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marked its first 100 days in power. democratic congressman gre casar is here to help us grade their work plus, double trouble special counsel jack smith's investigations into trump ar both ramping up, and his forme top aides are finall testifying before grand juries then, a worst of the wee first. ted cruz makes his debut appearance facing off agains lindsey graham who's gonna take the top spot? i am ayman mohyeldin let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> bear with me here for a moment, professor ayma mohyeldin has some grading t do this week, kevin mccarthy an the maga-controlled hous marked 100 days in power, 10 days of score settling for far right virtue signaling, an circus like hearings at a pace that would put the wrangling brothers to shame. it has been such a hectic 10 days that it is easy to forget that all the individua episodes of bedlam the gop
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unleashed in the holes o congress just a few short months ago, house republicans required a excruciating 15 ballots to elect kevin mccarthy a speaker. that is unheard of in modern american politics. as a consequence of that, part disunity, desperate concession had to be made to the most extreme members of the republican caucus, the likes o marjorie taylor greene, lauren boebert, matt gates, and others, they leverage the situation to secure mark committe assignments and increase their influence in the caucus. and that is where the real chaos began. it's one of mccarthy's first actions as speaker was to stri representatives eric swalwell, adam schiff, ilhan omar of certain community assignments. and that has been the 12 punch of kevin mccarthy's tenure empowering the far-right allies, subverting the democrati process. consider jim jordan' weaponization subcommittee which was allegedly supposed t produce evidence that american
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conservatives are victims of a vast federal plot to suppres their freedoms instead, the panels hearings have devolved into conspirac laden there be sessions fo aggrieved right winners. and then, there is the house oversight committee chaired by a friend of this show, at leas one of our favorites, jame comer, a republican who ha been quite vocal about his desire to investigate and take down the bidens, while als shutting down vali investigations into trump an his family now, let's be fair here for moment, before going t properly grade the mag -controlled house, we can just focus on how badly the committees have devolved, we should look at the work they are doing for the people you know, the actual legislation there crafting, th real work. and lo and behold, there i been almost no substantive legislation passed by the gop. instead, mccarthy holds vote on absurd things, messagin bills, denouncing socialism, and condemning critical race theory that really have no chance of becoming law, and do nothing to solve the actua
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problems the american people are facing and guess what the next 100 days, well, thing are not looking great 14 mag either we have just seven weeks t raise the debt limit or risk cataclysmic economic consequences and house republicans appear n closer to a possible deal an then back in january so, if we're going to grade th first 100 days of the maga -controlled house, well, tha great is pretty low. and this professor has littl faith that is going to improve as time goes on. joining me now is democratic congressman greg casar o texas. congressman, it's great to hav you back on the show thank you so much for making time for us. i wanted, and i imagine your expectations probably were not very high like mine were, bu has anything particularl disappointed you in the past 100 days what grade would you give hous republicans? >> well, the house republicans certainly get an f double minus, on delivering for a minute american people. but as you point out, they ver
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clearly haven't said that as their goal and, so even though it's not going well for them, we have t work doubly hard to make sur they don't achieve their goals one of which is to try t instill despair an hopelessness and the community and we know hopelessness is th greatest enemy of justice. they want to keep making folks despair with these messaging make us feel like we can't mak any change, make folks fee like government is so broken why even participate we can't let them do that. and then, second, as you noted speaker mccarthy is giving the keys to the car to the marjori taylor greene faction of tha republican party, an threatening to drive the car straight to the global economy costing people millions of job and untold economic sufferin if we don't do what they want, which is cut critical programs like social security, medicaid medicare, head start, and snap these are incredible program that we won and delt democracy. we want to grow them, and we can't be counted to negotiatin
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and compromising with folk that are holding the entir economy for ransom >> let me ask you on how i looks like from the inside i mean, you're on the hous oversight committee. you've witnessed just how much of a circus chairman james comer's hearings have become what can you tell us i mean, you know, outsiders, are we getting it wrong? is there any misconception is there any important wor that's actually being done >> this is a critica committee. it used to be chaired by legendary texas congressma jack brooks, who wrote the impeachment proceedings fo nixon, investigating watergate and made sure government ran more vastly inefficiently. he was called the meanest me and congress, even though he was a nice guy, but it was because he had no patience for grifters and people that if an these government power and dollars. it's an incredible power but when the horrible trai crash happened in east palestine, james comer wante to investigate the biden administration, but didn't wan to call in the ceo of norfol southern when we had a hearing abou
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fentanyl, he didn't want t talk about addiction counselin or treatment for folks, or addressing the public health crisis of fentanyl they wanted to blame this on immigrants, which even the mos conservative border patrol chief said, it's not immigrant that are trafficking fentany into the country they just don't take i seriously because they are really pandering to fox news i'm recognizing, you asked m take on the inside, i'm readin bills. they're watching fox news, and they're trying to play the oversight committee for fox. >> let me ask you about th debt ceiling for a moment, i the showdown, has everyone o nice edge, how nervous are you that house republicans can actually lead us to default? i mean, is there any opportunity to get their grade up >> i think the american people have to create an environmen where the people lead and th politicians follow now, we saw a similar situatio when it seems like the house republicans want to march to shred the affordable care ac
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or obamacare but people came to the capitol folks went and make sure tha this was on local news they were talking about it i church they were talking about it wit their families and obamacare was saved. we need a similar moment for snap and foreheads start and for public housing and for social security. we need to create such a publi outcry that ultimately, if the democrats are able to hold together, we're able to pull a few republicans and, they have a very narrow majority, an keep the global economy afloat but also make sure that thes programs that we've won over centuries of organizing ar able to hold, and then hopefully, we win a hous majority back, and are able to expand medicare and medicaid t cover more people rather tha contracting those key programs >> congressman, let me get you thoughts about what's happenin in your home state of texas. it's been in the news for number of reasons. first, your reaction to th ruling judge kacsmaryk's rulin on mifepristone? >> texas has previously been o the forefront of expanding abortion rights.
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it was here in austin, texas where i'm sitting, where a 2 something year old lawyer name sarah weddington sued the in the state, to never get a case to trial before, one in fron of the supreme court, and on roe v. wade, winning abortio rights for the whole country and i believe it's up to peopl in the south to bring that back, and not accept a lone judge, a one right-winger judge in texa taking safe and effectiv medication off the shelves i mean, what are they gonn come for next? i agree with wha representative ocasio-cortez and others have said that we need the biden administration, we want them to continue t stand strong do not just appeal their case, but to do everything in thei power to not let a judge abuse their power and see such contempt for democracy and judicial wrote that's why we need to expand the supreme court and, and gerrymandering, and citizens united, and bring power back t the legislative branches o government that's responsive t the people >> let me get your thoughts on greg abbott here this week, we also learned about the man, governor abbott
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has said he wants to pardon, o at least try to facilitate a pardon for, a man who wa involved in the murder of black lives matter protester the newly revealed court documents now show daniel perr regularly shared racist meme and sent racist content and in private messages do you think greg abbott wil backtrack on his efforts t secure a pardon for him? >> ayman, there are no winners in a murder trial. greg abbott is trying to win political points off of this pardon just about a couple miles away from me is where this killin happened that was on the city council a the time, and it was really, really devastating and the challenging time and the jury deliberated o this case for two days after listening to two weeks worth o witnesses, and unanimously had a conviction for murder. and when tucker carlson went o tv and said governor abbot
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needs to pardon this perso because they shot a black live matter protester, governor abbott sprung into action, and issued this pardon and i think he's committed t that just like he's been committed to not springing int action on gun violence issue for the children in uvalde and those teachers that were killed he is the same governor that passed permit-less carry is the same governor tha passed open carry, so that there's folks walking around with these weapons of war. these supposedly law and order republicans can never, again save an equal justice system or for public safety, or for accountability, after things like this pardon from governor abbott, after the attacks on the district attorney in manhattan that's going after donald trump for them, it is a la protecting me, but not a lot for the. >> congressman greg casar, thank you so much. greatly appreciate your time a always thanks for coming back on th show coming up, if donald trump has nothing to hide, then why does he keep trying to block people from testifying in front o grand juries
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make it to that and more but first, richard lui, is her with headlines hey, richard >> hey, ayman. very good saturday to you. rutgers university reached a tentative deal with facult students to end a nearly weeklong strike. about 9000 faculty and graduat student workers went on strike monday they had a series of requests, including better job securit for adjunct professors classes expected to resume nex week, according to schoo officials. at least 11 were killed and 21 injured after russian missiles struck a residential area in sloviansk, ukraine rescue teams are still searching for four people, i they believe, and they're unde the buildings rubble and france's president signed controversial bill into law an it increases the state pension age from 62 to 64. the legislation was pushed through parliament without a final vote that prompted nationwide protests since january more ayman with ayman mohyeldi right after this break ♪ ♪ ♪ it's the moment when you realize that a good day... is about to become a bad one.
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>> donald trump is trying to stop mike pence from testifyin before a grand jury in one o
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the federal probes is facing trump filed an appeal earlie this week and asked a cour yesterday to take immediat action and blocking pence' testimony in the special counsel's investigation into trump's efforts to overturn th 2020 election. of course, this is on brand fo the ex president trump has already tried to block other former aides fro testifying before the same grand jury, citing executive privilege. a federal appeals court ha since denied that emotion an some of those aides have begun testifying, including the like of stephen miller and trump' one-time director of nationa intelligence, john ratcliffe joining me now is my saturda night panel, hayes brown writer and editor at msnbc daily. we cynthia alksne, msnbc legal analyst. she is also former federal prosecutor and mike leon, host of can w please talk podcast. cynthia, i'll start with you given the appeals courts prior dismissal of trump's motion, trying to block his former aides from testifying, wha chances does he have to not no
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block pence's testimony, and what with this look like i this appeal work to go to th supreme court? >> he has zero chance. e will lose in a distric court. and he lost in the distric court already. he will lose on appeal, and my hunch is the supreme court won't take it. i would say slim to none, an slim has walked out the door >> all right, hayes, you thoughts on this i mean, we don't know th specifics of what trump' former aides are being asked but there are reports that federal prosecutors are lookin into whether, you know, th former president and his advisers scammed donors by using false claims of vote fraud to raise money, and ther specifically, they're lookin into the time period between november 2020 and of course th insurrection, and later in january 2021 >> yes, i think that there i no chance that this appeal fro trump is going to have muc effect and i think that the special counsel's right to look in thi area because they were raising so much money during thi period
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and what jackson, the specia counsel will be looking at, is what where these aides sayin in private versus what the were telling people when the were making the fundraisin appeals. now, one of the most damning pieces of evidence that we'v had so far to the fact tha they were trying to commit fraud by trying to raise all this money was that trump ha outside investigators look int the claim of fraud befor january, and was told directly by these investigators from th berkeley research center, if i believe, that there was no truth to these claims. and yet, they were still sending these fundraisin emails given what steve bannon ha been charged for in manhattan, and the manhattan court fo raising money to supposedl build, that was never going to happen i do think that that is a very strong case for jack smith t make, eventually >> let's switch gears for moment to a different specia counsel probe, mike, the one
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focusing on handling i classified documents investigators are also askin about whether the former president showed off a map t his aides and visitors wit sensitive intelligence information that he took whe he left office and as more information abou these investigations come out, seal the lengths that trum tried to maintain hi connection to the white house. what do you make of this, mike >> you know, ayman, first off, a great question and thank you for having m back on the program. you know, i've had a bunch o former federal prosecutors criminal defense attorneys, an even a former fbi special agen in charge of espionage on th program to talk about this and the common line through al of them was this special documents case, right? with respect to not only the amount of documents that the former president had in hi possession, but the fact tha he's publicly gone o television, on sean hannity' program, saying he's declassified them in his mind, so he's entitled to then recently on a program on msnbc on meet the press, with todd one of trump's attorneys was talking about playing th
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whataboutism game as we always like to talk about here on thi show, saying that the former vice president and pence and biden when he was a vice president, both misclassifie documents. and at the time, i tweeted, if you are president trump righ now, your attorney is playin the whataboutism game in the court of public opinion, the you probably need new lega counsel. so, i think the big thing fo me with this, with respect t former president trump's case, and like i said, of all th people that i've talked to i the legal field about this this is the one with the mos teeth, right because i would refer to cynthia on all of this as well obviously. but i think this is the one of the most teeth because it has paper trail, and it ha contradictory statements fro the former president o television, on his truth socia platform and we know that there is, lik i said, a paper trail leadin back to it was actually foun at the residence in mar-a-lago >> yes, and i remember recentl that interview that he did o fox were basically, by som people's analysis, confessed t taking these documents and saying that you're allowed t do that, and that i can do it. and cynthia, i want to ask
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about that we know that federal investigators have found evidence that shows trum looked through documents and moved boxes with thi classified material, after h was served a subpoena to tur it all over. as prosecutors move forward to mike's point in this investigation, what type o additional evidence might they need to charge trump wit obstruction here could the interviews that he's also done come back and haun him? >> sure, they can come back to haunt him. but the key evidence, we'll, first of all, let me just sa this -- the document section o the case, the espionage sectio of the case, that has to d with having the document themselves basically an easy case it's like, you stole the documents. we told you we wanted them back your promise to do it. you didn't do it you lied about we ask you then. you said - pretty please. and we served him a subpoena you lied again, and then w found them so, that part of the case is actually pretty easy, and read to go. and the obstruction case looks like it's also getting easie and ready to go, because the one thing we know is a federal
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judge has pierced the attorney client privilege on th obstruction issue with one o his lawyers. and now, we find out tonight and that the lawyer has recuse himself, evan corcoran, and yo don't recuse yourself unless you think there's an indictmen coming down the pipe bike and his testimony relates to the obstruction. so, not only do we have th documents part done, the obstruction has to do with corcoran, it has to do wit walt not, i don't know how t pronounce his last name, movin the documents, and the testimony that they have gathered that the presiden went through the documents themselves so, yes, the statements to sea hannity and his ranting on truth social could come in, too, but the heart of the soul of the case will be people at mar-a-lago who know that h went to the documents and lied about it >> all right, panel, stick around, got a lot more t discuss. next, new complaints have been filed against clarence thoma after more allegations o wrongdoing have surface.
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night may just reach new heights. late this, week propublica published a bombshell ne report exposing a secret transaction between justic clarence thomas and rob an republican megan megadonor harlan crow -- wheels it company cling to gro but thomas's childhood home an two vacant lots in savannah, georgia. the billionaire pay just ove $133,000 to the justice and hi family for the property. federal disclosure law passe after watergate requires justices to disclose the justices of most real estate date also grew - by thomas, well, he neve disclosed sail the transaction marks the firs known incidents of money flyin directly from the billionair into thomas's pockets. shocking revelations come on the heels of last week's report
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also from polk propublica that details how comes accompanie cohen lavish trips for nearl 20 years without disclosin them thomas is apparent disregard for ethics has prompte understandable outrage senator sheldon whitehouse has called on the traditiona conference to her for thomas t attorney general merrick garland for a possible investigation. and citizens for responsibilit and ethics in washington, watchdog nonprofit, i filed civil and criminal complaint against thomas my panel is back with me hayes, thomas made many othe disclosures this year -- even a 500-dollar stained glas medallion. not the property sale to harla crow what do you make of this >> one of the points has bee made many times over the las week is that we expect the supreme court justice to b able to interpret really obscure, difficult, authorit laws but he's apparent excuses that he couldn't understand the
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ethicalguidelines that wer required of him. that makes no sense. he has to have known that this is a transaction that should have been reported and if this is his argument, w should not be on the bench a this point maybe he should consider retiring if he can't keep trac of those sorts of things in hi head i'm just saying, there is no way that anyone who is in that position would not know that you have to disclose to sort o deal period. >> the troubling thing, cynthia, for me at least, tha propublica reports - sorry, after its report, sleet confirmed that thomas's mother actually still lives at th house that is now owned an completely remodelled bike photo. i think, from my opinion, that that complicates things even for their for their justice. this was a time selling th house and moving on. no his mother still lives in th house that was paid for by crow
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>> right and they did $36,000 worth o improvements and the propublica asked thomas an asked crow, by the way, if you pay any rent and there is crickets. and i'm answering >> what that leads my little prosecutor notes to tell me is that notion that pay any rent and w wait to see about. that if there is not any question that these are al things that should have been reported, and we also know, an we are not - and we also know that at som point during the time the ow this home, he reported it is a rental property. so, it was appearing on hi forms. and then after he sold it it magically disappeared withou any explanation. so, i don't think you can sa with a straight face that he did not know he was supposed t do this. of course he knew. and he was hiding in and he should be referred to the justice department it's violate the law and he is i think we challenged. and he does not belong on th
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supreme court. and think there's any question about that we all want to dance around it because we all want to love th supreme court and revered like we did when we were younger an it just does not deserve tha kind of respect any longer >> yeah, i was going to say, a lot of us are, i still think believe that the supreme court is above the mistakes that w are used to seeing in congress perhaps even in the executiv branch we always like to think it i the one last branch of government that has been pur and has not been corrupted >> sorry, quiet, cynthia >> all these - many of these justices were in front of the american people and said, oh, i believe in stare decisis, and row, an with people to believe that ro v. wade was safe and that they believed in the president an the minute they have the votes they took away a woman's right to control her own body. everybody who has in thi country knows they were lied to and now you add to that that this justice has been taking
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half million dollar trips an pretending that he does no have to report it. and he thinks that we are also stupid that we can't figure ou what he's doing. >> well, not smart enough to b a supreme court justice but i' smart would've to se corruption's vaccine face >> yeah, i think i'm with you on that. when mike, in a statement to propublica, pro said that he purchased thomas's childhood home to preserve it fo posterity and set, but m intention is to want a creativ public museum at the thoma home dedicated to telling th story of our nation's second black supreme court justice. we have any plans to purchase ticket for the clarence thomas museum in savannah georgia i it ever opens up >> yeah. a, i was thinking of this when you bite me on the program tonight because i'm a raider fan and everyone knows me that watches this program knows i'm raider but that wasn't a raiders fa use of a night of radars raiders gear that i have in my house it's waveland woodst island grove has been nazi
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memorabilia. and so we need to think about, we need to start looking a things from a right around prospective and i don't alread perspective. everybody should be on the sam side of this equation here because at best this i incredibly unethical and it' -- impropriety at worsen violation of the oath that justice thomas took and h could be potentially compromised to vote in favor o the way someone is telling him to vote and i have representative jamal bowma coming on a podcast this comin week and he's been very vocal a well as well as other house an senate members like yo mentioned with sheldon whitehouse calling for justice thomas to resign and i'm i favor of that as well. if that's the courts that it's going to take because i know that legal experts that i've talked to you and i defer to cynthia again. it's a tricky road t impeachment. there's only one justice in ou history that's been a beach an returned with five so this is not an easy way t travel but again, i best, this is incredibly unethical and w should all be on the safe side of this about this man payin for these trips and i'm no disclosing the >> eight, what do you make o the radio silence from thoma on this latest report?
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he's not even compelled to speak publicly about it but is there a defense he canno foresee just going to continue to take this >> it's going to continue to take this because why wouldn't you at this point. on the one hand reason as th silent justice for how early he's asked questions on th bench. so the fact that we actually put out a statement about this juicy's at least more worrie about. at the idea that this purchase was essentially to build a museum at some point - it boggles the mind. that that is the reason that that was given like, that could not patient t later. you had to buy it now when there is no sign of a smal moving out and you are preemptively buying it for whe she dies and - i end off the table. -- that is the sort of thing that is - put in the constitution to dea -- with the founders and --
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but for good not through the behavior but without the behavior - very political tools that wa used to rein them in then they're at least needs to be some sort of investigatio within the senate judiciar committee if the house is goin to do it and i just want to look an compare the difference in what the senate judiciary committee is going to be focused on wors with the house judiciary committee is focused on. if the house republican said any sort of integrity they would be jumping up and down trying to investigate, i trying to see, is this person, we have trusted to interpret the constitution acting in a corrupt manner if they want to talk about corruption in government, whic they clearly do, then they nee to be looking into this. >> yeah, and said republican are too busy coming tonight an to hold sham hearings here jus as political points to mak some headlines instead of an mike - lee stick around after the break we want to talk about th
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advil dual action. >> he may have been the leader of an online chat grou dedicated to gaming, guns, racist memes, but th 21-year-old arrested for allegedly leaking classified military documents is no doubt discovering things we do onlin have serious consequences in the real world jack teixeira, member of the massachusetts air guard made his first court appearance yesterday at the fbi arreste him just outside his mother' house a day earlier. jack teixeira has been charged with two counts of unauthorize retention and -- transmission of national defense information. and the unauthorized removal and retention of classifie documents or material. they carry a maximum sentenc of ten years behind bars i think we get here? well, last week the new york times published a story abou the existence of thi classified military document that have been circulating o social media exposin potentially hundreds of page
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of intelligence about u.s. spying that isn't russia efforts in ukraine after an intense weeklon investigation, federal authorities were elected t jack teixeira, an eye to the specialist otis internationa guard base, according to the air force. he holds top secret security clearance when has bee allegedly posting classified information online since december joining me now is mark prom or uplifts -- of course he's a former ci officer. mark, it's great to have you back on the. show i think people were quite shocked that these leaks first appeared on a gaming chat room that consisted of mostly teenagers and monitored by jac teixeira i need to know, we surprise it by this is something the u.s. can >> well, first of all, it' great to be back on the show i think that we are learning all about generation z now this, of course, is quit common among folks that age.
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2021 - the love of game in the chat rooms. but i think what we are really learning about in terms of m world and the intelligence businesses that there's quite security risk involved here. so i think the entire proces on how we think of that quit investigations onboardin perspective, officers and also continued access to classified information in the departmen of, defensive intelligence communities going to struggle bit to figure out how do w monitor the chat rooms there are privacy concerns but certainly, we had a ba apple. and it got through and it's a problem >> are you surprised you know the intelligence were certainly better than i am that is a color that a 21-year-old would have acces to this kind of information? that is not to demean his ag or to look at his age and sa -- but it's more about th experience that perhap somebody who is more longevity and more experience in the intelligence community, perhap a little bit more stable and emotionally mature, it is no as readily accessible to these
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documents as this young ma wise >> sure. it's a great question. and i think a lot of people -- we've been scratching our head on that. but the fact of the matter is, particularly in the u.s. military, are young made and women are given tremendous responsibility and the age their 19 year olds who manag nuclear reactors on subs there are 20-year-olds who wor at the national security agenc with top secret clearances so, the fact that we hav people so young might be a surprise but that does exist. what happens here is we have - in kind of the i.t. sector whe you have someone administering systems, they would have acces to classified information. this intelligence unit that wa located amazingly enough o cape cod massachusetts - you never thought the cape would be the center of the intelligence world for a week. but this unit did have worldwide responsibility so somebody with administrativ access would have the abilit to pick and choose through som of these - so this classified material. i think gop is gonna look to tighten that up, but not a
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particular surprise that someone so young and knowing that they would have these access these are things that i thin there's going to b investigations on the hill will be a lot of questions asked, but this was common d.o.d. practice that i think will be -- people take a hard look at i now. >> there are some on the right who are trying to paint jack teixeira as this anti-wa whistleblower. the discord group actually doesn't seem to see him that way. given the information that was leaked, is this even a fai label to consider? how do you assess th significance of what he ha released, as opposed to th motivation of why he release it >> sure. first and foremost, he release classified information he obviously took it out o secure spaces. he broke the law and i think he's going to spend quite some time in prison you signed secrecy agreements. you are well briefed on this so, there's no doubt that he knew what he was doing was
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wrong. there's a couple points on this. first of all, kind of the hard rights defensiveness i ridiculous and i think no one's reall taking it particularly seriously in my own world. but there's something that's important to note. and his discord -- in the chat group -- we don't know who is on there. so, he might have this strange motivation to be kind of showing off and sharing thes documents with friends but there's also reports tha there were ethiopians in the chat group it would be very easy fo hostile intelligence service posing as someone to be member of this group so, there's a lot more to that story. but again, the idea that somehow this is some sort of whistleblower or a hero is utterly ludicrous. i think we will have no bearin on, certainly, the defense and it's making a lot of peopl on the right who are sayin this look pretty silly it's taking this seriously >> yeah, i was gonna say, my point to it is we have clear ways of acting out as whistleblower. if you are a person wh believes there is wrongdoing happening in the government, there are ways to come forward and to share that information, either with congress or with the press, but in this case it
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does not seem to have met that criteria marc polymeropoulos, it' always a pleasure. thanks so much great to see you again thanks, marc polymeropoulos. up next, time for worst of the week today it's a battle between tw of the gop's two mos high-profile senators. they're with us. with the money we saved, we tried electric unicycles. i think i've got it! doggy-paddle! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ (wheezing) asthma isn't pretty. it's the moment when you realize that a good day... is about to become a bad one. but then, i remembered that the world is so much bigger than that, with trelegy. because one dose a day helps keep my asthma symptoms under control. and with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler, trelegy helps improve lung function so i can breathe easier for a full 24 hours. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. trelegy contains a medicine that increases risk of hospitalizations and death
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the week for this edition, we want to give a warm welcome to senator ted cruz senator, it's taken you so lon to get on the show better late than never starting his career in the senate as a conservative bom thrower leading the shutdown i an effort to strip fine fo obamacare. he carried that partisan stree all the way to january six whe he voted against certifying in 2020 election results that led to capital riot.
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now that up for reelection cruz is suddenly starting to paint itself is a bipartisan reasonable republican willin to look work across the aisle. i think campaigns should b about issues and substance and results. okay, big guy. next up, trump loyalists and lindsey graham, another wors of the week contender. you may recall that graham spoke out against the saud government in 2018 after the brutal assassination of -- effect, he vowed to never do business with the country as long as mbs was in power fast forward to 2023, mbs is still in power graham, you guessed it, doin business with him and he met with the crown prince this wee for a, quote, candid meeting look at that, senator is sharing his appreciation to th kingdom for purchasing $37 million worth of south carolin
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made boeing seven 87 in case you're wondering, now. graham did not mention custodial in any of hi statements. let's bring back hayes brown and mike lee on to the conversation. gentlemen, who do you have? i'll star with you hayes. who's the wors the week for you. >> gotta get to cruise. i gotta give it t lindsey graham. ted cruz that's very funny that you try to make this play right now, but his hypocrisy? lindsey graham's hockey, sat i dangerous. i wish that i could laugh at how clearly raven lindsey graham's right now, bu i get that there's plenty of blame to go around in terms of government officials who talks tough on saudi arabia and then go over and see biden's visit. i get it this is not a partisan thing though, it's just unfortunat that lindsey graham would talk so tough in 2018, but stil choose to go to saudi arabia
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today because of the economi investment aspect of it. that' not the sort of moral standing that he was projecting in 2018 i guess that's we have t expect for lindsey graham. > mike, who do you have? >> well i'm so glad hayes went wit lindsey cause i was ready to lay into ted cruz. my sister lives in texas, so love th good people of texas, shut u to them. but, i aske representatives of mull when h came on the program a few week ago, i asked him about working with other members across th aisle. how do you work wit somebody like a senator te cruz that maybe flip-flops o different positions or spreads misinformation o disinformation and goes easy you don't work with those kind of people. i work with sensibl republicans that want to pas meaningful legislation tha will affect constituencies. he worked with representative chris stewart on a suicide hotline bill. there's a reason why the former speaker of th house jon bayne wrote what h we wrote about -- or said what he said about ted cruz years ago. ted cruz, in my opinion is one of the worst folks in the senate right now. lindse
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graham -- blanc. >> hayes, crews can try to paint a bipartisan image o himself but here's my question does he really expect us t forget everything he has done, including flying to cancun while his constituents froze i texas, mocking aoc's fears o being assaulted on january the 6th, picking a fight wit sesame street's big bird ove the pro vaccine psa, and a whole lot more. >> he clearl thinks it's possible, or a least is willing to allude himself to think it's possible he diluted him self into thinking that shutting down th government would defun obamacare early on in hi career, so i don't see why tha sort of mindset would change with age at this point. an with him. all he knows is that it will be harder for him to win in texas than it has bee before, so he's trying to ge ahead of that now. >> all right, let me ask you this mike graham, and not the first time he has flip-flopped on someone he famously went after trump during the 2016 election b
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saying if they nominated him i would destroy the republican party. called him a racist, as you move for, saying that he was selling some fake stuff to the base, now he's one o trump's most loyal advocates he practically cried on fox th other day when trump was indicted, is graham not th most shameless man in th senate with these flip-flops >> i mean amen, joe my scripture that i'm reading from? jesus christ, you're reading everything was going to say. and all seriousness, we al remember the house floor wit lindsey graham said that night of january six when th proceedings were interrupted and when he came back to the house. he said enough, i'm out that's it, i'm done. and lik you said, he's in a nice place varies on sean hannity any a crocodile tears, anything that you should donate to present trump's campaign. nobody i flip-flop more. john kerry whe he was running for president if you remember back in 04 how much slack -- flak sorry, it h got. lindsey graham is one o the best, but my notice stil
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for ted cruz. >> he is now trying to fund-raise off of th bill that would enact tern limits for senators, keeping that two turns. and yet here h is running for a third tur himself. classic cruise, no? > plus a cruise. especially as h knows it's not gonna pass. that's the beauty of it. you can just throw up bills you're not gonna pass in hopes of getting your message acros that i'm a good guy. he do anything to prove it. >> listen, since we have a tie here, i' gonna be a tie breaker. mike story disappoint you. i've got to go with lindsey graham on this one. sorry bud. >> no worries, no worries. >> lindse graham just continues to jus go lower and lower, week after week. who knows where th bottom will be. hayes brown, mike leah, thank you so much i really appreciate insights throughout this hour. thank yo for making time for us. make sure to come back tomorrow night nine eastern msnbc. john leguizamo towards me for a conversation about his new msnbc docuseries, tourin across the country, celebratin the latino experience of excellence in this country. i'
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