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attorney general merrick garland identified him as 21-year-old air national guardsman, jack tech t teixeira "the new york times" spoke with members of the private group teixeira oversaw the chat where 20 to 30 people, mostly young men and teenagers came together over a shared love of guns, racist online memes and video games. it is in that group that airman teixeira is said to have uploaded hundreds of pages of intelligence briefings, according to the times joining me now is justice correspondent, ken dilanian. the details are unbelievable in this case. walk us through what we know one more time, what is out there and how we think it got out there. >> what is out there, alex, are some highly classified documents showing the fruits of american

eavesdropping, signals intelligence on russia and many other countries. very embarrassing revelations that the u.s. has supplied on allies not surprising to the allies, but embarrassing when it becomes public, ukraine's air defenses and weaknesses, relevant to the war. the justice department and fbi have arrested this 21-year-old airman, born after 9/11. they have not detailed the charges against him. the times and the post are reporting that he was the leader of a chat room on the server, the gaming platform discord, and the people that are talking to the "times" and "post" in the chat room where the material was being shared said his motive was not to be a whistleblower, was not to disclose this information to adversaries but simply to impress his friends, and to sort of inform them about what he thought were the dark secrets of the u.s. government. we have not seen this before in a major high profile case of the

disclosure of classified information. so the big outstanding question is did this airman have lawful access to this material? some or all of it? did he steal it? did he have some kind of technology job that created that access >> see, that's the thing, by the way, we're looking at video just outside his home in massachusetts where the arrest was made, peacefully, apparently, according to attorney general merrick garland, he did not resist arrest at all. this brings up the question, how did he get access to this. it is incredible to think that a 21-year-old national guard airman would have access to this level of classified documents, the one thing that appeased me in the very slightest way, ken, is that he was identified as somebody who works in the intelligence wing of the massachusetts air national guard. i mean, it's better than somebody, i guess, in the generic wing i don't know how to redefine that, but come on. how does this happen >> so, yeah, that goes to some distance to explaining this. we should remember, you know,

enlisted members of the military can be 18 years old, and entrusted with great responsibility, the responsibility to take life, and in this case, they can be afforded high level security clearances and access to very sensitive information. what's sort of mind boggling about this, though, is that it's one thing for him to have access to sensitive information related to his job, but we're sitting here wondering what the war in ukraine, what the cia's view of what was happening in israel, or south korea, what that has to do with an airman's job at a national guard wing, even an intelligence unit on a base in cape cod that, the dod needs to explain, and it's possible that he didn't have lawful access to this material it's possible that, you know, it was given to higher level people and he show got access to it either way, it's a startling breach of security, ten years after edward snowden walked out of a national security agency facility with thousands and thousands of classified documents. >> again, i want to reiterate

what you said, this is something that he posted on an online chat room essentially he wanted to show off to his friends, look what i have access to i mean, it begs the question what was he thinking i mean, surely the pentagon has all sorts of, i guess, educational seminars, you're taught what you can and can't talk about, particularly if you work in the intelligence wing, right? >> you're raising another great point, the question of whether the pentagon and the intelligence community really understands all the people they're granting these high level clearances to. after snowden, they created this system of so called continuous monitoring, where they were going to look at people's social media, look at their bank accounts, not just once every five years for a security clearance review, but continuously, clearly, whatever is happening in that space is not enough not only was this person sharing this material, he had, according to the people talking to the "post" and "times," had

extremist views. he told them that the buffalo supermarket massacre was allowed to happen by the u.s. government this is a person that we have entrusted with our secrets he's not the only one. there was a problem with extremism in the u.s. military and intelligence community that's another issue our leaders need to grapple with the big question is do we have control of our secrets. >> and remind us again where this was first posted, ken, and how long was it up there before being disseminated, really around the world. >> right it was posted to a chat room on a gaming platform called discord, which allows users to create their own private chat rooms, and according to the people, again, who talked to the "washington post" this person began first transcribing versions of these documents, typing them out himself, more than a year ago. and then he began posting the actual documents, and so as far as we can tell, the u.s. government had no idea that was

happening. it was only after somebody in that tight knit chat room, uploaded the documents to another chat room with a larger group of people, and then in one case, they migrated to a chat room, the main topic was the game mine craft, then the documents started to leak out, and made their way to journalists and the u.s. government figured this out. that is another sort of amazing aspect of this these documents were out there on the internet, albeit in a closed chat room without the u.s. having any idea, alex. >> i'll tell you what it creates in my mind, the extent to which there are so many challenges to try to find everything that's out there online, on social media, and being able to monitor that i mean, you always think it's a next to impossible job to do effectively, and here's one example of that, that it was out there. another question is how long were they monitoring this airman teixeira how long were they on to him before the arrest just a short while ago? >> what we believe is they only

got on to him after the leak became public. we started reporting on it, and the dod and fbi started investigating. we don't have any evidence that they knew about him before a week ago, say, when the stories first started emerging, and to your point about chat rooms, it's a really difficult problem. the fbi, the doj would need a warrant, a search warrant to access a private chat room they need probable cause to believe a crime was being committed because americans have free speech rights, they have a right to their private conversations. this is a devilish problem for the intelligence community when you get a security clearance, you give up some of your rights, you afford your bosses the ability to search your social media, but the other people in the chat room don't give up their rights, so that's the dilemma, i don't mean to suggest this is an easy problem for intelligence agencies to deal with. it's a very hard problem. >> multilayered problem. ken stand by, you have see we have courtney kube, senior pentagon correspondent you know there was the news

conference about this, this briefing received multiple questions about the leak, but understandably stayed tight lipped, they have referred most of the questions to the doj. what do we know about the pentagon operations at this point? >> reporter: so basically, we don't know very much, as you said, alex, but we know based off the last week or so since this was first disclosed that these documents were on this discord database, ever since then, the pentagon, whether it's department of defense or joint staff, they have been looking at how far documents like this are distributed around the world tho there is a policy that you are only supposed to, if you have a security clearance, you're still only supposed to be able to access documents on a need to know basis well, what this case may show, again, we're still just in the very early stages of learning about this alleged leaker, but what this may show is that that process may have broken down here if you have someone who is assigned to an intelligence unit at cape cod, it seems that this

young man was, it's difficult to imagine that he would have a job where he would need access to this large of a number of documents. it's possible that he was some sort of an intelligence analyst or perhaps an i.t. specialist that gave him access, but the fact that it appears that he was able to then print them out without any accountability, it just really shows a break down in this entire process here. so, again, we don't know a whole lot about him. as ken mentioned, he was born after 9/11, which is a pretty amazing statistic, 21 years old, assigned to the air national guard. viewers are surprised that a 21-year-old would have security clearance. that's not uncommon. as part of the clearance, he would have to sign a nondisclosure and swear that he would not provide these kinds of documents. clearly with that clearance, by

providing these documents in any kind of a forum to anyone who was not at the same clearance level would be violating the law, so again, we didn't learn a whole lot more from the briefing, the department of defense was referring most to doj, now that we have heard from merrick garland, we may get a little bit more detail. >> so here's the question, how seriously potentially and i'll ask you this courtney first, but, ken, you may know given the legal aspect of things how seriously might the pentagon come down on airman jack teixeira, if he's gone in and intentiona intentionally delved for these documents and got them if they were not at the ready for him, if he's gone in and got them intentionally, how serious will that be viewed? >> it seems this is a criminal, and i'm definitely stepping on ken's toes here, but it seems this is a criminal act so this is going to be handled in the

civilian law enforcement and not in the military. if in fact, he will most likely given criminal charges, he will most likely be separated from the military i suspect they're going to handle this in a civilian justice system. >> ken, you concur with that >> absolutely. and i think this is very clearly an espionage act case. when you use the term espionage, people think of spying for a foreign government but that law covers unauthorized disclosure of national defense information. and it carries very stiff penal penalties. i was about to google what they are, it carries life in prison, it's the most powerful tool the government has in its arsenal for people who leak classified information. this person who was arrested is facing a tough legal road ahead. >> you have to wonder what they were thinking, when jack teixeira, because when you look at the content of the documents that were released, to what extent do you have the details on that in addition to what i'm

reading here in one report this is from ap, and it says that among the things that were released were briefing slides, mapping out ukrainian military positions. that's serious >> it's very serious, and this is something with his security clearance, he would be well trained, it stands to reason that anybody out there would know that classified documents should not be provided on any kind of a server, public or private. he would have been well trained on the rules surrounding this, and he would have known that he's not allowed to print things out and take them out of a secure facility. he's not allowed to post them anymore. and frankly, with this training, that would have been drilled into his head. so he clearly knew, now, that being said, the motive here may not matter when it comes to the actual prosecution i don't know, if they can prove that he was the one who did this, it almost may not matter why he did it.

>> within the halls of the pentagon there, courtney, how much are they concerned about the level to which our allies are ticked off about this because of compromising information that's been released >> so, you know, when you talk to officials about it, they insist that they've spoken to allies, they have been making all of these calls, and that everyone is -- there hasn't been any real friction. that it seems that they have been appreciative of the fact that the u.s. is coming forward and apologizing and being forward leaning about this once they found out about it. that being said, there are some really awkward conversations that have had to be had about this, and probably are still going to you think about the documents about the south korean government, there's about to be a state dinner here very soon. >> awkward. >> extremely >> the reality is even if it doesn't cause some big diplomatic ripple, it does cause -- it's awkward and the

fact that some of this information was clearly gathered from allies, you have to wonder if going forward if the allies will be less and less likely to share information, and again, we have been talking about this since these documents were first disclosed about a week ago it always has the potential for drying up sources and methods, so if there was something in these documents that was gathered by something like an intercept. they were listening to a cell phone and able to gather a piece of information once these things go public, that cell phone call, that cell phone line may dry up or lines or intelligence gathering that sometimes could be very very beneficial to the u.s. government and to allies if those dry up, that's not insignificant here no matter how the military officials or u.s. officials want to try to down play the significance here, it does have ripple effects, alex. >> it 100% does. i'm thinking specifically about what was alleged in these papers about egypt, and how this is an ally to which we support to the tune of a billion in change. you probably know the exact

amount that we give military support to egypt and yet they were supposed to be considering sending 40,000 rockets to ukraine. i mean, pardon me, to russia against ukraine? i mean, you think that's a violation given what we're doing for them, and for them to counter what we've said the entire, you know, what we're trying to do there in ukraine. i mean, it just -- they've had to come back and say, oh, no, no, we deny this i mean, the whole thing is just so murky now. >> there's a whole other line of reporting to be done about some of the documents that came out and things that didn't actually happen keep in mind, some of these are a snapshot in time, a piece of information that was gathered on that one date but didn't necessarily happen, something l like, you know, the rockets that egypt may have been considering. what we don't know is what happened after this briefing came out you know, was the u.s. able to have conversations with egypt and talk them out of doing this. but, i mean, again, that's the

one thing about intelligence that people may forget is a lot of these slides are literally a snapshot in time and may not have even frankly come true or played out the way that they were expected to. >> that's good to know ken, with regard to legally what airman teixeira is facing right now, how quickly will a case like this move because courtney's indicated and i believe you concurred that this will not go through military court this will go there civilian court? >> that seems to be the way it's going. attorney general merrick garland announced that he will make an initial appearance in federal district court in massachusetts, so yes and i was just looking at the espionage act. there are different aspects of t depending on the motive, as to courtney's point, and this is an interesting case this airman is going to argue that his motive was not to harm the united states. if you're convicted of that, it could be the death penalty or 30 years in prison. other parts where you disclose classified information, one of the charges listed in the warrant used to search

mar-a-lago, donald trump's compound, the penalty there is ten years in prison, nonetheless, a very serious charge but another difficult issue with all cases involving classified information in federal court is that the government doesn't want to air secrets and so the defendant often has some leverage there. in this case, less so because he disclosed documents, but if there are other documents in his possession he did not disclose, the government is not going to want to have those in open court. that could limit their trial strategy should they take it to trial. that's always a complicating factor, and makes these cases take longer than a normal criminal case. >> i just want to let you both know that allie raffa is joining us from washington to give us reaction from the biden administration to what we've learned in this last very pivotal 30 muninutes or so what do you know about that? >> that's something we're continuing to wait for we know the president briefly comments on this, of course

before the arrest of the suspect earlier today, this morning, he simply said essentially that he wasn't concerned about the information in the leak of these classified documents because it's not contemporaneous with any of the intelligence gathering that's going on right now. but right now, that is still something that we're waiting for, this new reaction from the white house since the arrest of the suspect, something we have reached out to the white house for and waiting on. >> i thank you for that update, and as well for the conversation with you both, courtney, ken, thank you so much on this breaking news. we're going to stay on top of it, as soon as we hear anything from the white house, more reaction from the doj or pentagon, we'll bring that as well. meantime coming up, former president trump is back in new york and currently under oath. we're going to get more details on what he's talking about in a civil case and ask the question, could this civil case turn into a criminal one we'll ask after a break.

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we're going to be in new york where former president donald trump is questioned under oath in a civil fraud lawsuit brought by new york attorney general letitia james. trump arrived at the attorney general's office shortly before 10:00 a.m. a different set of circumstances from his court appearance last week when trump was facing a 34 count criminal indictment. so today's deposition is part of a lawsuit brought last september in which the new york ag alleges that trump, his children ivanka, donald jr. and eric as well as the trump organization were involved in a massive scheme that inflated their wealth in order to receive favorable bank loans. all three of trump's children named in the suit have given depositions while ivanka and don jr. provided answers, eric pled the fifth in response to more than 500 questions the deposition will be private today, so the details will not be immediately known according to people familiar with trump's thinking who spoke

to the "new york times," mr. trump is not expected to assert his fifth amendment right. james is seeking $250 million in damages as well as a ban on trump and his family from doing any kind of business here in new york state joining me now msnbc legal analyst, lisa reuben welcome, good to have you. we know that this is the second time he's been deposed in this case the last time around really eric was echoing what he did, he pled the fifth hundreds of times. sources say he will not do that this time. why not? why is it to his advantage to answer the questions this time when he didn't the first time? >> i don't know that it's to his advantage, but i'll take you behind what i think his calculus is in a civil case, unlike a criminal case, an invocation of the fifth amendment can be used against you. when donald trump first gave his deposition in this case, there actually hadn't been a complaint filed yet. the attorney general can take presuit discovery to inform her information, and that's what she was doing. he knows what the charges, i'm

sorry, he knows what the claims are against him in this civil case now given that, he might decide particularly because his empire is at risk, it makes more sense to testify because if he doesn't, at trial, tish james and her folks can use that against him, use his silence. >> like a prejudice of the jury he never wanted to answer questions, so what is that implying in a criminal case that matters. in a civil case you can never get away with that >> the goal being they want to get a quarter billion dollars, in addition to prevents the trump inc. whole community, the former president and his children, anyone from operating any kind of business in new york how would that work? i mean, trump inc., isn't it based here >> yeah, absolutely. trump inc., trump has tried to establish a bunch of businesses that are incorporated in delaware, and headquartered in florida and the thought is that he's trying to slowly but surely

migrate his empire to different states' jurisdiction, however, if trish james wins this massive scheme to defraud case, that will be impossible for trump his whole empire is technically at risk here, his ability to control his own assets and destiny is on the line, alex. >> that's a big statement. practically, what does that mean >> shecould effectively shut down trump's ability to operate in new york, and as you note, as we sit here today, the trump organization functionally is headquartered in new york. if he can't serve as an officer or director of any of his companies, and he can't move them either, his hands are tied and his wealth is beyond his control. >> oh, boy okay lisa reuben, there's going to be a lot to talk about on this one. we'll have you back soon thank you for that. also coming up, breaking news out of san francisco where a suspect in the fatal stabbing of tech executive bob lee is now under arrest we're minutes away from a press conference there

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jury selection is underway right now in a monumental case against one of the country's biggest broadcasters dominion voting systems wants

$1.1 billion against fox news. a court in delaware where the final 12 along with six alternates will be seated and they will hear the full case joining me now from wilmington is nbc news digital reporter jane timm, i understand you got ahold of the questions they're asking today what can you tell us >> the just over 200 jurors expected to be seated will be asked to read this seven, eight-page document and answer, are you saying yes to any of these questions, let me read you a few of these questions it's truly fascinating things like, do you personally know any employees of dominion or fox or have you been employed by them, they ask if you have personal opinions on mike lindell, rudy giuliani, sidney powell, or any people who might be identified at trial they list out every lawyer and potential witness, asking do you have an opinion on these people already. they also ask things like have you ever worked in a newsroom, i

guess you and i could probably not serve as jurors. they also ask things like is there any reason you cannot give this case your undivided attention, have you ever volunteered at a polling place these things are not disqualifying as i should say, but if you say yes, judge, i answered yes to one of these questions, they're going to pull you into a conference room, which question, why, would it affect your ability to be an impartial juror in this case >> this makes you wonder if they're going to get it wrapped up today, which i know was the goal because i did read of the first 82 delaware residents that were together there and being polled, 23 of them got the all clear. the rest of them were all going to have to be taken aside and asked the specific questions to see if there is a bias there. i mean now you're saying there are over 200 i don't know if this is going to get wrapped up today tomorrow we'll see you'll continue doing your job, and i'll come back to work tomorrow as well thank you, jane. let's go to other breaking news,

and this is quite serious. we're awaiting an update from the police and mayor in san francisco after an arrest was made in the killing of cashapp founder bob lee. police arrested the suspect in emery, california. lee was fatally stabbed in the early hours on april 4th the president of the city's board of supervisors tells nbc bay area that the killing apparently was not a random act. joining me now from los angeles is nbc news correspondent niala charles. welcome, and i'm curious what we expect to learn from this press conference, and do we know yet why the supervisor believes the killing may have been targeted >> yeah, we're hoping to learn more about that in the press conference that is expected to start shortly here about more specifics about the suspect. we do know that suspect was arrested early this morning, and again, that's according to the city's board of supervisors president who says that this was

not a targeted attack. it's been, of course, more than a week since bob lee was stabbed in san francisco around 2:30 a.m. since then we know police have been asking the public to come forward with surveillance footage saying that it's important in the case, and also we know that since then the daily mail.com has surveillance footage moments after lee was stabbed. in it he appears to try to flag down a car but that car does not stop he tries to flag that car, it appears for help, and after that he's seen outside of a condominium complex, alex, with this press conference, hoping to get more information the d.a., though, has told us, one of the key components of the investigation is actually his cell phone that police were hoping to use to track down his movements leading up to the stabbing alex. >> you make a very good point. again, that podium we were showing everybody, mayor london breed and the d.a. of san francisco, brook jenkins, we'll take you there and monitor as well thank you so much from los angeles. we're turning back to the

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law enforcement officials tell nbc news the arrest has been made for the 21-year-old air national guardsmen accused of leaking classified u.s. intelligence, even though

authorities say that the suspected leaker, you know, he's been identified but the big question remains, how does this complicate u.s. efforts to support ukraine. i have a new other questions to ask this gentleman right now we have democratic congressman from connecticut, jim himes, the ranking member on the intelligence committee how does this complicate things for ukraine, the fact that this is out there, has been out there for some time? i mean, we've talked about closing offlines of communication, those that we may have had and intelligence that were helping us. that might be one thing that falls by the wayside >> that's right, anytime you have a situation like this, and i need to say it right up front. we don't know what's authentic we don't know, some appear to be altered. it's really too early to jump to a conclusion what we worry about is the fact that can't get too detailed here, but we worry about the fact that we are helping the ukrainians, and one of the ways we're helping the ukrainians is by advising them on what they might expect, right, and if we lose the ability to predict what targets in ukraine may be, what the russians may or may not be

up to, that means more dead ukrainians so this is, you know, i'm still not sort of feeling calm about this because, you know, i started doing intelligence when snowden did his thing over a decade ago this is actually a lead that could have a real impact for courageous men on the battlefield. that is not okay. >> we're going out to san francisco right now and speak with those that are briefing us on what happened this is the police department in san francisco. we'll also be hearing from the d.a. and mayor london breed, in the case of bob lee. an arrest has been made in his murder. >> responded to the 300 block of main street for a report of a stabbing officers arrived on scene and located the victim later identified as 43-year-old robert lee suffering from an apparent stab wound officers rendered aid and summoned medics to the scene mr. lee was transferred to

zuckerberg san francisco general hospital with life threatening injuries despite efforts by first responders and medical personnel, mr. lee died from his injuries the san francisco police department homicide detail responded and took over the investigation. our homicide investigators developed information that identified the suspect as 38-year-old nema momini of emeryville, california we can confirm that mr. lee and mr. momini knew each other however, we will not be able to provide further details at this time regarding the evidence that confirms that information. this morning, members of the san francisco police department's investigations bureau and tactical unit served several search warrants and an arrest warrant in san francisco and emeryville, california mr. momini was taken into custody without incident in emeryville, california he was transported to the san francisco county jail and booked

on one charge of murder. california penal code section 187a i would like to remind everybody that this is still an open and ongoing investigation. and we will not be able to provide further details at this point. before i turn this over to our district attorney, i want to assure everyone that our investigators have been working tirelessly to make this arrest and bring this case to justice for the lee family and his loved ones just as we would for every homicide that occurs in this city i'd like to thank our homicide investigators led by detective brett dittmer and detective thomas mcwilliams, also lieutenant calvin sanders and our entire homicide team who have worked not only on this case but all of our open cases you know, i said from the start that i have every confidence in the men and women and the members that work homicide they have an 85% clearance rate

year to date, and that is expected to go to 92% because we just solved the 1994 case yesterday as well. >> all right everybody, we've gotten the headline from that, that suspect has been arrested and identified in the stabbing murder of the cashapp founder bob lee. that happened on april 4th the name is nema momini, a 38-year-old from emeryville, california, and there has been some reporting, was not confirmed in this news conference just yet that we're going to be monitoring in our control booth as well that this person was a fellow tech exec. so we will get some confirmation of that. again, 38-year-old from emeryville, california, arrested in the murder of bob lee, the cashapp founder that happened on april 4th in san francisco we're going to get back to our top story because i'm joined in the studio by congressman jim himes, talking about that leak so we've talked about what this

can do to ukraine, our efforts there, all that's out there, when you have people in the spy craft world, how they may not trust the united states as much. but the big question is also how this 21-year-old national guardsman, air national guardsman, jack teixeira was able to get his hands on this kind of information. the one thing i was somewhat comforted by is he does work in the cyber security area. we've gotten a look at his actual papers and what he is described as is a cyber transport systems journeyman now, specifically we don't know exactly what that means, but at least he's got something to do with this arena. the question is how is it that he would think it was okay to do this how is it that he would be able to get through what you would assume would be multiple layers of security to access this kind of secretive information >> yeah, you know, the first question is hard to answer

people will always do stupid things for money, you know, for any number of motives, ideological motives. in this case, if "the washington post" reporting is to be believed, he was trying to impress a bunch of people in a chat room. your second question is the key one for me as an overseer of the intelligence community which is how in the world, first of all, did he have access to this information, it's not clear to ne sitting in massachusetts he net necessarily needed to know what was happening on the battlefield in ukraine, we don't know the facts, but if he was able to print stuff out, take photographs of it, that is things we can fix. you know, it's not just from my stand standpoint, it's not just what happened on the ukrainian battlefield, it's our allies we rely on relationships of trust with our allies. the five i's in particular, but all of our allies. if you're an ally, you're thinking i wonder if the united states can keep the secret safe. >> given for position as ranking member on the intel committee, what do you know about the level

to which there's scrutiny on distribution lists what if this guy because he was supposed to be a cyber transport system journeyman? . >> there is a lot more we can do technologically. remember the case of a reality winner, who printed out documents, and there were coding on documents that allowed it to be traced back to her. anytime a document is printed that should be auditable there's questions about whether this individual should have had access to this stuff we don't know the answers. there's a couple of categories of things. intelligence is valuable when it's shared. there have got to be limits. again, if third-degs had been a sophisticated russian attack, with the best computer scientists, it was thnot. it was a 21-year-old trying to impress kids in the chat room that worries me. technology that loallows, in th era of chatgpt, the notion that

this may have been online for months without our intelligence community knowing about it or the fbi knowing about it is really concerning to an jo overseer. >> do you have an idea when they specifically became aware of it? was the united states, was our intelligence unit, were we the first to become aware of it? >> we had an open briefing with the department of defense yelled which the department of defense said they became aware of it on april 4th. there's evidence to believe that this was out there, again, "washington post" story, they did a lot of work, evidence to believe that this might have been out there in the wild for a couple of months before the department of defense learns about it in the first week of april. again, it's a little complicated. we don't really want intelligence agencies, maybe the military cycling across allover our social media and that stuff n a world of sophisticated technology, that shouldn't happen. >> how much does this raise the question, though, of the problem, the challenges, i guess is a better way to put it for cyber security and intelligence here in the united states to

monitor that which is going on you remember first, there was a theory that this has come from a foreign operative. it didn't. it came from somebody in massachusetts. >> that's right. and yeah, we can talk about artificial intelligence and what technology will allow us to make it impossible to print out documents if you're not entitled to identify documents. there's lots of technology that can help us with this issue. you come down to the fact that it would appear allegedly, you had a 21-year-old national guardsman who just printed this stuff out. this is not complicated stuff. as an overseer, if it's that easy, what about the folks who are professionals and very very good at this, what are they able to access, and there's a potentially scary answer to that question >> let me ask you before you go, is this going to get bipartisan support you think on the intel community? there's nobody going to be dissenting on this one is this. >> mike turner, who's the chairman, my republican counter part, he does not think about these things in partisan terms we're working hard to make sure national security does not get caught up in the political and

partisan polarization which is sadly too much of the story in washington. >> very good to hear representative jim himes, always good to hear from you. thank you very much. a great deal of the leaks in the documents were about the war in ukraine. joe manchin who led a bipartisan delegation to ukraine addressed the breach in a press conference on wednesday >> we're concerned everyone's concerned about that. and it's a challenge it's a challenge that we have to overcome and our support is unwavering and as they have to make their adjustments, we're going to make sure we're able to adjust with them. >> joining me now from kyiv is former adviser to ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, igor novakav, begive me your reaction, somebody in the u.s., working for the military and nona foreign operative >> alex, first of all, it's usually the blunders like these that attract attention to certain specifics within the system that need to be fixed,

and i was just listening in to your conversation. i can tell you every single time i hear the document being printed out, a classified document in the 21st century is just mind blowing. we can do much better than that using all of the technology available. secondly, there's a reason classified information is classified, and usually the leaks cost human lives, so this is bad but i think everyone including ukraine and the united states need to focus on lessons learned and what we do to kind of minimize the damage from this and that's doable. >> give me sense how worried ukrainian leadership is about the nature of these leaks and what they think they can do to counter what's gotten out there? could it affect spring military counter offensives >> well, counteroffensives? >> alex, let me put it this way to you it's a sensitive issue if i say we're very concerned and if it's damaging that means i'm verifying information that's

out there. to be honest, the information that's been leaked can be falsified and it's incredibly difficult, nearly impossible to verify it. we treat it with a healthy dose of skepticism and we -- >> igor, tell me about the competing claims over the city of bakhmut the city has fall en into the hands of russian militants how critical is bakhmut? >> well, bakhmut has been a very dangerous zone for the area. for people that claim that it's unnecessary to hold bakhmut, let me just ask you one simple question if that city is not important, why is russia bleeding itself dry trying to capture it

it's not a major town. for us, it's incredibly simple for us, every piece of ukrainian land is important. then another town becomes the new bakhmut. so it's the fight for our life we need to face them somewhere we face them where we face them. >> igor, i know you were there and you heard senator manchin talk about all of the adjustments that need to be made relative to this leak, but in general when you see the presence of high-level u.s. diplomats, how much does that help buoy the spirits of the ukrainians >> it helps a lot. especially now for some time now the informational landscape and the political landscape that we see from here in the united states has become tripartisan in that kind be of situation, keeping bipartisan support and attention is a matter of survival so we're incredibly happy that our friends come and

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far beyond politics. they were brothers in arms, graduating in 2004 they proudly served the nation in years that followed. >> does it feel like you're family >> any time you go through this four year, intense, kind of crazy experience, you form a bond. >> we all wore the red, white and blue our goal was to graduate, number one, beat the team. >> beat navy. >> when the planes struck the world trade center, 9/11 pushed them towards a lifetime of service. >> as the buildings fell, it was a cloud that was over us we all knew this was no longer a training process, we are actually going to go fight a war for our country. >> today they say it's those shared experiences that help them recognize the need to reach across the aisle at a time when many divides in congress run deep. >> sometimes we'll get a little funny look when i go over to the other side or john comes over to our side or wes comes over people are like, oh, you guys are actually talking

we're like, yeah we're roommates across the halls. >> during orientation we had a class photo. two republicans and one democrat taking a picture together because we have a bond that transcends all politics. >> trust is shot in this country, particularly between the political parties. patrick and i are not always going to agree wes and i are not always going to agree on things i know they will never deliberately hope me. >> they say their goal is to use the west point bond for good >> for me, it's very personal. one of my soldiers, i brought him home safely from 12 months of combat only to have him take his own life, and what a failure that is that wecouldn't get that right as a country. >> we're beginning to work on veterans mental health issues and we're working as colleagues across the aisle to make sure that the nation doesn't turn their back when folks come back

from overseas. >> is it too ideal is stick to imagine that this might be the seeds of some bipartisanship >> if we cannot make that work, then shame on us. >> yeah. >> shame on our democracy. that's what we're here for. >> are we going to agree on everything absolutely not yes, we have some work to do, but i think the three men sitting up here right now are willing to do the work because i want to see the same progress that we see in the past few generations two, three, four, five, six generations from now >> that was trumaine lee reporting. what a great example of bipartisanship right there that's it for me today i'll see you back here saturday noon eastern, sunday, 1 p.m. eastern but "deadline white house" starts right now. hi there, everyone it's 4:00 in new york and so it begins the search for 12 jurors and 6 alternates is now underway in that 1 point