the focus group, in general, has expressed concern about overreach of republicans, period, especiallyrelated to abortion weaponization, claims of the federal government and culture war issues. >> yeah, all of this coming amid the florida legislature and governor desantis signing a six-week ban really interesting politics. we have the wisconsin supreme court race, again hingiing on abortion fascinating time to follow the ins and outs of the republican side of the ledger thank you, eugene scott, for unpacking it for us. for "axios," senior politics reporter eugene scott. thank you for getting up "way too early" with us on this friday morning appreciate your viewership "morning joe" starts right about now. mom, you said it would happen as a proud son, well, you knew

i'd be coming. it's so good to be back in ireland. forgive my poor attempt at irish. i'm at home. i'm at home. after my aged, as you can see how old i am, i have a little wisdom i have more experience than any president in american history. doesn't make me better or worse, but it gives me few excuses. >> president joe biden bringing some jokes with him during a speech yesterday to the irish parliament the president wraps up his visit to ireland today, marking 25 years since the good friday agreement, which ended decades of violence. meanwhile, at home, the fbi arrested a 21-year-old air national guardsman who is suspected of leaking national documents. we'll sort through how that young man got his hands on the

documents. plus, florida governor ron desantis took a break from his nationwide book tour to sign an extreme abortion ban into law late last night. we will dig into the legislation, and how it could impact his potential presidential campaign. also ahead this morning, what we are learning about donald trump's long day in new york yesterday after sitting for eight hours of questioning at the state attorney general's office good morning welcome to "morning joe. it is friday, april 14th with us this morning, pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post," eugene robinson former white house director of communications to president obama, jennifer palmieri and white house editor for "politico," sam stein. and joe joins us from ireland, where, today, president biden will wrap up that trip beginning in dublin. the president will make his way to his family's ancestral home, where joe is now president biden will deliver remarks this evening outside a cathedral. the bbc reports a crowd of

20,000 is expected to line the streets for that event following those remarks, the president will return to dubli t joe, it's good to see you there. set the scene for us >> yeah. well, i'll tell ya what, i'm standing in front of what looks like mike barnicle's second home in nantucket just a wee bit larger. i'm telling you , it's been such a joyful, joyful trip for joe biden and for the people of ireland. you can see that in the headlines. i know back in the states, a lot of people focusing on a few gaffes they're not focusing on that in ireland. you see here a very irish welcome for president biden. just had a joyous welcome to parliament yesterday in fact, the front page story here, it said biden's happiness and enthusiasm was so infectious because it was obviously so sincere. joe biden has had headlines like

this since he first got here "biden joy." it's been, again, a moment that joe biden has enjoyed immensely. people in the white house have been saying for some time that this trip is actually a trip he's looked forward to the most since getting into the white house. he appears very, very comfortable here in ireland. the people of ireland also very comfortable. tyler pager wrote in "the washington post" late last night, biden may have been born in scranton, pennsylvania, spent a half century in washington, and owned two houses in delaware, but this week, ireland sounded like his true native land quote, it feels wonderful. it feels like home, he said wednesday afternoon. it feels like home, he said in the evening. when you're here, you wonder why anyone would ever want to leave. as we just heard, biden also told parliament, i'm at the end of my career, not the beginning,

as he was growing reflective the only thing i bring to this career at my age, as you all can see how old i am, it's a little bit of wisdom. i come to the come with more experience than any president in american history that doesn't make me better or worse. but it gives me few excuses. so we're going to actually be catching up with the president, willie, later today in county mayo we're going to talk to him, obviously, about the historic peace accord signed 25 years ago when we get up there but, for now, going to be following, obviously, news throughout the day here in ireland. >> joe, we'll be sitting down with president biden later today in an interview that we will bring you monday on "morning joe. we'll be back to joe in a moment. back at home, the justice department has arrested a 21-year-old air national guardsman in connection with the leak of highly classified documents online the documents, some of which may have been altered, included assessments of the war in

ukraine. nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell, has details. >> reporter: backed up by an armored s.w.a.t. vehicle with guns drawn, a 21-year-old airman was arrested working in the i.t. in the intelligence wing, who the government says is the source of the major intelligence leak. >> the justice department arrested jack douglas teixeira in connection with an investigation into alleged, unauthorized removal, retention and transmission of national defense information. >> reporter: "the washington post" was first tor the moniker "o.g.," shared classified intelligence, including photos of the leaked documents in a private group of mostly young men in discord, an online chat platform popular with video gamers an anonymous member said it was populated by gun enthusiasts who often shared memes. >> i don't think there was a goal in sharing these documents.

of course, there was some anti-government sentiment. >> reporter: teixeira enlisted 3 1/2 years ago. the anonymous group member said he was a natural leader but not a whistleblower. >> o.g. was not hostile to the u.s. government. however, he disagreed with several things, such as waco and ruby ridge, and thought that the government is overreaching in several aspects. there was no heavy snowden-like conspiracy here, like some people may believe. >> reporter: the leaked intelligence was online for months, with photos of classified documents visible for weeks. some was in public. >> clearly, the administration was slow on the uptake how was it not discovered, and how is it an individual like this could have the access they did? >> reporter: in ireland, president biden downplayed the impact. >> i'm not concerned about the leaked documents i'm concerned that it happened there was nothing contemporaneous that i'm aware of that is of great consequence. >> reporter: according to "the new york times," one of the leaks reveals broad in-fighting in the kremlin over the scale of their casualties in ukraine.

"the washington post" is reporting the u.s. expects the war to continue into next year kristen welker asked poland's prime minister about that. >> is that your assessment >> i think so, too russia has huge and vast natural resources, human resources. >> reporter: now, the pent agon is reviewing who has access to top secrets. >> we do have stringent guidelines in place for safeguarding sensitive and classified information this was a deliberate criminal act, a violation of those guidelines if there are any areas where we need to tighten things up, we certainly will >> andrea mitchell reporting there. let's bring in former supreme allied commander of nato, retired four star navy admiral james stavridis. chief analyst for nbc news good to see you this morning two parts to this. just how damaging some of this information is president biden downplaying that in ireland yesterday then, just how a 21-year-old air national guardsman got access to

it, was able to distribute it and leave it up on a social media platform, it appears, for months. >> i'm going to go with door number two as the bigger problem. i think that, as you look at what will come out of this, there'll be some significant, tactical information that flows across the wires to russia russia will use this to try to drive wedges between the u.s. and some of our allies who are nape named in it. there will be some heightened awareness of the war and so forth. that basket, i think, is smaller as a concern than the cla classi classification, the tightening up i think this is a fairly significant leak, willie, in terms of opening a new can of concerns here, you've got a very young individual who has access, somehow, perhaps through a burn bag, perhaps through his duties

in the i.t. world, but then he is printing it, carrying it out, photo copying it, and putting it in private chat rooms. that's a tough problem to crack from a counterintelligence perspective. i think the pentagon spokesman is right, you need to focus on the fact this is an insider threat all the sophisticatedcou counter cyber surveillance would not have stopped this. what would stop it is tracking who has that access. it is more a human personnel problem than it is a surveillance problem, willie >> yeah. the fact he even had access to it at 21 years old, as an air national guardsman, is concerning, as well. admiral, was there anything in what we've seen publicly -- and we want to be careful because we don't have all of it authenticated, what has been posted online. some of it, as i said, may have been altered but is there anything in there that surprised you it is not particularly surprising to you, i'm sure, we're conducting some

surveillance, even on our own allies was there anything in that there raised your eyebrow a bit? >> i think the number one thing that really stood out at me, and i've been tracking this, of course, more than perhaps the average person, but the repeatty which the ukrainians are using up their air defense systems i've said a long time, there's two wars at play here. the ground war, where the ukrainians are doing quite well with our help. we have a spring offensive coming there is an air war that hasn't really unfolded yet. putin has not really launched his air force against ukraine in big ways because he's afraid of getting planes shot down what you see, if it's accurate, and you're right to underline the voracity, knowability quotient here, but if it is accurate, the dropping down of those inventories concerns me. it's a message that we ought to

be putting more focus on that air war and, again, thinking consciously about getting fighter jets in the hands of the ukrainians >> jen palmieri, you've worked in white houses before obviously, edward snowden comes to mind during the obama administration, as well. we heard from the president over there in ireland, who said it doesn't look, from what he's heard and learned from his intelligence sources, that there's a lot of damaging information that was made public, but the concern remains, as the admiral underlines, that this guy even could get to the information to post it on social media. >> right part of the problem here is we're living in a digital world. this man is 21 yearscentury, right? even when things are in hard copy and kept offline, he figured out a way to get the materials out of the -- presumably out of his office, photos of them, get it back online i mean, i have an experience in

working in white houses with classified information, concerns about things being overly classified that means there's millions and millions of documents that are classified with the united states, that there could be a problem with overclassification. also, just access. i'm wondering, for the admiral, given this situation, are there any reforms that you think should be put in place that might prevent someone, you know, from his age -- i'm not sure what his job was in the intelligence unit with the air national guard was -- but that might prevent someone like him from getting access to this? >> yeah, it's the right question to be asking, jen. everybody is focused on that right now in the pentagon. you know, we've mentioned snowden a couple of times this morning. this one feels, to me, a little bit more like the wikileaks chelsea manning. to put that in perspective, chelsea manning provided 750,000

documents to wikileaks this is about 100 documents. why so small because he was using paper to move them. what we could doprove this is redouble our efforts, not only at how we give classified clearances to individuals, but in the post clearance phase, we need to be more observant of individuals. doesn't mean we want to turn our military into, hey, we're spying on each other, but it does mean that if you see something, if you hear something, say something. that's the way you can find these kind of insider threats. >> obviously, admiral stavridis, we are concerned about the leaks, concerned how long this information was up online, but let's talk about the substance of the leaks i know in the past, you've had people leaking documents that were meant to undermine u.s. efforts across the globe in this case, there was some talk it might undermine efforts

in ukraine if you look at the two or three big headlines that come out of this, number one is that russian commando units have been obliterated. second big headline is, a lot of russian infighting, the type of information we don't usually receive in the united states or in the west. a lot of russian infighting about how badly this war is going. the third thing that you brought up earlier was, ukraine needs more of our support. ukraine is running out of munitions to continue obliterating the russian army. seems to me, for the ukrainians, this is a win all across the board. >> i agree if you look at sort of the four buckets of people here that you just sketched, the united states, our allies, the russians and the ukrainians, the ones who are getting the most positive effect of this are going to be the ukrainians

this is going to, exactly as you say, put a spotlight on their needs. it also puts a spotlight on the shortfalls and the difficulties the russians are facing. in terms of the u.s. and our allies, couple headlines there look, in terms of nations spying on each other, it's like the movie "casa blanca." i'm shocked there's gambling in this house nations look on each other that will pass, and i think very quickly. yes, joe, i agree, my takeaway here in the real world is rkt le let's keep getting the help to the ukrainians we're at a critical point here. >> all right admiral jamesstavridis, as always, thank you for being with us willie, at least from everything i've heard here, from what we've been reading the past couple days, this story has been met, at least behind the scenes, with a collective yawn from most of our european allies. they know this sort of thing happens.

they're not thrilled about it, but at the same time, certainly, it's not the crisis that, say, the 2005 "washington post" stories about black sites during the iraq war and the war on terror caused. not a lot of consternation right now. >> sounds like an annoyance to south korea, israel, learning they were being spied on, something, frankly, they probably already knew. >> yeah. >> as the admiral said, the larger concern is now this guy got access to the documents and who else could dial in and get national security information and post it online we'll have much more on that story this morning also, in florida today, governor ron desantis signed a six-week abortion ban into law did that last night. in a move that may underscore just how controversial the bill is, desantis announced the decision with a tweet just after 11:00 p.m. hours after the ban was approved by the republican-controlled

state legislature. just 2 out of 28 republicans in the florida senate voted against the bill, which makes exceptions for pregnancies involving rape or incest up until 15 weeks. those exceptions, however, will only be allowed if a woman has documentation, like a restraining order or police report the bill does not change current exemptions for the life and death of the mother. still, though, up to 15 weeks the new law will only take effect if the state's current 15 week ban is upheld that ban, which desantis signed into law last year, is the subject of an ongoing legal challenge before florida's conservative-controlled supreme court.palmieri, this is just another chapter in what we've seen, really in the last couple weeks, but in the last almost year now since the overturning of roe in wisconsin's state legislature, abortion was a central issue. the texas judge puts on hold or

banning the abortion pill. now this in florida, a 6-week extreme abortion ban. >> the -- i mean, i love that desantis tweets this after 11:00 at night, as if people aren't going to notice. but the 15-week ban, which is also what the mississippi law was in the dobbs case, 15-week ban, a year and a half ago, we thought was extreme. lindsey graham offered that as the alternative, the moderate alternative, as you'll recall, in the midterms. even though politics was clearly against the republicans on this, like you see it in wisconsin, we saw it in the midterms every week, it seems there is an example of why it is bad politics for them. he goes with a 6-week ban because he thinks it'll be popular in a republican primary. there is the vice. the politics of this are clear,

but it is also -- we need to remember the impact the rulings on the abortion pills, the page kt -- the impacts it is having on women. you read off the list. if there is a rape or incest, how onerous it is for the woman to prove that. but when you look at the politics, the republicans intellectually will be saying, we've seen reporting on this we know we have a problem here we know the abortion positions are too extreme. but then you have people like desantis, you know, number two in the presidential primary, pushing forward with some more extreme bans >> joe, if ron desantis does run for president, if he somehow finds his way to the nomination, good luck pivoting to the general after this a 6-week abortion ban, something like a 15% position nationally

let's look at the state of florida and how it's changed even since you were in congress there. what do you make of this 6-week ban now in your home state >> well, it's going to be a problem for ron desantis like you said, any republican that gets behind this in a general election, we've seen this time and time again the republicans know what the politics are for an abortion ban in the general election. republicans apparently don't care florida is one of those states, again, we always think of it as a republican state we've always thought of it as a republican state then barack obama wins it. i think bill clinton won it one of the two times that he ran and i suspect, again, right now, it's breaking red. trump obviously won by three or four points there. but i will tell you, there are a lot of people in florida, as everybody watching this show knows, that moves down from the northeast, that moves down from

the midwest, that moves down from places that have a much more moderate view of the issue of abortion. they move forward anyway of course, as you noted, it's why he signed it at 11:00 at night. i suspect if this had come out right after the dobbs decision, before republicans understood the wicked backlash they're getting politically on these mere abortion bans, some of these more extreme bills, he may have signed it in the middle of the day, brought legislators around instead, signed it at 11:00 last night and tweeted out the picture. that is not a man who wants this to be front and center of the news today, but it is. eugene daniels -- i'm sorry -- eugene robinson. i'm in a different time zone here eugene robinson, you look at wisconsin. >> yeah. >> here's a state that i was calling, i think we were all

calling, perhaps, the tightest swing state in america just like it was said in 2000, it's florida, florida, florida it became wisconsin, wisconsin, wisconsin. yet, because of abortion, because of an 1849 ban there, an extreme abortion law in wisconsin, one of the most important state supreme court races in recent years turned into a blowout, an 11-point win for progressive forcesg that no coming, just like the kansas abortion referendum. nobody saw that landslide coming you just wonder why republicans in states like florida, in states like michigan, in states like wisconsin, keep moving in these extreme directions it always causes them to lose. >> it absolutely does. you saw it in wisconsin. that was a blowout in wisconsin terms. you saw it in kansas you saw it in kentucky

the deep red states, when abortion rights, when the basic constitutional right, in these cases the state constitutional right to abortion, is on the ballot, voters want it in their state constitution they want to protect that right. what desantis signed -- and, by the way, we did notice we saw, ron, that you signed this bill. this is as close to a complete abortion ban as you could really conceivably get, except for that 1849 law in wisconsin. i mean, the six weeks before, that's before a lot of women even know they're pregnant there are all these conditions, even on the rape and incest exceptions this is a radical, sort of hand

m made's tale abortion ban it'll be a millstone around ron desantis's neck. it won't hurt him in the primary, i guess, even though there are a lot of republicans who think that's going too far let say it helps him in the republican primary the general election, this is poison for him it really is republicans who think that they can get away with this sort of thing and not pay a price in general elections are whistling past the graveyard they really are. >> the white house reacted to florida's new abortion ban, calling it extreme and dangerous. the statement reads, the ban flies in the face of fundamental freedoms and is out of step with the views of the vast majority of the people of florida and of all the united states. we will continue to fight to protect access to abortion and defend reproductive rights sam stein, there is the primary issue here, which is women's

access to abortion care. florida had been an increasingly popular place, actually, for women who, in states where it was becoming harder to get an abortion, to go to florida now, that all changes. >> right. >> of course, there are the politics of this, which we've seen the fallout from. since roe, republicans seem to be clleaning into an extreme position. >> this lsupreme court ruling ws on the 19-week ban right now, you can still get an abortion in florida up to 15 weeks. it is probably going to be put down to six weeks, though. that is the issue here on the politics of it, look, it's pretty simple, right? we have now empirical data in wisconsin, the state supreme court race, abortion was a major issue. 2022 midterms, abortion was a major issue.

we had a referendum in kansas on abortion, in which voters turned out in kansas to uphold aborg ri abortion rights. we don't need much more real-world data to see how this will play politically. i'll add one small, tiny caveat to what eugene was saying. i'm not sure if i believe it myself, but ron desantis' real, sort of claim to win this nomination against trump is not that, necessarily, he is more conservative it's that he is more electable he is more electable in a general election than joe biden. i don't know if this necessaril helps him in a primary it might potentially hurt him. you know, if you're a republican voter, even a middle of the road republican voter, you now conceivably can say, wow, ron desantis right not be as electable in a general election as i thought he was. this will tangibly hurt his

standing in a general election i don't know how big of a deal it'll be in the context of the republican primary, but i don't know if it is a sure-fire win in that context just wanted to throw that out, as well. >> important point donald trump, largely, has stayed away from the abortion issue. >> right. >> remember, blamed pro lifers. >> he's not only stayed away, he affirmatively came out after the midterms and said, "hey, it's the fact that we didn't embrace exemptions for rape and incest that we lost "trump is a lot of things, but i don't think he is a total dummy on the politics of this matter i think he understands it's an albatross. maybe he is wrong and embraces the 6-week ban himself because you have to do that in the context of the republican primary. i think in the heart of their hearts, they know this is a political loser for them >> sam stein, great job on "way too early" this week hope you get sleep this weekend. you've earned it, my friend. >> appreciate it. ahead on "morning joe,"

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe. we are in county mayo, ireland, this morning going to be going to visit joe biden later on this afternoon. right now, we're at ashford castle on the shores of the republic of ireland's largest lake this is, of course, county mayo. behind us, this castle was built in 1228. sir benjamin lee guinness of the brewing dynasty purchased ashford in 1862. extended this out to 26,000 acres, built new roads and the planting of thousands of trees that brought, obviously, a lot of notables here during that period, the castle hosted the prince of wales, who subsequently became king george v, and several other dignitaries. ashford castle is now a resort president ronald reagan stayed here when he famously visited

ireland in 1984. i must say, obviously, just breathtaking breathtaking grounds here. also, joe biden has to love what he's received in terms of a welcome here a heartwarming welcome, "the irish times" calls it. a very irish welcome for president biden. the lead is, joe biden's big day out in dublin was a joy. let's bring in right now u.s. national editor of ""the financial times,"" ed luce i don't know what it is, maybe you can help me. there is something about ireland that seems to revive the spirit of every american president that comes here >> think of jfk's trip in 1963, which he described as "the happiest four days of my life. i think it's not just that people like kennedy and biden,

of course, have strong irish ancestry and heritage, it's that there is something about irishness. i feel, you know, a little fraudulent with an english accent talking about this, but i am married to, as you know, joe, an irish woman from county mayo, where you are right now, at least her people are originally from county mayo there is something about irishness. the hard scrapple, immigrant story, that links into the broader american creed, that sort of gives them something in the american creed, which biden taps into. he talks about being middle class is more of a value than a number he interweaves that with stories of his grandfather and stories of the passage across the atlantic i imagine this will be amongst the happiest three days of his presidency this is, you know -- i envy you being on this trip

>> yeah, it's been remarkable. it is something that jfk said his four days in ireland, 1963, were the four happiest days of his life because, as we got ready for this trip and were talking to the white house, they all said that the president was excited about coming and that he expected it to be his happiest time in the white house, even in politics ed, let's get to your latest piece for t piece for "the financial times." it is unclear if god almighty himself, as biden would say, could persuade ulster's democratic unionist party to embrace the deal's power-sharing formula that has left northern ireland rudderless for just under a year because of intransience and the effects of brexit, it is still

too early to proclaim one of the world's most celebrated peace deals a success. trying to shore it up, biden is doing more than just a favor to ireland. the decision to skip the london coronation sends a message to britain, europe and beyond the uk will get no trade deal with america if it jeopardizes the peaceful border between ireland's north and south. rishi sunak, britain's prime minister, has taken that to heart in his windsor framework deal biden, unlike trump, values the eu in biden's head undoubtedly, trump's, too, brex an brexit and trump's 2016 election were closely linked events there is no harm in the u.s. president reminding people on each side of the atlantic that alternative paths are available. ed, of course, the clintons are coming here, along with tony blair, to celebrate the 25th anniversary. we're going to be speaking with them this weekend, as well just an extraordinary peace

agreement 25 years ago what i find different about biden's visit, it seems that, in the past, ireland has been a place that presidents have loved to go, but their first allegiance was always with great britain. you do not get that sense with joe biden. he expects britain to do everything it can do to keep this peace treaty in place >> and i think he's right, too i mean, this was an ingenious peace deal it was negotiated between irish and british prime ministers over successive administrations of course, by the clinton administration between the communities on the ground in northern ireland and across the border with the republic it gave people in northern ireland, whether they were catholic or protestant, the

right to stand on ireland's side of this. look, britain has to uphold its side of the deal it's created peace for quarter of a century in a corner of ireland and great britain that has been suffering horrific strife and sectarian violence the previous 30 years it is very valuable. it is very precious. there's a little bit of tabloid complaining, that biden is not going to the coronation. of course, the first lady, jill biden, is going. biden did go to queen eliz

elizabeth's funeral. no american president has, in fact, ever been to a coronation of a british monarch they don't happen that often the last was in 1953 when biden was a child. so, i don't think anybody serious in britain thinks this is a snub to britain it is also pro-britain as well as pro-ireland to want to preserve the good friday agreement. it is a model peace agreement. >> ed, you know, i covered -- from london, i covered northern ireland years and years ago, before the good friday accords ian paisley and people like jerry adams. there was a lot of tension in belfast still. it wasn't active when i was covering it, but it was still will there what is the atmosphere like in belfast? then, between northern ireland and the republic of ireland?

>> as you probably noticed, gene, in the last few months, the percentage of northern irish who are catholic has overtaken the percentage of northern irish who are protestant, and that is a demographic change if you look at the traditional protestant parparties, like the dup, refusing to take part in the good friday agreement, they're intransigence. they're the political arm of the 17th century but if you look at younger protestants and catholics, quite different attitude they like the freedoms they've grown up with. they like the fact that they can cross the border without being checked, without having machine gun military posts looking at them i think there is also a democratic change being driven by the young the good friday agreement is the guarantor of their futures there is hope in that.

>> ed, we had some interesting comments coming out of china, out of beijing, when macron went there. some critical comments, actually, about the united states and behind the scenes mainly talking about how france and the rest of europe should work harder to build bridges with china there certainly was the undercurrent that they should do that without the prodding, without the assistance of the united states. talk about macron's meeting with china and the growing trends there. >> yeah, so macron went to beijing, met with xi jinping, and then on the way back, he gave an interview, sayingi ing essentially, we've got no dog in the taiwan fight we don't want to be a vessel of the united states, which is a fairly extraordinary thing to

say, given how much aid the united states is sending to ukraine. in which france very much has a dog in the fight also, given the degree to which china is backing russia. maybe not directly with arms supplies, but with diplomatic support. macr macron, as a lot of french presidents do, is wanting to create an independent foreign policy, and he wants to speech for europe but the response from other european leaders was really to pour cold water on what he said. not just the baltics, not just the ones close to russia that you'd expect, but the german foreign minister, for example, who is in china right now, on a trip to china. she said very much the opposite, that the future of taiwan is something europe is very interested in. she said the kind of things

you'd expect blinken or biden to say. i think macron might have miscat col miscalculated on this score. >> you do wonder, ed, how much of this was aimed for international audiences and how much of it was aimed for domestic audiences trying to flex his muscles, show strength, like you said, channelling his inner charles de gaulle who, of course, many watching this may not remember, but, actually, france declared itself neutral during the cold war between nato and the soviet union for a point. perhaps the protests in the streets may be one reason why he was doing that ed luce, thank you so much greatly appreciate it. willie, back to you. >> joe, all right. 4 million people remain this morning under flood arrests in south florida after historic rain slammed the region, leaving streets and an airport underwater let's bring in meteorologist

angie lassman. good morning this is some pretty serious weather down in florida. >> yeah, and it's been incredible video we've seen coming out of this historic rainfall event take a look at the some of the flooding across the ft. lauderdale area. parts of broward county, we saw the airport shut down after over 25 inches of rain fell in one day. that breaks the state record for the most rainfall in a 24-hour period the previous record was in key west, of course, from a tropical system we're finally getting a break for folks there. the radar is much quieter. we had a much more rounds of rain that occurred yesterday that, of course, isn't helping to see the flooding recede we'll likely see that happen through the day today and maybe into tomorrow. in the meantime, we continue to see the really concerning conditions for floods in that area now, meanwhile, a much different story for folks in the northeast and midwest. did you feel the heat wave in new york yesterday, we hit 90 degrees in central park. we haven't seen a temperature like that on this day since back in the '70s. it was a real warm kind of day

we're going to see another day like that today with temperatures 10, 20, even close to 30 degrees above where they should be for this time of year. we might see a couple records. new york headed to 86 degrees. the current record sits at 85 degrees. detroit is headed for 80 degrees and ends up with a record for this date of 81. we'll see what happens with that we're a little milder tomorrow, but still above the normal we'll kick off our weekend with nice conditions. spring gets back into the picture. new york ends up in the upper 60s by the time we head into the weekend and next week, willie. >> 90 degrees in central park. it was hot in the city yesterday. up and down we go. angie lassman, appreciate it have a great weekend. coming up, vice president kamala harris will deliver the key address at the national action network today the president of the organization, our friend rev ral sharpton, joins us next. a prominent democrat comes to the defense of senator feinstein, fielding calls for

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that is a beautiful, live picture of the white house at 6:51 on a friday morning while president joe biden speaks from ireland today, vice president kamala harris also will be delivering an address, hers at the national action network's annual convention in new york city. let's bring in the president of the national action network, the host of msnbc's "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. rev, it's good to see you again this morning you have the vice president with you at the convention today, drawing a contrast, i know, to the nra convention, where donald trump will be speaking. >> absolutely. as donald trump and the nra convenes to talk about, in my judgment, the glorification of guns, the vice president will be discussing in her keynote address today gun violence, as

well as the inqueequalities we still face in communities of color, as well as the fight around the battle for women, to protect their rights as women to make choice over their own bodies so we are extremely excited that, given the time as well as given where we are in history, that the vice president is going to make this address at the same time donald trump, who is the antithesis to all she stands for and we as an organization stands for, is speaking in indianapolis >> rev, iden've seen the nation action network convention in action it's quite a gathering of people who are really organizers and they're interested in politics i'm wondering, i assume the vice president will get a warm

reception, but what do you hear about her as a political figure from people around the convention, from that network of people how are they regarding vice president harris >> i hear from people all over the country, and we have chapters in about 48 of the states many of them, i would say over 40 of them, are here, their chapter leaders. they think that vice president harris has been unduly attacked by the media it seems that if she doesn't go out and project more, they're saying she's somehow not being active enough and projecting enough if she does, she's overshadowing the president. they've put her in this kind of catch-22 that is widely disregarded and, in fact, angers a lot of our community the fact is, she is the first

woman of any color to be vice president, the first person of color, black and asian, and, clearly, we feel she's been held to a different standard. this is throughout not only national action network's convention, but when i travel and what i do on my radio show, speaking to many people, it's the feeling that no one expected mike pence or joe biden, all of the last three, four presidents to do what they keep putting on kamala harris. we refuse to have her subjected to a double standard. >> vrev, hi, jen palmieri. i'm familiar with the double standard our vice president gets held to. twice as hard, right that's what a woman, a woman of color is facing as the first person in a zwrojob like that. i know susan rice spoke yesterday, talking about the

accomplishments the biden administration made on behalf of black americans. i know polcans aren't feeling the effects. they aren't certain what the administration has accomplished on behalf of the community how do you see the biden agenda, what it has done for black americans, and maybe why it might not be breaking through? >> i think the agenda has been pretty good. i think that we certainly want to see more. i think good is all right, but great is what we should be striving for we had to come out of all of what happened in the prior az agenda of donald trump i think a lot of the time of the biden administration has been trying to dig us out of the mess we were in it is encouraging that we see this month, this record unemployment among blacks. we've not seen black unemployment this low since we

recorded unemployment. that's a good thing. the reason it's not breaking through, in my opinion, is we have a media that ignores substance and likes to play for what is flashy i think that the biden administration has had a hard time breaking through, which is why they spend a lot of time on the ground, doing conventions like national action network one of the things we celebrated yesterday was the efforts joe biden's administration did to get brittney griner out of russia she made -- brittney griner made a surprise appearance yesterday at national action network's convention these are things that would not have happened had we not had some real active work by the biden administration the prayer that i wanted to go to russia and have with brittney as she was being held, we did that yesterday, thanks largely in part to the efforts of reverend joe biden. >> that was an extraordinary

moment, one most of us didn't know was coming, when brittney griner made the surprise appearance what was it like to be around her? we haven't heard a lot from her since she was released from the russian prison, what, four months or so ago what'd you talk to her about how is she doing >> we talked about how she was doing. we talked about how she was able to make it through she told us about the fact that people were praying and standing for her meant a lot, and it did get through to her in russia, that this was happening, that she was being supported. you can imagine, she is still trying to, in her own mind, deal with what she went through, the trauma, the challenges of being inckcarcerated like that only she knows the conditions she was under. but she stressed that she wanted us to continue to pray and fight for those that are still being held in russia, including this journalist from "the wall street

journal" that was just picked up for no reason, other than doing their job. her stress was, don't only stand for me, but stand with those still captive in russia. let's fight for them together. >> extraordinary collection of people that, rev, bryou bring together every year. this year, doing it with kamala harris, appearing at the convention today rev, have another good day at the convention appreciate it. >> thank you still ahead here, federal th authorities make an arrest in connection with the highly classified pentagon documents leaked online. a member of the house intelligence committee, congresswoman abigail spanberger, will be our guest. plus, the argument for a new strategy from the west for its approach on ukraine. richard haass says there is no plan to get from the battlefield to the negotiating table, and we need one richard joins us next. we're back in one minute man

who loved nature, god, who loved shooting guns and racing cars. >> hmm, that's a clip from "the washington post"'s interview with the person who claims to know the man accused of leaking classified documents, who goes by the name o.g., apparently the 21-year-old air national guardsman was arrested yesterday at his parents' home in massachusetts. we'll dig into how he was able to gain access to the documents just ahead this comes as the war in ukraine drags on with no immediate peace

deal anywhere in sight one of our next guests says it is time for a new strategy for the west and its approach to the war. we'll talk to richard haass in a moment. also ahead, another extreme abortion ban passed by republicans. this time in florida, announced by governor ron desantis just after 11:00 last night in a tweet. welcome back to "morning joe. it is friday, april 14th eugene robinson, jen palmieri still with us. joining the conversation, the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. with joe, this morning, in county mayo, ireland, ahead of his interview with president biden. joe? >> yup, we are here, ashford castle behind us, in county mayo we're in county mayo later today and will be heading up and interviewing joe biden about, richard haass, something that, obviously, we talked about last hour with ed luce. it's on the mind of joe biden over here. that is, of course, the 25th an

ver anniversary of the good friday agreements obviously, ran into problems the last few years, but joe biden trying to put pressure on the british and all other pa rrtieso make sure this peace agreement moves forward in a positive way. you, obviously, have a lot of insights on the issue. what are your thoughts >> joe, to me, this is a classic case of whether the glass is half everympty or full sure, you can point out the problems, the local institutions aren't operating, there's sporadic violence. northern ireland is one of the most divided societies, in this case, along the lines of religion in europe i get all that look at the upside northern ireland went through the three decades of the troubles, finally put to rest with the good friday agreement 25 years ago thousands of people of all denominations were killed, along with british security forces, that isn't happening anywhere.

northern ireland is essentially a normal society in europe that's an enormous accomplishment, and the goal is to make that permanent, is to make it a more normal phase. again, the present, compared to what existed before the good friday agreement, for those three decades, enormous progress. >> enormous progress an extraordinary peace deal. the clintons, obviously, along with jerry adams, tony blair, the others that took part in it, overwhelming success 25 years ago. there are some challenges right now, but, again, that's what joe biden, in part of his mission over here, is taking care of for joe biden, like many presidents, we have, of course, bind biden coming over and being greeted with headlines like this, "biden joy."

you also have a very irish welcome for president biden. again, it's just something that joe biden is enjoying very much. as ed luce said last hour, richard haass, there is something about ireland for american presidents that makes it such a special place for them to come. jfk in 1963, as ed luce reminded us, called his four days in ireland the happiest days of his life you, of course, had other presidents coming here ronald reagan famously came here in 1984, also enjoyed it a great deal barack obama did now joe biden, who people around the white house have told me leading up to this trip that he's more excited about these days in ireland than any other times as president of the united states >> i understand that when i was the u.s. envoy to the peace talks in northern ireland, then again when i was the international mediator, i made dozens of trips there.

you know, to begin with, you've got people who are extraordinarily warm and welcoming and friendly there's a natural afintive with americans. there's also something interesting about ireland. you almost feel you're taking a step away from the frictions of a lot of international r relations. maybe because it stands slightly apart, not a member during the cold war of the east-west divide still now somewhat a part. it feels there's a comfort level. i don't have any other word for it something you don't feel in other places here we are talking about the good friday agreement. ireland worked hand in glove with the british government, with the united states they were real partners during that andg with the prime minister literally in his office when 9/11 happened i remember watching it we literally watched the second plane fly into the tower from his television in his office we then salt t down, wondering t

we were meant to do next went out and did an unscripted press conference everything he said just showed the empathy, the sympathy, the identification with the united states it was one of those extraordinary natural moments. i get why presidents feel so close, so comfortable when they go to ireland. >> and why they love to visit ireland so much. willie, they tell me here that it is always sunny always sunny in philadelphia no, always sunny in ireland, they claim no, we've actually hit a few very good days as well as the president. looking forward to talking to him later on today a lot on his slate, though >> it's a beautiful shot beautiful shot behind you there, joe. on a sunny day in ireland, yeah. richard, your latest piece in "foreign affairs" argues for a new strategy from the west and its approach on the war in ukraine. you write, quote, it is difficult to feel anything about where the war is headed. the human and economic costs alread already enormous are poised to climb as moscow and kyiv ready

their next moves on the battlefield. the russian military's numerical superiority likely gives it the ability to counter ukraine's greater operational skill and morale, as well as its access to western support. accordingly, the most likely outcome of the conflict is not a complete ukrainian victory by a bloody stalemate calls for a diplomatic end to the conflict are understandably growing. with moscow and kyiv both vowing to keep up the fight, conditions are not yet right for a negotiated settlement. the west needs an approach that recognizes these realities without sacrificing its principles the best path forward is a sequence two-prong strategy aimed at first bolstering ukraine's military capability, and then when the fighting season winds down late this year, ushering moscow and kyiv from the battlefield to the negotiating table. richard, to that, the ukrainians said, what kind of partner do we have in that negotiation in vladimir putin, who has invaded our country for the last year, killing tens of thousands of

people, children, civilians, bombing civilian targets and train stations and infrastructure why would we give an inch to that guy >> to ask what partner is totally legitimate i remember, you make peace with not just your friends but with your enemies look, i'm not going to sit here and say vladimir putin is potentially a willing partner. my our analysis right now is that he is not i think we should test it. it could be that after another year, he might be. we'll see. if not, the fact that ukraine and the united states would test putin, you expose him and perhaps his backer in china that's unwilling to make peace, i think it makes it less difficult then to sustain support in europe and the united states i'm not going to sit here and predict what is going to happen. i'm simply saying, willie, and i said this with my colleague, charlie kupchan," to continue this way is costly i don't want to see ukraine destroyed in the effort to save

it i think that's a real issue. plus, the united states has global responsibilities. we're putting so much resource into this. yeah, i do worry about the consequence for our ability to meet our commitments in asia and the middle east. what we're suggesting is, let's test putin let's see if there is a willingness. if so, that can be carefully explored there's ways to protect ukraine's long-term fundamental interest, keep open the possibility of getting all its territory back, which i think is important. if not, the exposure, again, that russia and china are not sincere about making peace, then i think it makes it less difficult for us to shore up the home front here in the united states, which is beginning to fray, and to shore up support in europe. >> richard, i think the reason why your piece is so important, and mostpieces are important, but why this is so important regarding ukraine, is what you are writing now is what

leaders, the leaders of countries, nato countries on both sides of the atlantic have been telling me behind closed doors over the past four, five, six months i'm sure you've been hearing the same thing, too. and we've even had the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general milley, saying, ukraine is not going to drive every russian troop out of their country. russia is not going to achieve military success in ukraine. he said perhaps next year, two, three years from now, ukraine can do it. but they cannot do it at this time that just harsh reality would suggest exactly what you're saying i mean, ukrainians can't stand another year of bombardment like the last year, year and a half the russians also are just facing, as we found by these leaks, enormous losses there's infighting there it seems like, you're right, we

have to find a way to move toward peace and move toward peace more quickly. >> it may not be a formal peace, joe. i actually recognize that it might be impossible to get the two sides to settle and to agree to what we call final status okay, but think about the korean peninsula. we don't have formal peace there, but since the early 1950s, we've had an armistice. war hasn't happened. cypress, since the '70s, we haven't had active fighting. as a weigh station on the way to a negotiated peace, which, by the way, may have to wait until vladimir putin's successor or his successor's successor is in the kremlin, but there has to be weigh stations wes between the carnage and destruction we're seeing on a daily basis now and a full peace agreement again, my -- i can't predict it could happen, but it certainly

is worth exploring that is the point. if ukraine is open to it, i think there are ways we can offer them security assurances, economic health, and keep open the diplomatic prospect of gaining back all their territory. at the same time, we dramatically reduce the price they're paying day in and day out. >> richard, it's jennifer palmieri under the -- so the two-step scenario, can you walk us through what the best care scenario for ukraine would be, if we spend time now helping them amp up their effort what position might they go into these discussions with the russians, and how may russia be weakened what's the best case for undertaking the scenario you describe >> the best case scenario, jennifer, is the united states and europe amp up, as you say, our arms for ukraine, even more considerable than it already is

the territory it's lost, certainly in the east. it's also better able to defend itself against cruise missiles, drones and aircraft if russia introduces them. even the best case scenario, where they make military progress, they won't be routing russian forces, they won't be driving russia from all of crimea the russians will still sit on roughly 15%, 14% of ukraine's territory. what i'm predicting is that is the military situation i also think at some point, the ukrainians themselves are going to say, this is really costly in terms of our economy, in terms of our population. millions and millions of displaced people and refugees. we'd put forward a proposal and would find out whether the chinese would put forward a peace proposal, whether they're prepared to lean on russia, whether there is any pressure on putin from within to make peace. if so, if there is a willingness

to wind this down, again, maybe temporarily, not permanently, i think people would be better off. if not, it's a way to go to sa to hp republican in the house o those in europe to say, we put a decent proposal on the table it took one side to start the war, russia, but it takes two sides to make peace. ukraine is willing russia is not. we have to, therefore, continue our support for ukraine. i don't see this as a big risk for, you know, ukraine, if we go down this path. >> a lot to think about as richard haass calls for a new strategy for the west in ukraine. richard, the a.l. east needs a new strategy for the tampa bay rays 13-0 so far this season. what are we going to do? >> well, they're not 162-0 at the end of the season, willie. i think it is just be patient, hang in there. unbelievable even before that, willie, tomorrow night, the knicks

opening up the postseason against cleveland. >> yeah. >> keep your eye on that the closest series, probably, of this round >> we enter with some hope we have a pretty good team this year joe, i don't know if you've been monitoring over there in county mayo or if there is buzz about the a.l. east there at ashford castle, by, my gosh, rays beat the red sox last night, 13-0 they're even with the '82 braves and the '87 brewers for the hottest start since before 1900. you have to go back to the 1880s to find a start better than this. >> willie, you walk through ashford castle, and you'll see the flags of the families who have owned ashford castle since the 13th century and, of course, a boston red sox fan. yes, there was a red sox flag, which they tore down last night. they've given up hope here no, i'm actually over here looking for an irish rugby team to follow. because the red sox have just -- it's been a brutal start

i will say to you, willie, what we say every year, it is a long, long season. i've had friends that have been thrilled about their, you know, win streaks in april, may, june, july i remember the braves started out 13-0 back in 1981, and we said, they're going to go all the way! well, they almost didn't get -- almost didn't get past the dodgers. in fact, i don't think they got past the dodgers so, it's a long season the rays are a great team. we've talked about that before i think the real -- we'll see what happens halfway through the summer i think we're all playing, as larry bird famously said in the all-star game, i do think in the a.l. east at least, we're all playing for second place >> you know what they call ashford castle over there, tropicana field east it's taken over by rays fans. >> exactly. >> they're in there watching the

g game you're right the last time this happened, the 13-0 start in '87, the brewers, and i have to double check this, finished third in the division or something like that it's thrilling, exciting, they're a great team, but we have 162 games to play >> right. >> richard haass, go knicks. talk to you next week. up next, the latest in the legal battle over the abortion pill, as a newly signed ban on the procedure puts the national focus on florida we will dig into what that means for governor ron desantis and his potential presidential aspirations and, more importantly, for the women of his state. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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florida governor ron desantis signed a six-week abortion ban at 11:00 last night, hours before it'd been approved by the republican state legislature. 2 out of 28 republicans in the florida senate voted against the bill, which makes exceptions for pregnancies involving rape or incest up until 15 weeks those exceptions, however, will only be allowed if a woman has documentation, like a restraining order or police report the bill does not change current exemptions for the life and health of the mother up to 15 weeks. let's bring in "the washington post"'s national political reporter covering abortion, caroline kitchener thanks for being with us this morning. let's stop and talk about what exactly this bill is and what it is not there's an extenuating circumstances with a state supreme court case that may have an impact on whether or not this becomes the law. >> yes, exactly.

this ban, it restricts abortion after six weeks of pregnancy you know, a lot of people see that as pretty much a total ban because that's before many people know they're pregnant it goes into effect 30 days after the state supreme court issues a ruling that we're all waiting on, on the current 15-week ban. so we'll see we'll see what happens there you know, it's really impossible to overstate the impact that this particular piece of legislation is going to have, not just on florida, but really across the entire country. you know, florida is the third most populous state, and people have been traveling there since roe was overturned for abortions. this is really going to have very significant ripple effects everywhere >> and i think one of the other things that stood out to a lot of people of this story is the onerous ask of women, even in the case of rape or incest, to prove it, to provide a restraining order, police reports, written notes from doctors.

not one but two doctors proving it all it's become very, very difficult to get an abortion, even in those extreme cases. >> well, we know from other states that have those exemptions and effects that they often don't do very much because they are so hard to implement, you know, if you are a woman that has experienced that. you know, many of them don't even know that there is an exemption. in practice, they often don't actually help in those situations >> you know, caroline, earlier this week, i said on the program that over easter weekend, i talked to an awful lot of family and friends who are lifelong conservatives, lifelong republicans, but they all had stories of women who were facing extraordinary obstacles. a lot of horror stories, to be quite frank. i took that as anecdotal evidence that a lot of people in america are talking about this republicans and democrats alike.

they're very concerned then i saw your article in "the washington post" that described this in great detail it seems to me, seems to me, whether you're talking about florida, whether you're talking about wisconsin, michigan, any state where there is an open question on, politically, which way these states may break next year, this is going to be an issue front and center what i'm finding, not just for democrats, not just for independents, but also for a lot of republicans that have always considered themselves pro life >> i think that is very true you know, a lot of people were very -- if was very unsure what florida and other states were going to do in this current legislative session. you have seen again and again and again voters come out, even in places like kentucky, wisconsin, supporting abortion rights you know, it is interesting that, you know, desantis has

made this calculation. i do think it probably has to do with the republican primary that he would be facing for the presidential election. but i do think you have a lot of republicans really torn about what to do on one hand, they have their base that really wants to see these very restrictive measures, but i think they're aware that even among many moderate republicans, this is not something that they want >> hi, it's jennifer palmieri. the -- you know, we had dobbs overturned we know that was not popular with the american public then, you know, the reaction to that politically, more recently from republicans, is to say, "we probably need to moderate our position here. this is going to kill us in the presidential election. it'll kill us in 2024. then the reaction from the second leading presidential, you know, likely republican candidate, ron desantis, is to

go even further from the 15-week ban to a 6-week ban. that's what state -- republicans are doing in state legislatures, republican governors it seems anecdotally, when voters get involved, when they can vote on a candidate or ballot initiative, am i right that that is almost always going in the opposite direction? all these moves are going against public opinion, even in relatively conservative states >> yeah, that is exactly right so far, when folks have had the opportunity to vote directly on the issue, they have voted to support abortion rights, even in places where you wouldn't necessarily expect them to, very conserve tifative place. at the same time, in the midterms, we saw governors that were very forceful and public about supporting very aggressive abortion bans in georgia, in texas. those governors still did very

well i think a question that kind of remains to be seen is, how much is this going to impact the candidate who, you know, comes out in support of these things when it is not just abortion that people are voting on >> "the washington post"'s caroline kitchener, who covers this issue for "the post." we appreciate it let's bring in the president and ceo of the center for reproductive rights, nancy northrup good morning your reaction to the 6-week ban signed by governor desantis late last night. >> well, it is just part of the chaos and confusion and difficulty that we're having across the united states, since roe versus wade was overturned we're seeing state after state where there are these limitations. now, we're also facing, you know, going up to the supreme court, access to medication abortion, and the decision in the fifth circuit, again, pretty

much turning t ing the clock bad an -- backward and upending the system it is important people are paying attention, both to this medication abortion case and what is happening across the nation i'd underscore what has been said already this morning, which is, this is not what the american people want we saw it in kansas and kentucky we saw it in, you know, michigan, the big win there, and last week in the wisconsin supreme court case people want access to their rights yet, this campaign to ban abortion nationwide, we're seeing it playing out in the medication abortion case, and it's not what was said when the dobbs case came down, which is the states would decide. this is an orchestrated campaign for a nationwide ban. >> according to recent polling, the six-week ban is something like a 15% position in this country. so much of this is spoken about

in political terms, but can you talk a little bit about what a six-week ban in the state of florida on abortion and a ban on this abortion pill would mean to women in this country? >> well, absolutely. you know, we already saw this when texas passed their six-week ban. in that case, a vigilante law. you know, we just filed a lawsuit in texas there's now a total ban in texas. we filed a lawsuit on behalf of five women who had wanted pregnancies that were in septic emergencies. one of them ended up in the icu for three days because they said, "you've got to go into, basically, sepsis, before we'll give you a needed abortion." this is also what plays out, is that women wanted pregnancies, are finding themselves being told, "no, you can't get the medical care that is standard because we have a criminal law in our state." the doctors are weighing that

with putting your patient care first. >> nancy, i want to ask your reaction to just the torrent of change on the issue of abortion since dobbs went down. you brought up kansas. i know going into the kansas referendum, most people were expecting the pro life side to win by one or two points the pro choice side won a landslide in kansas. you brought up kentucky, about as red of a state as it gets we look at what happened in michigan a tidal wave so much of that tidal wave is because of the radical positions of the republican gubernatorial candidate. wisconsin, again, the most swing state, i would say, we've had in this country over the past decade yet, an 11-point landslide again, coming down mainly to abortion are you -- the issue of abortion are you finding more support

from people who traditionally have been pro life, who have traditional ly been republicans? are you finding more support now from the contacts you're having with people? because, again, of the inhumane, almost ghoulish positions these women are being put in, who know their child going to die, who risk dying themselves, and, yet, doctors can't help them. >> yes we're seeing, you know, very strong support since the overturning of roe versus wade the reality is, one in four women in the united states will have an abortion in their lifetime that's not going to change because of all of this chaos of the laws that we're seeing now that means that most people know someone who has had an abortion or they have had an abortion this is a kitchen table issue that people understand i know people have had comp

coll complications in pregnancy all of a sudden, with it being a criminal question, people are saying, maybe i identified as pro life on the abortion issue when it comes down to it, do i want criminal laws behind my doctors as they're giving care absolutely not >> all right president and ceo of the center for reproductive rights, nancy northrup, thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. >> thank you. >> let's bring in pulitzer prize winning author and historian doris kearns goodwin i tell people, we're going to be good in this country, because for every action, there's always a counter reaction two years later. we've seen it, republicans and democrats switching sides, whether it's in congress every two years or every four years in the white house. it just seems there has been, especially over the past 30 years, a more volatile back and forth. we've really seen over the past week or two pushback against

extreme laws on guns, extreme laws on abortion, and anti-democratic actions taking place in tennessee i'd love to get your reaction to especially tennessee, just the pushback by the people on those anti-democratic moves. >> yeah, you know, joe, you and i tend to be optimistic about the future, and i think we really can take heart with what happened in tennessee this last week i mean, just think about the fact those two legislators are now returned to the legislature. they are strengthened by public sentiment, which became nationwide what was done there was wrong, to have expelled them for peacefully protesting after the shooting that took place in that city they come back with a certain leadership that they've exhibited. this makes you feel good about young people they were so articulate. they kept their composure during the whole time

they're backed by a generation that for whom gun safety, freedom of choice are huge issues, maybe single issues, like anti-abortion was for so many years that generation is taking hold in 2024, they will be 40%, the gen-zs and millenials are the potential electorate by 2028, they'll be a majority the next years after that, they'll be 60% these extreme actions, just as you say, they're going against the tide of public sentiment when you have a force like that, it is a reaping whirlwind you probably can't hold back at the same time, you know, what excites me about what happened in nashville is that nashville has a history. this is where history begins to really give lessons and perspective. that was one of the first sit-ins in 1960 in february after greensboro it was an extraordinarily successful campaign. they were trained. they went to workshops they were peaceful they were arrested it kept going on at a certain point, something

extreme happened this attorney, who was defending the students when they were going to jail, is housed with bombs. thousands went into the streets. finally, the city and mayor decided, we have to go something. we have to look forward and go away from this they desegregated the lunch counters nashville was one of the first cities to do it. the pattern, action and reaction, and the country decides that this is wrong, it really brings us forward maybe that's where we are right now. i feel like before we get caught up in talking about trump again and all the other things, we have to take that moment to celebrate what happened in nashville this last week i am so glad it makes me feel much more hopeful doris, i agree with youu the next generation and how they're going to really change everything but what does history teach us about the path from here to there? where we are now, for example,

is that, you know, reactionary forces are in charge of state legislatures across the country. partly due to gerrymandering largely due to gerrymandering. it is very, very tough to break. it is going to be broken probably in wisconsin. it's been broken in michigan it is going to -- but these are kind of incremental victories. in a lot of states, that's what this new generation is going to run up against a state legislature that refuses to move on guns, abortion and other issues that they really care about, and a supreme court that is out of the business of basically fairness how do we get from here to there, and what does that intervening time look like >> well, i think you're right. part of it is that it may take a while. when you look at the civil

rights movement, it was starting in the mid 1950s it took until the '60s before we got the civil rights act and desegregation, before we got voting rights. there has to be patience on this you're raising the important point. we need a political movement i mean, we've needed economic movement we needed civil rights movements. we had women's muchovements, ga right movements. we need non-partisan districting. the gerrymandering has to come to an end. it is screwing up things on both sides in many ways, polarizing our country. we need campaign finance reform. we have to fight for the right for voting, which is being taken away still in these states until we get -- maybe the for the people act that was once introduced, you know, last year, has to really be the focus until we change the politics and the way the electoral college works, the way it works in individual states, we'll have t these minority views speaking against majority views once the public sentiment is

there, i feel we'll get forward. every time we've made change in the country, it's been a movement somehow, these people have to coalesce ifi were young again, that's what i'd be out there for right now, fighting for a political change that can make our system more democratic, expressing the will of the people, against people that are now no longer a majority they're not expressing the will of the people. democracy is supposed to do that you define people, put them in power to express your views. if you don't like it, kick them out. we have to figure out how to do this politically that's what you do in a democracy, you fight people are beginning to fight. they are fighting, and i think that's great. >> yeah, they certainly are. so many people have been heartened, on both sides of the aisle, by what they've seen in tennessee. we are, doris, in ireland. county mayo, ireland we've been asking a question about presidents and their relationship to this country for the past couple of hours we have you on now, so you'll

give us the answer, i'm sure there is a special connection. john kennedy came here in 1963 and called it among the four happiest days of his life. of course, president reagan came here in 1984 had a special affinity for this country. barack obama in 2011 and now joe biden. he's received a hero's welcome here he's been overjoyed. in fact, yesterday, he said he wasn't sure if he was going to come back to the states because he loves ireland so much they have shared that love with him, as well i am curious, talk about that special connection that u.s. presidents have with ireland. >> you know, i think it's something about the fact that not only do they belong there because their families were there, and that's true for the presidents you mentioned i mean, my father, michael

francis, my sense of belonging to ireland is always there i think it is also because look at the numbers of people that came from ireland to america and became part of the political system that's what the irish did when they got here in boston. they went into the city hall they went into mayors, the city council. they love politics, that extrovertist nation of the irish people, made them a part of the political system the word you mentioned for president biden and for president kennedy, that they got joy, it was the happiest time in their lives, all of us feel, i think, when we feel a connection to the roots from which we come, a sense of being appreciated for what we've done in our lives at that point, as the presidents must feel, that's a really special feeling. thank god a president gets a chance every now and then to just experience joy. that's not something that happens most days in a president's life i think i'm just so glad for president biden. i was so happy for president kennedy. kennedy, you know, sadly, he said, i'll be back, and never was able to be back there. we've got to hope that biden enjoys this time there

he comes back with more energy and more sense of vitality because of having had pure joy for a few days i think it's great. >> all right historian doris kearns goodwin, as always, thanks so much for being with us. willie, what do you have coming up next >> coming up next, former attorney general bill barr explains why donald trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to his various legal issues we'll play you barr's comments. plus, pro football fans in washington rejoining this morning, perhaps about to get their wish, as a deal to sell the commanders now appears to be in place also ahead, award-winning actor and producer, the multi-talented john leguizamo is our guest. we'll talk about his six-part series, right here on msnbc. it's all straight ahead on "morning joe." ♪ i'm mr. brightside ♪

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live picture of the united states capitol 7:47 in the morning in washington a deal is in place to sell the nfl's washington commanders for a record price team owner dan sniyder reached a agreement to sell the franchise for just over $6 billion to a group that includes magic johnson. harris is the co-owner of the 76ers and the nhl's new jersey devils he owns a piece of the pittsburgh steelers, which he will have to sell before getting ahold of the commanders. according to reports, the non-exclusive deal is fully financed but not yet signed. any deal would also need to be approved by the league owners. eugene robinson, you can hear some quiet celebration from commanders fans who have suffered for the last, what, 25 years, a quarter of a century. 24 years under dan snyder,

exactly two playoff victories in that time. >> nothing quiet about the celebration, willie. very loud and joyous celebration. you know, those of us who lived in washington for a long time remember when this team was -- felt like it belonged to the -- so much to the city, to this area going to a game was just a great experience every game was sold out. every seat was filled. the joint was rocking. even back when they used to play in rfk stadium, it was an incredible experience. even in years when they weren't winning, to say nothing of the super bowl years and dan snyder has been an unmitigated disaster it's given us lousy team, a lousy stadium, a lousy culture

inside the team, toxic culture inside the team. coach after coach, quarterback after quarterback, the worst personnel decisions you could think of you couldn't do any worse. and he's been kind of a jerk on top of that. so, we will be very, very happy to see the back of him and to see a new owner, any new owner >> gene, not mincing words this morning. i guess i was wrong to characterize it as quiet celeb celebration. gene is ready to start today with the new ownership it looks like that's coming for you and the rest of washington, gene. up next, john leguizamo hits the road in a six-part series, highlighting latinosix-part sers highlighting latino culture across the country he joins us straight ahead to talk about it on "morning joe. pass pas it's two injections, given by my healthcare provider,

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the history of salsa music to the contribution of latin amer americans to the government. we cannot wait to watch the full series explain what your objective was, what you wanted to do. >> i wanted to go show latin excellence across america. i go to six cities new york city, puerto rico, chicago and la and find great artists, actors, politician, activist we sit down for a meal

we laugh and dance it is a party but you learn everything. >> speaking of dance, here's a clip of the show where john learns about sal tsa dancing take a look. >> a majority of latin americans came to new york city. >> the place where music and salsa lived. >> for decades people like raymond perez have been keeping the salsa sounds alife. >> this is culture, tradition. this area, this neighborhood this is not a place where you live it is a place that lives you the people who have been here all of their lives like people from puerto rico like my father in 1937. this is the outlet these with people that walk in here in walkers and wheelchairs and when the music starts --

♪ -- they're on their feet. >> a miracle. >> it is a miracle you look for jesus is jesus around? no salsa is around. ♪ >> people think it is from cuba or puerto rico how did it happen? >> they assume it's from cuba. it was salsa ♪ >> a genre of music and dance influenced by african rhythms and sounds these became a touch stone for the latin community emigrating to the united states >> salsa is a big new york thing because when our parents came here in the '30s and the '40s that's all they had. music at the events. >> let's bring in "morning joe" reporter daniella pierre bravo

we know john a native of queens. he can move. we get to see it in this series. >> hey, john congrats on the amazing series you celebrate the diversity within the community and you really do get into the influence of the latinos have had in the u.s. i had no idea that latinos had a big hand in hip hop in the movement in new york city. tell me why do you think it is that we forget about the influbs of latins have had in this country? >> i think it's -- we are -- there is erasure going on. we discovered america. we built it. we have experienced oppression in this country. we had $2.8 trillion to the gdp

every year if we were a country we would be the fifth largest economy in the world. and yet the stories aren't being told we are not in movie stories, children's picture books are missing. this is my job is to put us back into the puzzle. >> i know you're really big into getting out the latino vote you do a good job of going into the communities of latinos around the country to connect with them and understand what's important to them. i wonder if you have insights or lessons to give campaigns how to connect and resonate with latinos. >> i got to say bernie sanders did it the best. you know how he got latin consultants he's got experts in the community to tell him and give

the democrats what are the points that they need to talk about, how to address latin people you got to knock on doors. we were ignored in the last election the democrats went after us on the spanish language stations and aggressive we assumed that the latin people would vote democratic. you need to talk to us, court us the largest voting bloc outside of white people in america we can shift elections. >> you go down to miami to make a point around election time that latinos are not a monolithic voting bloc they have different interests and views on things. what did you find in south florida? >> the cubans who came there in the '50s are all republican and

have been for decades. the younger cubans are becoming more liberal and democratic. and then you got svenezuelans wh are triggered by socialism and communism and you have to be careful and make sure that you counter republicans who are saying this president is bringing socialism will become a dictator you have to go there and do the work >> new york, washington, miami, puerto rico, chicago, los angeles. john leguizamo, truly does america in this new series premiers this sunday on msnbc and streaming on peacock so great to see you. we have thrilled to have this outstanding series on msnbc

starting this sunday thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >> daniella, thank you we appreciate you being here. we are looking at a busy day in ireland for president biden including a trip to his family's ancestral home. justin pearson is our guest fresh off the reinstatement to the state house of tennessee. hello! they said it would happen. as a proud son of the biden, well, you knew i would be coming it's so good to be back in ireland. if you forget the poor attempt at irish -- [ speaking foreign language i'm home i'm home [ applause ] what i bring to this career after my aged as you can see how

old i am -- but wisdom i come at the job with more experience than any president in american history it gives me a few excuses. >> joe joins us from ireland where today president biden will wrap up the trip beginning in dublin and make the way to his family's ancestral home where joe is now president biden will deliverthia cathedral. the bbc reports a crowd up to 20,000 people is expected to line the streets for that event. following the remarks the president will return to dublin before returning to the united states landing this delaware tonight. joe, set the scene for us. >> yeah. >> i'm standing in front of what looks like mike barnacle's second home in nantucket a wee bit larger i'm telling you.

it's been just such a joyful, joyful trip for joe biden and for the people of ireland. you can see that in the headlines. back in the states people focusing on a few gaffes they are not focusing on that in ireland. had a joyous welcome to parliament yesterday in fact, the front page story said biden's happiness is infectious because it's obviously sincere. joe biden has had headlines like this since he first got here biden joy. it's been, again, a moment that joe biden has enjoyed immensely. people in the white house saying that this trip is actually a trip he's looked forward to the most since getting into the white house and appears very comfortable in ireland and the

people of ireland comfortable. adviser in tyler pager wrote in "the washington post" biden may have been born in scranton, pennsylvania, spent half century in washington but this week ireland sounded like his true native land. quote, it feels wonderful, like home it feels like home he said in the evening. when you are here you wonder why anyone would ever want to leave. biden told parliament i'm at the beginning of my career, not the beginning. the only thing i bring to this career at my age is a little bit of wisdom. i come to the job with more experience than any president in american history that doesn't make me better or worse but it gives me few excuses. we will be catching up with the

president later today. we're going to talk to him obviously about the historic peace accord signed 25 years ago but for now following news throughout the day here in ireland. >> we'll be back to joe in a moment back at home the justice department arrested a 21-year-old air national guardsman in connection to the leak of classified documents online some of which may have been altered included assessments of the war in ukraine andrea mitchell has details. >> reporter: wokking in i.t. in the intelligence wing and the source of that major intelligence leak. >> the justice department

arrested jack douglas texas in connection to an investigation. >> reporter: "the washington post" was first to report that teixeira shared classified intelligence include fog tos of the leaked documents in a private group of mostly young men on discord popular with video gamers "the post" spoke with an anonymous member of that group >> i don't think there's a goal nor some sort of an accomplishment in sharing the documents. of course there's some anti-government sentiment. >> reporter: the anonymous group member said he was a natural leader. >> og was not hostile to the american government but disagreed with occasions and thought that the government is

overreaching there was no heavy snowden-like conspiracy. >> reporter: photos of classified documents visible for weeks. some of it was in public >> right clearly the administration was slow on the uptick how's it that an individual like this had the access they did >> reporter: president biden down played the impact. >> i'm not concerned about the -- i'm concerned it happened. >> reporter: according to "the new york times" a leak reveals broad infighting in kremlin and the u.s. expects the war to continue into next year. kristen welker asked poland's prime minister about that. >> i think so, too, because russia has huge and vast natural resources, human resources. >> reporter: the pentagon is reviewing who has access to top secrets. >> we have stringent guidelines

in place for safeguarding information. this is a deliberate criminal act, a violation of guidelines if there are areas to tighten things up we will. >> andrea mitchell reporting there. let's bring in retired four star navy admiral james stavridos two parts to this. how damaging some of this information is president biden down playing that in ireland yesterday. and then how a 21-year-old ash national guardsman got access to it, leave it up on a social media platform it appears for month. >> i think that as you look at what will come out of this there will be some significant tactical information that flows across the wires to russia russia will use this to try to

drive wedges between the u.s. and some allies who are named in it there will be some heightened awareness of the war but i think that basket is smaller as a concern than the classification, the tightening up. i think this is a fairly significant leak, willie, in terms of opening a new can of concerns here you got a very young individual who has access somehow, perhaps through a burn bag, perhaps through the duties in the i.t. world and then printing it, carrying it out, copying it and putting in private chat rooms that's a tough problem to crack. i think the pentagon spokesman is right you need to focus on that this is an insider threat

this sophisticated counter cyber surveillance would not stop it what would stop it is tracking who has that access. it is a human personnel problem than a surveillance problem. >> the fact that he had access to it at 21 as an air national guardman is concerning is there anything in what we have seen publicly we don't have it awe they want kated. is there anything that surprised you? we are conducting surveillance on allies. >> i think that the number one thing that really stood out at me, i have been tracking this perhaps more than the average person, but the ukrainians using up the air defense systems

i said for a long time there's really two wars at play. the ground war where the ukrainians are doing quite well with our help. we have a spring offensive coming there's an air war that's not unfolded yet putin has not unleashed the air force. if it is accurate, if it is accurate the dropping down of those inventories concerns me. it is a message that we ought to be putting more focus on that air war. thinking consciously about getting fighter jets in the hands of the ukrainians. >> so, jen, you have been worked in white houses. edward snowden comes to mind we heard from the president in

ireland saying it doesn't look from what he learned that there is a lot of damaging information made public but the concern remains that this guy could get to the information to post it on social media. >> right this is a digital world. 21, born in this century right? he is -- even in hard copy and kept offline he can get the materials out of the office presumably, photos, back online. i have an experience in working in white houses with classified information. concerns about things being overly classified. that means -- there is millions and millions of documents classified and could be a problem with overclassification. also just access

i wonder for the admiral given this situation are there reforms to be put in place to prohibit someone, i don't know his job, if the air national guard was, but might prevent someone like him getting access to this >> yeah. it is the right question to ask. everybody is focused on that right now in the pentagon. we have mentioned snowden a couple times this morning. this one feels like the wikileaks, chelsea manning providing 750,000 documents to wikileaks. this is about 100 documents. why so small because he was using paper to move thoem what we could do to improve is redouble the efforts on clearances to individuals but in

the post clearance phase we need to be more observant about individuals. doesn't mean we want to turn the military into spying on each other but if you see something, if you hear something, say something why that's the way you can find the insider threats. >> admiral, we are concerned about the leakong this information was up online. let's talk about the substance of the leaks in the past you have had people leaking documents that were meant to undermine u.s. efforts across the globe in this case it might undermine efforts in kra un. russian commando units have been obliterated. second big headline is a lot of russian infighting, the information we don't usually receive in the united states or

the west, russian infighting about the war going badly and then the third thing is ukraine needs more support ukraine is running out of munitions to continue obliterating the russian army. seems to me for the ukrainians this is a win across the board. >> i agree if you look at sort of the four buckets of people here that you sketched, the united states, our allies, the russians and the ukrainians, the ones who are getting the most positive effect of this are going to be the ukrainians this is going to exactly as you say putt a spotlight on the needs and on the shortfalls and the difficulties the russians are facing terms of the u.s. and allies, headlines there. in terms of nations spying on

each other it is like "casablanca. nations look on each other that will pass i think very quickly yes, i agree my takeaway here in the real world let's get the help to the ukrainians this is a critical point. >> all right thank you so much. willie, let's underline the admiral's last point this story's been met behind the scenes with a collective yawn from most of the european allies they know this happens they're not thrilled but certainly not the crisis of the 2005 "the washington post" stories of the iraq war and war on terror caused wh not a lot of consternation with the allies right now.

>> sounds like an annoyance for those that learned that they are being spied on and probably already knew the larger concern is getting access to the documents and who else could dial in and get some sense of national security information. we'll have much more on that story. also, in florida today, governor desantis signed a six-week abortion ban into law did that last nigh in a move that may underscore how controversial the bill is he announced the decision at 11:00 p.m. in a tweet. 2 out of 28 republicans in the senate voted against the bill making exceptions up until 15 weeks. those exceptions will only be allowed if a woman has documentation on a restraining order or a police report

the bill doesn't change country exemptions still up to 15 weeks the previous bill signed into law last year is a subject of an ongoing legal challenge. jen, this is another chapter in the last couple weeks and the last almost year now in wisconsin abortion was a central issue. texas decision by a judge out there. putting on hold or banning the abortion pill. now this in florida. a six-week extreme abortion ban. >> the -- i love that desantis tweets this after 11:00 at night. that people aren't going to notice but recall the 15-week ban that's also what the mississippi

law was. in the dobbs case. 15-week ban, a year and a half ago we thought was extreme lindsey graham offered that as a moderate alternative in the midterms even though politics is clearly against the republicans like in wisconsin and the midterms he then goes with a six-week ban thinking that's popular in a republican presidential primary. like, there is the vice. the politics of this are clear but also need to remember the impact, the rulings on the abortion pills, the impact having on women. you read off the list. if there is a rape or incest, how onerous it is for the woman

to prove that. but when you look at the politics, the republicans intellectually saying, reporting on this. we have a problem here and the abortion positions are too extreme but then you have people like desantis pushing forward with a more extreme ban. >> and, joe, if ron desantis does run for president and find the way to the nomination good luck pivoting to the general after this something like a 15% position nationally let's look at florida and how it changed since you were in congress there what do you make of the six-week ban? >> it is a problem for ron desantis like you said. any republican that gets behind this in a general election we have seen this time and time again. the republicans know what the

politics are for an abortion ban in the general election. republicans apparently don't care so florida's a state -- again, we think of it as a republican state. and then barack obama wins it. i think bill clinton won it one of the two times that he ran and i suspect again right now it's breaking red. trump won by 3 or 4 points there. but i will tell you. there are a lot of people in florida as everybody watching this show knows that moves down from the northeast and the midwest with a much more moderate view of the issue of abortion they move forward any way. it is why he signed it at 11:00 at night i suspect if this had come out right after did dobbs decision

and before republicans understood the wicked backlash on the near abortion bans, he may have signed it in the middle of the day but instead 11:00 last night and tweeted out the picture. that is not a man who wants this to be front and center of the news today but it is eugene robinson, you look at wisconsin. a state that we were calling perhaps the tightest swing state in america just like florida, florida, florida in 2000. became wisconsin, wisconsin, wisconsin. and yet, because of abortion, a 1849 ban there, an extreme abortion law in wisconsin, one of the most important state supreme court races in recent years toned into a blowout

a 11-point win for progressive forces just like the kansas abortion referendum nobody saw that landslide coming and you wonder why republicans in states like florida, michigan, wisconsin keep moving in these extreme directions. it causes them to lose. >> absolutely does you saw it in wisconsin. you saw it in kansas, kentucky deep red states where abortion rights, when the basic constitutional right in these cases, state constitution right to abortion is on the ballot voters want it in their state constitution they want to protect that right. and what desantis signed and by the way we did notice, we saw,

ron, you signed this bill. this is as close to a complete abortion ban as you could really conceivably get except for the 1849 law in wisconsin. six weeks, before a lot of women know they every pregnant all the conditions this is a radical sort of handmaid's tale abortion ban tennessee state representative justin pearson joins the conversation after being reinstated to his seat yeerstday after less than a week after he was expelled for after he was expelled for protesting i i talked to an asthn a gun laist and found out my severe asthma "morning joe" is coming right back

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joe. we are in ireland this morning going to be going to visit joe biden later on this afternoon. right now we are at ashford castle on the shores of the republic of ireland's largest lake behind us, this castle built in 1228 sir guinness purchased it in 1852 extended the estate to 26,000 acres. built roads and the planting of thousands of trees and that brought notables here. hosted the prince of wales that became king george v ashford castle is now a remote and president ronald reagan stayed here when he famously vis visited ireland in 1984. obviously just breath taking grounds here

joe biden has to love what he's received in terms of a welcome here a heart warming welcome. the irish times calls it a very irish welcome for president biden. the lead is, joe biden's big day out in dublin was a joy. let's bring in u.s. national editor at "the financial times" ed loose maybe you can tell me. there's something about ireland that revives the spirit of every american president that comes here. >> yeah. thinking of jfk's famous trip there in june 1963 described as the happiest four days of my life i think it is not just people like biden and kennedy have strong irish ancestry and heritage there is something about

irishness. i feel fraudulent talking about this but i am married to an as you know to an irish woman who's from county mayo where you are right now and has people from there. there is something about irishness. hard scrapible, a bit of the american creed that i think biden taps into. talks about middle class is a value than a number. he interweaves that with stories of his grandfather and the passage across the atlantic so i imagine this will be mox the happiest three days of his presidency this is a -- i envy you being on this trip. >> yeah. it is remarkable but it is something that jfk said four days in ireland, 1963,

were the four happiest days of his life because getting ready for the trip and talking to the white house they all said that the president was excited about coming and that he expected it to be his happiest time in the white house. or even in politics. let's get to the latest poiece for "the financial times." you say it's hard to imagine trump helping be a good friday agreement and could persuade them to embrace the power sharing formula. because of protestant, irish intransient it is still too early to celebrate it as a success but in trying to shore it up biden is doing more than a favor to ireland

attending the anniversary and skip the london coronation sends a message to britain, europe and beyond the uk will get no trade deal with america if it jeopardizes the peaceful border between the north and the south. britain's prime minister has taken that to heart. moreover, biden values the eu and brexit and trump's 2016 election closely linked. there's no harm in a u.s. president reminding people on each side of the atlantic that alternative paths are there. clintons are coming to celebrate this weekend just an extraordinary peace agreement 25 years ago what i find different about biden's visit, in the past

ireland is a place that presidents love to go but the first allegiance is always with great britain. you do not get that sense with joe biden. he expects britain to do everything it can do to keep this peace treaty in place >> i think he is right, too. this peace deal associated over successive administrations the clinton administrations. on the ground in northern ireland and with the republic and gave people whether they are catholic or protestant a choice of identities making it less of a zero sum game but it is also a fragile peace agreement. i think biden is right to stand on ireland's side of this saying britain has to uphold the side

of the deal because it is creative peace in a corner of islreland and grt britain suffering violence and very valuable, very precious there's a little bit of tabloid that he is not going to the coronation no american president has been to a coronation of a british monarch. the last one in 1953 when biden was a child. i don't think anybody seriously in britain thinks it is a snub to britain and pro-britain and pro-ireland to want to preserve the good friday agreement. it is a model peace agreement.

>> ed, i covered the -- from london northern ireland years and years ago before the good friday accord. there was a lot of tension in belfast still. it wasn't active when i was covering it but it was still there. what is the atmosphere like in belfast? and then between northern ireland and the republic of ireland. >> so as i don'tyou probably no gene, last few months percentage of northern ireland who are catholic has taken over those that are protestant. that is a big change if you look at the traditional protestant parties like the dup which is refusing to take part in the good friday agreement

they're against. they are intrance gent if you look at younger protestants and catholics, they like the freedoms they have grown up with and cross the border without being checked and have machine guns, military posts looking at them. i think there is a demographic change driven by the young the good friday agreement is the guarantor of their futures so there is hope in that >> ed, we have some interesting comments coming out of china, out of beijing when macron went there. some critical comments actually about the united states. and behind the scenes. but mainly talking about how france and the rest of europe

should work harder to build bridges with china there's certainly undercurrent to do that without the prodding, without assistance of the united states talk about macron's meeting with china and the growing trends there. >> yeah. macron went to beijing met with xi jinping and said essentially we have no dog in the taiwan fight we don't want to be a vassell of the united states. which is a fairly extraordinarily thing to say given how much aid the united states is sending to ukraine in which france very much has a dog in the fight and also, given the degree to which china is backing russia. maybe not directly with arms supplies but with diplomatic support. macron as a lot of french presidents do is channelling the

charles de gaulle. he wants to speak for europe but the response from other european leaders is to pour cold water on what he said not just the ones close to russia that you expect but the german foreign minister. she is in china right now on a trip to china. she said very much the opposite. the future of taiwan is something that europe is interested in and said the things you expect blinken or biden to say i think macron miscalculated on this score. coming up, a live report from indianapolis. "morning joe" is coming right back cabenuva helps keep me undetectable. it's two injections, given by my healthcare provider,

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sharpton so you will have the vice president with you at the convention today drawing a contrast, i know, to the nra convention where donald trump will be speaking. >> absolutely. as donald trump and the nra convenes to talk about in my judgment the glorification of guns, the vice president will be discussing in her keynote address today gun violence, as well as the inequalities that we still face in communities of color, black community and others, as well as the fight around the battle for women to protect their rights as women to

make choice over their own bodies so we are extremely excited that given the time as well as given where we are in history that the vice president is going to make the address at the same time that donald trump who is the antithesis of what we stand for is speaking in indianapolis. >> rev, i have seen the national action network convention in acti action it is quite a gathering of people who are organizers and interested in politics i'm wondering. i assume the vice president will get a warm reception but what do you hear about her as a political figure from people around the convention, from that network of people? how are they regarding vice president harris >> i hear from people all over

the country. we have chapters in about 48 of the states and many of them, i would safr 40 are here chapter leaders. they think that vice president kamala harris is unduly attacked by the media it seems that if she doesn't go out and project more they're saying she is somehow not being active enough and projecting enough if she does she is overshadowing the president. they put herin a catch-22 that is widely disregarded and angers a lot of our community the fact is that she is a first woman of any color to be vice president, first person of color, black and asian clearly we feel she is held to another standard

wherever i travel and what i do on my radio show, the feeling of many people is that no one expected mike pence or joe biden, the last three or four presidents what they put on kamala harris. we refuse to have her subjected to a double standard. >> i'm familiar with the double standard that the vice president gets held to it is hard a woman, a woman of color facing as the first person in that color like that. susan rice spoke to you all yesterday. i read the speech talking about the accomplishments of the biden administration on behalf of black americans. polling suggest that black americans aren't feeling the effects and not sure what the administration accomplished on

behalf out community how do you see why it is not breaking through >> i think the agenda has been pretty good. we want to see more. i think good is all right but great is what we should be striving for we had to come out of all of what happened in the prior agenda of donald trump i think that a lot of the time of the biden administration has been trying to dig us out of the mess we were in. it is encouraging that we see this month this is record unemployment among blacks. we have not seen unemployment among blacks this long since recording employment that's a good thing. the reason it is not breaking through is we have a media that ignor ignores substance. i think the biden administration

has had a hard time breaking through which is why they spent time on the ground like doing conventions and national action network. a thing we celebrated yesterday was the efforts the biden administration did to get brittney griner out of russia and made a surprise appearance yesterday at the convention. these are things that would not have happened had we not had some real active work by the biden administration the prayer i wanted to have with brittney griner yesterday in russia being held we had yesterday due to the efforts of president biden. >> that was an extroaordinary moment what was it like to be around here released four months or so ago

how's she doing? >> we talked about how she was doing and how she was able to tunnel through she told us how the fact that people were praying and standing for her meant a lot and did get through to her in russia that she was being supported. you can imagine she is still trying to in her own mind deal with what she went through, the trauma, the challenges of being incarcerated that. only she knows the conditions she was under and stressed and wanted us to continue to pray and fight for those still being held in russia, including the journalist from "wall street journal" just picked up. her stress is don't only pray for me but stand with those captive in russia.

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remain this morning under flood alerts in south florida after historic rains slammed the region, leaving streets and an airport underwater let's bring in meteorologist angie lassman. >> it's incredible video we've seen coming out of this historic rainfall event take a look at flooding across fort lauderdale in parts of broward county we saw the airport shut down after 25 inches of rain shut down in one day, bringing the record for state rainfall in one

period the previous record was in key west for a tropical system they're finally getting a break. you can see the radar is much quieter. we'll like that see that happen through the day today and maybe into tomorrow. in the meantime we continue to see concerning conditions for flood in that area meanwhile, a much different story for folks in the north and the midwest. in new york we hit 90 degrees in central park we haven't seen a temperature like that on this date since way back in the '70s it was a real warm kind of day we're going to see another warm day today with temperatures above where they should be for this time of year, new york headed to 86 degrees the current record sits at 85 degrees. detroit is at 80 degrees and the record for the state is 81 we're milder tomorrow,but above

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe" just before 6:00 in the morning in los angeles welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe," just about 9:00 here in the east a lot to get to this hour on a friday morning, including the late night signing of an extreme abortion ban by florida governor ron desantis we'll go through the legislation and explain what's temporarily

stopping it from becoming law. a handful of republicans will be in indianapolis this weekend iffor the nra convention we'll get a live report from outside the gathering. also ahead, a state lawmaker who's been making national headlines over the last couple of weeks, tennessee's justin pearson will be our guest. and with gas prices creeping back up a bit, the salary for exxon's ceo just went up by more than 50% amid record profits for the company. we begin this hour with a 21-year-old member of the massachusetts air national guard arrested yesterday afternoon accused of leaking hundreds of pages of classified military intelligence to a group of friends in an online chat room nbc news chief white house

correspondent kristin welker has the latest. >> reporter: this morning the fallout intensifying after the dramatic arrest of the 21-year-old at his home in massachusetts. with guns drawn, heavily armed federal agents took the air national guardsman into custody thursday afternoon he is accused of leaking hundreds of classified documents from the pentagon. >> teixeira shared classified intelligence under the green name of og it all unfolded on a gaming platform called discord, popular with young male video gamers and

gun enthusieenthusiaenthusiasts. >> i don't think there was a goal, nor some sort of accomplishment that he was looking for in sharing these documents. of course, there is some anti-government sentiment. >> reporter: president biden weighed in from ireland in the hours before the arrest. >> i'm not concerned about the leakages i'm concerned it happened but there's nothing contemporaneous i'm aware of that is of great consequence. >> reporter: the leaked documents set off alarms across the globe. among the most damning reported revelations, the war in ukraine could last well into next year and the pentagon has doubts about ukraine's strength heading into this next phase the leak shows how the u.s. gathers intelligence abroad and the potential damage that may cause. now outraged lawmakers are vowing to investigate. >> if this stuff is authentic, it could change the dynamics on

the battlefield. >> how this type of information could be out and not be found is inexcusable. >> reporter: the administration is scramble to reassure key alg l allies including poland. can poland trust the u.s. intelligence community >> yes >> let's bring in ken delanian and andrea mitchell and jen psaki. she is former white house press secretary. great group gathered to discuss this andrea, i know you spoke with mike turner, the chair of the house intel committee. what is his level of concern of what was exposed in these leaks and the access that a 21-year-old air guardsman could get to it?

>> all of the above. very high level of concern not only from mike turner, house intel chair, but jack reed, the democratic shachair of the armed services committee why does someone who's a national guardsman up in massachusetts need to know about south korean lived

for so long apparently online. can you walk us through how this young man allegedly pulled this■ off? >> sure. we're going to learn more about this today when he is qr)■% in a courtroom in bos4 dti p)rest, anf■ affidavit of pe cause. andrea is absolutely right what's so fascinating about this case is theñi■motiveñ■ is not whistle blowing. it appears to be to impress his friends in a chat room on discord called thug shaker central. we don't know the answer to the question of whether he had across to this material because he was doing i.t. workf■ ort(■

whether he stole it through access he had through his i.t. access if that's the case, it's exactly what happened with edward snowden a decade ago with the nsa. it's baffling why the u.s. government hasn't fixed this problem. it is the case in the military we give great responsibility to youngxd■people top secret secur■ clearance!i■ it's a million people with top secret security clearances. >> jen, i bet you didn't walke u this morning talking about the group thug shaker central. >> theñ■ president said it doest look like rightp,■ now that the'

much of consequence out he yet. obviously the concern that somebody has access to this information so easily and looks like for so long. when i heard the resident's comments, i broughtcmyself back to when içó■workedf■ for himñ■ d what he was trying to say !■■■he what i heard from him was the content of what we have seen so far in these leaks, an assessment of how ukraine is doing, where russia is, the potential for the chinese to provide military support to russia, none of that was earth shattering for people who follow national security issues closely. the challenge that'se■ of intert to me is what are the conversations behind the scenes in foreign capitals? you have this leak, which this 21-year-old kid had access to somex■ pretty significantt(■

classified information even if it's consistent with what we know publicly.t■ç■ you have the mar-a-lago classified documents laying all over the place andrea, you spent so much time in these foreign capitals and talking to these leaders what is your gut instinct on how this is all being read over the nextq■ couplecof days in these y foreign capitals where we have key intelligence partnerships? >> it's a good question, jen first of all, european and nato colleagues, there's got to be some ■áconcern, because specific weaknesses on air defense and now the kremlin infighting over their level ofq■ casualties and their ability to sustain a war of attritionl■ a lot longert(■tn ukraine can, which seems obvious and it's known in think tanks

that we talk about on the air with our sources at the same time, to have that seen in print that these are u.s. intelligence estimateslp in contrast to what the u.s. is saying publicly is pretty shocking. >> ken, what is your sense of the level of concern around the world or inside the united states government about what has beeni■ exposed here? >> i hate to say it but people like the britso9s■t■israelis who take a lot better care of their secrets than we do are kind of used to this there's been a startling array of breaches over the last 20 years, some public,ko■ nsome now this is sort of par for the course we're thecd■ó■biggest, mostt(■pl collector in the world, but also the leakiest it's astonishment that wexd■keep seeing this movie over and over

again. did we learn anything fromç■ chelsea manning and edward snowden? we supposedly adopted some kindz of continuous monitoring of people with security clearances after snowden, but apparently that's not working very well. >> there's the question of the authenticity even of some of the stuff put online ken delanian, thank you. andrea mitchell, thank you asfá well we'll be watching "andrea ■■a eastern here on msnbc. we turn to last night's new development in the nation's battle over abortion rights. florida governor ron desantis signed a law banning the procedure in his state in almost all cases after six weeks.q■q■

>> florida has been one of the few places a woman could actually travel for an abortion in the south now it has one of the most restrictive bans in theqcountry■ overnight ron desantis signingqa bill to ban most abortions after six weeks. desantis posting only this photo on twitter,e1 a stark con trasto how he celebrated a 15-week ban last spring. unless blocked in the court, the move will shut off access in a state thato■ saw a 60%t■e■ incrn women seekingfá abortion after e was ç■overturned it does maker to 15 weeks in cases of rape,fá incest and humñ■o■ xd■rafficking anger erupting in the florida house during the debate for the

bill.ñ democrats and critics slamming the law asñ■ extreme all this as the issue of abortion is taking center stage in the 2024 campaign with presidential hopefuls pressed on theirlpi] campaign >> if we're looking at 15 weeks, what we need to understand is we are not okayñ■ç■ withxd■abortio until the time of birth. >> reporter: a showdown will soon reach the supreme court over a widely used abortion pill a federalt(■appeals court has blocked a texasñr■ruling on the approval of mifepristone attorney general merrick garlan■ strongly disagrees with the

fifth circuit's decision and will soon take the case to the nation's highest court. >> as for florida, thatqabortion ban will notq■r right away governor desantis appointed several conservative justices to that bench and a decision is expected in the coming montp&■ >> laura, thank you so much. we appreciate it jen, this was ann=up(■"■last night without much fanfare sometime after 11:00l■ florida time by governor desantis. >> prime time to do a press event. >> in contrast to the 15-week ban he signed last year where there was a ceremony and a media tour and everything else there is a sense they're beginning to understand perhaps that the abortion issue is perhaps not a winning one for them on the state level or certainly onq■ the national lev given the events post roe last

june. >> beyond the fact thatxm women $■u■know they're pregnant until long after six weeks,t■ it is interesting one, governorwc■(■desantis, thi not the first bill in recent weeks he has signed in a version of the dark of night he signed the concealed carryçó■ bill also closed door, no press qs b him to try to sign things that will appeal to a smalll■ percentage of the republican base that he knows are not popular with the majority of people in the country or even florida. tpa■■■videoe1 montagelp inr jarrett's piecedó■you look at what tim scott has said over the last couple ofw■ days. he's a little caught up in his z■itions nikki haley. it may not be satisfying toçó■ millions of women across the

country, but it does tell you that even in the republican primary, they're not all saying i'm pro life, there's no exceptions they're trying to find a place themselves that's an interesting change or potential shift in the politics of this issue, at least on the trail. >> jen, interesting that even donald trump seems to understand that extreme restrictions on abortion are aç■ political loser for republicans? remember, after the midtermsc■ put the blame squarely on thexd■ republican views aboute■ aborti. donald trump is actually drawing a bit ofw■ a line between himse and ron desantis on this issue. >>o■o■ exactly they all want the evangelicals,

they all want the conservative christian vote that vote is not one that is open to x +■ons on abortion rights and access. but they also have polling and recognize this is a big motivator for women and not just on partisan lines. it's an interesting area to watch. i wouldn't have predicted this a couple of years ago about a republican primary, but it is an interesting area to watch to see what thex■ winning position is ■ this particular issue. >> let's bring in democratic congresswoman abigail spanberger of virginia, a member of the house intelligence committee and a former cia officer thanks forq■being here let's start with this law signed last night in fr/■r"a, a not go into effect right away. they're waiting on a supreme court decision on the previous

15-week ban before they decide on what the ban will look like what is your reaction to the news overnight >> my reaction to the news overnight is sadness for the women of florida, sadness for what this means related to our privacy, our right to make bo■ frankly it also makes me double down on the importance of oure1 we have 100ñi■seats in the house of delegates up in virginia, 40q seats in our state senate.ñ■ as we see those like governor desantis taking extreme action banning abortion at six weeks when so many women don't eveni] know they're president, it's an extraordinary step our republican governor wants t■ roll back the rights we have here in virginia impacting women's health care, impacting the ability of women to make decisions about their own lives between them and their doctors

it has neverñ■ been more importt than it is right now for virginians to get out and vote and make sure we have a legislature who will not pass bills and send them to our governor's desk as they have in florida. at the federal level weçó■need continue moving forward, reinstating what was believed to be constitutional protection of privacy privacy. legislatively we must do it at the federal level. but at this point in time,r focused on our novembere1 dty in florida shows how much risk] >> i want to ask you #z mifepristone with this ruling last week, it's very murky for a lot of women outxd■here it's going to go to the supreme court. i wanted to ask youçó■what congress can actually do to

ensure there is access to the abortion pill. some governors haveçó■taken ste, not the governor of virginia, but others have taken steps to order abortion pills to make sure there's mifepristone. what can congress do and what would you support? >> so many of us are joined in an amicus brief in support of we do not want to see this ban on the abortion drug go into place. it has long been fda approved. the idea that a judge anywhere can just determine the scientific validitye1 of aw■ medication, asl■ was the case wh this texas judge and mifepristone, it frankly puts a variety of medications at risk already since the dobbs decision, we have seen that various states women have been

denied access to medication for their rheumatoid arthritis because it has thex■ impact of causing miscarriage in pregnant women, wholly unrelated to their we areñ■ seeing an attack on prescription drug medication adjudicated as wholly safe and long time q■approved now we have activist judges attacking women's accesst■ tñm e medication their doctors may prescribe. >> congresswoman, as a former cia officer, i want to get8■l■ iy(■on the news yesterday of the arrest of a 21-year-old massachusetts air national guardsman who'sxd■accused of taking national security docs and publishing them online%zá■á of the military have access to such national security secrets

>> that'sñi■a question that i certainly want the answers to as a former cia officer who handled cl information. thee1 idea that he would have access and exit a building with it is outrag!■ous to me. as a member of the house intelligence committee, i look forward to very aggressive questions related to how this would have happened, what they know of how he wast■ able to access these documents, what his clearances were, whykn he had direct access to thesee■ documes and certainly whate■ counter intelligence methods were in place to continue the review of individuals who have access. as has been ç■reported, this individual spoke in a way that was anti-government at fátimes,q expressed doubts about the intelligence community or law enforcement,l■ et cetera so how did that individual pass a background check to get access to these documents and certainly when he has

online persona that's so active and so at odds with the responsibility that he has given his clearance andfá his role in there not alarm bells going off about his level ofo■ trustworthiness and whether or not heq■ should continue to have access to those documents and that clearance. >> the white house and the pentagon somewhat playing down the information that was actuallyl■ exposed in terms of national security risks. based on what you've seen, what's your assessment of what's out there? any leak can speak to sources and methods. any leak that provides assessments of foreign governments, foreigni■ leadersh,

foreign e■capabilities, be they■ allies or adversaries, it is all bad. within the scope of how bad it is, certainly the department of state and department of defense officials who are doing a lot of the work of calling, engaging directly with their counterparts, certainly taking ownership, i would assume, ofxd■ this event andú ensure the relationships we have are not impacted is the action that they should be taking but, frankly, every minute of the dayok that a department ofx■ state, a national security person or department of if he was person is explaining making phone calls explaining or intelligence out in the public is a minute of the day they are not focused on u.s. national security interests wholly and fully and a minute of the day they are not leading their department focused on the service members of thef■ intel

it is a distraction thate■ is in this case present because one young man released information that he swore an oath to e protect. $the law. i thank the fbi and law enforcement for their strong work to determine wholp this leleak er was i assume that continued action will be clear in the coming e■ months. arraigned today, so we will learn more about what he exposì% and how he did it. thanks for your time this morning. coming upxd■on "morning joe the second of two expelled tennessee lawmakers sworn back into office one wee joining protests on the state house floor against gun violence state representative justin pearson joins us next. this weekend on my sunday today program on nbc, i get to gather with academy award winner

rachel weiss to talk about her chilling new series "dead ringers" which kind of flips the characters and the doctors in that 1988 movie "dead ringers"f■ starring jeremy irons. we also get into the possibility of her working with her husband daniel craig my conversation with rachel weiss, plus this morning'sk■■■ latest headlines and another life well lived coming up sunday on nbc

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god needed to wake us up to the reality of this moment that we've got a new generation and new ideas and new beliefs in order to guide us into the future what cameron sexton did for bad god has turned into good. >> tennessee representative justin j. pearson was sworn back into the state legislature yesterday after thee1 shelby

county board of commissioners unanimously voted to reinstate him wednesday. with pearson back in office, the republican effort to punish the tennessee three for their protest inside the chamber against gun violence effectively has failed now the x■protests follow the mass shooting atok a nashville priva school in which threee1 adults d three l■9-year-olds were killed. representative pearson, appreciate your time with us this morning i know you're happy to bei] back at the nashville legislature there in tennessee tell me about the last couple of days and this unanimous vote that took less than a minute to put you back in office. >> we havel■ to realize we are facing an anti-democratic republican party that seeks to silence voices ofw3■minorities so many different ways we have a leader in cameron sexton who seeks to destroy

democsu(v■in tennessee because lift up voices of people in our communities suffering from gun violence thet(■reality when we show the beautiful faces of six people at nashville covenantu■■■school who were murders because someonex■ walked in with an assault weapon and killed them. people in positions of power are refusing to act and not list to the call to do something to end gun violence of solution, the republican party of the state of tennessee has worked on expelling myself and representative jones the people in shelbyç■ county by the thousands made e-mails and phone calls to the county commission and thee■ county commission listened to the people,çó■realizing that the anti-de5o and the authority of cameron

sexton and the republican party was wrong in e1disenfranchising >> if the idea was to silence your voice and silence the voice of your colleague representative justin jones, the exact opposite has happened can you talk a little bit about the energy you've seen in the state of tennessee that's really grown across thee■ country arou the issue of gun safety because of what you two have been through for the last week and a half. >> what we are seeing is a new up to the call of doing something in this moment that they may not have done before we're seeing 9-year-olds and 12-year-olds and 18-year-olds and 20-year-olds marching and protesting at the state capitol. we'refá seeing folks who weren't going toe■ engage inç■ politics anymore saying i'm going to make my voice heard because we are part of a movement for justice

it isn't just about myself or representative jones or representative johnson as individuals. it's about the constituents that we represent by the hundreds of thousands demanding that we do something different in tennessee, that we don't listen to the nra over the voices ofe1 mothers like sarah, mothers like le von da thorn henderson whose son was killed we need to create just legislation for gun safety and gon gun reform that the majority s■c1 >> this is jen psaki i wanted to ask you about some elements of progress that haveo■ actually been made in large part thanks to your activism andok people on the streu■ the governor signedxd■into law e expansion of background chec

and has called for red flag laws do you feel that there is potential for moreç■ to happen the legislature there and what specifically do you think could happen >> i remain an eternal optimist not because i believe the republicans have had a change of heart, but wer to protest and useo■ our voice d citizens to demand change. i will work to turn that into a law to hear governor bill lee talk about a red flag law is a step the governor needs to use more political ande1ñi■social ca6)2■■ create real laws that improve and protect our communities.

too many false solutions have q" republican party like arminge■ teachers, lowering the age to carry guns from 21 to 18, putting a security guard with a gun in every school, all these false solutions. there are already enough guns for every american to have one.ç how do we prevent violence there has to be so much work wholistically ñ■done.ç the people of tennessee and across the world are demanding that we do something different while a statement is nice to have, a law is a need to have. the governor needs to do more to get the republican party to change the laws in this state that make it so easy to get a gun but so difficult to vote

we've got a lot more work to do. >> representative,ñ■ the shelby county board of commissioners has put you backl■ into office, but i understand byó[■ state law you'll face añi■special election later this year. are you confident you are back in the stateñ■ house for the lo run here >> i am always wanting to be of service to the district of 86 in memphis and to help and support possible, like elevating the issue of ending gun violence, reducing xd■overty, expanding access to health care, ensuring kids get equitable education opportunities. we proved time andg$átr■t■@&h(lc are the path of resilience we always are coming back. i hope to havbe of service to

district 86 in perpetuity. >> justin pearson representing memphis now with his job back. thanks so much for your time we appreciate it. >> thank you we're going to-,keep fighting. the focus on wall street is on big bank earnings as investors look for clues about &záy bank let's bringçó■in andrew ross sorkin >> here's what's happening we have a slew of bank lpearnin, from jamie diamond you heard a lot of■■ good news about where e bank is, huge profits, but more importantly a sense that a recession may not be as immediate as some people suspected. he's suggesting now that a recession may come, but is going to come maybe sometime later this year if not next. that's an important piece.

the thing that everybody's watching was deposits at pnc, because pnc is not necessarily one of the biggeste■ banks in t country. what we've been worried about is all these regional banks, whether there was a run on these banks in the wake of the failure of silicon valley bank, did folks take their money and put it ine1 bank of america or jp mo morgan pnc deposits were very stable. we'll hear a lot more from a number of other banks next week to get a lot more insight on that issue. >> also making some headlines this morning th payçó■took a nice hike last year along with the profits of the company. i guess it's no surprise that hist(■salary has gone up when y have record profits in 2022 for exxon andçó■other big oil

comp companies. >> what's so fascinating is to juxtapose his salary versus the salary of the ceo of amazon. he actually got no new money what you have here is a question mark what are you paying for when you have these big ceos and big managers what are you paying for? are you paying for the fact that the economy and these external forces take place, meaning the price of oil goes up or are you paying for operations and operational excellence clearly in the case of amazon, that stock has fallen quite remarkably in part because it had gone up quite remarkably during the pandemic and also because we're seeing that the teche■ giants have been challenged a lot of folks today are looking at not just the pay ate■ exxon, but juxtaposing that against th■

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. an arrest has been made in connection with the death of cash app founder bp2÷■lee. the 43-year-old was discovered in the early morning hours by police ten days ago with apparent stab wounds miguel almaguer has the latest. >> reporter: moments before bob lee was captured staggering down a san francisco street mortally% wounded, police say this man stabbed the 43-year-old multiple times. the two tech executives acquaintances. >> what can you tell me about the suspect and the victim's actions prior to the murder? >> the evidence is that they knew each other. there's still more to delve into ino■ terms of what the depth of that relationship was.

>> reporter: the suspect expected in court later today, was arrested at an earlye■ morng raid hes■i launched a tech company expand i.t. in 2010. was there some type of altercation before the stabbing occurred >> i can't disclose. >> reporter: lee appearede1 to y and wave down help at 2:35 tuesday april 4th. >> there's a male e■screaming, help, someone stabbed me and he'se■ bleeding out. >> reporter: police would not say if lee identified his attacker when he called 911 or if the murder weapon was recovered. >> i don't have a specific timeline i just know our folks were following evidence that eventually led to our suspect. >> reporter: a tech titan who created cash app, three was a

father ofqtwo who had recently moved from the city to miami his family saying bob loved being in san francisco and san franciscoe1 loved bob.ç■e■ after his murder, the citye■ vilified by many, includingç(q&■ musk, for being soft on crime and a haven for lawlessness. >> reckless and irresponsible statements like those in mr. musk's tweet that assumed incorrect circumstances about toxd■ mislead the world in their r■@c >> reporter: as san francisco leaders fired back, they insist the tragedy that unfolded could have happened zñzwhere now in a case that shook the city to its core, an arrest has been made. how confident are you in the strength of the evidence that you have that you have the right guy and you can make a conviction >>?■■■absolutely confident

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just four days after a mass shooting at a bank in louisville, kentucky, republican presidential hopefuls will take the stage in neighboring indiana today for the nra's annual convention donald trump, mike pence will be mo among the speakers let's bring in nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard who is in indianapolis ahead of today's event. vaughn, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, willie i think republicans over the past year have answered the question of whether they would come here to the nra convention. of course in 2018 after the parkland shooting it was the parkland students who were going back to prom when the likes of then president trump and vice president mike pence came to the nra convention, and it was last year three days after the shooting in uvalde, just three days later when donald trump returned to the nra convention in which he delivered a speech

noting that he believed that none of the gun safety reform measures that were being proposed by democrats at the time would have saved any lives in uvalde. he had suggested that it was meant to shift blame to individuals who have guns and that is what you should expect to see from the former president again today. he has released no statement related to the louisville shooting from four days ago or the nashville shooting from two weeks ago, but he's not the only one who is going to be here. i'll let you take a look at what is being set up here the mags are being put into place here in downtown indianapolis it's not only donald trump who will be speaking later on this afternoon but also mike pence, chris sununu, the governor of new hampshire, asa hutchinson, nikki haley, tim scott, ron desantis will be virtually appearing. we're hours away from when donald trump will actually be taking the stage

folks are here in line early to get in how far of a drive did you take to come into town here >> actually, not very far, but i sure didn't want to miss it. >> what are you in line for? >> president trump. >> president trump >> and your husband? >> he's here going through all the booths and all that, and then he's going to join me in line later >> sherie, thank you very much take care today. this is sort of the sight you're looking at here, it's one in which the republican nominees for president as well as potential candidates are lining up, yes at a time in which they are going through financial struggles, and one in which we expect tens of thousands of folks to come to downtown indianapolis to hear these potential presidential prospects as well as going through the expo site here, willie. >> those candidates and potential candidates parading through indianapolis while the conversation around gun safety intensifies. nbc's vaughn hillyard, thanks so much we appreciate it jen, you've got another big show lined up on sunday

i know you spoke with democratic congressman jamal bowman of new york about this issue, about guns and what progress is p possible in washington. >> that's right, willie, and congressman bowman was a principal of a middle school he founded before he ran for congress one of the reasons he ran -- we talked about this -- is because he felt nobody was talking about the kids violence, shootings, mental health issues and he wanted to be a voice for that. i also asked him about his thoughts on arming of teachers he was pretty clearly opposed to that and did not think that in any way that was the answer. we'll have more of that, senator bernie sanders, also jordan klepper who has attended a lot of nra conventions and will have a lot of thoughts of that. >> jordan klepper from the daily show has kind of become an expert on this kind of thing jen, your show has become appointment viewing on sundays you can watch "inside with jen psak psaki" this sunday at 12:00 noon great to have you with me for the hour >> thank you, willie. coming up next on msnbc, the

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