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good morning, it is saturday april 15th i am maria teresa kumar fillin in for my good friend, ali velshi the fight to keep a decades ol fda-approved abortion bill legal and accessible throughou the country's continuing thi weekend. the issue has now reached th supreme court. falling emergency appeals file by the justice department an drug manufacturer, danco
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laboratories, yesterday. they paused the court ruling that would have restricted access to the nationwide abortion pill, mifepristone. for, now at least until next week access to mifepristone ha been preserved the matter is far from resolved and the future of abortion pills remains uncertain. the order merely maintains the status quo for a few more days to allow the justices time t consider the issue the white house, on the othe hand, is doubling down o defending reproductive rights. on tuesday, vice president kamala harris, will be in reno nevada, to discuss the importance of keeping abortion legal. mifepristone is one of the two drugs often used to induce a abortion a method that is safe, effective and popular. medication abortion now counts for more than half of al abortions performed in the united states. meanwhile, a near tota abortion ban in florida will have dire consequences for those living in the south. late thursday night, the governor's office announce that ron desantis had quietl signed a bill into law tha
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will ban abortions after the sixth week of pregnancy. way before many women even kno that they are pregnant the law won't take effect unti florida supreme court resolves a challenge to the state current 15-week abortion ban which was signed last year florida is one of the last places where people can access reproductive care in the south a region that has quickl become an abortion desert. if or when florida's six-wee ban goes into effect, abortion will be entirely banne throughout the southern united states joining me now, michelle goodwin, a professor a university of irvine law school and director of the school center for biotechnology and global health policy she's an award winning autho of the book, policing the womb invisible women and th criminalization of motherhood. michelle, thank you so much fo joining me today i have so many questions but i really want to talk first, wha does it mean that there was stag by the supreme cour justice alito? >> this means that for peopl
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who need access to abortion to manage their miscarriages or determinate pregnancies, for whatever reasons there are tha someone would want to terminat a pregnancy. that will be widely availabl through this particular method it also says so much that th supreme court issued a sta against the district court order put in place by judge hi merrick out of amarillo, texas that ruling was extraordinary. it was so extraordinary that even the fifth circuit, whic is the most conservative b many accounts, a federal appears court in the country also did not buy what judg cause merrick was sellin through that particular order. even though the fifth circui order was also extraordinary a well so for, now as you mentioned abortion through this method i safe throughout the country. these pills can't be sen through the mail, pardon me, and all is good until wednesda when the supreme court wil
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info take up this issue. so i know that there is so muc confusion right now on where the legality of this pil stands i'm glad, for your clarification. but what is ironic is while yo have one state trying to ban the abortion bill you have another one, like washington state that is trying to make i sure that it is legal. can you tell the difference -- tell us the difference between the two court cases and wher do you think the supreme court may actually decide on i know you're trying to read into it but it's important for folks to really understand tha there is a dichotomy and wha is happening right now in th course of the courts >> the two cases were brough by two very differen petitioners. on one hand, we have a antiabortion set of medica providers, including a dentist and some other people who do not treat cases of abortion. their claim was that the fda had rushed to the marketplac mifepristone, that there hadn' been sufficient review and tha it is a dangerous drug and risks the health of the people
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who take it. those claims can be incorrectl sorted, meaning that we ca find truth through facts when we sort through the facts and the truth, the claims ar extraordinary and false. the fda has been 54 months o review with mifepristone it came into the market in 2000 the other average drugs that came into the marketplace in the year two thousands had bee under review for about 1 months these had far more review an had already been in th marketplace in europe. they also claim that the dru is unsafe. so people will take it and may risk health, may risk death. we also know that that claim i also false it is one of the safest drug altogether in the u.s. marketplace. not just with regard t reproductive medicines, bu with this particular drug that morbidity factors, the ris factors to health are lowe than taking tylenol, lower tha penicillin, lower than viagra. so the two leading claims were
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actually quite false we know through scientific evidence landon the last, judge has merrick leaned into the kind o stop a street and rhetoric o these particular petitioners the state of washington, it wa a different set. these were the attorne generals from blue states, largely, 17 of them that wan mifepristone to not only continue to be available but more accessible than what th food and drug administration had already allowed for becaus it is so safe. because it is a key method use to terminate pregnancies and the rulings are vastly different. on one hand, get judge kisse merrick leaned into what the petitioner said and wrote an opinion almost verbatim of wha the antiabortion petitioners wanted on the other hand, we have a ruling coming from a different federal district court tha says well, these claim actually makes sense he didn't offer all of what it was that the attorney generals wanted, but certainly it was nowhere near what we see comin
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out of texas and, in fact, wha is important - being on the marketplace and more accessible. >> michelle, before i leav you. you really need to underscor two things that you said one, this is been on the marke for over 23 years. it went from rigorous fd approval, but mourn fort lee it was also available on the market only in europe. almost a decade before this is not saying no. thank you so much, michell goodwin, for joining me. i'm sure we will have you back >> thank you >> joining me now, the democratic congresswoman barbara lee of california. she served as a co-chair of th pro-choice caucus in the house we should note, th congresswoman is a candidate for u.s. senate in 2024. congresswoman, i want to recognize that it is black maternal health week with you. something you tweeted yesterday, quote, did you know black wome in the u.s. are three time more likely to die fro preventable pregnanc complications than white women this is systemic racism so the plain and simple
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we need policies that center black maternal health an ensure that all birthing persons have the care they need, and quote. >> according to data from th cdc, the maternal mortalit rate for black americans's 202 is 70 per 100,000 live birth compared to just 26 for whit americans. access to abortion care shrink across the country, especially in the south, what would you like americans to know on ho this will affect black communities in particular? >> thank you so much for havin me this morning, maria first, we know that the attemp to ban abortion, this move towards a national abortion ba which is what this is now, wil disproportionately - you saw the map earlier with regards to the states, which for the most part have ver restrictive laws now that will either criminalized people who are making their own persona decisions about abortions,
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preventing them from traveling to other states. i mean, this is a real crisis. it just demonstrates the healt inequities in our health car system once again it is black and brown women and it is lo income women who are going t be most negatively impacted by this >> if you saw the map, you actually look at all the red states sadly, it is also th concentration of the poorest americans in this country, t your point what implications do you think that this abortion ban wil have on a larger political narrative? we saw that ron desantis, yo know, in the dead of night h decided to sign this antiabortion six-week ban. but we also know the majorit of americans do not believe in the six-week ban and are close to 15-week ban what political implications di you think this will have on th red states where, again, the need access to health care the most because of the rates of
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poverty that you see there >> sure, the reality is, peopl are going to be criminalized and abortions, for the mos part, are illegal or will be illegal. it has taken away a person's individual decisions on ho they want to handle their ow health care. these decisions placed government judges, elected officials, in the middle o such important personal medica decisions. it's taking away reproductiv freedoms, once again, it is on step towards radical right-win in this country trying t establish a national abortio ban. this is fundamentall undemocratic and it is wrong and it is disproportionately impacting black and brow people, low income people, people who live below th poverty line in red states and it is very dangerous wha is taking place. this is a crisis, it is public health crisis
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>> let's go a little bit mor because i think oftentimes w see what the republicans are doing in a silo, but when yo string everything together and you talk about preventin people from access to abortion care when you see these individuals trying to prevent access to th voting booth, in the sam states you see book banning, you se them basically try to remote not gun safety but gun exploitation for the most part what we do you think of this idea of the republicans wher in silos it seems innocuous bu together it is clearly a agenda that prevents peopl from exercising thei democratic freedoms? >> that is exactly it, they're also trying to prevent peopl from using contraceptives an birth control pills. that is one of their nex steps. so what is taking place is fundamentally undemocratic it is really an attack on one' personal freedoms. everyone should be up in arm because, as i, said they com for me today, they come for yo tomorrow
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this is an attack on trying to prevent medication abortions, don't. this is outrageous it is a safe drug. it is a safe - it is a miscarriage management medicine what is going to happen with the fda now in terms of th efficacy of the drugs that the are trying to do the researc for and to provide for saf medicines for other kinds of medical situations and medical issues and medical decisions people have to make thes decisions? drugs may or may not b available? this has widesprea implications of what they ar trying to do as it relates t taking away people reproductive rights and it really impacts so many other areas and we really have to be very concerned and speak out and fight back >> barbara, lee i think we are going to dig in more because you're absolutely right. the implications of a reversal of a 23 year old decade fd
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approved drug has implications not just for abortion care but perhaps other medication out there on the market. thank you for joining me and your clarity and your candor >> thank, you nice being wit you. >> the message is national guards airman accused of leaking top secret files documents, had his first day i court. up, next we will dig into th charges he faces and the ver latest on the geopolitical fallout. plus, donald trump was back in new york this week for eight hours of questioning in a civi case brought by the new york attorney general, not to b confused now with the criminal case being prosecuted by the manhattan d.a., and, he may be off this weekend but i would never let the wind book club slip we will bring you the intervie with you lisa arce about her memoir you sound like a white gi yrlou're watching msnbc, we will be right back will be right back ensure with 25 vitamins and minerals and ensure complete
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yesterday, the man accused o leaking top secret pentago documents on social media is slated to return to court on wednesday. 21-year-old, jack teixeira, is being charged with possessin classified documents pertainin to national security and possessing national defens materials. those charges carry a maximu of ten years in prison he has not yet entered a ple of guilty or not guilty. u.s. officials say that th schirra is an air national guard member since 2019 starte posting the classified documents online as recently a this past december documents contained hundreds o pages of classifie intelligence including assessments about the state of war in ukraine and key information abou americas allies an adversaries. joining me now to unpack all o this is nbc news correspondent george soliz george, can you tell me, how did this happen? you have such a junior membe of the national guard, all o the sudden he has access t some of the most highl classified pieces of
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information for u.s. intelligence how did this happen? >> maria, good morning, good t be with you. that is exactly what investigators are starting t piece together as we speak we know that this investigatio moved fairly quickly jack teixeira knowing that his name was out there the court documents reveal tha he actually began a search for the lead word leak on his u.s. government computer because he had a sense that the investigators were closing in. we know obviously that he ha access to some of these to secret informations. according to the court documents, he was transcribing some of the stuff. he actually started to fee that he was doing somethin illicit. again, this is according to th court documents. so then he starts photographin some of these documents an then post them online in a platform that the cour documents call social medi platform one we know this is a popular site for gamers and he starts photographing these images and posting them there to hi group.
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this is what we learned in these court documents is tha they interviewed a user on one of these sites and they bega noting that some of this information was starting t spread online and that is ho jack teixeira became aware o the investigators that we're o to him and so some background on him, as far as what we, know he is 21-year-old member of th massachusetts air national guard holding the rank o airman first class we know that he began postin somewhere around december of 2022 on the server that is, as th court documents, say it mean to discuss geopolitical an current affairs. as i, mentioned he began posting some of those texts of just images and then began photographing them and takin them to his house in massachusetts. so obviously there's a lot t piece together here and, a lot of investigators will be combing through weighing in on this, it's attorney general, merrick garland, about thi investigation in massively take a listen to what he said?
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>> the department of defense i leading an important effort no to evaluate and review the national security implications but most importantly t discussed a review of th methods of acces accountability and control procedures so that something like this ca never happen again and that is >> something tha investigators have noted tha anyone with this type of clearance should know better they are saying that he likely had to sign something lettin him know that possession o these documents, take them home, photographing, them anything was clearly i had no no. there is going to be a lot t unpack as far as a motive in this, case maria >> from what i've been, readin piecing it together, it seem like he just wanted to loo cool in front of his friend bu he has never physically. met but it was like on cha room which is bizarre. george, thank you so much for. that coverage. i think it's important for u to look at it closely becaus why he would put this type o information, online it put s many people in danger, so many of our military and our allies
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according to nbc news reporting, he spoke quite a lot that is a far cry from his previous deposition for this case back in august. in which he pleaded the fift more than 400 times. the trial is set for, to the trial is set for october also, this week an appeals court in washington d.c. declined to shield trump fro the first of - battery filed by writer e. jea carroll who claims trump raped her 30 years ago he repeatedly denied the allegations. the appeals court said it di not have enough facts to decid whether trump was acting a president when he accused caro of lying about the encounter i 2019 if the court had determine trump was acting as presiden and not as a personal capacity at the time, he could argu immunity because governmen employees can't be sued fo defamation so this preserves e. jea carroll's lawsuits against trump for now. and then there is the specia counsel investigating trump' attempts to overturn the 202
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election the new york times reports tha jack smith could be nearing th end of his probe and that he is, quote close to ending the fact finding phas of his work and is movin closer to a decision about seeking charges about mr. trum and others for more on all of, this i'm joined by andrew weissmann, he served as lead prosecutor fo robert mueller's special counsel office and the general counsel under the fbi unde mueller. he's also the author of, where law ends, inside the mueller investigation. so i want to start with, you andrews pass if ugly on what are we seeing the difference between trump of august when h refused to answer thes questions, and pled the fift over 400 times, to now where i seems like he was talking lot. >>,,, the reason that is important is if you do the
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fifth amendment, the jury ca be told that you did that an they can use that as an offers in france, they can say, gee i you had nothing to hide wh didn't you speak that does not and cannot happe in a criminal case because there is a constitutiona right. to remain silent in a criminal case so when donald shrimp -- before the civil charges wer brought, took the fift amendment so many times, he wa basically handing the case t letitia james because she ha whatever proof she hat and she could rely on the fift amendment assertion. but what has changed since the is a number of things the most important is there now civil charges that donald trump can look at and s he has a better roadmap to figure, out can he speak and avoid committing perjury b responding to some of th charges that laetitia james ha brought? and stop the jury from being told that he asserted the fift
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amendment. so that is his strategy and it may well work. the risky part is, as we all know, donald trump can b disciplined at times and can b unblocked disciplined at other times. we have obviously seen the tories examples of him being undisciplined. if he says something that is incriminating, that could be used not just in the civil cas but in admission that can be used by any criminal prosecutor that is the risk that he has taken. we just don't know at this point because we don't kno what he said, how th statements could be used >> so, interrupting now to another case that is befor him. the carroll case how do you think that's goin to play out? and if what he is facing right now with the a.g., is not gonn have any implications or bearings based on what he said on this case >> so i think those are really different, remember the ee thing carole case is a ver singular set of facts abou
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essentially defamation alleged from e. jean carroll, connection with a rape that sh says happens in a department store changing room years ago. that is a very different financial broad civil case tha laetitia james brought that case is scheduled to go b all accounts and is going to g to trial it's just a matter of days before the respected judge i the southern district of new york - i think the key facts to kee an eye out for is there ar apparently to contemporary u witnesses who e. jean carrol told this to why is that important? because i think the defens here is that this is all mad up because donald trump became president and this was her way of getting attention that is already of a farfetche claims, who is gonna put themselves through this ordeal
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but assuming that that i plausibility, problem with tha kind of defense is that if they're too credible contemporaneous witnesses wh she told years ago, long befor anybody else thought tha donald trump was gonna b president. i might, new yorker it would'v never occurred to me tha donald trump would b president. no one thought he would be president of the united states so she told that two people wh were credible. that is a thing that i would keep an eye out for. we >> and your, weisman than you so much you're so right, and life comes at you fast, in this cas donald trump is having a week. as i discussed at the top of the hour florida governor ron desanti has signed a bill bannin abortion after the sixth wee of pregnancy also on his agenda, a state of immigration bills. that's next, stay tuned. that's next, stay tuned. asthma isn't pretty. it's the moment when you realize that a good day... is about to become a bad one. but then, i remembered that the world
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this week for dreamers the biden administration announced it is expandin government health care coverag for daca recipients. daca, or the deferred action for childhood arrival progra is a federal policy that protects undocumente immigrants who came to the u.s with their parents as children passed in 2012, the progra currently grants recipient wor permits but does not giv access to government healt care friday's announcement mean that under the new program nearly 600,000 people will b able to apply for health car coverage through their state medicate agencies and through the federal health insurance marketplace. all of this comes as florida governor, ron desantis, is preparing to pass the toughest crackdown on undocumente immigration in the country since trump's anti - an a - it would force hospitals to as patients about their immigration status and repor it to the state. it would invalidate out of
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state drivers licenses belonging to undocumente immigrants desantis is also pushing t eliminated undocumente students access to instate tuition. we ratio are, as a political science professor -- author of latino americans, th 500th date legacy that shape the nation i want to get into, this we ha two different things happene today this past week in one scenario we had the president announced that dac recipients would be able t access government health care. and be part of the plan. for most, people that is kin of like a costco, the more people that are a part of that system the lower all of ou cost for health care go. juxtaposed though, you have ru desantis who is basicall demonizing the undocumente community for him to be able t get political gain what do you make of these tw juxtapositions >> the core question, maria, i as always when you are talking
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about daca recipients, do yo really think they are goin home to their nation of birth? they've been here a really lon time in many cases this is the only country the really know. if you think they are not goin home, do you want them educated? do you want them healthy what has more social utility for the country? these questions all ar operating on two tracks. policy and politics. as policy, it makes perfec sense to extend health care to people who are going to be residents here and give them i effect the same protection that people who are living her under other forms of statu like temporary protected statu or legal permanent residents can avail themselves to. as politics, this is clearly aimed at a wider republica audience because republicans are in a totally different place when it comes to
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immigration debates from independents and democrats i the united states. they favor a much more punitiv approach to people who came to the country illegally. but the majority of american want daca recipients predicaments solved. they want some sort of permanent status offered and desantis seems to be aiming at a republican primary crowd here >> so, ray where is your assessment as it sounds not only cruel bu it also sounds like you migh be creating a public healt crisis by preventing people wh maybe undocumented from seekin medical help it's not that their ailments maybe discontent themselves, especially coming out of the pandemic we sort of want everybody to make sure tha they are healthy and getting checked. out what do you make of this through the lens of making it possible health care scenari that creates a crisis in the community of florida >> just in recent months i was interviewing a daca recipien who works as an emergenc medical technician, and empt
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in the southwest he said that one of the things that he saw firsthand during the pandemic was that people who had no coverage and no papers waited until they wer really sick before they called for help before they called fo an ambulance to take them to a hospital emergency rooms were burdene with people with covid-19 wh are far more ill and far mor likely to die than if they had coverage, if they had some way to resort to medical car before things were totally out of hand and their lives were i danger it is just good public healt policy keeping people who are sick ou of emergency rooms and still having them going to wor because they don't have th kind of lives where you ca call in sick and get sick pay, it doesn't make any sens because they make the people they work with and among sic as well. >> so what are the things that strikes me is that this is incredibly unpopular across th state and it has so many
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reminiscent of when pete wilso tried to do the same thing wit proposition one 87 one of the parallels, quickly, >> well, you know, hundreds of thousands of floridians live i mixed status households. where some members of th family are legal and some of them are still living here undocumented they are going to make a livin family life or desantis will attempt to make a living famil life like that a crime this will go to the federa courts, the last time it did with an arizona law it was trounced by the supreme cour which said basically the federal government is in charg of immigration law, not you, states, but the federa judiciary is changed since 201 and rhonda scent is is countin on a different sort of reception to this policy tha the arizona law got more than decade ago we will see a fierce right because this will certainly be challenged ron desantis is saying
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basically, the federal government is creating a vacuu in immigration law we, the state of florida are trying to fill it and this i the way i want to fill it. >> thank you so much for tha analysis and insight, thank yo for joining me >> thank you >> believe it or, not a ne election season is upon. as the republican party is losing, shockingly, at the youth vote over abortion firearms and democracy the party is also juggling its loyalty as it is defective leader to donald trump former vice president, mik pence who has been only mildly critical of trump learned that the hard way at the nr leadership forum in his home state of indiana yesterday, we -- >> hello nra >> i love you too. >> i love you too. we saved, we tried electric unicycles. i think i've got it! doggy-paddle! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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reassure you she already has a shotgun and she already has rifle. >> this convention comes on th heels of two recent mass shootings, one at an elementar school in tennessee and anothe at a bank in louisville. for years, and especiall recent, weeks young people across the country have been turning out to demand action o gun reform in, fact they have bee demanding action on guns abortion, climate change democracy and lgbtq rights but the republican party continues to put stances tha are increasingly unpopular wit the majority of americans, particularly young people. polling has shown american support legal, abortio american support gun refor laws joining me now is jennifer reuben, a writer with th washington post, she's an msnb l political analyst and author of the book, resistance, how women save democracy front o donald trump also with me is michae singleton, a political strategist and host of the michael show on sirius x satellite radio, we should note you used to be republican but left the party few years ago and are now
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registered independent jennifer reuben and thank yo for joining us i have a quick question for yo jen because your book focuse so much on women and rights an how it toppled donald trump. how is what the republican right now doing impacting no just older women voters bu younger women voters >> i think they are making these people serious involve democratic activists they are pushing them into the arms of the democratic party look at what happened in wisconsin? it was a state supreme court race not exactly an arm or in mos years, but in this case ther is a huge turnout. young people turned out, independents, women, and the elected a progressive judge wh promised to reinstate th pro-choice regime that was i place for years in wisconsin so i think these are har hugely unpopular and just today,
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or perhaps it was the other day, this - if you are talking about a nationwide abortion ban, you are talking about an unelected candidate. he is exactly right. it is not just older women, as you point out, who remember pre roe -- it is women, and it is younger women. things are coming. together's not only guns but democracy and, race when you see governor desantis trying t silence dissent on lgbtq right for example, these are democracy and lgbtq rights so i think these thing combined, we are now seeing very large turnout among young voters and if that continues the republican party is really sunk what they are betting on a young people don't show up the only way they can sustai this on a national basis outside of a primary is if onl older people vote, and i think democrats need to use th initiative if they want to kee democrats in particular, young
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people engaged, they need to d it now, not wait until 202 before they go back to engag with these people. >> i think that is, right so i've spent my life's wor trying to get more people to access democracy and for a ver long time i have kept telling, folks invest in young people they see the world differently how is it possible tha republicans are not looking at the demographic change recognizing that young peopl are so much -- not only progressive but als larger in voting possibility then baby boomers. how are the not reading th room >> i mean i think behind the scenes, as i have conversation with donors and even candidates, i'm in this weird place righ now, maria, i'm no longe affiliated with the party bu still getting calls like, he what are your thoughts on this election can you assess this data quietly people to recogniz that i think part of the problem is that you look at republican, base you look at a evangelical base and republicans are concerned abou seeing a diminishment in tha
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turn out if we lose some percent of these two voting blocks, can w actually win in a competitiv race we talk about this wisconsin case, more than 1 million of those, 11 percentage point differences beating dan kelly. look at some of the groups tha were involved, over 10 volunteers, 15 college campuses, 40,000 student doors with on group, 250,000 phone calls wit another group. younger voters are now the largest voting bloc in the country. democrats are able to maintain that active engagement b continuing to put forth before younger people some of the issues from firearms t abortion to student debt t access other forms of health care i was looking at for latino, your website, and i was readin four out of five latino wome are concerned abou reproductive rights. i, mean you can't dismiss thos numbers. and, so if you are a republica and you are looking at some of these competitive races an democrats are looking at 1
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point increases in six of th battleground states, there i no way, maria, you could hav any kind of competitiv advantage. you might as well just go home because the numbers ar automatically against you. >> i think that's one of the reasons that they are seeing the youth vote and they ar showing that youth votes are turning up in the voting booth they're trying to create these draconian laws, bringing bac into the pre-1960s, removing access to voting jennifer, what kind of strateg does that send to the american people as a whole? i'm not going to compete wit you on policy and ideas, but i have to restructure voting access instead >> well, i think that is a loser strategy that is confession that th only way we can win is b creating an electorate that is 20 years in the past the electorate they can wi with is a 1970s or 80s electorate but we are in 2023 so if the representative sampl of americans vote, they ar cooked and that is why you see this intensive effort to restrict voting, to make voting mor difficult. now, the irony of all of thi
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is that it impairs republica voting just as much as it does a democrat voting. you now see some very anxiou republicans who say listen this complete war we have gone to with mail-in ballots, wit preelection day voting has bee disastrous for us. we are losing this and so when they try to do these things, when i try t artificially create an electorate that is more in tun with their views, i'm not sure that it even works it is malicious. it is anti-democratic. it is wrong. but it doesn't necessarily eve work to their benefit. i think they are floundering around trying to find strategy the right strategy, of course, is to get where the american people are when you have 65% of the american people on a positio in a country as polarized as u the, that is not jus progressive democrats who ar pro-choice, that i independents, that i republicans. and so that is a serious issue problem. and that's why you see the
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trying to change the subject t hunter biden, two phon scandals, to every sort of cultural issue that they can dream up because they can' talk about the issues, not onl young people, women, suburbanites, they will reject them >> what are some of the things that jennifer just mentioned they do not have ideas they do not have policy. how impactful is that then for the democrats? oftentimes, when we talk t young people who are latino, one of the things we find is that sometimes what we want is the government that i voted fo to solve big problems. now there is a standstill on what the government on the democratic side can actually d because there is obstruction i the house. how would you communicate to a young voters saying look, if you continue being part of the system, continue voting, you will see the issues change a you want them. >> look, i think a poignan example would be student debt. president biden attempted to address this, it would've been beneficial to young people
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specifically young people of color. i think the argument, if i wer a democrat, to those peopl would be look, if you continue to be engaged and we had a democratic house, a democratic senate, a democratic white house, we probably would hav been able to get this thin passed we probably would have bee able to appoin democratic-leaning justices to the supreme court who will rul in ways that are favorable t us that is a compelling argument. i would argue that there was a recent poll that came out couple weeks ago and it looked at where most americans are on some of the top issues economics, immigration inflation, et cetera but it showed was actually man americans see themselves sidin with republicans on some o those issues yet republicans continue to focus on thing that most americans are no really concerned about even a plethora of republicans have stated in polling, they are not willing to vote for republican candidate, faria, who would further restrict abortion rights. so again, looking at the actua raw data on this, it showcases
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that republicans are really fa off. not only from where independen and swing voters are, but even a third of republican voters are saying i don't want yo focusing on these things i don't support complete restriction on some of these issues but republicans are placatin to a small and decreasing base i understand the thought process here, but i have t tell you, you're looking a those numbers as a forme strategist, election is always about addition not subtraction republicans have to figure out a way to add to voter turnout, not continue to subtract i don't think they're going to figure that out. >> shermichael, am glad yo understand their thought processes. i'm still trying to figure i out. jennifer reuben, thank you s much for joining me today. straight ahead, the latest o americas post-roe president. and the fight for women' reproductive rights. the supreme court has granted temporary stay of a federa judge's ruling restricting access to the nationwide pil mifepristone the issue is far from resolved this week's meeting of the
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