>> that does it for me today i'm alicia menendez. think you so much for spending part of your day with us you can find a show on twitter instagram, and tiktok. just follow at alicia. american voices. ayman. , ayman. >>, >> hey, alicia menendez. -- coming to manhattan trying t showcase the - in the city apparently while t limit electing everything that has happened in tennessee with all of the push to get som kind of gun reform in this country past >> we always talk about how th trump legal strategy is delay, delay, delay, and what it seem republicans have learned fro his distracted, track, distract >> totally on brand for th republican party under the trump era. alicia, it's great to see yo my friend enjoy the rest o your evening off

good evening and welcome t ayman tonight. manhattan d.a. alvin bragg sue -- plus taking apart trump' frivolous lawsuit against th former employee. that and reproductive rights i the hands of the conservativ supreme court once again, an the outrageous anti abortion law just signed by ron desanti in florida also, the tennessee three back in action, state representativ justin pearson will discuss hi return to the state legislatur and gloria johnson will spea out on the she that threatened there political futures, gun control. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. here's one thing that learning about manhattan district attorney alvin bragg he is a fighter. this week, in an extraordinary and aggressive move, bragg sue congressman jim jordan, asking a court to block parts of th

republican-led house judiciary committee's inquiry into his investigation. the 50-page suit accuses jim jordan of a quote unprecedente brazen and unconstitutiona attack slams his request as lacking the, quote, basic principles o federalism and common sense. alvin bragg's attorneys called out jordan and his fello republicans for carrying out a quote campaign of harassment against his office now, the suit says that the d. a.'s office has received mor than 1000 calls and emails fro trump supporters, many of whic are threatening and racially charged in nature. alvin bragg's attorneys also asked the court to quash the subpoena sent to forme assistant dea mark pomerantz whose testimony they say wil cause quote, imminen irreparable harm to alvi bragg's investigation. the judge in the case mary

vyskocil, a trump appointe lawyer - april 17th and she put a hearing on the books for april 19th, two days later. look, it is unclear whether ji jordan is going to respond i time, because quite frankly, h may be preoccupied with a fiel hearing his committee is holding that very same day right here in manhattan. yes, the circus is coming to town on monday, republicans wil hold a hearing titled of victims of violent crime i manhattan, which they clai will expose how quote alvi bragg's pro crime anti-victi policies have led to a increase in violent crime and dangerous community for ne york residents now, it is no surprise in ne york city has been the targe of republican ire for decades. according to the gop, blue cities like new york are jus overflowing with george soro backed prosecutor's, pushing soft on crime policies that pu

their citizens in danger it is not true, and manhatta murders, robberies, rapes, and shooting incidents are still down compared to the sam period last year the truth is, if republicans like jim jordan actually cared about cracking down on crime they might want to look in their own backyard's first look at this, in 2022 ohio's capital city of columbus, whic is near the district jorda actually represents, had mor homicides per 100,000 people than new york city last year, 140 people were killed in columbus compared to 433 in new york city, which we should note, has at least eigh times as many people a columbus of course, this hearing is not about solutions, no. it's not about that at all republicans aren't reall looking to lower crime rates o protect locals in new york city they're looking to protect donald trump and damage th character of the man who i actually trying to hold hi accountable and enforce th

law. let's discuss this with jill wine-banks, former assistant watergate special producer, an msnbc legal analyst. matthew dowd, former chief strategist for the - bush cheney 2004 presidentia campaign he's also a msnbc politica analyst, and david corn, washington chief your chief fo mother jones he's an msnbc politica contributor. it's great to have you with us >> jill, will start with you and get your action to thi lawsuit. how unusual is this kind o legal action, and can yo explain what bragg is asking the court to actually do here >> it is unusual. but that because the actio that is precipitating is unusual. frankly, even if bragg were th u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, or eve if he was the attorney general he could not be called to talk about a pending case before an congressional committee or anyone else that's the law o our land

so it's a ridiculous - he's right when he says this i unprecedented kind of subpoena he's right to do that. and i think ultimately the courts will say he does no have to testify, nor doe primer and, speak a's he would also interfere with the same ongoing investigation. he's trying to protect the rights of anyone under investigation. they have a right to secrecy for all the information that i gathered, pending their trial. the right place to challenge him is once they get indicted. and you can challenge anything that happened in the court, in that case. and that's the only appropriat place to challenge it. >> matthew, there's a little bit of irony here sprinkle throughout all of this alvin bragg, in his lawsuit -- brags attorneys make repeate reference to this case that we all remember very well, th trump versus mazars usa case and the supreme court decision that affirmed that, well while

congress actually has a righ to issue subpoenas in it investigation, doesn't have an unlimited. write the irony here is that republicans spent years an ignoring oversight efforts fro the house when democrats wer in control and i can't help but wonder, it's a coming back to bite the now? >> let's just also add that ji jordan did not honor a subpoen to himself in the course of al of the investigations, he di not honor it forms often only once at the peopl to honor a subpoena. and world enough to remember - and, which wasn't long ago - the idea that republican supported federalism the idea that republicans on of the federal government ou of the way of states and local jurisdictions -- that wasn't that long ago that that was the republican mantra now, because of what has happened around the country, and while the country changes, the republicans want to pu their theme in place throughou -- whoever it is -- whether it's imposed from th

-- or down house of representatives, as we see thi unfold in the course of this it is amazing to me -- and, i'm just from acros political standpoint - why would republicans continue to want to litigate donald trump and highlighted it is an amazing political. think they did not learn their lesson in 2020 they didn't learn their lesson in 2022. but they can't seem to let g of him they can't seem to let him go. >> yeah, i can't seem to let him go and we are going to talk about that later on in the show. and david corn, i started this problem by saying the one thin we are learning about alvi bragg that he's a fighter. he's not backing down from wha we are seeing these republican tactics. and i'm wondering, is there big takeaway lesson here for the democrats? should they taken out from bragg's playbook fighting fire with fire? should they be more aggressive in the face of this republican interference >> well, what we see here is jim jordan, who chairs the

committee called the weaponization of governmen actually weaponizing government he's weaponizing congressional oversight, trying to get in th way of a local law enforcement issue. and i think -- i don't think alvin bragg ha much of a choice here. this is jim jordan with political stunt coming right a him and so he's pushing back because he has to preserve his own authority and legitimacy and i think in general we look at the democrats the last fe months as we've had -- over from congress they have really not rolle over for these bogus hearing and investigations whether i is the deep state, conspirin with twitter to just elect donald trump - all these things that they hav come up with - it's been one bust after another, when pr disaster afte another. and that is right. the gop, whether it's on gun safety, or human rights or donald trump, keeps sticking

itself with a knife. i mean, the polling is there donald trump has not bee popular the last, three or fou elections. he won once daily and we kee going back to this as. well and keeps going back to the point we have been talking about and seems to be the go is a cult where protecting and advancing the love of donald trump is the only thing they really care about. >> jill wine-banks, as i mentioned, we are expecting he on this case next week walk us through the next steps what does it mean for jordan's investigation in the meantime? >> well, what's interesting is the answers are due on wednesday. and there is a subpoena now, supposedly, for pomerantz, for thursday so, the court is going to have to act really quickly for yo to be impactful. and what's next is we will hav to wait and see how the cour

decides, whether the subpoen is valid or not valid, and whether the witnesses can be called and there's a big difference between calling witnesses or a actually valid reason fo congressional oversight. which -- and we have to note, as matt did -- that they, the republicans ignored all the normal oversight subpoenas during the entire term. so, they keep on doing that an so that does not mean that the democrats -- they will do that. but it does mean that they can't be compared to a fearles subpoena for something that is not appropriate to investigate the states all have independen prosecutions that are not part of our federal government. and the federal government can look at money that is spent, donated, not donated, but that is assigned to the states from the federal government, bu only that. they cannot look at the inside of a particular evidence for any particular trial

>> and, matthew, let me ge your thoughts on this hous judiciary field hearing, thi judiciary committee fiel hearing scheduled for monday and the irony of the fact that congressman jordan, you know wanting to call out lacks lack crime policies and he is the one literall running interference for a election with criminal and donald trump >> yes, another example, like, okay, let's abandon federalism okay done, check, let's abandon that law in order - okay, check, we're going t abandon that in the course of. this and i think to your point leading into this, the facts h said of this not only columbus has thre times the crime rate that ne york city does, the actual hometown in where jim jordan's from has a higher crime -- rate his small town has higher crime rate than new yor city and of course, it's eight of the top ten crime rate state in america are red states, eight of the top ten are red states and the other thing is, if you

wanted to find all answers t unanswered questions about crime, then hold it on ohi state university campus, and ask about the sexual abuse scandals that occurred while h was the wrestling coach. that would be a more formal an more interesting thing to find out undiscovered information >> yes, certainly informatio with pursuing him looking into david corn, democrats have skipped previous field hearings, decrying them as what i suspec this one will be, which is a political stunt without an merit they are set to attend mondays. you have congresswoman sheil jackson lee who's a senior member of that committee she told axios that democrat message on monday will b twofold, it republicans on their attempts to intervene in wrecks prosecution of trump, and hammering gop inaction o gun control. to matthew's point, this is th party that builds itself on la and order, it is more like a crime and disorder what do you expect democrats t do on monday during this hearing? >> i think they will reference

the city that matthew just mentioned, it's called mansfield, ohio. it is in jordan's own district it has a higher crime rate tha new york city. i mean, i think we'll hear that's fact made again and again and again, as well a what you talked about with columbus and ohio, and maybe w will get back to the ohio stat wrestling controversies. i mean, the setup here is so obvious. it is such a stunt, they'r leaving themselves wide open o issues like gun, law and order going back to january 6th an not being in favor of the cops even wanting to let the januar six criminals off as donal trump has called for and so, i mean, i think this i mainly being done for fox. this is a fox news programming decision, on the part of jim jordan we're gonna put on a show. it's not a hearing it's a show, we have soundbite for fox, it will be red meat for the fox audience i'm sure oan and newsmax wil cover that as well

but i think, only for about 20 30% of the public might se this as worth any merit. for everybody else, it looks like that serious. this is not congressiona oversight that has any meaning it impacts the lives o americans in a positive way. >> all right, david corn matthew dowd, jill wine-banks, we stick around. we're just getting started after the break were going t deconstruct the outrageous lawsuit trump just filed against, you have, michael cohen. and almost eight hours the e president spent being the pose deposed this week by the new york attorney generals office. stay with us ♪ ♪ ♪ normal. ♪ ♪ it was time for a nunormal with nucala. nucala is a once-monthly add-on treatment for severe eosinophilic asthma that can mean less oral steroids. not for sudden breathing problems. allergic reactions can occur. get help right away for swelling of face, mouth, tongue, or trouble breathing. infections that can cause shingles have occurred. don't stop steroids unless told by your doctor. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection. may cause headache, injection site reactions, back pain, and fatigue. ask your asthma specialist

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desperate offense? this week, donald trump filed lawsuit in federal court against his former lawye michael cohen seeking more tha $500 million in damages fo alleged, quote, breaches o fiduciary duty, unjust enrichment, conversion and breaches of contact contract trump is basically claimin that cohen lied about him in public, in books, and in media parents's, and that this preached legal obligations cohen owed trump but trump has also alleged tha cohen revealed information covered by attorney client privilege. finally a case gets cohen is a classic trumpian move. that should not surprise anyone and despite his claims tha others weaponize the legal system against him for political purposes, that i precisely what donald trum appears to be doing right here jill, matt, david are all back with me. jill, i get your legal expertise on this. michael cohen's lawyer, lann

davis, call trump's lawsuit form of harassment and intimidation is there any merit, or is it solely to intimidate him, yo think? >> i think it is solely to intimidating for political purposes this is not a justifiable, legal move the reading of it is almos laughable, and i'm sure it's not for michael cohen. but it takes everything that h could possibly grab from any document that says that michae cohen did x, or why, which all has nothing to do with his obligations to donald trump. and it ignores the crime fraud exception. attorney client privilege does not protect a lawyer fro testifying when the client i engaged in crime and fraud which is exactly what is being testified to by michael cohen. so, you have to put it in that context to realize how silly this lawsuit is.

it is brought by a lawyer in florida, whose specialty i franchises and distribution. he does have some criminal experience and some navy first amendment experience maybe, bu his big practice is franchises which has nothing to do with this >> so, matt, i want to pose to you a question that lanny davi posed about this, lanny davi of course the michael cohen' lawyer and he framed it like this is there anyone in america aside from a shrinking minorit base of believers, who takes mr. trump seriously when h files these apparently frivolous lawsuits and the way i looked at it was like michael cohen's damage to donald trump is already done i mean, he has testified i court. he has done everything there is, that he could do, and we'll se what happens in this alvin bragg case here. this is not gonna have any impact on that so, why is trump doing this? >> well, first, i just want to take up something, as i listen

to jill wine-banks, about th lawyer she hired as an exper in franchises, maybe that' actually an insight into how donald trump looks at lawsuits is that he sees them a franchises that's what i'm going to do an establish something i'm doin in the course of this. i mean, to me, this is like football coach to me this is like a football coac and i'm afraid of donald trump who run some unusual plays he has some initial success -- and he keeps running the sam play over and over and ove again, even though everybody has figured it out and knows what he's doing in the cours of this. as we've seen, in suit after suit, and what's happened over and over and over again, donal trump has used this to shu people up and shut people down in the course of this. people figure that out, and no they ignore what donald trum does in the course of this i don't think he thinks he's gonna have any impact on michael cohen, though wouldn't put it past him tha he's upset and he won some vengeance, and if you coul have michael cohen spend som amount of money to defend frivolous lawsuit, he'll d that, just because he's that kind of vindictive person.

donald trump uses these things to try to keep other peopl down the road from turning o him and turning in and holding him to justice in the course o this he's done it his whole career, the play no longer works but he doesn't know any othe play >> what do you think, david, o all of this? do you see lawsuits like thi one, to matt's point, obviousl not having an effect on cohen, but it could have an effect on other witnesses, perhaps those that could be still intimidate by donald trump's silence? scaring them into silence? >> let's remember that outside of the bragg case, there are three, four, maybe even more cases coming down the pike her with lots of witnesses who worked for trump, who are very close to trump so, while there is a certain absurd element to this particularly, as jill says, if you read the document, it stil might cause some people to think, do i really want to hav to spend money to defend mysel against one of these bs suit from donald trump.

michael cohen is going out there and raising funds in a gofundme page because it doe cost money to respond to thi insanity and so, maybe in the back of his mind, he's thinking, wel cohen is the other number -- others out there i'm gonna show them what happened to them i don't think it's going t work, because thes investigations are pretty fa down the road, and power t subpoena gets a lot of peopl to tell the truth. but in his mind, he's speaking like a mob boss, right he wants to show that there is a price to pay, and i've written about this so many times over the last eigh years. the three things that i thin motivates trump the most revenge, revenge, and revenge. he is vindictive, and i so think that's what is driving this and some lawyers making someon exploiting that. >> jill, let me give it to another case that trump has on his hands. he spent about eight hours a new york attorney genera

letitia james office for a deposition and her 250 million dollar lawsuit alleging frau in his real estate busines practices. what do you make of trum apparently being so talkativ during the deposition because can't imagine he said he plead the fifth for eight hour straight >> i think maybe it's finall sunk in that when you plead th fifth in a civil case, it ca be used, it can't be use against him. it cannot and a criminal case. but in a civil case, the jur can be instructed that you can assume that the answers woul have implicated him in a wrongdoing, that they woul have been negative to him. so, that may be why he decided he was gonna have to do some fast talking now, we don't know whether these are all the same questions, and this time he' answering them, or whether thi is on a different subject. so, we'll have to wait and see whether the non answers ar used against him if he answered all the sam

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this reprieve will b short-lived. this is the next frontier in limiting women's options whe it comes to the reproductive rights, and further adds to th confusion around what is and isn't available to women joining me now to discuss, doctor wendy goodall-mcdonald, board certified ob/gyn and monica simpson, executiv director sister song women o color reproductive justice collective great to have both both of you with us. dr. goodall mcdonald, i'll start with you justice alito granted th justice department's request t preserve the status quo, mifepristone -- fo mifepristone access unti wednesday, i believe but let's not forget, he als wrote the courts decision that overturned roe last summer what do you hope, you know, or what hope do you have that the court will maintain the fda' original approval? >> i would like to have a hope i think it's important t understand the evolution o what just happened

so, back in 2000, the fd approved this medication under a kind of accelerated approval because it sees pregnancy as a life threatening complication. and under the caveat that they would be very strict surveillance, very close monitoring of the people who are using this medication, s there was an acceleration of the approval, and people wer monitoring the rafter for th next 20 years. until now, there have been 1 studies that have included ove 30,000 women, who have use this medication, mifepristone, who had demonstrated, yes, literally, it is safer the taking too much tylenol. and, so this does decided that my opinion rather than fac that this medication is no unsafe, which has now turned this decision from a political no one to a health related one so what i hope that the courts would understand is that there are two different things we're dealing with here, the political decision as to whether or not people should have access to this medication versus the health and safety o the use of the medication, which that studies demonstrate that this medication is safe yeah i was gonna say, i wonder

if the judges will take into consideration if you have judge making health base decisions on the safety of a drug, you are opening a can of worms were all acros start deciding what ones are safe an which ones are not safe. >> absolutely. it's definitely a can of worms because we're not using stud data, we're not presenting actual facts and information we are just to sign this medication should not have bee approved because it wasn't safe based on what information? i'm hoping that that would b clear in the discussions >> monika, there is ne reporting specifically about this judge, judge becaus merrick, that you removed hi name from a law review article which criticized obama air protections for transgende people and those seeking abortions. during his judicial nomination process. we should note that nbc hasn't independently verified that, but it seems as though he know that these are not publi opinions what does that potentially tel us about a distrustfully sham?

>> i think that this is just showing us across the boar that our opposition has been very strategic about policin folks in positions of powe that will help them move forward down the courts. this is just an example of a individual in a position o power that is not making decisions based on what th people need, not even based on medical facts or anything, they're just trying to move political agenda because what's at the root o all of this is that there ar certain people who are reall focused on staying in power, and there are certain people very focused on keeping certai people out of power. they are using our bodie unfortunately, as politica pawns to move a politica agenda >> i want to ask you a littl bit about systemic racism in our health care system dr. goodall, mcdonald if there's a new study of a healt system in pennsylvania tha shows that hospitals are mor likely to give a drug tests to black pregnant women

talk us through how thes issues are interlinked >> the issues are interlinke because it all boils down to the most vulnerable, the mos disenfranchised, and the peopl who are most targeted when i comes to these decisions to statistically decide withou actual reason to decide to dru test people of color more than anyone else, is just one example. it's one test results if you will to demonstrate what the problem is in this country whe it comes to under diagnosing it's black maternal health wheat. under diagnosing women whe they have medical problems i their life the people who are going to be substantial -- who are not able to travel across state lines, not able t have surgical abortions, results hardening the same people who are unfortunately the most mobile. >> monica, let me get your thoughts on florida. you've got the governor ther ron desantis quietly signed th six-week abortion ban into law

and, quite honestly, judge because merrick it seems a though even he knows this is not the right decision perhaps he's playing politic with people's lives, o certainly while their lives ar at stake you are based in the south talk to us about how this ne ban, if it does stand, impacts post on the south as the attempt to access reproductive care >> it's obvious that desanti has been doing work that doesn't make any sense we've seen so many horribl decisions coming out of hi leadership, and this is just another example of that. but, what is also true is that the south unfortunately is i the midst of a health care crisis in general. the south has been the place that is yet to expand medicaid and most of it states, there are thousands of people wh fall in the cracks, we'r dealing with a maternal health crisis across the south as well, many of our states, we'r seeing black people dying at a

rate three times higher than white women in childbirth. when you see all this coming together including the six-wee bans and states like georgia nursing in florida, it's pushing axis out of reach fo folks. and that is not what the peopl of asked for, we have seen countless studies countles holes done that this is no what folks in the south ar asking for this is not what anyone' asking for they're asking for more access they're asking to be able to make their own decisions about their bodies, their families and their futures. what we are getting instead in the south are politicians wh are more focused on politica agendas than actually providin care and ensuring that the people in their states can actually thrive every single time >> monika simpson, dr. goodall mcdonald, thank you very much. greatly appreciate you insights this evening. ahead, the gop's fake argument about protecting children. we're gonna break it down fo you. tide is busting laundry's biggest myth... that cold water can't clean. cold water, on those stains?

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of the citizens council of america published this political cartoon. it shows a teacher angrily pointing at a student will reading from a text book titled, a child's guide to integration and the background, you can se a flyer for an naacp rally and a chalkboard that equals tha reads two plus two equals si and y equals black citizens council or commonly referred to as the white citizens council formed in 196 -- desegregation of publi schools. the group believed the federal government's influence on thei children's education was a gross overreach, arguing tha disagreeing schools pose a threat to their rights a parents and their religious an cultural values. the article accompanying tha cartoon blasted quote, progressive educators, four in doctoring children with fals ideas about race it has been more than si decades since that cartoon was

published, and although th target of the outrage ha somewhat shifted since then, the playbook remains exactly the same adults using children as pawns to advance their political agenda no matter the harm it might cause in the name of saving the kids, gop led state legislators and governors have launched book banning campaign prohibiting school libraries from offering books they claim are somehow harmful to children they've passed laws reflecting how scrub -- issues like race, gender sexual orientation claiming th lessons would cause discomfort for some students. in florida for example, th state senate just passed a bil that could give courts the power to remove transgende children who received gender affirming care from thei parents custody. in south carolina, republicans are pushing a bill that woul categorize fertilize eggs as people under state law meeting anyone who obtains a abortion could be charged with homicide and yes, therefor

eligible for the death penalty in the eyes of people wh believe abortion is murder their answer is also murder. that seems to be the sacrifice summer willing to make here on the right. being willing to harm some for a perceived greater good and oftentimes, the people being harm to our children just this week in missouri, as lawmakers were debating a bill that would ban all gende affirming care for transgender children, a movement experts say could lead to increase suicide rates among an already vulnerable population, one republican suggested tha children as young as 12 year old should be allowed to get married. is that in the interest of the greater good pre-teens being allowed to web the willingness to harm some for perceived greater good als leads republicans to inaction. after a shooter terrorize th covenant school in nashville killing six people, includin three children, republican

bressmann tim burchard o tennessee was asked what rol congress should play i preventing the next school shooting his response, it is a horrible horrible situation, and we are not going to fix it. so when it comes to children getting massacred at schools there's no solution. the congressman seems to willing to be -- willing to sacrifice som school children for that preci fredricka. it is worth noting and tha republicans at the state level spent months pushing a dra show ban in tennessee, claimin those performances somehow put kids at risk but nothing can be done to sto school shootings the gop has for decades trie to brand itself as the party o family values. republicans have a documente record of denying crucia support to families in need. 2021, every single republica in the house and senate vote against expanding the child ta credit despite the fact that i was found to slash child

poverty rates to record lows research shows that states tha have all but banned abortion access are among the nate sinc we kiss social services fo women and children and hav high rates of death for him an some others. does that sound like a pro child agenda for you what's the greater good here for republicans? for decades, children this country have been used a pawns. there's safety only of importance when it is deemed politically convenient it's always some children whos safety is deemed important it's never all children. and that's because it is never actually been about protecting children for republicans it's about protecting their ow political interest at th expense of those children. we'll be right back. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. with the money we saved, we thought we'd try electric unicycles. whoa! careful, babe! saving was definitely easier. hey babe, i think i got it! it's actually... whooooa!

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20 to 2021 more children and teens were killed by guns in 2021 then in any year since 1999. a survey found that one in fiv u.s. adults say that they've lost a family member due to gu related violence but against that backdrop of these statistics and the recen state of mass shootings like the one in nashville and the one at a bank in louisville, republicans fluent t indianapolis to attend, yap, the nra convention this week joining me now are two members of the tennessee three, stat representative gloria johnso and justin j. pearson. it's great to have you bot with us. thank you so much making the time representative johnson, i like to start with you. dare i say, it was statistic like the ones that i just cite that might have compelled yo to protest in the first place, but tell me your motivation. this >> week yeah, absolutely. i taught school for 27 years i was teaching at central high

school in knoxville, tennessee in 2008, the year we had a shooting in our cafeteri before school started during breakfast, and will neve forget looking up at seein kids running down the hill towards my classroom, screaming, crying, they ran into my roo and took a few minutes for the to be able to articulate wha had happened what had just taken place. and we lost a central student, ryan mcdonald that day, an then it just - it's traumatizing to children, to staff, to everyone there. and, you don't forget bein present at something like that and so, this has been a passio of mine, fighting for guns and legislation for several years. >> talk to me about that fight representative pierson, becaus when you are sworn in after yo are reappointed to your seat

you said you kept expel ou fight. talk to me about how you'r going to continue this fight for gun reform look >> well, the republican supermajority of tennessee thought that they were doing will silencing a voice aroun an issue that they have yet to take on seriously. they've offered a lot of false solutions about implementing gun violence, about gun reform myself and representativ johnson and jones sought to do when we lead a peaceful protes was to listen to - and now millions of tennesse instead across the country who are saying we must do somethin differently than the statu quo. so as we continue our fight, i is to make sure that we push forward legislation and next week myself and robson of jone passed legislation that will b putting forward -- and so many others to the stat legislature to say, here are some of the solutions for th epidemic of gun violence tha we face. here is some of the solution that our community is talkin to us about, such as red fla

laws, such as gun store safety laws, such as -- all these executive order fo some background checks int law. if it's good enough to b executive order, it's gonna be a law. we have to have democracy in order to do that, and democracy instead of mob rules instead of the people who ar asking to be heard and be seen will only lead to the roczen should we need we have to restore democracy and restore the voices of ou people to people's house >> absent of johnson, i feel like we say this a lot but i feel like we're at a tipping point in this country. we're certainly seeing grassroots mobilization, certainly in places like nashville as a result of the tragedy there, and what is happened with the three of you but, what would you like to se done both on the national leve if there is something to b done nationally, or do you believe this fight has a bette chance locally in arenas tha you and your colleagues ar fighting >> i think we have to work through both of thos arrangements

something's come to light sinc we have been in the public eye we continue to highlight thi issue. every time we talk about the situation on tv, and after the kentucky situation - kentucky representatives hav reached out to me and said, we have just got to do something. and, we're talking about havin conversations between th states, how can we wor together on this how can we grow this movements how can we continue th conversation and don't let i end with the news cycle an keep and maintain this movemen and build this movement, working both in the states and working at the national leve to seriously bring change. and keep our communities safe. >> and of course, you stil have to go through the nra, or at least try to go around th nra and their grip on th republican party representative pierson, let me get your thoughts about that you've got republicans attending the nra convention i

indiana, let me just play fo you some of the remarks. watch this >> gun hating politician should never go to bed enoug rates of what this association and all of our millions of members can do to thei political careers. >> we don't need gun control we need crime control. >> little miss adi, who wa almost two, she already has shotgun and she already has rifle. >> let's be pretty clear, th issue is not too many guns, th issue is too many thugs an savage criminals on ou streets. >> your reaction to that, ho they're framing this debate in this conversation. >> it's disgusting framing tha they have put forward, and i is becoming of anyone who is supposed to serve the public and the people the reality is, we have an epidemic of gun violence in ou communities because there' obliteration of guns in thei communities that normal folk should not have access to du to legislation that is allowed for that proliferation t occur.

and save tennessee we have - they can get easier for people have access to weapons without even having a permit it's more difficult to vote in the state of tennessee than hi to get an assault rifle, but the problem is the accessibility of weapons, th problem is the legislation tha protects the second amendments as immutable without protectin communities. the reality is, a lot of folks are focusing specifically on school shootings but what about banks what about our neighborhoods and the gun violence w experience on a day-to-day basis, because of lack o legislation and the lack o protection and care fo communities? these asinine comments that ar being said by people on th extreme right, people on the right, are completely out of step with what most people i our country want, wh republicans and democrats, who do you want common sense gun legislation and make sure that women stop in the hands of people that shouldn't have them, and for people who do have guns, because there's enough guns fo everybody in this country righ now, that we make sure that we have gun prevention and gu

violence prevention as well. >> let's hope something change in this country, we can' afford to lose anymore lives t gun violence tennessee state representative laura johnson and justin j pearson, thank you very much, appreciate your time another hour of a man's coming up after a quick break i'm gonna be joined by democratic congressman gre keys are, i don't go anywhere. your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates

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