good morning it is saturday april 15th, i'm filling in for my friend ali velshi there are two big developments this week that threatene further access to health car for american -

on thursday, voters legislator passed a total abortion ba that will have dir consequences for people living across the south within hours of its passage, ron desantis quietly signed th bill into law. that would ban abortion afte six weeks of pregnancy that is before many women know that they're even pregnant law won't take into effect until they resolve a chanc 15-week abortion ban that is signed into law last year florida's one blast places where people can access care i the south. it has quickly become unde abortion desert. when the six-week ban goes int effect, abortion will be entirely banned throughout the southern united states meanwhile, the fight to keep a decades old drug legal and accessible throughout th country has now reached th supreme court. yesterday justice alito paused the court ruling that woul have restricted access t nationwide to the bill for stone. for now, at least until next

week, access has bee preserved. the issue however is far fro resolved and future portio bills remain uncertain it really maintains the status quo for a few more days to allow the justices to consider the issue. the white house on the other hand is doubling down on defending reproductive rights. this coming tuesday, vic president kamala harris will b in nevada to participate in an event where she's expect t emphasize the importance o keeping medication legal the audience, young voters medication abortions now account for more than half o all abortions are performed in the nine states. i mifepristone is one of two drugs often used to endorse an abortion a method that has been prove be safe, effective, an popular. joining me now is robin, she's the operations director of the west alabama woman cente located in tulsa, right in the heart of america's abortio desert in south. she is the author of the important book, the ne handbook for a post-ro america. robin, before we get started thank you for joining me

i want to play a piece that yo did, and interview you did wit ali velshi last summer specifically about the abortio pill, take a listen. >> if i walk in here and i see you, you're wearing a shir that the says medication abortion is extremely safe and effective. i say, can get some? >> no. i can't say anything if i were a regular person, i would sa something like, a person can g to access.org and obtain medication abortion withou eating a prescription and have that regardless of whether i is a legal state or illega state. that would be something that i could say about a regula person i'm not a regular person i cannot say that your patient i cannot say that to anyone. honestly, wearing the shirt is a risk and i do it on purpos because i know that this is on

way to make a conversation happen and make people think about this but i can't provide that information, that is provide to you >> robin, thank you so much fo having, for joining us today i want to ask you, we basicall saw two big decisions that are going to potentially impac alabama disproportionately one, the desantis ban that h signed into law. and also, the abortion bil that now is going to be facing the supreme court. how is that going to impac your state and the south >> well, first of all, thank you for having me on one thing that i want to mak extraordinarily clear abou this medication abortion fight is that it does not impact the south. for the most part, it is going to not have any effect on us whatsoever because we have n abortion it doesn't matter if it is procedure, it doesn't matter i it is mifepristone we have nothing in here. the reality is that this bil and this medication bill was

introduced because the right need something to keep their people engaged they lost to many people whe roe was overturned because too many of their fowler's thought that was the goal, send it bac to the states. they need to come up wit something that would get the to still come to the polls they need to give them something to be still be angry at by four and they need to give them something to help them fun race still because otherwise everything with dry up if this does happen, this is going to leave the country the blue states will have yes, less access to mifepristone. they will still have procedura abortion they will still have thi abortion, while it is not as great as being able to have regime, it is still extremel effective, extremely safe, i is something that people wil be able to access. what this has done has made al of the blue states start t focus on themselves an fighting to maintain their old status quo it is taking up all th attention, resources, an especially money that coul come down here and help us

fight for rehab. >> robin, falling with what yo just said, i want to quote another tweet that you wer yesterday. it said, while blue states are worried about medication abortion restrictions. they haven't realized that a six-week ban in florida migh actually hurt the more can you explain this >> i was recently talking to the washington post about what the impact would be for a floo to six-week ban. primarily, about how it woul affect people in balloon alabama. the reality is that everyone i thinking about how it will affect the states that are surrounding florida, that have used it as a place where the can get safe care. what they are not thinking about is the fact that florida even before roe was providin about 80,000 abortions a year. those people have to g somewhere. there is no place around for them to go they will be heading to sout carolina where abortion is onl legal up to 14 weeks they will be going to nort carolina where for now

abortion is legal until 20 weeks. but we know that that is going to be threatened because a democrat had switched over and help provide a republica supermajority. we know that people are goin to be going to illinois, which our patients are already doing it is not just about now the people missiles can't access anything in florida, it is where or all of thes flotations going to go we are talking almost 100,00 patients a year who are no going to have to go into these blue states and take up thos resources as well. this is going to be a flood of all the critics that will make a domino effect, they will mak abortion extraordinarily difficult even for people wh forgot that they were safe >> i want to follow up on that i don't think people realize how this impact of basically denying this access an removing fda approval drugs, how that can have broa implications for other potential drugs. more than 200 executives

actually signed a letter askin for them to reconsider they wrote quote, if courts ca overturn drug approvals withou regard for science or evidence or for the complexities to forfeit the efficacy of thes new drugs, any medication is a risk for the same outcomes what is the concern that could possibly have implications for other single drugs >> it definitely will have implications for other drugs but honestly, going backwards, all i can think about when i read these alleged safet issues and the need to rein in the fda and all of these thing is, we were two years out from whatever the covid the drug wa that people were describing an trying to take for their covid attacks. people were taking horse tranquilizer pills or whatever it was they've been saying, this is fine we had people, we had th president come and say, mayb

you need bleach. these are the people who are now saying that the fda wrongl approved a drug that has, believe, at this point bee used up to 500 million times and there have been less tha 30 no deaths related to it i'm not impositive this recall by the drug. 30 known deaths out of mor than 5 million uses. they are saying that that is unsafe every sort of complication tha they discuss can happen at all with using this is the exact same complication that can happen from birth. you bleach, much you could get an infection you can have placenta remained all these things come from giving birth as well they are just four more likely to kill you giving birth because your health is s compromised during the point o the pregnancy. if they are really concerned about these issues, addres them do not address the things that

allow a person to not continue with unwanted pregnancies. >> thank you so much for you insight and for the work you d every day. >> of course, anytime. >> up next from the war on reproductive rights, to the wa on transgender rights. we will bring you up to spee on the most recent pieces of legislation targeting the tran community. it is a cause for alarm. >> is we hard to keep track of all of doctrines legal fights. in fact, you can't even coun them all on one hand despite all that, he is stil raising a ton of campaign cash for 2024 and, ali maybe off as we can but the velshi banned is still going strong we'll bring you alleys interview with him about his memory, you sound like a wtehi girl more velshi in a moment. more velshi in a moment. using the services you want in the clouds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovate and grow.

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of transgender americans at this point, it is hard to keep up. but justice thursday, th attorney general of missouri issued a new regulatio imposing severe restrictions o gender affirming care for both youths and adults. the world will go into effec on people 27th it will make missouri the firs state to ban gender deformin care for all ages. both the missouri acl and th civil rights have stated tha they will be suing that state. earlier this month, nort dakota state senate set record when it passed te anti-lgbtq bills in just one day. many of them focused on tran people three of those bills wer signed into law this week. in kentucky, a bill that would impose sweeping restrictions o trans rights was vetoed by democratic governor any beshea last month but about a week later, th kentucky state house senat both controlled by senator overrode the governor's read out and pass the bill. the measure bans agenda or forming care for minors, compels doctors to sto treating patients currentl

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trump was quest for about eigh hours and according to nbc new reporting, he spoke quite a bit. that is his contrast from hi previous deposition in augus in which he plead the fift more than 400 times. the trial for this lawsuit i set for october. also this week, an appeals court in washington d.c. declined to shield trump fro the first two civil lawsuits

for defamation and battery filed by this writer who claimed that trump raped her nearly 30 years ago. trump's repeatedly denied this allegation the appeals court said it di not have enough facts to decid whether trump was acting a president when he accused caro of lying back in the counter-2019 if the court had determine that he was acting as president and not as a officia capacity, he could arguably, because government plays can b sued for defamation. this preserves her lawsuit against trump for now. and then, there is a special counsel investigation lookin into trump's attempts to overturn the 2020 election the new york times reports tha jacques rate could be nearin the end of his probe and h said quote, close to finishing the final phase of his work. it is moving closer to a decision about seeking charges against mr. trump and others joining me now is carole, sh is a former u.s. attorney fo the southern californi district also former secure - and msnbc legal analyst.

what do you make of this the fact you saw donald trump, the first time back in don august, not say a peep in fact, he actually pleaded the fifth over 400 times now, he is seem to be a chatty cathy. what is the difference here? >> a couple of things have changed since he took the fift back last summer and now one very important change is that he has declared his candidacy for president. when you do that and then yo go and you claim the fifth a he did last time over 400 times, that is not a particularly goo look for a presidentia candidate. another thing that is change i that that was a deposition tha was taken before the charges were actually filed. after that, we fought charge were filed and the forme president now knows, as thos lawyers, exactly what th contours of that complete look like they may feel more comfortable in preparing him to answer questions in the deposition. there's also been an entir file of the trump organization

they were found guilty, as you know, of lots of valuation issues and such and such a lot more has become known an become public. while trump's attorneys ma feel that they are mor prepared, they have been going to answer questions. they know the parameters o those questions. >> so, one of the things tha has been very noticed across media is the fact that he ha been, don't trump has been going after the attorney general. one of the questions i have yo is, the fact that he is goin after her on truth social, doe that put her in danger if so, what he's doing, is tha an active intimidation could this increase his lega jeopardy that he may be facing now? >> that is a really, reall tough call they've always been defendants to try to make things personal they attack at the prosecutors they check the agents. but don trump has a much loude

mouthpiece then a lot of the defendants do. where it crosses the line, whether that crosses a lin into criminal conduct or whether a judge is finally going to say that this is goin too far, and i'm going to put gag order on the forme president. that is also a tough cal because he's a candidate for the presidency they have to be careful abou his rights but yes, especially social media, i think the attacks o prosecutors, agents, investigators, it is very risky, very dangerous for those folks and a lot of them have protected details now for that reason >> someone who questions i wan to give to you is the januar six probe. one of the things that the president, the former presiden has been trying to do is prevent pence from testifying. what happens if the cour analyzing that and what woul you expect to hear from pant that could jeopardize donald trump and this case on january 6th? >> an appeals court has said that mike pence should go ahea

and testify, they have denie most of the relevant privilege that would attend to a vic president testifying in an investigation of the forme president. however, don trump's team ha appealed the denial of the executive privilege to the supreme court. a depending on what happen there, that will dictate whether mike pence goes ahea and testifies about privat conversations. he may have had with don trump while don trump was th president of that united states for jack smith, he can go ahea and question mike pence on issues that don't invoke the executive privilege, that is conversations that he may have had with donald trump. whether he's going to go ahead and do that and split up the grand jury hearing, it remains to be seen that is not quite likely t happen, i think. so there is --

they take time - we're gonna see where mike pence it's >> carol you are former u.s. attorney general, have you eve seen a case where on individual has so many legal jeopardy is that he is facin in so many different states, ranging from, in this case fraud, rape, and possibl treason? >> i don't think anyone ha ever seen anything quite lik the spectrum of lawsuits and potential indictments, and actual indictments against the single person who is running for president. but it is important to think about why it matters that they have all these different venues in some cases, evidence can be shared between the two you see a deposition in a civi your case. you seem to have a criminal ne york indictment.

you have got federal investigations but the -- one of the important things is that when you have states that are actually prosecuting o investigating the former president. there is a certain advantage that were dealt trump to be elected president, he could pardon potential witnesses agains him. he cannot pardon potential witnesses or defendants agains him in a state cases he has authority, only ove federal cases, not state cases there are advantages and disadvantages to having al these different venues involved the plethora of cases, surel that is unprecedented. >> u.s. former u.s. attorney caroline, thank you so much fo the conversation this morning. >> thank you >> you may know him from iconi roles in movies like some of sam, moulin rouge, roby an juliet, co-leaders way, and if you have little, once -- you know about we don't talk

about this starting tomorrow, literar actor, producer, and close friend of mine john luciano is adding another bullet to his imdb page. he is host of the new msnb documentary series the guys on about does america he explores lati exceptionalism across america, delving into food, politics, music, and everything in between. solar, i sit down with him i an episode to discuss how my organization and latin political power in shaping america. it is a wake up, boy it is woke the show premiers more night cynthia specific right here on msnbc. here's a clip. >> latinx, are you for it or against it you prefer other terms >> i don't know what it is >> that's honest >> i just marched to beat my own drum if it sticks, sticks i do my thing. i don't like the names and titles in boxing categories.

it never has really been m thing. >> and with him, i never kne the true definition. >> hey, it's got the wor latino not-so-rock on. >> that's a good point i don't understand how did i happen >> it represented all lati people, regardless a mask, and feminine and then it has sort of a no gender all of you don't like it, a lo of people say i like what yo know leave it alone some people say like hispanic. >> those are just inclusiv terms that younger people have created to make space fo people who don't fee represented and seen as a woman and as a man wh identifies latina and latino when a non binary person feels that they don't identify wit either, they want to turn to a term that is inclusive of wh they are >> but owning their lati roots. >> be sure to tune in tomorrow

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is at an all-time high but, amidst those divides ar some unique ties that unit house members. we spent the day with thre freshman congressman, democrat and two republicans old friends graduate togethe from west point. they say that their brotherhoo and love of this country transcends all politics, take listen >> more than 20 years, you think back to the young ma that you were. how much different all these guys >> they are the exact same >> freshman representative carve a line in new york john james of michigan, an this man of texas. they are on different sides of the political aisle. ryan is a democrat, james an hunter republicans the three men say they share a commission that goes farther beyond politics. for four years they were wes point classmates, brothers i arms graduating in 2004 they probably serve the nation in the years that followed >> does it feel like you guy are family >> anytime you go through this

for your intense, kind of craz experience, you form a bond. >> our goal was to graduate. >> and be maybe. >> young cadets when the plane struck the world trade center, the three men say 9/11 pus them towards a lifetime of service. >> as those buildings fell there was this cloud that wa kind of over us. we all knew that this was no longer training process, we ar actually going to go fight a war for our country. >> today, they say those short experiences help them recogniz the need to reach across the aisle at a time when man divides in congress run deep >> sometimes we'll get a littl funny look i deliver to the other side, o john comes over to our side. people are like, or you guys are actually talking we are like, yeah. we are roommates >> during orientation we had a class photo. two republicans on one democra taking a picture because w have a bond that transcends al

politics >> the trust is shot in this country, typically between typical parties. we come here with that trust already bacon. patrick and i are not going to agree, neither or was not goin to agree but i know they will never deliberately hurt. >> the old friends say tha their hope now is to use the west point bond for good working to enact legislation that helps veterans. >> for me is very personal one of my soldiers, about hi home only to have him take his own life what a failure that is we can get that right as a country. >> we are beginning to work on a veterans mental health issues we are going to be working together as colleagues acros the aisle. we will make sure that the nation doesn't turn their back when folks come back >> is it too idealistic to imagine that this might be the seeds of some bipartisanship >> if we cannot make that work and shame on us, shame on ou

democracy. that is what we are here for >> do we agree on everything absolutely not yes, we have some work to do but i think the three me sitting up here right now ar willing to do the work because i'm seeing this in progres that we've seen in the past fe generations. two, three, four, si generations from now >> our thanks to nbc's jay leave that report. we need more of those good stories. ali is off this week, before h went away he interviewed thi author about remember you soun like a white girl. this week's meeting of the velshi banned book club is jus a moment away. stay tuned to verizon. (cecily) wow! (seth) and i got to choose the phone i wanted. for free. (cecily) not that you're bragging. (vo) switch and choose the phone you want, like the incredible iphone 14, on us. (cecily) on the network worth bragging about. (vo) verizon one prilosec otc each morning blocks heartburn all day and all night. prilosec otc reduces excess acid for 24 hours, blocking heartburn before it starts.

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the funding. but librarians across missouri recognize that this is a major threat one librarian who has served a state for over two decades sai quote, the majority of missour libraries all small libraries. for smaller communities, the rely on this funding to serv their communities, to provid some programs, to provide ne books, new materials, and to pay their staff. this will have an absolutely devastating effect and next week, the tech slab re-association will hold its annual meeting in austin book banning and the threa elaborate on the top of this agenda a member of the associatio will join my friend ali next week to discuss, you do no want to miss that conversation before we get there, we've got today's meeting of the minds o velshi banned book club with author and her memoir, you sound like a white girl. when she was a teen, one o high school crush told her tha she spoke quote, like a whit girl at the time, she thought it wa a compliment but after becoming an american citizen, and getting rid of he

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xfinity rewards creates experiences big and small, >> the story of assimilation i and once-in-a-lifetime. the story of perception. when constructed by th majority and imposed on newcomer we are told that the so-called good immigrant is one wh successfully at easily it of to the expectations and custom of the majority, creating on

big happy melting pot. but in practice, process o assimilation is not that easy. sometimes it forces the person new to the culture to reject parts of themselves, severin the individual from thei identity and the roots a simulation happens in many countries and cultures, bu often when it's discussed in america, it is used to describ him saluting to witness. this is the pena performin whiteness for the sake o assimilation, it is the subjec of her memoir. you sound like a white girl, the case for rejecting assimilation it is today's velshi banne book club feature. a mexican native moved to texa when she was 11 years old. she stayed illegally because she would be separate from her parents. eventually she worked her wa up the american corporat ladder from selling funnel cakes at a new year's ev festival in a texas to becomin a vice president in goldma sachs here in new york city. her wakening and ultimat internal reckoning came with a single sentence that was spoke by question i school

you sound like a white girl. those six words very themselve in her subconscious and remain there well into adulthood unti she eventually reclaimed her mexican heritage and roots in the chapter titled, the lie of success, he tells us in par quote, my childhood bedroo became a trophy case for m honorable ribbons, track basketball, and truly ne medals i had made it all the way to the peak of american hig society and it still wasn' enough i wish i had realized sooner that no matter how hard worked, how much access achieved, or how many dollars mast in my bank account, belonging in a white world was not a dividend that came along with it. each time i thought i had done what a need to be come one o them, i was reminded tha dressing the part wasn't enough and thank god for that, becaus if i had become one of them, i wouldn't have broken free. eventually, i left wall street i went back to the mountains this time with 20 latino france we were loud and it wa glorious and quote.

ultimately remark makes th case for rejecting a simulation, serving as a manifesto for embracing once heritage an identity it is not surprising that it i banned in several texas school districts for failing to make, to meet their critical rac theory guidelines. we have addressed the fallac surrounding the so-called cr on the velshi banned book club before members know that many conservatives have distorted the academic framework, crt. and reduced it to a catchall phrase for anywhere that - and identity ironically, the ban against he mmr only serve to validate its thesis, that regardless of her accolades, her wall street salary, and the fact that sh epitomizes the america successfully, many people ca only view her existence throug one narrow lens. joining me now is this woman the author of the feature, you sound like a white girl. the case rejecting assimilation

she joins me now, thank you so much for being with us >> thank you so much for havin me >> talk to me about this rejection of assimilation. you're not suggesting that newcomers to this country don' become a part of the whole but i think, i'm putting words your mouth, but i think you're talking about pluralism. you're talking about the ide that we can be part of thi whole by being ourselves wit our own identity and succeeding as opposed to fitting into a pre-establishment. >> what i'm doing, is making two points that's seamless you question what is that we should be able to find happiness in thi country and success. without having to give up so many parts of ourselves an what really makes us unique an beautiful. the other thing that i get wit this question is questioning what is this for and who gets you belong in tha hole i think you said in th introduction i'm rejecting the idea that th right to be american is to

aspire to whiteness. there is a different way i which we can really be true to ourselves and find what we wan this country >> i really chula vista as a immigrant to this country. i guess the question of, fitting into society's expectations is that something that you think american society imposes upon us? or is something we do to ourselves? >> i think it's a little bit o both i will say that my parents generation had a very differen idea of what it meant to belon in this country and how we should go about it a simulation was both impose on the by my own parents and also by society at large i talk about, in the book, about locking mirrors in which i could see my reflection. whether it was in history book that i was reading in an movies that i watched. and then almost a red. and how i did not find peopl who looked like me, who had my

experiences in those venues. it becomes really hard to stay true to who you are when you don't see reflection anywhere. as a child in particular, he start absorbing everything tha you do see >> it's surprising to me, we often have books on the book club where it is easy to figur out why they were banned this was an obvious to me. when did you figure out the ba was banned and what you think book would be so problematic for american readers >> well, my book is part memoir i've written two other memorie before this one is part memoir. the meat of the book from my perspective is really talkin about the history that we ar not taught in school and it is actually that histor that has really taught me just how much i belong in thi country. mexicans have been in this lan since before it was called the

united states. i think it is though pieces of the book where i am sort o sharing a lot of the real trut for history that i never learned in school. i'm sharing that history in th book i think that history and tha knowledge has gone the boo banned in many texas schools particularly in texas becaus there's a lot of texas history in the book as it relates, the real history of the alamo, the real motivation for some o that texas independents. i believe it is those pieces >> that's a pretty critica issue in texas the view is, if you star telling these stories that you want to tell, we are going t lose out on some of the stor that we want to tell the texas story, it is a microcosm, a very large one in america. >> that is right i think the story, when we tal

about the alamo and texa independents, and eventual annexation to the united states, i think it misses a lot of information. growing up in mexico and learning the other side of the story, the mexican point o view of texas independents it gave me a more holistic vie of it. again, i think it is those points in history, we often sa for many mexicans, the borde crossed us we didn't cross the border i think that's one key point that i try to make in the book in that history, that's what really routes me to know tha you belong in this country i don't need to change anythin about myself in order to claim it as my own >> the memories broken up, the part memoir, is broken up into two parts. but one is called the lies w are told the second part is calle embracing our truth. what did you organize it tha way? >> i think for me it i organized that way because tha

was my journey it was believing in these lies if i just spoke english, if just found success, if i jus aspire to whiteness and try to be as close to whiteness, thos are the things that would help me along i definitely did all of thos things i learned how to speak the language i went to college, i worked on wall street, i had a ver successful career when i worke there. and yet, i was still met wit so much resistance about whether or not i belong in thi country. it is an anecdote, one tha really reflects the experience of many mexicans and latinos i this country i would say even other immigrants, it is this questio of, where you? from people ask you where yo are from who last we were and from. sometimes that is -- i would say san antonio, i don't get my whole life story. i say san antonio and people say, but no, where you reall from where are you really from? we'll, who where you pound from what they're saying is,

cannot imagine someone tha looks like you would jus simply be american it always has to be anothe explanation. those are the lies the second part of the book is the second part of my ow journey. i learned how to reclaim m language, i learned how to reclaim my spanish i learned how to reclaim m identity and my history. it is in that reclamation of the things that i lost while i was assimilating that i really found a much deeper sense of the longing. you know that that long wa always there, it was always in my community it is because of the thing that may be different that i a where i am today >> let's talk about your journey and all the work a goldman sachs. you had forged documents, yo essentially lived a double lif for years. you climbed off that wal street ladder, you were an intern, he became a vice president. at one of america's most important financia institutions during that time, you can appl

for a credit card, you didn' drive with a valid license, yo can travel outside the country because you were undocumented. you essentially lived a double life tell me about that >> yeah, i have spoken about that journey quite a bit in th past i think the biggest takeaway for me is just how embarrassed i used to feel about telling that story about saying, i worked on wall street, i used to become a citizen. when i look at now, yes, i broke the law. but the law was also breakin me the law was breaking my family apart. there is this misconceptio that there is such a thing a doing it the right way i america. that is one of the biggest lie that we tell immigrants. do it the right way. in my experience, when you loo at the history of immigratio policy, it has been race tha has disturbed immigratio

policy more than any other factor to do the right way, there doesn't really exist right way we are seeing some of the ta on things like asylum and th ability to seek asylum today we have seen it for past administration's as well this concept in this idea of doing the right way, it is m biggest take away. i believe that lie, i allowe myself to be embarrassed and ashamed by that lie. i look at it now, i think it i a loss we need to change those laws s that more people can hav access to doing it in a lega path way >> what a great conversation so much more to talk about, so little time. thank you for doing this, than you for running book, thank yo for your story julie is the author of today's velshi banned book club. he found sound like a whit girl >> a great conversation indeed that does it for me, only to b with you thanks for watching. catch velshi tomorrow and ever weekend, 10 am to noon eastern

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