>> good morning, it's sunday april 16 i'm sam stein filling in for ali velshi even as the race for the 202 gop presidential nominatio takes shape, future of the republican party itself an what it actually stands fo still remains unclear. that was highlighted by a pair of events this weekend attended by donald trump and other prospective candidates on friday, top republicans attended an nra convention i indianapolis just days after a pair of mass shootings in louisville an nashville push the issue of gu

control back to the top of america's minds. yesterday, gop members wer actually in nashville tennesse for a private donor retrea with the future of the party was a central topic. trump gave the keynote speec there last night according to a copy of his remarks, - former president declared that older republican is gone and i it's never coming back trump defined that old republican party as a part known for starting wars, cutting social security an medicare, are offering amnesty to undocumented immigrants instead as part of his big return to the white house, h vowed to crack down on the border, pledged to vote, kee men out of women sports. and not to the current anti-trans women within th republican party what went unmentioned in his speech, however, was abortio and climate change those are two key issues tha animated younger voters an voters of the other generation even though other speakers a the retreat urge the party t

move on from trump, he doe remain at the top of the republican party not sure that -- not a sure bet that he will wi the nomination again he faces competition this time around from florida governor ron desantis among others. then of course is the fact tha trump is the first current o former president to be charged with a crime on top of, that he's still the subject of a multitude of othe pending cases including an upcoming trial in a civil case brought against him by the writer and columnist e. jean carroll. two federal cases relate to th january 6th insurrection and his handling of classified documents. joining me now to unpack tha is kyle cheney senior legal affairs reporte for politico probably knows the stuff bette than anyone else in th business kyle, thanks for joining us. let's start with fund raising. nice to see you. start with fundraising trump filed a report with th fec yesterday showing that his campaign and his fund raisin

committee raised about 18. million at during the firs three months of this year. more interestingly enough is that his campaign says h raised 15.4 million in the las two weeks since he was indicted what do you make of th indictment boosting. what is the center olivia bein targeted legally for trump politically? >> that's been trump's centerpiece of trump's reaso for being since he started running for office in 2015 i think putin himself as - portraying himself as a su decider who's fight agains these forces conspiring agains him. has been central to his messag for the entirety of hi political life i think that the indictmen helps crystallized that. i think it's clearly gonna b rocket fuel for his campaign for his fund raising efforts whether the translates into broader political support. that's the key here. or does that translate int real world political support that means something should he survive th

nominating contest that's where the gap is. i think that's still where there is question marks abou his viability. >> does it cost him the general? let's switch to the lega stuff. up next for trump is the trial in one of -- civil suits against him. i believe it's slated to begin about nine days. and then last week, trump' legal team filed a motion to delay it what's the basis of that what's the likelihood that the could get a delay in the case? >> the basis for that was th publicity around the indictmen by the dea and manhattan he said this is also in ne york it's the same jury poo essentially. do you really want to -- can you get a fair jury when there's so much news swirlin around the indictment. the judge is not really gonn buy that because number one yo are donald trump, there is always a solid controversy oasis for a lot of media i don't think there's an likelihood it's gonna be les

so in nine days from now tha it is today. or was last week clearly in the indictment news is huge. even by trump standards. but there -- you could see the indictment o any of those other things yo just highlighted the documents case is pretty close to fruition. the things in fulton county or the election interference issu could come to fruition in th next couple of weeks i don't think the medi environments going to calm dow anytime soon around on trump >> it hasn't in about six year so yeah, i think that's a fair guess. what's at stake for trump in this carroll case? i think it's kind of been little bit under the radar compared to the other ones you mentioned. what is his vulnerability? what kind of fines o punishment could he face >> that's a good question. he seeking damages from him fo this claim that he defamed - this is a defamation case. not what he said about her whe he allege that he raped her in the 90s. in new york and you mentione

there's a separate case pendin that has to do with the actual allegations that she's made. this defamation case, sh seeking down it's more about holding him to account in the sense that's why she's bringing this case and wants to -- you want to put donald trump may be in a courtroom, maybe o the stand to address these allegations in a way in a public way we haven't really seen. he's been deposed in this case and even deposition transcript that has been made public ha been really eye-opening to see him respond in that kind of setting. you put him actually in that courtroom and on the stand i front of a jury. it's really almost a test case for some of these are th things that are pending around him. >> kyle, i don't want to ask you to put yourself into the mindset of the prosecutors her are. but because there are so man different cases, i'm curious what you think someone down in fulton county thinks about the timing of their case when they watch alvin bragg go forward they watch the kara lawsuit go forward. do they feel like they have to

maybe tap the brakes and get their own time in the sun or does that factor into any of the timing situations in terms of what trump will face legally? >> i would suggest that for al the claims that there are some big since proceeded takedown trump with all these cases these are not being coordinate with each other. there is a pileup going on i don't think that it' necessarily helpful to jac smith and washington or to fan willis in atlanta to have th new york case sort of jump t the front of the line in in some, ways to get a preview of what trump's strategy is to counter an indictment. the new york cases ver significantly different in these other cases. but another ways, there is questions about this in your case and whether it's strong enough to be the sort of tes case against a former presiden in terms of criminal charges i don't know if fani willi likes this case going before hers but i do think they're movin on their own timeline.

the way the grand jury process works in georgia is differen in the way it works in new york the way it works in washington i don't think these are al being carefully crafte together >> five words, just five words i want you to answer this. how do you keep track of all this stuff >> a lot of caffeine >> all right, politicos -- could about it but on time for me i won't hold it against you. but thank you for joining us it is the weekend. thank you so much, talk to you later. i'm joined now by nbc senior national politics reporter jonathan allen also tireless and jacket but i is the weekend, we will allo it john, you've been following th nra convention in indianapolis took place days after the mass shootings in nashville and louisville what's your biggest take awa from the convention so far >> the biggest takeaway is tha the nra. even though it has lost some power overtime has had scandal, has had lawsuit leadership has bee

embarrassed publicly despite all of that, it remain a powerful conduit between political leaders and gu rights activists you saw all these presidential candidates i was there on friday. -- whether it's donald trump, mik pence, the governor sout dakota or people from - the sanders and nikki hale among them pledged their loyalty to not just the national rifl association but basically an -- diminished an unrestricted second amendment - >> you were there on friday. i notice this too. kind of interesting. the former vice president mike pence was greeted with quote a mix of lusty boos. and generous applause as the convention which was held in his home city. he had previously served a governor there why was he booed

he's an avowed gun enthusiasts he's against any restriction at all on firearms he speech was an ode to th nra. so why was he booed? >> he was booed because people who support donald trump - supporters in the crowd are so angry and mike pence for certifying the 2020 election mike pence and donald trum parted ways in 2020 over whether -- early 2021, january 6th, o whether that election should b certified. and whether or not donald trum should call off his riotin supporters who were looking to as they said hang mike pence a big split between these tw guys you saw it here. eroded as lusty boos, i thin they were very loud, aggressive, energetic people who wer booing him at the same time, -- there were people applauding

the intensity of hatred fo mike pence among a certain set really stood out >> truly remarkable. obviously, all this happened against the backdrop of th national school shooting which has prompted a heate debate especially among younger generations. we saw in the national capital both teenagers and young adult protesting over the last coupl of weeks for gun control. we saw support of the tw ousted representatives justin jones, justin pearson they were expelled from th legislation and quickl reinstated for participating i those protests did that a factor at all int what do you saw on the groun at the nra convention? was there a buzz of doubted? did people talk about it obviously, we don't think it's gonna impact their positions o the messaging. i'm curious if they're aware o the sort of a stand brewin resentment among the younger crowd. >> i think if anything, it makes people - i didn't talk to any voters in

interviews walked around the hall interviewed people about politics and that issues more than anything, they're du in there is been some i guess pivot overtime over the last few years with their the republican party among gun rights activists t talk about some of these thing in a slightly different way. former president trump talking about mental health, talking about basically said we don' have a gun problem, we have societal problem, a cultural problem, a spiritual problem that sort of been the approach wants to subsidize being teachers being able to buy a concealed carry weapons so tha it's two different planets really -- this nra convention that i was at and what's going on outside with that youth activism are talking about. these political candidates kno their audience you even saw christy -

the governor of south dakota t go - transfer st. peter self and sa i am the nra and really, i thought that was reflective of the attitude o most of the political escape >> there is no vandagriff. they're just ask you ver quickly. with respect to trump. both mike pence and super pa supporting run scent his hav essentially tried to payments heretic on the issue of guns we're really shaky at best pointing to pass support for gun control. even during his presidency meeting with democrati lawmakers and briefly agreeing to some forms of gun control between -- before quickly walking it back sort of famously at the whit house with diane feinstein does that stick for the nr crowd? are they at all wobbly when it comes to trump >> great questions, sam. i asked some of the voters tha i talked to. some of the people o mentioning one woman said to me she didn' like what trump did on gun control in particular. she and her husband said o poem stocks, he tried to ban

from stocks. and then also don't point so they wanted to ban people from buying before the age of 21. they said they didn't like tha about him. the woman i spoke to said sh doesn't agree with all the - she still the trump voter. her husband is a term foreigne bodies - >> i think they're all managin to find ways to get back t trump in the end and nbc's john allen thank you so much for your reporting a dispatch appreciated. coming up at the top of th hour, i will be joined b democratic senator maisy hor of hawaii. the gop focusing on attacks of women's reproductive rights. i'll talk to her about how legislation seeking to protect patients and what it means for the 2024 and future of america democracy. plus the man suspected o leaking classified documents i due in court again this week we'll have the latest on the

geopolitical file from the security breach and its effect on americas national security. deadly fighting between riva factions in sudan, vying for control of the governmen continues into its second day. we will bring you up to spee on this very important story that's all right ahead o velshi

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situation in the african natio of sudan [sound of gunfire] >> months of political unres and escalating tensions betwee rival military faction culminated in bloodshed on saturday 50 civilians have been kille across the country nearly 600 were wounded. this morning, the united state is calling for an immediat cease fire

buttery members of the - paramilitary group called rapi support forces for more on this developin story, i am joined by nbc' josh lederman. josh, as far as we know, there are a number of american ramped up in that situation as well can you explain how we got t this point and is there an hope that the violence will an soon >> sam, the seeds of thi current crisis for planted years ago. at least as far back as 2019 when longtime islamic ruler of sudan, omar -- was ousted in a popula uprising replaced with a civilian military power sharing agreement. but then two years ago, ther was a coup the military took full control and there was supposed to be a plan where the military of sudan and as powerfu paramilitary force known as th rapid support for horses we're supposed to come togethe and risk - begin to turn power back ove

to a civilian-led government but instead, what we've seen i these tensions building up ove the last few months and no erupting into violence is massive rivalry between thos two armed groups that is now playing out. really across the country of sudan. with competing claims for wh is in control of the presidential palace of the international airport wher we've seen a smoke rising as the fighting has bee intensifying even the state run tv station. it's very difficult to kno who's actually in control in sudan right now. amid ongoing bloodshed the world food programme announcing three of thei workers have been killed ambassador cindy mccai announcing that the world food programme is putting on hold at their activities there. they haven't had additiona workers who have uninsured as you mentioned, the u.s. ambassador hugh sheltering in place at th embassy. while the united states is calling on any america citizens who are in the countr right now to shelter in plac as well. we're waiting to see whether the u.s. government might star to work on evacuation option

for some of those americans wh are still in the country to your question or what doe any end in sight for thi violence it doesn't appear so at th moment the military in suda announcing that they are rulin out any negotiations at th moment instead, insisting tha paramilitary force the rapid support forces b disbanded, sam >> just a very volatil situation. nbc's josh lederman. thank you so very much for you reporting. still to come, we're learnin more from these leaked intelligence documents apparently, the u.s. was aware of more chinese spy balloons those documents also reveale sensitive information about th war in ukraine all talk to americas forme ambassador to russia, michae mcfaul there he is. about the geopolitical fallout and what the leaks mean for ou national security. that's coming up next on velshi louds of your choice. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you innovate and grow.

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civilian items joining me now is former u.s ambassador to russia, michae mcfaul is also an msnb international affairs analyst. and author of from cold war to have peace an american ambassador - thank you so much. a lot of information we have learned from the leaks focuses on russia. war in ukraine including death estimates, political infightin inside russia. the russian back wagner grou looking for business and haiti what do you make of thes revelations? is there anything we should be putting more focus on or les focus on >> the first thing we should focus on is why is thi 21-year-old have access to all these documents? i don't understand it. given the job that he does and the national guard, in massachusetts, this is god obeah focus of the forum we have great leadership today -- at the dni, bill burns of th

cia. they need to take the reform s this doesn't happen again. there's no reason the national guard in massachusetts needs t know about the things you just described. secondly, we're learning things it's interesting for somebod like me to see what th assessment of the united state government are it's deeply damaging to ou national security or the russians to see that or our korean partners to se that that's why we have to take the reforms to stop this now >> let's say your ambassador t russia at the time assuming we still have a ambassador russia serving their you saw these leaks ge publicized online and then disseminated what would your reaction b professionally and i guess emotionally? would you be panicked at the thought that our secrets wer being unspooled in public? >> that's not a hypothetical for me because - edward snowden came when i was

ambassador i had multiple reactions both myself and the obam administration -- this is a traitor under -- that's what mr. snowden was. i think that's what mr. -- to, i think this is an important part that we are not understanding. there are some actual documents, we can talk about what other people have learned about u.s. policy what it also exposes is what w do know. what i'm struck by is how much we do know for instance abou russian infighting about the war. that in moscow mean circuit to be looking for why we know that they're gonna be trying to close down those sources o information that our intelligence communities are obtaining. i think in many ways, that's the biggest damage of leak like this. >> i was gonna ask you about that sort of curious what your political thought and week are. are obviously, we don't want

our intelligence being revealed, certainly russia doesn't wan to know that we have intelligence on them how do you think this of america's strategy vis-à-vis the war in ukraine going forward. >> when ukraine i think th most damaging pieces o information in these documents are the u.s. government' assessment of the planet counteroffensive that presiden zelenskyy's team allegedly are planning we need to keep seeing allegedly, over one assume it's happening you are already mid april an hasn't happened. those are damning assessments. that wouldn't damage - to the relationship becaus president zelenskyy wants hi backers to be supportive o him. that is a signal also to the russian armed forces that mayb this counteroffensive won't be as effective as they assess as well that could help be the ukrainians there is a story that says the russians will put their guar

down i don't see it that way. i think this is damaging to th bilateral relationship at th most critical moment in th war. after all, everybody i think agrees that this is a critical counteroffensive that there may not be othe counteroffensive this may be the biggest one of the war. it's bad time for the american to be looking like we don' think it'll be successful. >> certainly true when you consider house republicans hav said they will potentially review of not hold back on additional aid to ukraine. let me ask you quickly wal street journal, journalist evan gershkovich american citizen, reporter for the journal. detained in russia, accused by the russians of being a spy. state department says he's bee wrongfully detained. he's written a letter to his parents telling them he is not losing hope. you know the russians well you are probably more familiar with how putin thinks than anyone on this planet.

outside of russia. what are the chances of gettin evan gershkovich out in your estimation and how soon if w can get him out? >> first, it's an awful story. it's horrific in many ways he's not a criminal, he's no spying this is gonna make it harder and more dangerous for us to get him information out of russia that's why he was detained the article he wrote before he was detained it's about ho sanctions were working i russia that's exactly the kind of story that modern putin doesn' want in the wall street journal. second, he'll have to be convicted. they'll have to go through the process where they claim tha he's a criminal. and then they'll b negotiations about trades. there are russians held no just in the united states bu in other countries germany in particular. they want to trade in the biden ministration' going to have to make th really hard decision again a they had to do with britne griner and victor bout or real criminal - do you take that trade i wish them well

those are very hard decisions. >> wish them well as well. ambassador michael mcfaul, thank you so much, appreciat the insights switching now to domestic news a new name seems to set to jum into the republican race for the 2024 nomination. that would be south carolina senator tim scott. after days of searching for an answer, he has finally committed to quote literally sign the most conservative pro-life legislation we'll dig into that coming u next while loading up our suv, one extra push and... crack! so, we scheduled at safelite.com. we were able to track our technician and knew exactly when he'd arrive. we can keep working! ♪ synth music ♪ >> woman: safelite came to us. >> tech: hi, i'm kendrick. >> woman: replaced our windshield, and installed new wipers to protect our new glass. that's service on our time. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ ♪ ♪

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pool of possible republica candidates running for president in 2024. senator tim scott of south carolina he has launched a presidential exploratory committee. in a twitter video, scott said he will quote never back down. in defense of the conservative values that make america exceptional. nbc's own ali vitali was abl to sit down with the republica for an exclusive interview o friday he spent much of the interview dodging direct questions including some about his potential chief rival in the race, donald trump >> to me a chance to talk abou -- >> scott did have this to sa about what is arguably the mos important voting issue of 2024 >> every time a state -- status the ability to have

those conservative bills tha they can get past th legislature. i support the culture of lif without question >> it's six weeks the righ mile marker? >> the people have decided tha they're elected leaders have the opportunity to do so so i see absolutely. as the culture of life is bein protected, we should celebrate that states will have different varying views on that when h asked, if i were president o united states, i would literally sign the mos conservative pro-lif legislation that they can ge through congress >> even if it was six weeks? >> i'm not gonna talk about si or five or seven or ten. i am seeing that whatever th most conservative legislatio is that can come through congress - >> is what he would sign >> yes >> such a hard line stance o abortion may play well wit assange republicans, it will likely put scott at odds wit more moderate voters according to new poll from the public religion research institute, 64% of americans wh believe abortion should be

legal in all or most cases that's from 55% who answer tha way to the question in 2000 an a ten. joining me now is mulling an fast, a special corresponden and vanity fair. hostility podcast fast politics marina sean, republica strategist, former senior aide on capitol hill. adviser for the renewe democracy initiative thank you both for joining us. we know abortion is going to b the key issue in the nex presidential election. it wasn't an issue in the last election, been an issue in the intervening elections. after a bumpy start, senator scott is now really leaning to it what do you think took him s long to get to the place for h ultimately was - and does his journey to that place underscore for you the parallels the republicans ar beginning to recognize comes with a post-dobbs abortion landscape? >> let's talk about the senato tim scott that we have known

all this time. it's a man that did not give any policy positions o abortion until now he's colleague in the senate lindsey graham, south carolina will take about 15 weeks, he would be quick to sort of give exactly where he was that. now we know where tim scott' data saying he'll be the most conservative i say he's saying it now because he believes he has a real shot at this republican nomination he thinks he can do that right now by going hard right. by trying to see which evangelical, which faith-based republican voters he can yield right now. and then he wants to come more to the center. we see the same strategy employed by governor ron desantis of florida. by going hard right right now. they're banking on one thing they believe that voters will have shorte memories they're gonna go this far righ now they can shift to th center tim scott, look, let's fee back the layers of what he represents as an exploratory committee announcement and not coming out the way nikki haley

did saying i am running so emphatically he's doing two things. here he's really taking th slow he wants to slow walk it and see what he can do right now and right, now what i see ti scott also doing is being mike pence like he may not have been tha person all this time socially. but he sort of showing that in this moment. if i were advising tim scott, would say two things lean into what you're good a and that's the economy and education. two things really important to the republican voters. he can do the number one b talking about opportunitie zones, to this distress area across the u.s. that are reporting investment that super political secondly he can talk about school choice. he can do this with governor glenn youngkin of virginia the way he was able to get the suburban moms these women that voice -- may be independent right now he can get them back and b talking about the economy an education. right now, tim scott i don't want to say quickl that he doesn't have a sho

because governor ron desanti is not yet in this race. i want to stay up against nikk haley, i think tim scott has a pretty good shot that's - if he sticks to the issues, he can shift this side case i this republican primary. >> molly, let's pick up on that there are -- early emphasis from senato scott has been on social issues less so education but more - demo because he's being presse on it but still. are you surprised by that? according to a report from the financial times. there are some donors who ar -- withholding funds from rhond santa's campaign precisely because of his emphasis on those social issues. are you surprised that tim scott is there or is this th nature of a moderate republica party that have to play in the playground >> it's absurd it's preposterous. we see this polling. americans 55% of americans are

more choice -- the end of roe has created a pro-choice majority. and maybe it was more ther were people for more on th fence but now there really i huge amount of people in thi country who for whom abortio is the issue i think that this running to the right to trum is preposterous. i think it doesn't matter. i think very likely trump will be the nominee he had a huge fund raising win after getting indicted these people are living in a republican party 2004. it doesn't matter what the brought on it's the cult of trump and goo like trying to dislodge him. ultimately, i think nikki hale and all these people should tr to keep their powder dry for i the republican party ever goes back to saturday which had me never and i think that the idea here that is somehow one issue is going to help any of these people out trump trump's

completely bonkers >> marina, what do you make of that i think obviously we saw thi week florida governor desantis he's doing damage contro already. he's calling up republican lawmakers from florida as ou nbc news reported. trying to prevent them fro jumping ship in endorsin trump. are we overthinking this is this simply a case of trump's nomination to be had and everyone else trying t diluting himself or herself. >> it's also one of thes moments for how big is trump a factor right now yes, he's looming so large tha it's inevitable that we have t have these conversations but how you square up against from but that is what we see a crop of candidates wondering about. -- governor asa hutchinson. these people are trying to figure that entryway what i would say is that he,

it's not an issue that helps put out trump. trump's fundraising juggernaut for the republican party until he is not that, they can't quit him it's this perfect form of thre issues that i believe that the governor stances counting on economy, education, crime. he went to illinois weeks ag and had a great reception for law enforcement communit there. he went all the way up t california to see how he playe out there. everywhere he goes, there is this feeling that he, add trum -- where he could be that nex natural step you -- up in the power centers across the corridor they're foaming at the mouth excited about desantis they want to put their money t somebody that is just less - sorry, excuse, me more normal. less chaotic than trump. it's gonna be that much toughe than trump policy wise no, i'm gonna go ahead and say it does he have a better chance o winning over republican wome

and the after trumpers yes, i think he does that's desantis i'm talkin about. >> molly - stay with me we want to talk about th pressure that's on the democratic senator diane feinstein after the break. (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow.

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california senator diane feinstein to either -- or resign entirely from th upper chamber. the 89-year-old democrat has not voted in the senate sinc february 16th. she remains in california sh deals with shingles. due to her absences, she has missed 58 straight senat votes. many of them concerning th confirmation of federal judges now multiple lawmakers in he own party are saying that sh should step down if she cannot fulfill her duties amid those calls, finds and as a senate majority leader chuck schumer to find a substitute

for her on the key judiciary committee. congressman -- one of the democrats who has colin on financial resigned. he doubled down yesterday -- on the saturday show which o some key part. >> we in a crisis in thi country, a crisis of an assaul on voting rights and women's rights we have a rogue judge, a singl judge who is taking away the abortion pill for women. you have an appellate cour that is saying you can't mai that pill to women the single biggest state - with the republican house is confirm judges senator urban has said tha we're not being able to confir judges every day that goes by, becaus senator feinstein is unable to be there i just think for the good of the country, for confirmin these judges let's have someone who can vote >> back with me now, - special corresponded for vanit fair, host of the podcast fast

politics marina shower, publica strategies and a former senior aide on capitol hill molly, you heard - as we've said, feinstein senator feinstein has missed 5 straight votes since a very. she doesn't have a timeline to return it is topping her committe from doing their job o conducting those votes for confirmation should feinstein heed his call and simply resign so that gavi newsom can make a replacement? >> i think people are gonna ge mad emmy for this bu absolutely your a public servant, your jo is to serve the public this is not about feminism this is not about ageism and this is about a job. you have a job to serve th public she's about to retire. she's 89 years old it is very painful and uncomfortable and a lot of politicians don't want to sa something because they don't want to anger thei constituents honestly, this is about public service we elected this woman. the voters of california

elected a senator. it's very terrible at that she's sick it's very sad but this is what today's again, this whole idea of th democrats are the good guys an so they shouldn't do what' necessary is how we got into this messed in the first place roe was overturned women lost bodily autonomy after 50 years now we're arguing about if a woman who has -- who is quite infirm at best an has no plans to return shoul have the grace of just not appointing judges. i think this is really a mistake. i don't think this should be a question i think if kevin newsom care about women's reproductive health, he should put someon in a job tomorrow. >> she asked to resign first i get your point the united states senate and house representatives. they're old. this is the undercurrent of th

story. were represented by ol lawmakers. as of this, your average usually senate is 63.9 years in the house, it's 57.5 years. you can look at this one int a. it's one, it's a real problem. the other one is these peopl provide wisdom, and they kno issues better, they know how the system works better. where do you come down on this should - also, i guess, the rea question is, why do you thin voters seem to be fine and comfortable reelecting peopl of a certain age back into office >> i want to pick up on your last question there and jess voters are not fine doing that that's what the system has lai out. -- >> but they keep getting reelected. they keep worrying themselve out for election and they keep getting elected. >> but because there is th power of the incumbents he our system is right that way that if you are somebody who's younger, you have less of shot because of citizens unite you're gonna have big mone backing these big incumbents and make it so hard for them t

leave. look, i'm gonna be very fran here as a republican operative in the past, i travel the country and had the great privilege of hearing from younger conservatives who ar frustrated they wanted -- tournaments, an overturned o citizens united. they wanted to see and - you can do these things of i seems like the older crop of folks just don't want change i'm not trying to be ageis here i'm trying to say we're not -- we need to find a balance that we don't penalize experience here that is the question at th moment the question of the day is always how do we have thes people that have this grea experience to try to solve our problems i'm somebody that sees congressman places she goes no to partner or to say i want to solve some problems and then you get the heck out of their. it's not a lifetime job but we have too many people who see i that way i've been working for a number of years to try to get mor women elected to we don't have enough women i both chambers. 4% of what america looks like. we make up over half the population and we ar underrepresented at all levels of u.s. government still here in the year 2023.

age, gender, these are these layers i think feinstein has got to go she has a fantastic legacy but to bali's point there, you have one job to do if you can show up for two months almost, you gotta go. the rest of us in the privat sector would be asked to go. we'd be having our bosses -- our boxes handed to. us it's time for congress to have a change. i am too frustrated with how nothing seems to get don because we don't have enough millennials or urgency i congress >> all right, we'll leave it there. our molly -- thank you both very much appreciate it. another hour of velshi begin in a few moments as though a news conference in dayvill alabama where officials will give an update on the shooting that took place overnight. we will be right back.

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i am sam stein, in four al velshi this. morning we are following breaking news out of alabama police say at least four peopl are dead and 20 more injured following the shooting in th city of dayville's downtow area it is a small town in centra alabama with a population of about 3000 people. there was no initial confirmation about what led to the shooting officials have not yet sai whether a suspect is i custody. we are hoping to get mor information from law enforcement when they hold a news conference in the next fe