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>> what's going to be differen about florida's election i 2022 what are you about to sign >> right now, i have what we think is the strongest electio integrity measures in th country. i'm going to sign it right here, it will take effect. [applause] there you go, the bill i signed >> there you go, the bill is signed that was florida governor ro desantis as he signed hi states voter suppression o back in 2021 as you saw there, governor desantis did not sign that controversial law in a small private ceremony in his office or even a big public ceremon at the state house the governor decided that he would make a big to do of th voter suppression bill b signing it live on fox and france friends. voter suppression bill signings are the type of stuff that fox puts on its morning shows, which is, okay -- for desantis, this was all par of his unapologetically anti

woke persona, sign a controversial bill onl supported by hard-core conservatives and do it live o their favorite tv channel. now keeping all that fanfare i mind, contrast that moment wit how governor desantis announce his signature for florida's ne six-week abortion ban. there was no fox & friends rol out, no public ceremony. desantis announced his signature of florida's new six-week abortion ban with a tweet. signed the heartbeat protectio act which expands pro-life protections and devote resources to help young mother and families take a look at the time stam there, 11:04 pm eastern time no cheering crowds, no steve d you see, just a one sentence t a time when half the state contraband that is how much republica presidential hopefuls ar scared of their party' position on abortion right now

this is not just ron desanti we are talking about here was south carolin republican senator tim scott being asked about abortion i his first major interview sinc announcing that he is explorin a campaign for president >> your colleague from south carolina, lindsey graham, has bill to limit abortions at 1 weeks, federal restriction do you support the measure >> i would say this. i am certainly 100% pro-life without any question i've been very clear about that, very consistent about that >> do you think the federa government should be involve with something like what lindsey graham is proposing? >> there's no question that we are going to have lots of folk talk about legislation from federal perspective. >> but as president -- if you were president -- when you advocate for federa limits >> once again, i am 100 percen pro-life - -- >> so, yes >> that's not what i said. -- on a very important topic.

>> senator scott tried to clea up the answer in an intervie today with nbc news ali vitale but he only made things more confusing. >> if i were president of th united states, i would literally sign the mos conservative pro-lif legislation that they can ge through congress >> how do you square the state's rights issue with federal ban that would say - set a marker >> i was simply saying - >> so you can back any type of national ban >> i'm not going to do a bunch of hypotheticals >> i would sign the most conservative pro-lif legislation that can get through congress, senator scott, says hypothetically. then he says, he won't tal about whether he supports national abortion ban because, you know, he does not want t do hypotheticals >> the politics of abortio have gotten really bad for republicans, but there is on person who understands the problem better than the rest donald trump no, really, donald trump he kind of gets it

here's the headline from rolling stone. we are getting killed on abortion - inside trump's secret meetin with the religious right quote, trump has warne antiabortion leaders in off th record conversations tha republicans risk losing bi unless they follow his lead. in these frank talks, trump as stressed that this is his 2024 plan, saying it's necessary to prevent democrats from paintin him as an extremist. just think about that for second, you are an antiabortio later meeting with donald trump, the man who ran for presiden in 2016 on a platform of banning all muslims from entering the united states the man who is currently running for president on a platform of blanket pardons fo domestic terrorists who storme the u.s. capitol on january six, and that guy is telling you, hey, guys, turn it down a bit, you are freaking people. that guy republicans have a real proble on their hands here, and it is

more than just abortion. today was the first day of the nra's annual convention in indianapolis, less than tw hours away from the say of our nation's most recent high-profile mass shooting i louisville, kentucky and just days after tennesse republicans embarrasse themselves by trying and failing to kick to democrats a the state legislature fo protesting gun violence. now, mike pence was one of the speakers at today's nr convention, when he was booe by members of the crowd. though, there were no chants o hang mike pence. so i don't know, maybe thing are looking up for mike pence. donald trump was the headlin headlining guest at that event and because he is donald trump this is what he had to say >> i hope you gave pence a goo warm approval. no - because he is a nice man, if you want to really know th truth. he is. he's a good man. and i heard it was very rough. it was a big new story

you made news today. i don't know what you did, but you made news today with the introduction you gave. >> with friends like that -- pence and trump where they are in person. other republican presidentia hopefuls were clearly wary o showing up to a nra meeting in the middle of a national reckoning on gun violence, s they travel to the nra convention using the internet. >> ladies and gentlemen, pleas direct your attention to the screens for a special messag from florida governor ro desantis >> hello, this is governor ron desantis >> hello, senator tim scott -- >> hey it's, nikki haley comin to you from iowa >> warmest regards from iowa all you people i don't want to the scene with in indiana. there is a reason that these republicans are not showing up to the nra convention. there is a reason that they ar sending in video messages. there is a reason they won't answer the questions and - there is a reason why they signed the bills in the dead o the night, because their extreme positions on everythin from abortion to guns, those

are terrible politics. they are totally at odds wit the american public, s republicans know this. but somehow, they just don't really want to do anything about. joining us now is mike murphy, republican strategist, co-director of the center fo the political future at th university of southern california and political analysts at msnbc, michell goldberg, new york times columnist and msnb contributor. thank you both for joining us. michelle, watching these republican candidates just get themselves into gordian knots, fall into word salads when trying to expand our positions on these very extreme abortion laws, i am at once, no surprised but on the other hand, they had months. you could see this coming, lik a mack truck on the highway, and there is no coherent response from a gop candidate. >> i am thinking of a couple o things first of all, people convinced them selves that this is going

away, or that the pro-choice site was overstating what th reaction was going to be they've convinced themselves that they represent, quote unquote, the people. when they find out that they'r on the wrong side of publi opinion, they flow around. the other thing is that, the are in this bind because the can't get too far from the 1 positions, given how rapid their base is, particularly, the ones that are planning primaries against donald trump they're all trying to do thi ted cruz thing of running to his right on these issue because they don't know how to criticize him on the managemen of the country or inciting a insurrection or being indicted on many counts of -- >> potential obstruction o justice, the grift, it's etra goes on >> right so you had mike pence, w telegraphing before he gave hi speech tonight that he was going to outflank trump on guns

and say that trump was too sof on the second amendment, yet h ends up in front of an audienc that seems rather split on whether hang mike pence was an appropriate rallying cry >> yet, he keeps going - yet, he is still running for president. mike, i want to touch on something that michell goldberg wrote so eloquently about in the new york times, which is the notion that there are some republicans behind th scenes you drank the kool-ai on this notion that the go represents the people and th people want this and the polling be dammed, the election result be dammed, but that true america somehow want these draconian restrictions is that what is happenin inside the party it's very hard to understand exactly how and why they kee getting themselves into this position >> i think there are som people who feel that way in re states, just like there ar people on the far left in blue states, where i think they are carrying the torch for wha

america wants. i think what you're seeing tha and both parties, frankly, but particularly noisy in th republican party, it's primary politics at work the first contests is iowa, th iowa caucuses. the democrats got rid of the caucus is in iowa, the republicans didn't and and a significant part o that vote is evangelical so, some of these candidates are thinking, to kill trump of politically in iowa, which i think is very possible i was surprised when i was there how little support there was for him. i've got to make sure th evangelicals don't guy go by rick santorum and beat me. tim scott was the most interesting of the soundbite that you had in your introduction package in politician code, i'll vot for the most pro-life thin that can pass congress is th beginning of digging a tunne for the general election to try to pull out of it - so the intention of th republican primaries will be the politics of the iowa caucu in a multi-way fields with everybody worrisome that someone will get on the right,

versus winning politics for th general election, with the democrats have used some o these republican positions as wedge hammer and they've had a lot of political success with them. so, it's a dilemma for these candidates and right now, my view is that they're veering too far into the grave of the general election you need to look no farthe then the wisconsin supreme court race - we just had. the republicans go slaughtered. >> to follow on that, mike i've been privy to conversations on both sides of the aisle, but there i consistently competition among democrats that happens durin presidential election season where you have democrats who are died in the war liberals and they say, i love tha person but there's no way he o she can win in a general and so they don't support that person it seems like the opposite i true with republican primary voters, where they are, like extreme as possible, otherwise you can't be the nominee with no concern about actual general election chances - i mean, it's not a mystery tha after primary season comes a general. >> - you know, the reason they ar

abandoning trump's they don' think he can beat joe biden. on the one hand, you do have a electability caucus. on the other hand, it tends to be a pro-life party. but the old pro life positio -- that you can win a presidentia election on, by the way -- it's not an extreme position among americans, is to ban lat trimester abortions. but now, the most aggressive edge of that movement -- you see things like th six-week deal, which i absolute political poison. so, this is going to settl out. but right now -- you know, it's funny, i saw post election poll i wisconsin. i looked at polling in a lot and have done a lot of supreme court races. it's always crime as the numbe one thing people vote on because they hear judge, the think crime. this thing - abortion was 30 points ahead o crime in what people made th decision on, and wiped out the republicans. so, the republicans are goin to go into swing states like wisconsin and destroyed decide we don't have a public referendum on abortion rights,

that aggressively, they ar going to lose elections. so, i think that force wil gain power in the discussion particularly after the iow caucus >> michelle, just a note on th late term abortions, which i think it bears mentioning, because this is not like women deciding at 30 weeks that they want to get rid of or terminat a pregnancy. this is often medicall medically necessary decision -- the life of the mother, or fetus is in grave danger these are wrenching decision and the way in which late term abortions have been politicize is abominable. >> yeah, and i want to disagre with mike i don't think - it's not as if the position of the republican party or th antiabortion movement ha changed. it's just that what it's possible for them to do ha expanded they've always said that thi is what they want, this is wha they are intending they passed all the stat trigger laws to go into effect if roe v. wade was overturned. they selected judges and pus pushed them to to overturn roe v. wade.

many of them have sponsored th human life protection act, which would give personhoo that is to fertilized eggs and zygotes. it's just the people in some ways did not believe it. they did not believe they were serious. >> well, it's the dog wh caught the car - >> now everyone can see that they really meant it, that the are going to do this to us >> i am not one to think tha donald trump is a grea strategist, but on this, h seems clear. this is a bad thing for th party. i don't want to talk about if i am going to be the no many in wayne, i'm not going t be out there on a limb talking about a full on abortion ban he thinks republicans have t emphasize exceptions for abortions in cases of rape incest or the threat to mother's life. is that adequate i still think that the majorit of americans want a more expansive view of reproductive freedoms, but at this point, i don't know, maybe he is on t something there. >> i think no -- i think that's a more palatabl position than what other peopl

in the republican party have certainly. i think exemptions becom tricky for democrats because it's hard to sometimes explain why they are not practice-able -- why they don't work in practice, even if they sound okay in theory although, i think we're not no learning around the country, we're getting this crash cours and what it means to hav doctors wondering what sort of lifesaving interventions are okay, and which ones aren't. >> mike, i know you wanted t get in here about trump pushed trump's strategy go forward, if you will. >> he's always bee instinctively pro-choice and he's totally cynical so he's happy to make th switch but i will make a cash money bet that the republican nomine is - and i don't believe it will be donald trump - that the general electio position will be banne exceptions of late ter abortions. that will be where it lands in the general election and most people biden will b talking about the economy. if a republican candidate in the general election says i am totally committed to a six-wee ban, they will blow th election and -- a lot of pivoting on

this >> yeah, i've got to as you, because you said somethin fairly interesting to, i think all of us, which is, you don't think donald trump is going to be the nominee can you just explain why tha is >> yeah, he is minions 5 we've seen the movie there's tremendous trump fatigue. i was out in iowa for two days earlier this week. i gave a lecture at a politica center, simpson college, a lot of politicians came. i've worked in iowa politics for two decades, governor races, caucuses i talked to a lot of my ol operative pals palace who ar still knee-deep in iow politics not one of them thought donald trump would win the iowa caucus not one. they don't know who will win but they think trump is over if trump goes to the first tes in the iowa caucus - 180,000 republicans -- by the way, there are 175,00 democrats with nothing to do that night - and he gets beat - a lot of people thought he might fall to third in the end the race will turn inside out,

and trump will be in a very, very bad position. so, you heard it here first. >> i did hear it here first. i will invite you back whe mike pence is at the top of th ticket running with mike pompeo mike murphy, michelle goldberg -- >> - who dropped out today -- >> well, he said he was no running, but that does not mea he would be considered for a v ticket, right? who knows? thank you both for your time this evening i really appreciate you both thank you, guys. coming up, the supreme court gets ready to decide a futur of abortion pills in thi country but says nothing about the present ethics violation of clarence thomas and just ahead, i sat down wit one famous queens native t discuss his new series on msnbc, as well as what he thinks of another famous queens native that is ahead. >> we knew that he was a loser we knew he was a scam artist but america did not know it they believe th apprenticeships apprentice we met him, we knew him, w knew if he was up to awh, use priceline. they have package deals no one else has. [son inflates]

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intervene in the battle over access the medication abortions, dozens of protesters gathere outside the court to make thei voices heard hours later, supreme court justice alito responded to the justice department he paused a lower court orde restricting the abortion pil mifepristone until wednesday a 11:59 pm so as of this moment, access t medication abortion remain unchanged. but the supreme court has no yet ruled on the merits of thi case, which means the justices could still rule in favor of nationwide restrictions on mifepristone later as protesters across the country have made quite clear, people do not trust this court to be fair according to recent gala polling, american approval o the supreme court has plummete in the past few years, to 40%. the courts reversal of reproductive freedoms may no be the only reason here. there are the decisions an then there are the justice themselves in the last two weeks alone, there has been bombshell

reporting courtesy o propublica about the lavis gifts bestowed upon justic clarence thomas by a billionaire conservative donor named harlan crow. in the last 24 hours, we hav learned that justice thoma failed to disclose that crow bought and renovated propert thomas owned, includin thomas's childhood home and to vacant lots on the road fo more than $133,000 crow also bought the house nex door to the thomas home, which removes noisey neighbors, an crow bought several othe properties on history, which sparked the construction of ne modern homes that, wouldn't yo know it, transform the block this is the same billionaire donor that bank world some promises lucky travel and plan flights. they confirmed this week tha justice thomas's mother is not living in the house that mr. crow bought by mr. thomas an renovated. hey, who is counting

joining us now is dahlia lithwick senior editor at slate, host of the podcast, amicus an author of lady justice, women, the law and the battle to save america. dahlia, i am such a fan of everything your right an you're thinking on these matters. i was shocked. i've been shocked reading abou clarence thomas and the gift he has accepted. there is a law that says tha the justices must disclose rea estate sales over $8,000 he did not do that they hear the harlan cro bought justin thomas's house thomas discloses a stained glass medallion and said nothing about a 140,000 dollar real estate sale how does that work >> it's of a piece the stuff from us week that pr reported, these half million dollar jaunts, make a megajets and super yachts, all of it. thomas uses this loophole, hospitality loophole, and mayb he does not have to disclose this you may recall last week, when he had to issue a statement, which is telling, he does no usually do that.

he more or less said, i aske some guys, and they tell me was cool which is amazing from contextualist. but this one is really bad because, as he said, there i no wiggle room there is no way to look at the statute and no way to look a the need to disclose and fudge it the fact that we still heard nothing from justice thomas, nothing from chief justice roberts, there seems to be the vibe that maybe we'll just hop that this goes away, the sam way we hope that ginni thomas' activities around january si went away. what is interesting is the feeling out there in the world that this one is sticking. >> can you talk a little bit - you point out in your most recent piece that thomas has had a history of being, shal we say, anti disclosure. can you talk about the history >> i cowrote this piece with m colleague mick joseph ster today. one of the things that we were noticing is that he is alway sticking out really extreme, almost loner positions if you look at citizens united

he has this whole discursion o how you can have disclosur because people will come and harassed you the internet, they will make you feel bad we cite other cases where time and time again, he has thi notion that if you are force to disclose, people are goin to come after you. they are going to bully you. it's really interesting proble because it seems now that he's been writing this into the doctrines, seemingly for years and years and kind of secretly living the same ethos. >> literally getting money fro this billionaire while he is like, disclosure is a bad, bad thing. no one should have to disclose things >> if you come after me fo failing to disclose, you are a bully. we are living the perfec feedback loop where he gets to say, look at these peopl harassing me it must be that disclosure i bad. >> there are other conservativ justices that don't necessaril feel the same way as thomas on the issue of disclosure.

>> right, we quote -- in our piece, who ripped into him and when these cases this is just cowardice if there were a case where justice thomas is taking a position that you put your nam on a referendum for a ballot initiative in this case, anti-gay marriag fell a native, and tha disclosure of identity means that you're subject to reprisals and violen harassment justice scalia just took him t the woodshed and was like, thi is just cowardice. >> stand up for what you are doing. this is the home of the brave. i do wonder -- you said this time might b different. do you think that there coul be any punitive measures taken here >> it's so hard to know, alex. there's the sense that merrick garland should do something, the court should be forced t have ethics rules. somebody should appoint an inspector general. there's a sense when you liste to people inside the white house and others, that there i some momentum, in some ways, tto foist that momentum onto the court, to act on its own behalf is a bridge too far.

the question then becomes, can we do something congressionally? can you impose a code of ethic from congress? can you do a thing that is a core conforming its behavior and ethics rules to every othe federal judge has to abide by. i don't know but either th attorney general or th administration or somebody i the justice department is goin to say, enough is enough >> merrick garland, the nation turns its lonely eyes to you >> how much is this casting shadow over the decision tha is on the courts front burne now, which is the mifepristone decision it's amazing that it has not been turned out, but here we are. they have a couple of days dea with this. do you think this figures it all in, and how do you see tha playing out? >> i think that there are so many swirling plates i think that the court is stil recovering from the dobbs leak last year and the unbelievable

investigation into the dobbs leak i think the court is way behin in terms of publishing written opinions this year the pace is unbelievably snow. the last thing that the cour wanted was to have dobbs lan on its doorstep again with a big i told you so wink emoji really, you told us that w could build interstate travel, and you told us that this woul be decided by the politica branches and not the judiciary to have this come back to th court, while everything else feels like the wheel coming of has to be a nightmare for th justices, and i do think tha the judge in washington stat jammed them by saying, pick lane we can't both be right i think that this is a nightmare for the court, because this is the last thing they want this term, is this o top of informative action an the child warfare act, the independence day it's all piling up, and no dahlia lithwick dahlia lithwic

we have this. >> dahli lithwick, one of my favorite writers period but especiall on the urgent matters at han of the court it's good to see you, thank yo for joining the show >> thank you. >> still ahead we knew that special counsel jack smith was investigating a trump may had illegall fundraised off the big lie and now, new reporting indicates that mr. smith is interested i how those funds have bee influenced to testimony in the influenced to testimony in the mar-a-lago heading on a family trip? coming up after, that my nah, sorry son, prices are crazy, [son deflates] interview with actor joh leguizamo. what he thinks that donald trump and a shared on town and whatever happened to latino' three? that is all ahead, stay with us do it! ♪go to your happy price♪ ♪priceline♪ want luxury hair repair that doesn't cost $50? pantene's pro-vitamin formula repairs hair. as well as the leading luxury bonding treatment. for softness and resilience, without the price tag. if you know... you know it's pantene.

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paying taxes? not a donald trump break we don't really pa them at a break from actuall sending stuff to the irs if you do, there is somethin really great happening here on msnbc that you won't want to miss 10 pm eastern, msnbc wil present "leguizamo doe america", a new series, by joh leguizamo. across six and upset as john travels across the country taking a look at the latin communities like chicago, miami, and d. c.. the first installment takes look at new york city and will tell you from firsthand viewing it is a delight. the show premiers sunday at 10

pm eastern on msnbc and it streams on peacock but earlier today i had th opportunity to talk to joh about how the show came to be. we also chatted abou everything else, what was like growing up in queens, latino voters, and the relationship with religion, and what it was like to host the daily show on the day when donald trum became the first forme president to be indicted check it out >> tell me a bit about how i came to be did you have the idea and then execute? or did someone come to you and say you've got to do thi because the country needs this right now? how did it happen? >> latin history for morons, because i was a moron. i didn't know about our lati contributions, vast incredible contributions. i didn't know about our history in thi country in this world and al of a sudden once this knowledg hits you your changed and i wa a changed man. i think people have told m when i see this before the were changed forever because once you know that w

had all these empires here, al this ethnic group, the largest ethnic group in america, where we discovered america, w conquered ourselves because i' indigenous and spaniard so tha happened there and then building america, w were part of it. it was built on our backs. we are strivers. we are resilient we are here. we add 2. 8 trillion dollars t the gdp every year >> amazing we would be the fifth larges economy in the world, bigger than england and here we are. >> it's an asian american, i understand the feeling we are unsung in terms o economic and political clout and you say you didn't kno your history in th contributions of the latin community in americas or i america specifically why do you think that is

what is it >> psychosocial erasure. our contributions are erased for obvious reasons. we are such a huge force i america and its work because b not knowing our contribution and our history it kept me fro being more vocal, kept me from demanding what is due me kept us from demanding mor power and clout. half of america used to be mexico and arizona, montana, texas, california, new mexico, nevada full of latin people and have been for 500 years. so you keep those people dow by keeping history from them taking their political power their wealth and then you ca move them and you can contro them and manipulate. >> i don't mean to b monolithic about this, but how do you talk about and talk t the latinx community in this day and age, and why aren' politicians more successful? >> how do you speak to a diaspora like the latin people

i mean, when i do my shows that's how i learned how t talk to them, because i was very new york city kid, very ghetto, colombian and your rican and i didn't think m story would travel i didn't it could travel outside to york. then on to chicago and boom, this mexican puerto rica community loved what i was talking about. when i went to texas my mind was blown again because they dug it too, and here i was talking about a very specifi experience, but they understoo i spoke for them i think if you're specific about your experience, i resonates with other latin people and hopefully resonate wit other groups as well >> one of the themes you explore in miami is why th latinx population is movin toward the republican party. for people who haven't see that episode yet, can you give us a sort of preview on your thesis there >> there's a couple of reasons

we latin people are stil mostly catholic, we ar converting to evangelism i large numbers because th church has failed us and s many ways. so they are conservative is a conservative elemen within the latin community so you have that but we still voted democrati because we felt it protected unions, it protected the minimum wage, and they wer talking for us bernie sanders is the only one who done it right. you know why >> why >> because he got lati consultants. nobody else did. and they told him what he ha to say, what he had to focus on, and what he had to do and he did those things >> tell me, what were thos things >> talking about the workforce always talking about jobs, always talking about the economic, yes, economics especially working class economics. that's the majority where we are trapped for the most part.

latin women are the number one small business creators in america, but they can't ge bank loans to grow their business latin women are the lowest pai workforce in america it's painfully obvious to me when i look and walk around ne york and go to offices and i'm in l. a., it feels like cultural apartheid, where al these fancy executive office and buildings and the lati people are all doing all the labor, the work. >> they're not in the c suite. you mentioned new york jus there, and i want to touch o it for a second. because the first episod begins in new york >> my origin story >> your origin story, i've got to say, and it's not jus because i covered politics all day, i think the new yorkiness of a very prominent figure i our politics helps explain som of his psychology. at your from cool queens >> bridge and tunnel my wife calls me bridge an tunnel, i get it >> donald trump's from queen as well. >> not well -- >> but there is something yo say. you talk about this, a momen

in the first episode where you talk about manhattan and it was like, to get across the bridge it's oz it's the city on the hill. >> unreachable in a way. >> a close enough that you can mingle, you rub shoulders. >> but then you see all th rich, wealthy people because new york it's not like l. a.. you can get out your car i was bumping with them in the subways. i was seeing them in their fancy stores and restaurants but you know you couldn't ge to them. or get there >> and that the elusiveness of that manhattan power and wealt becomes, in some people's minds, the driving project of their lives. you understand, to some degree what i think is a majo organizing principle in donald trump's life, which is power and money. >> he was born into wealth >> he was born into wealth >> he didn't acquire it, and h lost it, basically if he had been able to be real great financier he woul have tripled >> his father bailed him out

not trying to draw parallels between the circumstances yo grew up and what he grew u into, but the obsession with wealth >> you can see a lot of ne yorkers. he's not alone in that obsession. manhattan has become that, unfortunately. we lost because of the disparity, it's all bankers an real estate developers, an that's sad >> trump was at the vanguard o all of that. he helped make that happen you are hosting the daily show the day that trump got - >> that was crazy. first of all it was the most coveted news story that all th other -- and they were like oh, joh got. i was most go on the air and they said stop you've got to stop you have to rewrite the firs 15 minutes you've got to take a pause we told the audience to wait they had to rewrite the whol opening segment because trum got indicted everybody was waiting for that >> and you, lifelong new yorker, you know this guy.

>> met him a few times yeah >> you've met him, he's getting arrested in new york this is a national story but it's a new york story. >> because we knew him we knew that he was a loser. we knew that he was a scam artist but america didn't know. that they believe th apprentice we knew him, we met him, and w knew what he was up to, and we knew he wasn't the real deal we know what that smells like, what it smacks of, and h didn't have that >> and what was it lik announcing the news that he wa getting arrested for both yo as a broadcaster in that momen but also was a new yorker? >> it was crazy. it was like how did this gol moment land in my lap. and of course producers at the daily show kept reminding me how lucky and coveted that was and then when i announced it t the audience because their phones were turned off, they weren't allowed to be texting, they screamed. the energy in that room was so electric that i had to jus flow with it i'd be like this, i had to sur it >> how do you think of thi moment politically at one point there are peopl who are incredibly heartened that the justice system finall --

>> it works. >> no one's above the law. >> but some people are als terrified about what may be to come >> nobody watched me wasn't he disappointed nobod came to watch we get fingerprinted? do the perp walk >> you've perfected your trump >> i'm perfecting it a work in progress >> and we're seeing back to th theme of the show, we ar seeing this concerted effort t erase history and in schools and history books. >> disgusting. >> desantis in florida, an you're trying to push in the other direction which is let's look at our history, look at our contributions. >> we have to push back, fight against that attempt to take our history out, that it's trying to put back in. if american history book aren't accurate, they're fiction. it's a fiction if you don't put all the thing that really happened, we latin people are the only ethnic group who has fought in ever single war that america ha ever had, and where the most awarded in each of these wars,

i'm talking american revolution, those stories are nowhere to b seen, nowhere written. so this fight, we need t double down on the fight and protect and stay woke. even though they make it sound like being woke is a bad thing it's a great saying. >> latinx. use the term sarah huckabee sanders wants t ban the term latinx from any public documents in the stat of arkansas. do you think of that as political statement at thi point? >> it's silly to be fighting over a term that you cal yourselves there's latin groups that ar young and elderly that don't like latinx, i love it sounds like we're x-men, lik were superheroes, latinxers. and it's inclusive, it's nonbinary. i think it's really incredible but let her try to ban it. just adds more fuel to being woke >> i'm ready for the joh leguizamo history course >> pbs, this fall, for real. >> for real? who knew

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and now it's time for the last word with my friend jonathan capehart, who is in fo lawrence >> great to see you, alex. have a good weekend. >> you too >> we're not gonna take it anymore. that's what protesters wer saying outside the supreme court today in response to yet another republican attack on abortion access. >> the next time we show up at the ballot, whether it be in 2 or 24, that abortion access is critical and it is one of th most important reasons for people to turn out and vote. we need to send a message to politicians that we're not going to take it anymore >> today the biden administration asked the supreme court to take emergenc action to stop a trump appointed judges ruling that would restrict access to