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we are back with the second hour of cr"chris jansing report reports live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. at this hour, breaking news, we are waiting for a pentagon briefing expected any moment as we learn new details about exactly who might be behind the leak of classified u.s. intelligence documents of government secrets online. plus, in the hot seat, former president donald trump's deposition in a high stakes civil lawsuit here in new york what it could mean for the fate of the family business and days of flames, the fire at an indiana plastics recycling plant, pumping toxic black clouds into the richmond skies for a third straight day the danger and how the community is responding. plus, a 50-year flood event. we're live from fort lauderdale, florida, where officials just issued an emergency declaration

after that massive rainfall. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, let's start with that breaking news officials have identified a suspect in the classified documents leak nbc's ken dilanian is back with us ken, minany minute now we're expecting to hear from the pentagon what are the main questions we need to have answered here >> the biggest question i have is an arrest imminent in this case it looks like there is we have colleagues near a house associated in public records with the person we have identified as the suspect in this case. it appears police are getting close to doing something there but of course questions for pentagon officials also include did this 21-year-old member of the air national guard in cape cod have lawful access to all of this highly classified information as part of his job or is the allegation that he stole it or somehow gained inappropriate access or a third possibility, was he some kind of technical role,

i.t. role, as was edward snowden ten years ago, which gave him so much access. it boggles the mind, as we have been talking about, chris, how somebody at such a low level in an intelligence wing of the air national guard had access to highly classified intelligence about allies, about things happening in ukraine, in russia, intelligence that exposed very sensitive communications, intercepts of russia and other places, chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you, we'll continue to keep our eye on that podium in the meantime, i want to go to wtvj reporter julia bragg in fort lauderdale, florida, a foot of rain has caused major flooding there, the rainiest day in that city's history everyone looks okay but i know it's far from the case tell us exactly what's happening? >> reporter: it is far from the case, in fact, if i step aside, you can get a better look, and you see water covering the tar

mac here, the taxiways, the runway here at fort lauderdale airport. that is what has trapped the aircraft that you see here all of this rain falling from yesterday, actually here at the airport, 20 plus inches of rain. and it's going nowhere because the area around the airport here in fort lauderdale is so saturated that airport officials say even if they had enough pumps to move out this water, there is simply no place for it to go. so right now, the airport is shut down. no flights in or out, and they are not expecting to get things in the air again until at least 5:00 tomorrow morning. that's the word from the broward county mayor here who says even that goal is optimistic because they are totally at the mercy of mother nature here for the water to recede. now, what you're looking at here is not the only runway at the airport. they do have a runway on the south side, the flooded side, the worst part is here on the

north side where i am. if the water will recede enough for these planes to make a path, to clear a path for them to taxi around to the other side of the airport, then they would be able to take off, but even so, we're talking at the earliest, tomorrow morning at 5:00 a.m., and then even at that point, they're expecting to be a one runway airport for the next few days chris. >> that's not to mention the evacuations, the school shut down julia bagg, thank you so much for that. now to the toxic fire burning in indiana where we're learning that city and state officials were specifically worried about exactly what's happening now at that site nbc's ron allen is following that for us. richmond's mayor says the city, ron, actually ordered the business owner to clean up the site, citing safety code violations, what more can you tell us? >> there has been some kind of process underway to try and clean up this particular factory, warehouse, recycling center city officials have not been forthcoming with details about

this they have been focused on trying to get the fire out and evacuate residents and deal with the situation in the short-term here yes, they have said also that it wasn't a question of if there would be a fire at this particular place it's a question of when they said today there's some encouraging news, the smoke has lessened, although the evacuation order remains in place for about 1,500 or more people within a half mile radius of the plant, of the factory. it's a warehouse, that is apparently filled ceiling to floor and wall-to-wall with plastic. and that's apparently what's burning. firefighters are saying today that they have been able to make progress getting closer to this facility it's a massive place some 14 acres, six buildings, and yesterday they were saying that they couldn't even get to the fire because there were so many trucks and other things in the way because the factory, the plant, the warehouse wasn't well organized, essentially, but now

with bulldozers, and other heavy equipment, they have been able to make some progress. they are still saying that they don't think that this fire will be out and that the air will be clear until sometime this weekend. there's a press briefing schedule any moment now. i'm watching to see when they get started where we hope to learn more details about the situation there. schools remain closed. they will probably be closed again tomorrow residents beyond the evacuation zone have been told to shelter in place, and anyone who can smell the smoke and see it they have been warned to move out of that area because it's potentially dangerous. >> ron allen, thank you for that now let's go to new york where donald trump has been testifying in a civil case that targets the trump organization nbc's rehema ellis is there what do we know about this >> reporter: we know this is the second deposition that the former president is sitting for at the attorney general's office the first one came before the civil lawsuit was filed.

that was back in august where he took the fifth, more than 400 times, and he has a legal right to do that after that deposition, that lawsuit was filed where she is charging that he falsely claimed that his properties were worth more than they were, chris. >> ra hema, thank you, we have to go to the pentagon where we are getting information about that leak and possible arrest. let's listen >> and it would be inappropriate for me or any other d.o.d. official to comment at this time certainly when we have more to provide from the department of defense, we will in the meantime, as secretary austin has stated, the department is taking the issue of this unauthorized disclosure very seriously we continue to work around the clock along with the inner agency and the intelligence community to better understand the scope, scale and impact of these leaks. and just as we're limited in what we can say about the d. o.j.'s ongoing investigation, we'll be also very limited in what we can say about any of the documents themselves and while we certainly

understand the media's interest in asking questions about the contents of these documents, i will highlight that as a matter of long standing policy, just because classified information may be posted online or elsewhere does not mean it has been declassified by a classification authority and those of you who have been covering the pentagon for a long time know that we're just not going to discuss or confirm classified information due to the potential impact on national security as well as the safety and security of our personnel and those of our allies and our partners, and for that reason, we will continue to encourage those of you who are reporting this story to take these latter factors into account and to consider the potential consequences of posting potentially sensitive documents or information online or elsewhere. separately, secretary austin hosted latvia's minister of defense at the pentagon. the leaders discussed the strength of the u.s./latvia

network, and discussed shared security interests in europe, including nato's deterrence and defense posture ahead of the july nato summit readout will be available later today. staying on europe for a moment next week, secretary austin will travel to sweden to meet with his counter part to discuss security-related topics shared by our two nations from there, he'll travel to germany where he and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff general milley will host an in person meeting at ramstein air base this will be the 11th meeting of the udcg since this vital forum was established by secretary austin win year ago. the secretary and general milley will join senior military officials from 50 nations around the world to discuss the ongoing crisis in ukraine, and to continue our close coordination in providing the ukrainian people with the means necessary to protect themselves against russia's unprovoked and illegal aggression

the contact group has been instrumental in ifdentifying, synchronizing the capabilities the ukrainians need to defend their homeland the arkansas army national guard 35th combat team will replace the new york army national guard's 27th infantry combat team and assume command of the joint multinational training group in germany the 27th infantry combat team took charge of the jmtcu in a transfer authority in august of 2022 becoming the first and only unit in the jmtgu's eight-year history to assume the unit mission for a second time. we look forward to the arrival of the 39th and the continuation of the important work to provide ukraine what it needs in terms of training to defend itself and with that, i'll be happy to go to your questions we'll go ahead and start with ap, tara. >> thank you, general rider.

can you confirm that airman first class jack techera, air national guard is a person of interest in this leaked documents case i have several other questions. >> sure. first of all, as i mentioned, there is an ongoing criminal investigation and so anything related to that i'm going to need to refer you to the doj or fbi. >> can you speak at all to if anyone in the department of defense has reached out to this airman, do you know where he is? there are reports that law enforcement is closing in on this airman's location so has anyone been able to reach out to him >> again, tara, i appreciate the question, but again, given that this is an ongoing investigation, i'm not going to be able to talk about the investigation or any potential doj actions so i'd refer you to them. >> in the days after the leaks came to light, what steps has dod taken to reduce the number of people who have access to not only these classified briefings, but the classified material in

general? >> sure, so we continue to review a variety of factors as it relates to safeguarding classified materials this includes examining and updates distribution lists, assessing how and where intelligence products are shared and a variety of other steps i would say, though, that it is important to understand that we do have stringent guidelines in place for safeguarding classified and sensitive information. this was a deliberate criminal act, a violation of those guidelines and so, again, i think that's important to understand. we will continue to do everything we can to ensure that people who have a need to know when it comes to this kind of information have credit to that. we're always going to learn from every situation. but again, this is something that we'll continue to look at. >> but you are taking steps to tighten that, i guess, population who might have access to this level of information >> that's accurate again, we continue to review

those distribution lists, update them, make sure there's a need to know. let me just emphasize my point that this was a -- we have rules in place each of us signs a nondisclosure agreement. anybody that has a security clearance and so all indications are, again, this is criminal act, a willful violation of those, and another reason we're continue to go investigate and support doj's investigation. >> the last question, do you have a sense that this is just the act of one individual and even if so, wouldn't members of his chain of command also be held accountable for this lost information? >> again, i don't want to speculate or get ahead of the doj's investigation. we need to allow that to run its course, and so i would refer you to them. let me go ahead and go to gordon and i'll come back to jen. >> two questions, one, just to clarify, in dod's efforts to change the way you do business

in terms of protecting classified information apart from the stuff that you do already, is that d.o.d. led or joint staff led? who's kind of directing what on that and second question is just hypothetically, i know you like hypotheticals, if someone was to be charged, what would determine whether the military would charge and indict and, you know, carry out the legal process against that person or people or doj? >> yeah, so on your latter question, you're right, i don't want to get into hypotheticals, i will say that, you know, as always, every case is judged on its own merits, and we need to allow this investigation to run its course, and then of course there will be more to say on that on your first question, again, it's important to understand that this is not just about dod. this is about the u.s. government, this is about how we protect and safeguard classified information. and as i highlighted, we do have strict protocols in place, so anytime there's an ncident,

anytime there's an opportunity to review that and refine it, we're of course going to take advantage of that. within the department of defense, as you've heard us say, secretary austin has been convening daily meetings with his senior leaders to include the chairman to talk about reviewing the scope and the impact of this, and also to look at mitigation measures and what we need to do across the department of defense to ensure that we're doing our utmost to reinforce existing policies, procedures, and rules. and if there are any areas where we need to tighten things up, we certainly will when i say dod, i mean the department of defense, across the entire enterprise. okay jen. >> general, you say there are strict protocols in place, yet a 21-year-old airman was able to access some of the nation's top

skr secrets. how did this happen, and isn't this a massive security breach >> again, we need to allow the investigation to run its course. we'll of course know more when that is completed, so i would refer you to doj on that >> what is your message to anyone who might be thinking of leaking these kind of documents in the future? >> look, again, we have procedures we have protocols in place we receive regular training on the proper handling of classified information as i mentioned, we sign nondisclosure agreements those rules are very clear, and anyone who has a security clearance knows that anyone who violates those rules is doing so willfully. >> can you put into context the damage that has been done by this leak? >> again, right now, we're contin continuing to assess the scope and the impact that's work that will be ongoing. tony >> how large was the distribution network for these documents, say prior to last thursday when the closures came out? are we talking in the thousands

of people that had access, inside the pentagon and outside the pentagon to include europe and bases around the united states >> tony, i don't have any numbers to provide you, as i'm sure you can appreciate the department of defense and all of our components, it's a global enterprise, doing work in all areas of the world, and so certainly we have people who have access to information that they need to do their jobs but i don't have any numbers for you. >> and you say it was widespread, though, versus outside the pentagon, though, and other military installations? >> again, the department of defense, we conduct global operations, so intelligence products, operational, informational products are shared with dod leaders and personnel globally throughout the world, whether it's in a component command, whether it's in the services. again, the important thing to understand about classified information, it's not just i want to have access to it because i have clearance, it's all based on need to know.

do you have a need to know that information, and that typically will grant you access if you have the appropriate clearances. thank you. >> thanks. >> travis. >> thanks, pat i'm still confused on the access issue. you said that there were changes that were made but you also said that you're reviewing things can you tell us are there less people who have access to this type of information today than there were a week ago? >> so, travis, again, i'm not going to get down to numbers again, reviewing distribution lists, looking at who has a need to know, making sure those things are updated doing due diligence in the wake of these unauthorized disclosures. again, though, i want to emphasize that this was a deliberate criminal act to violate those guidelines and rules in the same way that if you locked your front door and somebody came into your house and took something, you followed your procedures and you locked your door, but somebody went in your house and took something

and put it out on the street that's what we're talking about here let me go to carla >> just a couple of questions on this and i have a follow on something separate why did it take so long to brief the secretary about the leaks? he said that he was briefed on april the 6th. and would you classify that delay as a failure of the open source intelligence teams? >> absolutely not. we were notified, you know, the department became aware on the 5th, the secretary was briefed hours later on the morning of the 6th. i don't consider that a delay. thanks. >> to follow on that, these documents were available long before april 5th and 6th so what took so long for dod and the intelligence communities to locate these documents >> yeah, so that's really something that the investigation will tell us that said, i think it's important to remember that dod's intelligence activities are primarily focused internationally, so to the extent that the department collects any information related

to u.s. persons, for example, or gaming chat rooms, it would have to be conducted in accordance with law and policy, and in a manner that protects privacy and civil liberties. again, we'll know more at the culmination of this investigation. thank you. >> to follow up on -- >> all right. >> on the syria tax from march, do we have a final conclusion on the tbi assessments, how many u.s. troops received tbis as a result of these attacks and do you believe the u.s. strikes that happened on 3/23, the retaliatory strikes, do you believe they have deterred iranian-backed groups from targeting u.s. forces? >> on the tbi, my understanding is they have collected some additional information we'll get that to you and the press team here. in terms of deterrence, again, we're going to continue to do everything that we need to do at a time and place of our choosing to ensure that we're deterring and safeguarding our folks

just leave it at that. thank you. let me go to dave. >> can you just tell us what the mission of the 102nd intelligence wing of the massachusetts international guard was? and are you going to release this airman's service record in response to i'm sure the thousands of requests you've already gotten >> david, on the service record, we'll take that and we'll provide an update when we're able to. in terms of the 102nd intelligence wing, i don't have that in front of me. i'm positive they have a web site we can quickly find the fact sheet up there. in general, intelligence wings throughout the air force support what you might imagine, air force intelligence requirements worldwide to support a variety of types of intelligence missions and requirements.

which include active guard and reserve components, so brandy. >> thank you so much, general. what technologies is the pentagon applying right now to both spot leaked documents online, and tracked potential indicators of leaking type practices? do you plan to be investing in more >> again, brandy, so when it comes to this particular situation, we'll know more when the investigation is concluded as i highlighted when it comes to intelligence collection within the department of defense, that's focused primarily internationally. i'm not going to get into the specifics of where, how and when we conduct our intelligence activities but we're always looking at potential gaps, potential vulnerabilities, and that's something that will just be ongoing. >> you are using technologies right now to spot potential leakers of future documents? >> you're asking me a hypothetical, basically. again, we're always going to be

on the lookout, we're always going to be on the lookout for any potential insider threats. again, we get training on how to spot insider threats, but again, as i mentioned to travis, you've locked your door, lent keys to your friends if one of those friends decides to give the keys away, hopefully you would have been able to clue in on the signals. >> i don't think it's lost on anyone in the room that this is all happening at the same time that deputy secretary hicks is conducting a review of the pentagon's classification practices and at times over classification can you talk about how this incident is informing that ongoing review >> again, i think that there's the invest that the doj is conducting and then you're talking about something separately, which is, again, our review of classification requirement, acknowledging where we need to be better in terms of classification. >> having no impact on hicks. >> i'm going to go on.

>> i want to come back to the question of distribution on two different questions. given the gravity of the situation, are you actively pairing down the distribution list now is this a process that's moving quickly or is it going to take time for there to be meaningful substantiative changes to the distribution, and is dod taken additional measures to restrict the access of classified information to others in the air national guard >> i think i have answered the question that, yes, we are taking and have taken steps to review distribution lists and to ensure that folks receiving information have a need to know, but again, to belabor the point, we have safeguards in place. we have processes. we have procedures we'll continue to do due diligence as part of this review to ensure that we're doing everything we can to prevent potential unauthorized closures in the future. recognizing that, again, this was a criminal deliberate act.

thank you. i don't have anything on that. ro >> thank you very much ask you a question about china -- >> wait, what. >> read the room, ro, come on. >> china conducted three-day exercises around taiwan, and combat training around taiwan. do you assess china has over reacted to the meeting between president xi andtsai and speaker mccarthy >> we continue to monitor the situation in the taiwan strait closely, as well as the prc's military exercise. you have heard others say that from a u.s. government perspective, these military exercises undermine peace and stability across the taiwan

strait, which is critical to global prosperity. you know, they estimate, you know, upwards of a few trillion dollars of global commerce going through that strait regularly. and so as we've said, there's no reason for beijing to turn president tsai's transit, consistent with long standing u.s. policy, which is not reused as a pretext to overreact. and so we'll continue to do everything we can to maintain open channels of communication with the prc, and we will not be deterred, the u.s. will not be deterred from operating safely and responsibly in the seas and skies in the western pacific consistent with international law. >> quick follow up the chinese military exercises accumulated the blockade of taiwan, are you confident the u.s. military is capable of breaking chinese blockade around

taiwan >> again, i'm not going to get into hypotheticals, and i'm not going to talk about, you know, or speculate on future scenarios. again, we're going to work closely with our allies and partners in the region to focus on our primary goal, which is peace, stability, and security in the region. and so that will continue to be our primary focus. okay let me go back over here >> and so we're going to continue to listen in to the press briefing, but the big headline is that there is confirmation, you saw it from there, that u.s. officials want to talk to a 21-year-old air national guardsman from massachusetts, cape cod, who is obviously somehow they believe tied to this leak of a trove of classified documents that somehow ended up online. apparently in a gaming chat room we heard several times that this is considered a deliberate criminal act the question is how, with all of the safeguards that the brigadier general says are in

place did this happen. nbc national security and global affairs reporter dan de luce ha been watching this closely what is your take away from what we just heard? >> again, he doesn't really answer some of these key questions that you raised, which is how did this 21-year-old airman get access to such sensitive, such highly classified information i think that is not -- we don't have that answer yet, and why would he need access to this kind of information. general ryder was saying that they have very strict rules and classified or sensitive material is only provided to those who can prove they have a need to know and we don't know what that need to know was in this case, and he wouldn't say whether there are restrictions being imposed on that massachusetts air national guard unit he did say that they are tightening procedures, restricting the pool of people who have access to classified information. he said that they've already

kind of reduced the distribution list but i think there's another kind of issue here that's really unusual. right? this is a new situation. if you look at past leaks over the decades, they tended to be double agents, people who were passing secrets to foreign adversaries or they were people who saw themselves as whistleblowers they wanted to inform the world about what they saw as shortcomings or injustices or excess being carried out by the u.s. he took the secret documents and shared them with a small group of people on a private chat room some of them reportedly teenagers. there is not a whistleblower, and this doesn't appear to be a foreign spy, and this is a very uncharted, unusual situation. >> but it does, we can't say enough, raise serious questions about access that a 21-year-old would have who happened to work at an intel unit of the national

guard. dan de luce, i know you'll continue to follow this. thank you so much, we appreciate it. a twist in the courtroom as jury selection begins in the massive defamation lawsuit against fox news why a federal judge is throwing down the gauntlet. thatn i60 seconds subway keeps upping their game with the subway series. an all-star menu of delicious subs. like #6 the boss. meatballs with marinara and pepperoni. i get asked so many times - who's the boss? if you get the boss you are the boss. try subway's tastiest menu upgrade yet. (seth) not to brag, but i just switched to verizon.

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those could have legal implications for the case. jeremy peters is a reporter for the "new york times" who has been covering the story extensively. shan wu, a former federal prosecutor jeremy, the judge's sanction gives dominion the chance to conduct another deposition at fox's expense. give us the background on what happens now? >> so this goes to trial on monday, and there's really not a whole lot of time for dominion to gather new information ahead of the trial and once they get going, it will be even harder so i don't know that dominion has yet decided to avail themselves of this opportunity the judge has given them it's significant for another reason in that it shows that the judge has really reached the ends of the limits of his patience with fox. and he's scolded them numerous times throughout the proceedings before, you know, since this case -- since this judge started

hearing this case in delaware, really holding regular proceedings on it over the last six months or so, he several times now admonished fox, recently for objecting to too many things that dominion was trying to introduce into evidence on tuesday of this week, he set very strict limits on what they could argue as a defense regarding the first amendment protections they believe they are afforded in this case, telling them if they went too far, he would stop the lawyers mid sentence and instruct the jury to disregard what the lawyer for fox had just said so going into the trial, you know, you don't really want to have a judge angry with the defense team even though this will ultimately be decided by 12 jurors in delaware, the judge has a remarkable amount of power to set how far fox can mount its defense. >> i think shan would agree, that's not something that you

want but i want to play for you, shan, one of those audio recordings it's from december 2020, and it's between a fox news producer and a member of the trump campaign team. let's listen. >> are any of the machines -- i know it was on war room the other day with steve bannon, have any of the machines been looked at? he had said that one was looked at in georgia. >> i'd have to check on that in terms of georgia i know during the audit they did check on those machines. if we could just go off the record for one second here >> yeah, sure of course. i don't want us to say it if it's not that's why we're checking. >> yeah, i would -- i think they have looked at the machines. when the secretary of state did its audit, there was a lot -- i think a fair bit of looking at the machines the audit came in pretty darn close to what the machine count was with the receipts, so, you

know, i don't know the outcome of those, but our understanding -- again, this is from the secretary of state's office, was that there weren't any physical issues with machines on those inspections. >> put that into a legal context and how significant it might be, shan >> well, it's important to realize it's not the trump team that's being accused of something here, it's fox, and so when the trump folks say to the fox team, i want this off the record so i can be really candid with you, the information that they're getting is that there is no there there there does not appear to be any issue with the machines at all that goes to the heart of whether they're acting with malice whether they know that there is no problem with the machines and yet they're still broadcasting that it is i mean, the fact that they want to argue is news worthy, that has been kind of cut out from their list of options there, but what would have been newsworthy obviously is to say, hey, the trump people are telling us that

there's no problem with the machines the fact that they didn't use that truthful information they're getting from the trump team, that really goes to the heart of what the problem is for fox here. >> which leads me, jeremy, to your reporting about the judge saying fox can't argue newsworthiness to defend airing those claims tell us a polilittle more about that. >> from the beginning of this case, fox has argued to the judge, they have argued in statements to the public that what they reported on, what they commented on about the 2020 election, and you know, these false allegations of voter fraud was protected as free speech, under the first amendment. the judge is basically taken that off the table and left them with a much narrower path to pursue a first amendment defense. and what fox is effectively left to tell the jury now is, look,

we were waiting for the president and his lawyers to prove this in a court of law they never did that. so when we figured that they weren't going to be able to do that, we stopped covering. it now, enough jurors might find that persuasive, but this is still one of the strongest defamation cases that legal experts have told me repeatedly they have ever seen against a major media organization because there is so much evidence, communication between producers, hosts, executives, night after night, day after day, in which they are raising doubts, mocking and flat out saying this doesn't make any sense, it's not true about the allegations that president trump, sidney powell and rudy giuliani were making, yet on the air, on many of these shows, they were telling their audience a much different story. >> jeremy peters, thank you so much shan wu, you're going to stick with us. former president trump is facing several legal battles on top of

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breaking news that there has been an arrest in that leak of a treasure-trove of documents. two online sources we have been talking about that all through the day. we just got an update from the pentagon let me go to nbc national security and global affairs reporter, dan de luce, and former federal prosecutor shan wu what do we know about this >> we know that the airman of the air national guard has been arrested in this leaked case, and this is of course a very strange case unlike previous because it seems to be all indications are this is not a whistleblower, and there are no allegations yet that he was somehow working for a foreign

adversary. but he was arrested in massachusetts today. he is only 21 years old. we don't know why or how he may have gotten access to so much sensitive and highly classified material dozens of documents, possibly more than that we're still waiting to hear exactly how he came to do this and what his motive was. >> we know earlier today that the president said that they were close we know that they have said this has been a full blown investigation. now that there is an arrest, shan, what happens now >> now really much more extensive investigation begins, as dan was mentioning, they're going to be looking for evidence of his motive. now that they have him, they know who he's spoken to, friends, acquaintances, family, they can start to interview those folks, and they want to identify what electronics he had access to. cell phones, computers, laptops, et cetera. so now the real deep investigation really starts.

up until now, they have been on all guns trying to figure out who was it, let's grab him before any more damage may happen now they need to figure out exactly how to build the kcase and what other charges there may be. >> let's talk a little bit more about this 21-year-old as you say, not the traditional profile of someone who you would think, dan, would leak a lot of information. somebody who was part of, what, a chat group, an online group with many young members in it. we don't know where this information came from. what we know is it's caused reverberations not just across this country but internationally. what do we know about him and his background >> we are waiting to hear a lot more there's very little known, but what seems to be based on what's been reported so far is that he was taking classified material and sharing it with a very small group of people on a private

social media platform, chat room, not a public space and that this was going on at least since march, possibly since january, possibly even before that, and so that is one of the questions the administration and the intelligence community is going to face, which is why was this happening for so long without the knowledge of the u.s. government. now, this was brought up at the pentagon briefing earlier, and their response was there are limits to what the u.s. can see and track inside the u.s. or involving american citizens. so they can't just, you know, p proverbially rush into the club without probable cause and there are a huge amount of people who have security clearance. we don't know exactly why is it that they couldn't get at this earlier. were there clues that were missed there are supposed to be records when someone prints out classified material. but, you know, we have had similar situations in the past

where people, relatively low lan ranking people that had access to people that was leaked by chelsea manning, rick snowden. again, this question about how much intelligence is being shared, is it being shared too widely but we don't know still exactly what his motive was. it does seem like he wanted to share this with a small group of people he didn't try to sort of broad k cast this to the world or share it with media outlets. it is unusual in that sense. >> but as we have all learned in any number of cases, once something goes online, you can't put the gegenie back in the bote easily merrick garland is supposed to have a press conference. they have not said exactly why he's going to take to the podium

we should be hearing from the attorney general fairly soon if he takes questions, many of the questions you have been raising. shan, let me go to you we don't know if there's been an arrest we don't know what the charges are, but what could they be potentially, do you think? >> start with the easy part which would be the mishandling of the classified information. then you get to the more difficult part, which is to define what his intention was. who is he sharing it with. could there be espionage act possible charges depending on what he did with the information. that's the real key here not only does the intelligence community need to ascertain sort of a damage control aspect of it, but on the criminal charging front, what he did with it, why he was doing with it is going to inform those charges. >> dan de luce again, just based on past experience, what different entities would be involved in this, obviously doj, obviously the pentagon, the fbi. >> yes, the entire intelligence community, and yes, the fbi, and

the defense department there is already a team at the pentagon trying to gauge and evaluate the damage that's been done, the scope of this breach, and arguably, this is the worst security breach for nearly a decade since the snowden case. i think the one thing that seems to be very damaging if you speak to former intelligence officials is that these documents repeatedly refer to information gathered from electronic eves dropping, from signals intelligence that's really the coin of the realm for the u.s. intelligence machine, and it is very sensitive, and very valuable, and having that exposed gives your adversaries the ability to cut off some of that, change their procedures and tactics and that stream of intelligence is now jeopardized, but that is very serious and that damage is done there will be relief that

they've got a suspect, hopefully the threat is over there isn't a live unfolding potential of more leaks, more information seeping out. so in that sense, they hope they kind of draw the line around this case and try to clean up now. >> clean up. let me bring in symone sanders townsend who served as chief spokesperson for vice president harris, and the host of "symone" on msnbc pat ryder had a tough time he said very little, this is now an investigation this is not about my office, our office we're not the lead on this investigation. but here are the facts the fact are, as we know them, that this was a 21-year-old. this is somebody who apparently had access to things that a lot of people would question why a 21-year-old in the national guard in cape cod might need to have access to national secrets, might need to have access to things that regard things like

the war in ukraine now, there are going to be very many tough questions for the pentagon, for doj, for the president of the united states frr from a communications standpoint, what do they need to do now >> i think you have seen the biden/harris administration do over the last 24/48 hours, communicate what they can, and ensure calm. you saw the president, and i see we have the justice department, merrick garland is going to speak because folks need to know the specifics about what is about to happen. you saw the president down play it, he is not particularly concerned when asked about it on his international trip, and then the pentagon spokesperson coming out at the pentagon was very important because as that press conference was happening, the fbi was actually searching the home of the suspect. i do believe the person that has now been captured in this case there's two things, chris. there's an internal, what the government is internally concerned about and then the

external damage to the united states government and our allies i think the external damage to the united states government and our allies, again, the president addressed, various counter parts, you aren't going to hear much from that piece, the united states government, the spokesperson officials are going to say they have it under control. internally, that is why merrick garland is going to the podium you're seeing all of these other individuals. we're going to hear more from national security officials in the coming days. there are real questions about how this happened, questions, frankly that the spokes people don't have the answers to right now, and when you don't have the answers, the worst thing you could do is try to spin the people or bs the folks, the journalists in the room for lack of a better term you have to simply say, i cannot speak to that right now. i do not know. i don't have the answers but so and so does and the so and so in this case is the attorney general of the united states of america that the folks will hear from very shortly. but i would just caution, again, because this is an ongoing

investigation, this justice department is not going to detail every single thing this they know, but they're going to tell you enough, and here's merrick garland. >> here's merrick garland. >> lisa monaco, and fbi director paul bate. the justice department arrested jack douglas tecira. an employee of the united states air force national guard fbi agents took him into custody earlier this afternoon without incident he will have an initial appearance at the u.s. district court for the district of massachusetts. i want to thank the fbi justice department prosecutors and our colleagues at the department of defense for their diligent work on this case this investigation is ongoing, we will share more information at the appropriate time.

>> that's it, no questions for the attorney general basically con confirming what we already knew we knew the name of him. we knew how old he was certainly nbc news, "new york times," lots of other agencies have a lot more reporting on this what do you make of that brief statement? >> the attorney general was reading from a prompter. it was a carefully crafted statement. short and to the point, and he did not take any questions again, i think the strategy here, just, you know, from the outside looking in as a communications person, i think the strategy here was to come out, tell the people what everyone can already see with their eyes, what journalists are already reporting and writing in their stories and saying on television, and use the special words, this is an ongoing investigation, we aren't going to tell you too much more, and walk away, that's exactly what

you got from attorney general merrick garland today. >> okay. dan de luce, shan wu, symone sanders, i want to thank you all of you colonel jack jacobs, you know a little bit about the intelligence that surrounds the united states military said it many times, 21 years old, air national guard, works out of an office in cape cod what do you make of what we have learned so far today >> well, it's surprising he's of such a low rank, although he's in the intelligence business for the guard, and therefore may in fact have security clearances that would permit him to get access to this kind of information. obviously it's not something you can either have access to outside what is called a secure information facility, compartment and information

facility or has access that he can pass it off to someone else. the report is he was sharing it with friends in a group online but it's difficult to envision how intelligence of this type, which one would assume would be highly classified, and maybe beyond the classifications in which he had access, how he got ahold of it, and then passed it on to his friends. >> that was going to be my question for you, jack when we look at the breadth of what has been reported of the kinds of intelligence that were apparently part of this classified trove and other documents, would it be typical for a 21-year-old in the national guard to be able to access it? what kinds of questions would that raise for you, jack >> it's atypical you wouldn't think that would be able to be accessed by somebody of his grade, necessarily. and certainly it raises more questions about his component,

he's in the national guard, we rely on the guard and reserve components because we have a volunteer force, we don't have draftees and so on they have access to materials. we're talking about materials that were probably classified at a high level, secret and even h higher, but more significantly, it dealt with our allies, and information about our adversaries probably was classified also as no form, no dissemination to anybody other than americans, which meant that it was probably very very well, it was supposed to be compartmented and not permitted to be released to anybody outside a secure facility. we don't know very much about this so far, but it's actually quite astountdinding that someby of his component and grade would

have access to this kind of material, and there's no doubt about the fact that this will cause not only an investigation about this particular incident but an investigation into how he handle classified material generally. >> colonel jack jacobs, thank you so much for coming on the phone quickly with us. the 21-year-old under arrest, jack douglas teixeira, without incident that's going to do it for me "chris jansing reports" reports comes to you every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 eastern time on msnbc. our breaking news coverage will continue with "katy tur reports" next 50% off?! that deal's so good we don't even need an eight-time all-star to tell you about it. wait what? get it before it's gone on the subway app! (vo) sail through the heart of historic cities wait what? and unforgettable scenery with viking. unpack once and get closer to iconic landmarks,

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