones to pass a red flag law let's first listen to justin

pearson. >> guilty of not expanding health care. guilty of not giving us educational resources. guilty, guilty, guilty so for you guilty people, we going to build this movement we going to build this movement. and we going to build this movement we going to build this movement. you and you and you and you and you. we going to build this movement because we are convinced there's a different vision shelby county there's a different vision for tennessee. there's a different vision for the south. there's a different vision for these united states of america

i believe it's a vision. coming to the well i believe in the vision of the people who have been marching, coming to the well i believe, i believe it is a vision, of people who have been ostracized, coming to the well white folk and black folk, i see queer folk and straight folk i see rich folk and poor folk. demanding justice right now. not tomorrow, but right now. justice right now. it is this movement that's going to change this country it's this movement in this moment in time that's going to change the country and i'm so glad, oh, i'm so glad, yes, i'm glad. i'm so glad.

yeah, yeah, i'm so glad. i'm so glad. i'm so glad. i'm so glad. are you glad >> it is a celebration, clearly on the steps there in shelby county the shelby county commission just voted back justin pearson to the tennessee state house again, he is the second person the other expelled representative to be voted back into the state house justin jones was voted back on monday again, this is already meaning change down there in tennessee part of what we have been seeing all of this uproar over these expulsions, protests in support of these two men, but also the protests for gun reform now means that the governor of tennessee has signed an

executive order expanding background checks. he's also calling for red flag laws justin jones spoke to my colleague andrea mitchell a little bit earlier today about that >> the governor will not be taking this step forward without the actions and the demands of young people showing up at the cap capitol by the thousands this is the first step i talked to the chief of staff, we want continued negotiations to get a ban on assault weapons, a ban on high capacity magazines, universal background checks there are many steps we need to take to make sure our students are protected in the schools and the community as a whole the medication for the governor is this is a good step forward there's much more work to do this is the beginning and should not be the end of our negotiations. >> joining me is catie beck, and editor and chief, holly mccal, thank you so much for being here let's talk about this vote it just happened pearson is now back in the tennessee state house.

you're there talk to me about it. >> reporter: well, this vote, just to be clear there are 13 commissioners that sit on the shelby county commission there were seven of them, a unanimous decision, all democrats that voted pearson to be reinstated. the other four republicans that are on this commission did not show up today, and two other democrats happened to be out of the country, so you needed a simple majority, you certainly had that, and i think that going into the meeting today there was a high level of confidence this was going to be their decision but just to sort of put some perspective on the issue, there were four republicans who stayed home from this vote today. the goal now, i think, there's a lot of excitement, a lot of momentum as you can see, a crowd of 300 or so has gathered behind me these folks started with pearson earlier today at the civil rights museum, and marched here just ahead of this meeting the commissioners we spoke to said they wanted this to be an expeditious decision yesterday and the day before and nashville

putting jones back took less than five minutes, and these commissioners said it was their goal today to beat that number they wanted this to happen quickly. before they even took public comment, they sat down and took that vote decisively, deciding that he would be sent back to the state house. now, keep in mind, this is a temporary reassignment, an interim level basis. they are going to have to both now face a special election in coming months to keep that seat. and they will both be tomorrow back on the floor of the tennessee house. it will be the first open floor session since this reinstatement. it will be interesting to see the reaction from republicans tomorrow >> it will definitely be interesting. ho holly talk about how big of a story this has been in tennessee. >> reporter: clearly one of the biggest stories tennessee has had in years in terms of politics it was three weeks ago monday that we experienced a tragic mass shooting at covenant school it's been less than a week since young legislatures were

expelled we have had national media descend on the state, and i will say i believe that justin jones was right, when he said no action would have been taken on safe gun laws, if the shooting happened and further more, if these lawmakers had not broken, quote, protocol to get on the house floor, that is what started all of this action >> all right let me ask you also about the expecte expectation of what's going to happen, the governor signing the executive order, pushing the legislature for red flag laws. those did not exist two weeks ago in the state would they have happened, would these pushes have happened, without the expulsion of these two representatives, did that keep this story in the news enough to force some change? >> oh, absolutely. the speaker of the house had only stripped these members of their committee assignments or offered official censure, things

would be status quo here now the governor has signed this executive order on background checks but i will tell you, i don't think this legislation he's pushing on the red flag laws is going to pass. i will fly to new york and buy you lunch if it does, but the tennessee firearms association, the state wing of the national rifle association has already put out a very strongly worded letter today, and the governor has not worked his legislature the way some governors have in the past i don't think that legislation is going to pass >> well, let's listen to bill lee on that legislation. here's what he said yesterday after he signed that executive order. >> this is not just about school shootings. this legislation would impact the broader community, and it would impact people who are a danger to the broader community, not just to schools and children situations like what happened in

kentucky yesterday might be averted by a piece of legislation that we're talking about delivering today >> some time obviously before the next election cycle and there's always room for this to fall into the background we are seeing these mass shootings so often now i wonder, you said the national rifle association is getting involved i wonder if there's been a change in the appetite among the average tennessee voter about what they want from their state house and what they want on guns >> you know, there are a number of national and statewide polls that show that most tennesseans and most americans do favor common sense gun measures like enhanced background checks, red flag laws. those are the bear minimum i don't know that we will still see a lot of turnover in the next election cycle in 2024 in some of these state house seats. i think we'll probably only see a shift of a few seats if we have some decent

democratic candidates, strong democratic candidates who run on this, we might be able to pick off a few seats here the big change is likely to come in ten years when some of the young voters who know nothing about mass shooter drills when they are able to vote and participate in civic life. >> i wonder how many more we'll experience in ten years before the voters get in there. holly, thank you very much for joining us i appreciate it. and stay with us because we're going to be joined by mick o lowry, the chairman who called the vote on pearson, he's going to explain what happened today and what message he hopes to send we'll be looking ahead to 2024 another major announcement today in the republican party and another major dig at the front runner what tim scott is telling voters and what nikki haley is telling donors first, though we're going to stay on guns as we said, louisville police released the body cam footage from the massacre, when a person legally bought a gun and killed

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is killed. it is tough to watch, but here's nbc's morgan chesky breaking it down >> reporter: intense new police body cam video captures two louisville officers rushing toward the gunman, hidden inside old national bank. one bullet grazing officer cory galloway, who scrambled to take cover and return fire. after his rookie partner, nickolas wilt was shot in the head >> i think i got him down. i think he's down. >> reporter: authorities say the suspect, connor sturgeon was in an ambush position, shooting from behind the lobby's reflective grass until officer galloway fired the fatal shot. >> suspect down, get the officer. >> reporter: these new images show the shooter inside the bank, armed with an ar-15, investigators say he purchased legally less than a week earlier from a louisville gun store. officials say sturgeon waited

for police, shooting at bystanders before striking officer wilt who remains in critical, but stable condition >> joining me from louisville right now is nbc news correspondent morgan chesky. i understand that we got a statement from the family of the shooter. what have they said? >> reporter: they released that statement overnight to nbc and in it they acknowledged they could have never con soceived tr 25-year-old son could be capable of this act of violence that took multiple lives, and acknowledged that connor sturgeon was going through multiple mental issues and the family said that they were trying to help him work through some of those problems, but they had no idea that it would have led to the shooting that took place here at old national bank on monday morning. catie. >> reporter: what are you hearing about the latest about the families of the victims? what are they saying today

what's been the reaction >> reporter: there's a vigil to honor the five lives lost here at 5:00 in louisville. we have only heard bits and pieces about those lives lost, i will tell you that just in the last few minutes, we have had a chance to listen and hear some of the 911 calls made when the shooting took place. one of those calls made, catie was a woman who identified herself as the mother of the shooter. and i should just share with you that in this call recorded with dispatch, this woman said that i don't know what i need to do i need your help i don't think he, referring to her son, would ever hurt anyone. he's a really good kid going on to say we don't even own guns, i don't know where he would have gotten a gun. we have since learned that the gunman purchased that ar-15 legally on april 4th from a louisville gun dealer, and so these new details paint an even

more grim picture of what took place. >> it's really just awful and you feel for the family as well. morgan chesky, thank you, and joining me now is the president of brady, the gun violence prevention group, chris brown. thanks for being with us i hate having you on because whenever i have you on, it's about something horrible, and here we are again today. we were going to have you on yesterday. we ended up having the mayor of louisville and there was something that struck you that we want to drill down on first let me play a little bit from that interview, and the mayor talking about how little control he has over gun laws just in his city. >> give us local autonomy over how we can reduce the amount of violent crime in our city. right now we do not have that option under kentucky state law. in fact, i would be a criminal if i took action against guns

and against cracking down on illegal guns under any law that's ludicrous, and that's dangerous. all i'm asking for is local autonomy to make local decisions about local issues. >> explain why that -- why you want to talk more about that >> what he's talking about is a allow that kentucky actually enacted about two weeks ago, catie. it's called a second amendment sanctuary law, the nra, the national rifle association has been pushing those laws in many states across the country. kentucky is but one example. it's an unconstitutional law in fact, states and localities that have passed these laws have gone to court over it. and we've won those cases. but it is nevertheless law right now, and what it says is that law enforcement in the state of kentucky or other elected

represent representatives like the mayor of louisville cannot actually force the gun violence prevention laws already on the books, and granted, kentucky doesn't have a whole lot, but some of them that they do have, catie, are things like child access protection laws that make it unlawful for people to unsafely store their guns in their homes. this law that was passed basically says the mayor and law enforcement can't take any action to enforce the small paltry amount of laws kentuckians already have on the books, that they have dually and appropriately passed so this is a dangerous kind of dystopian universe we live in with the nra pushing laws passed by states to stop the enforcement of, as he said, authority by localities about what kind of world they want to live in. >> you know, i ask this of everybody that comes on, how do we stop this

what's the solution here and when i'm talking to lawmakers, generally it's kind of a shrug, depending on who i'm talking to specifically. yesterday in talking to the mayor, he kept saying something. what is that something what can be done to fix this problem of gun violence, this epidemic >> catie, it's a good question, and i want to offer people hope here because there's so much pain and devastation that we're experiencing with any epidemic, we have three areas of solutions, policy is very important, enforcement is very important, and how we interact with each other, community-based programs are very important what i would love to see is the governor of kentucky calling a special session, asking for the legislature to come back and pass an extreme risk protection law, and make clear in doing

that that none of those laws, that law or any other, passed in kentucky has any impediment to enforcement because of this second amendment sanctuary law we don't have all of the details yet, but you were just reporting about the anguish of the shooter's family here. we don't know much, catie, but we do think here at brady that an extreme risk protection law, if it had been in effect in a state like kentucky could have made a difference here, as it does in so many other cases just like this. so we'd like to see that happen immediately, and that would be one positive step to try to combat the next horrible incidence of gun violence that could happen >> just to be clear, there were no background checks required when the shooter went to buy a gun last week. his family said they don't even own guns he got one last week, and there was nothing currently in place

at the time in kentucky to stop him from doing so. kris, thanks for being on with us i'm sure i'll see you again soon, although, i like you a lot, but i'd rather not have you on to talk about this any longer appreciate your time. >> me too. thank you. and joining me now is tennessee shelby county commissioner who called the special meeting to reappoint justin pearson we're talking about these two spralt s separate stories but they're the same story, all about gun violence, reinstating justin pearson and justin jones after they were expelled from the tennessee state house is because they were protesting gun violence they were protesting gun violence after three kids and three staffers at a christian school were shot and killed by a person who legally obtained an assault rifle and decided they wanted to go kill people inside of a school. that's why this all -- that's why we're talking about this story right now. tell me about what it means for

the shelby county commission to vote justin pearson back in. what does it mean for this debate, this argument we're all having about guns? >> this signals that this discussion needs to continue you're exactly right there's an expulsion made based on a decorum issue i understand that the state felt they had the decision to make, but i'm proud that we sent representative justin pearson back to the state legislature today. this conversation needs to continue we have to do something different in our community, especially in the state of tennessee as it relates to gun violence. >> what do you think you guys can actually get done? bill lee signed an executive order expanding background checks he's talking about pushing for a red flag law i just had a reporter from tennessee who said it's very unlikely that's going to happen, given the make up of the tennessee state house. what do you think can happen

going forward? >> we have to keep trying, we need to do a lot more. we're lowering the age of carry in the state of tennessee to the age of 18. that's ridiculous. we have to do more to protect our children gun laws in the state of tennessee are virtually becoming nonexistent. so we have to do more. hopefully that gets passed in the state house, and we'll have to wait and see. >> let me ask you about the absent members of the shelby county commission who didn't show up today to vote on justicin pearson why weren't they there >> i respect my colleagues we do a lot of good work together they did give me notice they would not be at the special call meeting. that is their right to do so, and so some of them, i believe, had plans to be other places that happens we had other commissioners who were out of town i respect them wish they would have been here today, if they couldn't be, that's understandable. i'm glad we were able to get it passed anyway. >> we appreciate you rushing out

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judge ruled that fox could not argue news worthiness as a defense for broadcasting false information about dominion voting machines. this case is supposed to go to trial in matter of days. joining me is senior digital reporter, jayne tim. let me ask you about this sanction what's going on? >> the judge heard evidence that was not turned over to lawyers in court today dominion lawyers brought a recording of abby grossberg, the producer who says her deposition was coerced and was intimidated by lawyers to protect fox. she had an app used to record conversations and get a transcript of it she turned over this evidence but the lawyers themselves did not turn it over to dominion as they were required so when the judge heard this evidence, he was pretty miffed. and essentially sanctioned fox, and said look, i may take further action, but essentially said if dominion needs another

deposition, you're going to have it and fox is going to have to pay for it and that was the sanction here >> and he might appoint a special master >> yeah, so he said he might appoint a special master to investigate sort of what happened here, how there's this surprise evidence. you know what, judge davis made it really clear even weeks ago, he didn't want some smoking gun evidence to come in days before trial, and it sounds like that's potentially what has happened. i haven't heard the recordings myself, so i don't know what's being said but there's evidence that they say wasn't turned over and absolutely should have been. >> let me ask you about this other ruling that came yesterday about what they can and cannot argue in court so part of what we had heard about fox's defense is when they were airing these claims about dominion voting machines about the election that they were claims the president was making so they were news worthy and that was why they had to cover them obviously they covered it in a much different way covered it is a strong word. they did it in a much different way than every other news

organization did when the judge rules they cannot argue news worthiness, what does that do to fox's defense what other defense do they have? >> it severely limits their defense. they can argue that the constitution protects them, the first amendment was involved here, though even that was limited. i will say it's not legally removed from how they're going to talk about this there's going to be witnesses who say we did this because it was news worthy. he said the lawyers cannot argue this as a legal argument so they said stay away from the word newsworthy in your open arguments. but it's going to come up. you're going to hear conversations of news worthiness. >> this is going to trial. what day does it begin >> it's scheduled to begin on monday there could be a delay there's a lot of moving pieces right now, i'll be there waiting in court >> thank you very much. and coming up, the latest inflation numbers are out. what those numbers mean for rate hikes in the future? first up, though, he's running

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this is personal to me i will never back down in defense of the conservative values that make america exceptional. >> that was republican senator tim scott making a 2024 announcement, but not quite the one you thought he might be making, the south carolina lawmaker says he's launched a exploratory committee as he kicks off his almost presidential run in iowa former south carolina governor nikki haley, who has actually announced that she's running for president was also in the hawk eye state today continuing her run with fresh attacks on donald trump. joining me from marion, iowa, is nbc news correspondent, allie -- ali vitali, and jake sherman tell me everything you learned out there in iowa, and specifically these nikki haley attacks on donald trump. she's saying it to donors but not publicly >> reporter: yeah, and look,

that's probably the way that this is going to go down, at least for the first few months of this race because many of these republican rivals, whether they're officially in or not recognize if they're going after donald trump, it means he's probably going to start going after them while he is still the man to beat, it's clear that their strategies don't include taking them on publicly, at least not yet. everything changes when you get to the debate stages, but here in iowa as i have been talking to voters, even though we know trump is at the top of the polls and he is the man to beat, voters here seem pretty open i know it's early, but they also recognize a lot can change between now and voting time. watch. >> what would your message be to trump here at this point where he does have people who want to challenge him? >> it's his right to run again i have no problem with it. you know, and i supported him then if he becomes our candidate, i'll support him at this point you know, i'm open

trump, has a lot of name recognition, and he's had so many issues thrown at him, just so many things to battle all the time. >> i think it's time for a new generation of politicians to come up. i like nikki haley, i like some of the message of some of the younger generation >> reporter: when he says this might be a question of generational leadership, that's exactly the kind of argument that nikki haley is trying to use. she might not be going at donald trump on issues of policy and persona, she's going to try to make an argument that maybe it's time to turn the page, keep some of the central messages but change the messenger. >> why rick scott, why just an exploratory committee, we have been talking about his potential run and the way he has been talking about it for months, what's going on there, ali >> reporter: this sort of allows him to test the waters without fully jumping in it lets him start to build a campaign apparatus, already happening in the shadows, it

lets him make his pitch to donors you're right, the only big picture is what it means to the s.e.c., in terms of is he an official candidate or is this just an exploratory committee. today he's in iowa, tomorrow new hampshire t friday and saturday, back to south carolina for an event and to speak with donors it looks like a campaign, sounds like a campaign, i think we all know it's ultimately going to be a campaign at this point it's a campaign official in waiting but unofficial in terms of him actually joining this field. >> jake, now that we've gotten the details from ali, tell me everything you know about what's going to happen in 2024? >> i have my crystal ball just warming up here's what i will say about tim scott. he's somebody adored by senate republican colleagues. we did an item on punch bowl news saying he's going to be a strong candidate i hope he really does well that's different than an endorsement. i will say this, he raises a ton of money like more money than most senators he, i think, has $20 million in

the bank he's extraordinarily attractive to the donor class, big and small, and that's obviously helpful here he already has outside groups supporting him, so he is somebody with some appeal. quite frankly, what is donald trump going to attack tim scott on he has been a rock solid conservative when he came. he's not terribly controversial. you might disagree with his polly pp policy positions, but he has a hopeful message and he is part of that new generation so all of those things combined, i don't know if he's going to be a strong candidate i don't know if he's going to win. but he could be appealing to a pretty big swath of people. >> i think it does say a lot about the republican party and their confidence in donald trump and his ability to win a general election that so many others are getting into this race or at least not ruling it out as of now. what do you make of that obviously everybody has their own ambitions and they're going to go when they believe they

might have a shot. but at the same time if donald trump was a sure bet, i would imagine we wouldn't be seeing tim scott or nikki haley or ron desantis running around all this. >> here is probably what every candidate thinking in their head he is as weak as he'll probably ever be although he's still pretty strong. in a general election, what swing voter of that 2 or 3% of the country or 5% of the country that was open to voting for him in 2016 will vote for him again thinking he's a politician that could transcend political rancor he cut zero deals when he was president and there's no evidence he'll not do that again. >> my friends, thanks for bringing your expertise to the show today. coming up, the biden administration made a big move to change most of the cars on the road what the automobile industry will be required to do next.

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to make the 2020s into the next decade all about really speeding up this transformation away from gas-powered engines and to electric vehicles. so ambitious goals it will be a little difficult for the auto industry but it feels like they're mostly in favor. >> it feels like the auto industry is trying to make those moves. we see so many of the companies coming out with new, exciting models half the battle here is not just getting them onto the market, getting them to the consumer, but also making them usable for the consumer and that's making charging stations more accessible and making cities places, cities where you don't have a driveway places where you can -- you can easily own one of these cars you can easily charge it and make it feasible for your daily life >> absolutely. i mean i talk about this with family and friends all the time who either have all-electric vehicles are or thinking about it if you're taking a big road trip you have to plan ahead and it can be challenging and you worry

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a federal court in manhattan has set april 19th, next wednesday, for its first hearing on d.a. alvin bragg's lawsuit against house judiciary chair jim jordan bragg filed suit yesterday to stop jordan from subpoenaing a former prosecutor in the d.a.'s office, along with any future subpoenas for bragg himself. he argues jordan is trying to undermine, intimidate and attack both him and his hush money case against donald trump joining me now is nbc news legal analyst and former u.s. attorney joyce vance. this is a 50-page motion filed by bragg what are the chances that it's going to work? >> so it's a very interesting move and it's an aggressive one boy bragg, but it's appropriate

because he's asking the court in essence to issue a declaratory judgment you know, we're used to civil lawsuits where people ask for money damages. here bragg is saying to the court i need you to rule on what my rights are vis-a-vis the judiciary committee's efforts to subpoena me, subpoena other people on my staff or former staff. i want you to tell the judiciary committee back off, your subpoenas aren't any good here, they can't be enforced given the courts are used to entering those kinds of decisions and there is some clear law to follow here, i think it's a savvy move. it's an offensive move it's an effort not to wait for the judiciary committee to continue to issue subpoenas, but rather to settle the issue now. >> so what sort of -- jordan says that this is bragg trying to block congressional oversight. what sort of oversight does congress, does the house have over a state prosecutor? >> yeah, not a whole lot, right? i mean there's this notion of

federalism and the powers that states have are reserved to the states here's a core prosecutorial function in the state of new york and you can imagine the kind of abuse that could be in store here if any member of congress could look back to their home state and protect, you know, their governor, their senator, or just a family friend from prosecution by trying to interfere in a state prosecutor's work. much like doj always pushes back whenever congress tries to subpoena information about an ongoing prosecution, the state is entitled to do that here, but also with more force because there is no oversight f, say, the manhattan d.a. like there might be of the justice department >> it is an interesting case, though, because usually when we're talking about congressional subpoenas, and we've talked about them in regards to a number of republicans over the years, a number of republicans that are currently serving in congress that the january 6th committee

wanted to speak to, including jim jordan, when we talk about them, though, we usually talk about them in a sacrosanct way, you have to comply with a congressional subpoena, you just have to do it. this makes it a bit tricky, doesn't it >> well, no, i think what we're saying is consistent you do have an obligation to comply with these subpoenas and that's what bragg is doing he's not ignoring the subpoena like the current chairman of the judiciary committee did, he is actually going to court for a declaration of the rights here it obviously would be unavailing to him to try to negotiate with the jim jordan-led committee so he's doing the next thing he can. what we won't see alvin bragg do, i suspect, is ignore a subpoena and not show up when it comes to mark ppomeranz, there may be legitimate scope where congress can question him.

some things can be on the table while others are off. >> pomeranz is no longer in the d.a.'s office so might there be a way for jim jordan to speak to him that wouldn't interfere in the current investigation? >> right i think there might be pomeranz has written a book. it would depend, of course, on how jordan framed it because he does not have oversight of the manhattan d.a.'s office. he can't interfere to try to get information that would benefit his friend and ally, the former president. but congress does have a broad scope. and we need to be careful of being consistent whether we like the person issuing the subpoena or not, congress is an institution, has important power. >> joyce vance, thank you so much for coming on and explaining the weird logistics for a case like this appreciate it. and that's going to do it for me today. "deadline white house" starts right now.