that does it for me today, i'm alicia amendments, thank you s much for spending part of your weekend with us. you can find our show on twitter, on instagram, o tiktok, just follow at alici on msnbc you'll see me here tomorrow fo more american voices, but fo now i handed over to ayman hymen. >> haley sia, it shaping up to be another busy week with this republican stunt, the ji jordan's not that's taking place here on monday coming to manhattan and trying

to showcase the crime in the city apparently, well trul neglecting everything that's happening in tennessee with al of the push to try and get som sort of gun reform in this country past >> you know, we always tal about how the trump lega strategy is delay delay delay, and what it seems like republicans have learned fro him is distract, distract, distract >> truly on brand for th republican party under the trump era. alicia, it's great to see yo my friend enjoy the rest o your evening off >> good evening and welcome to ayman's night. manhattan d.a. alvin bragg sue -- interfering with his trump investigation plus taking apar trump's lawsuit against former employee. republican writes in the hands of the republican supreme cour -- anti abortion law signed by ro desantis in florida. also, the tennessee three back in action, state representativ justin pearson will discuss hi return to the state legislatur and gloria johnson will spea out on the issue that threaten

their political futures, gun control. i'm ayman, let's get started here's one thing that learning about manhattan district attorney alvin bragg he is a fighter. this week, in an extraordinary and aggressive move, bragg sue congressman jim jordan, asking a court to block part of the republicans -- into his investigation the 50-page suit accuses jim jordan of a quote unprecedente leap raisin an unconstitutional attack. slams his request as lacking the quote basic principles o federalism and common sense. brexit tierney is cold out jordan and his fello republicans for carrying out a quote campaign of harassment against his office now, the suit says that th d.a.'s office has received mor than 1000 calls and emails fro

trump supporters, many of whic are threatening and racially charged in nature. brags attorneys also asked the court to quash the subpoen sent to former assistant dea mark pomerantz whose testimony they say will cause quote, imminent irreparable harm to brags investigation. the judge in the case, mary ka viscous l, a trump appointee declined to block th enforcement of that subpoena she did however order drouin's lure to respond to the lawsuit by this monday, april 17th she put a hearing on the books for april 19th, two days later look, it is unclear whether ji jordan is going to respond i time, because quite frankly, h may be preoccupied with a fiel hearing his committee is holding that very same day right here in manhattan. yes, the circus is coming to town on monday, republicans wil hold a hearing titled of victims of violent crime i manhattan, which they clai

will expose how quote alvi bragg's pro crime anti-victi policies have led to a increase in violent crime and dangerous community for ne york residents now, it is no surprise in ne york city has been the targe of republican ire for decades. according to the gop, blue cities like new york are jus overflowing with george soro backed prosecutor's, pushing soft on crime policies that pu their citizens in danger it is not true, and manhatta murders, robberies, rapes, and shooting incidents are still down compared to the sam period last year the truth is, if republicans like jim jordan actually cared about cracking down on crime they might want to look in their own backyard's first look at this, in 2022 ohio's capital city of columbus, whic is near the district jorda actually represents, had mor homicides per 100,000 people than new york city last year, 140 people were

killed in columbus compared to former 33 new york city, which we should note, has at least eight times as many people a columbus of course, this hearing is not about solutions, no. it's not about that at all republicans aren't reall looking to lower crime rates are protect locals in new york city, they're looking to protect donald trump and damag the character of the man who i actually trying to hold hi accountable and enforce th law. let's discuss this with jill wine-banks, former assistant watergate special producer, an msnbc legal analyst. matthew dowd, former chief strategist for the - msnbc political analyst, and david corn, washington chief o foremother jones, he is an msnbc political contributor. it's great to have you with us >> jill, will start with you and get your action to thi lawsuit. how unusual is this kind o legal action, and can yo explain what bragg is asking the courts to actually to hear >> it is unusual, but that's

because the action that is precipitating is unusual frankly, even if bragg were th u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, or eve if he was the attorney general he could not be called to talk about a pending case before an congressional committee or anyone else that's lover lanced so it's he is right whe it says this is an and precedent kind of subpoena he' right to do that, and i thin the ultimately the courts will say he does not have to testify, nor does pomerantz because i would also interfere with this same ongoing investigation he is trying to protect th rights of anyone under investigation, they have a right to secrecy for all the information that is gathered pending their trial, the right place to challenge it is a onc they get indicted. then you can challenge any thing that happens in th

courts, in that case and that' the only appropriate place > matthew, there is a little bit of to challenge it irony here throughout all of this, do alvin bragg, bragg, i his lawsuit, allow break attorneys make repeate reference to this, you know, case that we all remember very well, the trump versus mazar usa case and the supreme court decision that affirmed that while congress actually has a righ to issue subpoenas in it investigation, it doesn't have an unlimited right and the irony here is that republicans spent year ignoring oversight efforts fro the house when democrats wer in control and i can't help but wonder is it coming back to bite them now? >> well, also, let us just add that jim jordan didn't honor a subpoena to himself in the course of all of the investigations and now he wants other peopl to honor subpoenas, and he did not honor -- i was old enough to remember

and it wasn't long time ago th idea that republicans supporte federalism, the idea tha republicans wanted the federal government out of the way of states and local jurisdictions that wasn't that long time ago that was the republican mantra now, because of what happene around the country and while the country changes, tha republicans want but they're theme in place throughou whatever it is, whether it's imposed from the presidenc when trump had it, we're now i the house of representatives a we see this unfold in th course of this it is amazing to me, and i'm just from a traditiona political standpoint, wh republicans continue want to litigate donald trump an highlight an amazing political thing. they did not learn the lesso in 2020. they did not learn their lesso in 2022. but they can't seem to let g of it. they can't seem to let them go >> yes, they can seem to let them go. we're gonna talk about tha later on in the show and, david, you know, i starte this program by saying that on thing we are learning abou alvin bragg is that he's a

fighter. he's not backing down from wha we're seeing with thes republican tactics and i'm wondering, like, i there a big takeaway lesso here for the democrats should they take a note from bragg's playbook fighting fire with fire? should they be more aggressive in the face of this republican interference >> well, what we see here is jim jordan who chairs th committee, called th weaponization of government, actually weaponizing government. he is weaponizing congressiona oversight by getting the way o a local law enforcement issue. and i think, you know, i don't think bragg is much of a choic here i mean, this is jim jordan for the political stunt coming right at him so, he's pushing back becaus he has to preserve his own authority, his own legitimacy. and i think in general, if you look at, you know, the democrats in the last fe months as we have started a ne republican congress, they have really not rolled over for these bogus hearings and

investigations about whether it's the deep state conspiring with twitter to this elect donald trump, all these things they've come up with, it's bee one bust after another, one pr disaster after another and that is right, matt is right. the gop whether it's a gun safety issue, reproductive rights, or donald trump, the keep sticking themselves with knife. i mean, the polling is there and donald trump hasn't been popular in the last three, fou elections. he won once barely but they keep going back t this well, and it goes to th point we've been talking about for years now, it seems to b that the gop is a cult where protecting and advancing and winning the love of donald trump is the only thing they really care about. >> jill, as i mentioned, we ar expecting a hearing on thi case next week walk us through the next steps what does it mean for jordan's

investigation in the meantime? >> well, what's interesting is the answers are due on wednesday, and there is subpoena now, supposedly, fo pomerantz for thursday so, the court is gonna have to act really quickly for it to b impactful. and what's next is we'll hav to wait and see how the cour decides, whether the subpoen is valid or not valid, and whether the witnesses can be called and there is the big differenc between calling witnesse foreign actually valid reaso for congressional oversight, which we have to note, as matt did, that they, the republicans, ignored all of the norma oversight subpoenas during the entire term. so they keep undoing that. that doesn't mean the democrat have done that, or that they will do that, but it doesn't mean that it can be compared t a frivolous subpoena for

something that is no appropriate to investigate the states all have independen prosecutions that are not part of our federal government, and the federal government can loo at money that is spent, donated, not donated, but that is assigned to the states from th federal government, but only that they cannot look at the inside of a particular evidence for any particular trial >> and, matthew, let me ge your thoughts on this hous judiciary field hearing, thi judiciary committee fiel hearing scheduled for monday and the irony of the fact that congressman jordan, you know wanting to call out lack current policies, and he is th one literally runnin interference for an election with criminal and donald trump >> yes, another example, let's abandon federalism, okay, don, check, let's abandon that. law and order, okay, check we're gonna abandon that in th course of this and i think to your poin

leading into this, the facts said this. not only columbus has thre times the crime rate that ne york city does, the actual hometown in where jim jordan's from as a higher crime rate, his small town has a highe crime rate than new york city, and of course it's eight of th top ten crime rate states in america are red states, eigh of the top ten are red states. and the other thing is, if you wanted to find all answers t unanswered questions about crime, then hold it on ohi state university campus, and ask about the sexual abuse scandals that occurred while h was the wrestling coach. that would be a more formal an more interesting thing to find out undiscovered information >> yes, certainly informatio was pursuing and looking into. david, democrats on th committee have skipped previou field hearings, as what suspect this one will be, whic is a political stunt without any merit they are set t attend mondays you have congresswoman sheil

jackson lee who's a senior member of that committee she told axios that democrat message on what they will be twofold, hitting republicans o their attempts to intervene in wrecks prosecution of trump, and hammering gop inaction o gun control. to matthew's point, this is th party that builds itself on la and order, it is more like a crime and disorder what do you expect democrats t do on monday during this hearing? >> i think they will reference the city that matthew just mentioned, it's called mansfield, ohio. it is in jordan's own district it has a higher crime rate tha new york city. i mean, i think we'll hear tha again and again and again, a well as what you talked abou with columbus, ohio, and the will get back to the old ohi state wrestling controversies. haut i mean, the setup here is so obvious it is such a stunt, they'r leaving themselves wide open o issues like gun, law and order going back to january 6th an

not being in favor of the cops even wanting to let the januar six criminals off as donal trump has called for and so, i mean, i think this i mainly being done for fox. this is a fox news programming decision, on the part of jim jordan we're gonna put on a show. it's not a hearing it's a show, we have soundbite for fox, it will be haut red meat for the fox audience. i'm sure oan and newsmax wil cover that as well but i think, only for about 20 30% of the public might se this as worth any merit. it's not serious, it's not congressional oversight that has any meaning, it impacts th lives of americans in positive way >> david matthew, jill, just stick around a lot more to discuss, after the break, we're gonna deconstruct the outrageous lawsuit trump just filed against, you have, michael cohen. and almost eight hours the e president spent being the pose this week by the new yor attorn geyenerals office stay with us ♪ ♪ ♪

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-- this week, donald trump filed lawsuit in federal court against his former lawye michael cohen seeking more tha $500 million in damages fo alleged, quote, breaches o judiciary duty, unjust enrichment, conversion, an breaches of contract trump is basically claimin that cohen lied about him in public, in books, and in media appearances.

and that this breach legal obligations cohen owed trump but trump has also alleged tha cohen revealed information covered by attorney client privilege, filing a case against cohen is a classic trumpian move, that should not surprise anyone. and despite his claims tha others weaponize the legal system against him for political purposes, that i precisely what donald trum appears to be doing right here jill, matt, david are all back with me. jill, i get your legal expertise on this. michael cohen's lawyer, lann davis, call trump's lawsuit form of harassment and intimidation is there any merit, or is it solely to intimidate him, yo think? >> i think it is solely to intimidate him for political purposes this is not a justifiable, legal move the reading of it is almos laughable, and i'm sure it's not for michael cohen. but it takes everything that h could possibly grab from any document that says that michae

cohen did x, or why, which all has nothing to do with his obligations to donald trump. and it ignores the crime fraud exception. attorney client privilege does not protect a lawyer fro testifying when the client i engaged in crime and fraud which is exactly what is being testified to by michael cohen. so, you have to put it in that context to realize how silly this lawsuit is. it is brought by a lawyer in florida, whose specialty i franchises and distribution. he does have some criminal experience and some navy first amendment experience maybe, bu his big practice is franchises which has nothing to do with this >> so, matt, i want to pose to you a question that lanny davi posed about this, lanny davi of course the michael cohen' lawyer and he framed it like this is there anyone in america aside from a shrinking minorit

base of the levers, who take mr. trump seriously when h files these apparently frivolous lawsuits and the way i looked at it was like michael cohen's damage to donald trump is already done i mean, he has testified i court. he has done everything there is, that he could do, and we'll se what happens in this alvin bragg case here. this is not gonna have any impact on that so, why is trump doing this? >> well, first, i just want to take up something, as i listen to joe, talking about th lawyer she heard as an exper in franchises, maybe that' actually an insight into how donald trump looks at lawsuits is that he sees them a franchises so, i'm gonna establis something i'm doing in the course of this i mean, to me, this is like football coach to me this is like a football coach, i'm referring to donald trump, who runs some unusual place. he has some initial success, and he keeps running the sam play over and over and ove again, even though everybody has figured it out and knows what he's doing in the cours of this. as we've seen, in suit after

suit, and what's happened over and over and over again, donal trump has used this to shu people up and shut people down in the course of this. people figure that out, and no they ignore what donald trum does in the course of this i don't think he thinks he's gonna have any impact on michael cohen, though wouldn't put it past him tha he's upset and he won some vengeance, and if you coul have michael cohen spend som amount of money to defend frivolous lawsuit, he'll d that, just because he's that kind of vindictive person. donald trump uses these things to try to keep other peopl down the road from turning o him and turning in and holding him to justice in the course o this he's done it his whole career, the play no longer works but he doesn't know any othe play >> what do you think, david, o all of this? do you see lawsuits like thi one, to matt's point, obviousl not having an effect on cohen, but it could have an effect on other witnesses, perhaps those that could be still intimidate by donald trump's silence? >> let's remember that outside

of the bragg case, there are three, four, maybe even more cases coming down the pipe her with lots of witnesses who worked for trump, who are very close to trump so, while there is a certain absurd element to this particularly, as jill says, if you read the document, it stil might cause some people to think, do i really want to hav to spend money to defend mysel against one of these bs suit from donald trump. michael cohen is going out there and raising funds in a gofundme page because it doe cost money to respond to thi insanity and so, maybe in the back of his mind, he's thinking, well, cohen is the one witness against me there are other traders. there are other out there, i'm gonna show them what happene to them. i don't think it's going t work, because thes investigations are pretty fa down the road, and a subpoen gets a lot of people to tell the truth. but in his mind, you know, he'

speaking like a mob boss, right? he wants to show that there is a price to pay, and i've written about this so many times over the last eigh years. the three things that motivate trump the most, revenge, revenge, and revenge he is addictive, and so i thin that is what driving this. and some lawyers making someon exploiting that. >> jill, let me give it to another case that trump has on his hands. he spent about eight hours a new york attorney genera letitia james office for a deposition and her 250 million dollar lawsuit alleging frau in his real estate busines practices. what do you make of trum apparently being so talkativ during the deposition because can't imagine he said he plead the fifth for eight hour straits? >> i think maybe it's finall something that when you plea the fifth in a civil case, i can be used, it can't be use against him. it cannot and a criminal case. but in a civil case, the jur can be instructed that you can

assume that the answers woul have implicated him in a wrongdoing, that they woul have been negative to him. so, that may be why he decided he was gonna have to do some fast talking now, we don't know whether these are all the same questions, and this time he' answering them, or whether thi is on a different subject. so, we'll have to wait and see whether the non answers ar used against him if he answered all the sam questions that he was asked, well, then there answered. so, we'll have to wait and see >> all right, jill wine-banks, matthew dowd, david corn thanks to the three of you greatly appreciated as always next, they current state o medication abortion access i america, and what we can expec in the weeks ahead ♪ ♪ ♪

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abortion here in the unite states remains available tha is for now the supreme court temporaril blocked the lower court' decision that would have restricted access to the pill, after the justice department and the drug's manufacture asked them to intervene. but its fate remains uncertain this all after trump appointed judge matthew kacsmaryk issued a ruling last week that rolled back the fda's approval of the drug democratic led states have since begun stockpilin medication abortion, fearing this reprieve will b short-lived. this is the next frontier in limiting women's options whe it comes to the reproductive rights, and further adds to th confusion around what is and isn't available to women joining me now to discuss, doctor wendy goodall-mcdonald, board certified ob/gyn and monica simpson, executiv director at sister some woma of color reproductive justic collective great to have both both of you with us. i'll start with you, justice alito granted the justic

department's request t preserve the status quo, mifepristone, one fo mifepristone access unti wednesday i believe. but let's not forget, he als wrote the courts decision that overturned roe last summer what do you hope, you know, or what hope do you have that the court will maintain the fda' original approval? >> i would like to have whole. i think it's important t understand the evolution o what just happened so, back in 2000, the fd approved this medication under a kind of accelerated approval because it sees pregnancy as a life threatening complication. and under the caveat that they would be very strict surveillance, very close monitoring of the people who are using this medication, s there was an acceleration of the approval, and people wer monitoring the rafter for th next 20 years. until now, there have been 1 studies that have included ove 30,000 women, who have use this medication, mifepristone, who had demonstrated, yes, literally, it is safer the

taking too much tylenol. and, so this does decided that my opinion rather than fac that this medication is no unsafe, which has now turned this decision from a political no one to a health related one so what i hope that the courts would understand is that there are two different things we're dealing with here, the political decision as to whether or not people should have access to this medication versus the health and safety o the use of the medication, which that studies demonstrate that this medication is safe >> yes, i was gonna say, i wonder if the judges will also take into consideration that i you have a judge making health based decision on the safety o the drug, you're opening a kin of warms where judges al across the country can start deciding which drugs they thin are safe, and which ones the don't think is safe. >> absolutely. it's definitely a can of forms because we're not doing stud data, we're not presenting actual fact information, we're just deciding that thi medication should not have bee approved because it wasn't safe based on what information? so, i'm hoping that that wil be clear with this submission. >> monika, there is no

reporting specifically about this judge, judge kacsmaryk, that he removed his name from law review article which criticized obama air protections for transgende people and those seeking abortions during his judicia nomination process and we should note, nbc hasn't independently verified that, but it seems as though he know that these are not popular opinions what does that potentially tel us about him, and just you thoughts about this revelation >> i think that this is just showing us across the boar that our opposition has been very strategic about leasing folks in position of power tha will help them move their ball forward down the court and this is just an example of an individual in a position of power that is not making decisions based on what that people need, not even based on medical facts or anything. they're just trying to move political agenda, because what is at the root of all of thi

is that there are certai people who are really focuse on staying in power, and there are certain people very focuse on keeping certain people ou of power and they are using our bodies, unfortunately, has political pawns to move a politica agenda >> i want to ask you a littl bit about systemic racism in our health care system, dr wendy goodall-mcdonald, there' a report, a new study of a health system in pennsylvani that shows that hospitals ar more likely to give drug tests to black pregnant women. talk us through how thes issues are interlinked >> the issues are interlinke because it all those down to the most vulnerable, the mos disenfranchised, and the peopl who are almost the mos targeted, when it comes to these, you know, these decisions. statistically, without actua reason, to decide to do drug tests for people of color more than anyone else it's just one example. he's just one test result, i you will, to demonstrate wha

the problem is in this country when it comes to under diagnosing i mean, it's black materna health week, under diagnosin black women when they have, yo know, medical problems that ar life-threatening the people who are gonna b most susceptible to the lack o access of mifepristone are people who are not able to travel across state lines, who are not able to have surgica abortions, and so this is al targeting the same people wh are unfortunately the most vulnerable >> monika, let me get your thoughts on florida. you've got the governor there, ron desantis, quietly signin this six-week abortion ban int law. and quite honestly, like judge kacsmaryk, it seems as thoug even he knows this is not th right decision perhaps, he is playing politic with people's lives, certainly while their lives at stake you are based, or your organization is based in the south. talk to us about how this ne ban, if it does stand, impacts folks in the south as they attempt to access reproductive care >> well, it's obvious that desantis has been doing work

that doesn't make any sense. right? we've seen so many horribl decisions coming out of hi leadership and this is just another example of that. but what's also true is that the south, unfortunately, is i the midst of a health care crisis the south has been a place tha has yet to expand medicaid i most of its states there are thousands of peopl who fall through the cracks. we are dealing with a maternal health crisis across the south as well in many of our states, we're seeing black women dying and a rate 3 to 4 times higher than white women in childbirth so when you look at all of these things couple together including now, the six-wee bans in states like georgia, now we are seeing in florida it is just pushing access ou of reach for folks, right? and that is not what the peopl have asked for we have seen countless studies countless studies done tha this is not what folks in th south is asking for. this is not what anyone is asking for they're asking for more access they're asking to be able to make their own decisions about their bodies, their families and their futures. and what we are getting instea

in the south are politicians who are more focused on moving political agendas than actuall providing care, and ensuring that the people in their state can actually thrive ever single day >> monika simpson, dr. wendy goodall-mcdonald, thank you, ladies, very much. greatly appreciate you insights this evening. ahead, the gop's fake argument about protecting children. we're gonna break it down fo you. ♪ ♪ ♪ are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh waaaay longer than detergent alone. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters. your best defense against erosion and cavities is strong enamel- nothing beats it. new pronamel active shield actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a gamechanger for my patients- it really works.

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it was formed in 1954 in response to the supreme cour mandated the segregation o u.s. public schools. the group believed that th federal government's influence on their children's educatio was a gross overreach, arguing that desegregating schools posed a threat to their rights as parents and their religious and cultural values. the article accompanying tha cartoon blasted, quote progressive educators fo indoctrinating children with false ideas about race it has been more than si decades since that cartoon was published. and although the targetof th outrage has somewhat shifted since then, the playbook remains exactly the same adults using children as ponds to advance their political agenda no matter the harm it might cause, and in the name o saving the kids, gop led state legislators and governors have launched book banning campaigns, prohibiting school libraries from offering what they call harmful -- they have passed law

restricting how public schools could provide issues like race gender, sexual orientation claiming the lessons wer caused discomfort for some students in florida, for example, the state senate just passed a bil that could give courts the power to remove transgende children who receive gende affirming care from thei parents custody. and in south carolina, republicans are pushing a bill that would categoriz fertilized eggs as people unde state law, meaning anyone wh obtains an abortion could be charged with homicide, and yes therefore eligible for the death penalty. so, in the eyes of people wh believe abortion is murder their answer is also murder. that seems to be the sacrifice some are willing to make her on the right being willing to harm some for a perceived greater good, an oftentimes, the people being harmed our children. just this week in missouri, as lawmakers were debating a bill that would ban all gende

affirming care for transgender children, a movement experts say could lead to increase suicide rates among an already vulnerable vulnerabl population, one republican suggested that children as young as 12 years old should b allowed to get married is that in the interest of the greater good preteen's being allowed to web the willingness to harm some for perceived greater good also leads republicans t inaction after a shorter terrorize th covenant school in nashville killing six people, includin three children, republican congressman tim burchard o tennessee was asked what rol congress should play i preventing the next school shooting his response it is a horrible, horrible situation, and we are not goin to fix it. so, when it comes to childre getting massacred in schools there is no solution the congressman seems to willing to sacrifice som schoolchildren for tha perceived greater good

it is worth noting tha republicans at the state level spent months pushing a dru show ban in tennessee, claimin those performances somehow put kids at risk but nothing can be done to sto school shootings the gop has for decades trie to brand itself as the party o family values. that republicans have documented record of denying crucial support to families in need 2021, every single republica in the house and senate vote against expanding the child ta credit, despite the fact tha it was child poverty rates t record lows. and research shows that states that have all but banned abortion access have among the nations weakest social service for women and children, an have higher rates of deaths fo infants and mothers. does that sound like a pro child agenda for you what's the greater good here for republicans? for decades, children in thi country have been used a pawns. their safety, only o

importance when it is deemed politically convenient and it's always some childre whose safety is deemed important, it's never al children and that's because it is never actually been about protecting children for republicans it's about protecting their ow political interest at th peexnse of those children. we'll be right back. ♪ your prescription for... staying right where you are. ♪ ♪ your prescription for... the blue or white pill. ♪ my husband and i have never been more active. t shingles doesn't care. i go to spin classes with my coworkers. good for you, shingles doesn't care. because no matter how healthy you feel,

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expelled, or almost expelled and an anti-democratic process that was led by stat republicans. so much conversation has bee focused on their expulsion that, to some extent, we've actually lost sight of the reason why these democrats were expelle in the first place gun reform justin pearson, gloria johnson and justin jones protested against gun violence, an called for reform efforts in the wake of that tragi nashville school shooting that left six people, including three children, that according to the pew researc center, gun deaths among u.s kids under 18 years old went u to 50%, or by 50% from 2019 to 2021, and more children an teens were killed by guns in 2021 than in any year sinc 1999 a survey found that one in fiv u.s. adults say they have lost a family member due to gun related violence but against that backdrop of these statistics and the recen spate of mass shootings like the one in nashville, and th

one at a bank in louisville, republicans flocke indianapolis to attend, yep, the nra convention this week joining me now are two members of the tennessee three, states are presented to gloria johnson, and justin pearson it's great to both of you with us thank you so much for making time representative johnson, i' like to start with you, an dare i say, it was statistic like the ones that you jus cited that might have compelle you to protest in the firs place. but tell me your motivation. >> yes, absolutely i talked school for 27 years i was teaching in central high school in nashville, tennessee in 2008 we had a shooting in our cafeteria right before school started during breakfas our. and we will never forget looking up and seeing kids running down the hill toward my classroom, screaming, crying they ran into my room. it took a few minutes for them

to be able to articulate wha had happened, what had jus taken place. and we lost a central student, ryan mcdonald, that day. and it's traumatizing to children, to staff, to everyon there. and you just don't forget bein present at something like that and so, this has been a passio of mine fighting for guns an legislation for several years. >> talk to me about that fight representative pierson, becaus when you were sworn in after your reappointed to her seat you said you can't expel our fight. talk to me a little bit abou how you're going to continue this fight for gun reform? >> well, the republican supe majority of tennessee though they were doing, silencing the voice around an issue that the have yet to take on seriously. we have offered a lot of false solutions about preventing gun violence, about gun reform

representative johnson representative johnson, an myself sought to do on a day when we looked peacefu protesters to listen to th voices of thousands of tennesseeans, and millions o tennesseeans and people across the country were saying we mus do something differently tha the status quo and so, as we continue our fight, it is to make sure we push for legislation and next week, myself, and representative jones has legislation that will be putting forward. but the input from christina johnson and so many others t the state legislature to say here are some of the solutions for the epidemic of gu violence that we face here here are some of the solutions that our communities talking t us about such as red flag laws such as gun storage safety laws, such as turning to the government and will thes executive orders for universal background checks into law obviously, it doesn't have t be an executive order becaus it doesn't have to be a lot. but we have to have democrac in order to do that. and this focus on democracy in place of a mob democracy, wher a mob, rosenstein of the people, it will only lead to the wrong

change that we need. and we have to restore democracy. which is for the voices of our people to the peoples house. >> representative johnson, i mean, i feel like we say this lot. but i feel like we are at tipping point in this country. i mean, we are certainly seein grassroots mobilization, certainly in places like nashville, as a result of th tragedy there, and what ha happened with three of you but what would you like to see done, both, on a national level, if there is to be done nationally or do you believe this fight has a better chance locally in arenas that you and your colleagues are fighting in >> i think we have to work through both of those arenas you know, something just cam to light since we have been in the public eye, we continue to highlight this issue every tim we talk about the situation on tv and after the kentucky situation, a kentuck representative has reached out to me and said we have just go to do something. and we're talking about having conversations between th

states, how can we wor together on this how can we grow this movement? how can we continue th conversation and don't let i in in the cycle, and keep an maintain this movement, an build this movement, working both in the states and working at the national level to seriously bring change and kee our communities safe >> and, of course, you still have to go through the nra, or at least try to go around th nra and their grip on th republican party representative pierson, let me get your thoughts on that. you've got republicans attending the nra convention i indiana. let me just play for you som of the remarks watch this >> gun hating politician should never go to bed o afraid of what this associatio and all of our millions of members can do to thei political careers. >> we don't need gun control we need crime control. >> little miss adi who i

almost two, she already has shotgun, and she already has a rifle. >> let's be very clear, th issue is not too many guns, th issue is too many thugs, and savage criminals on ou streets. >> your reaction to that, ho they are framing this debate i this conversation? >> it is a disgusting framing, what they put forth it's becoming of anyone who's supposed to serve the public a the people the reality is we have a epidemic of gun violence in ou communities because there's proliferation of guns in our communities that normal folk should have access to due to legislation that has allowed for that proliferation t occur. in the state of tennessee, w have permit-less carry it can get easier for people t have access to weapons without even having a permit it's more difficult to vote in the state of tennessee than it is to get an assault rifle the problem, the accessibility of weapons the problem is the legislation that protects the second amendment without protecting communities. and the reality is, a lot of folks are focusing specificall

on school shootings. but what about banks, right? what about our neighborhoods gun violence we experience on day-to-day basis because o lack of legislation and th lack of protection and care fo our communities? and so, these asinine comments that are being said by peopl on the extreme right, people o the right, are completely ou of step with what most peopl in this country want republicans and democrats, who do want common sense gun legislation that make sure tha weapons don't get in the hands of people that should not have them, and for people who hav guns, that we make sure that w have gun prevention, gun violence prevention as well. >> let's hope something change in this country. we can't afford to lose anymor lives to gun violence. tennessee state representative we are johnson, justin j pearson, thank you both very much i greatly appreciate your time >> another hour of ayman i coming up after a quick break. i'm gonna be joined by democratic congressman gre casar. don'got anywhere. ♪ ♪ ♪ sy does it. we switched to liberty mutual and saved $652.

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