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more mass shooting including another one overnight in alabama at a birthday party. new flash points in a fight fo abortion rights, and mor disturbing revelations about supreme court justice clarence thomas we will dive into those issues during our exclusive interview with senator bernie sanders, coming up first. plus the daily shows jorda klepper knows a thing or two about nra convictions, and mag republicans. i will get his thoughts on the culture of guns, and the peopl who still support donald trump and i spent the day with congressman jamal bowman at th school he founded in new york. spoiler alert, he does not think teachers should carr firearms >> it feels a lot like the new cycle is spinning really quickly. we should not lose sight of th fact that each major story thi week could have a direct impac on both our country, and our lives. and on our health, the court system continues to battle ove
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access to a key abortion pill. and in the shadow of that fight, florida governor ron desanti quietly signed a six-wee abortion ban into law, at 11 p at night on our states feet, talk for the borough publican nomination, priest are loyal to the nra an then a series of mass shooting across the united states including one just last night. on the national security sid of our country, a 21-year-ol air national guardsmen was arrested after leaking classified intelligence on bot our adversaries, and our allies and honor institutions, justic clarence thomas failed t disclose a real estate dea with a gop megadonor i can think of a few peopl better to discuss all of thi was, then senator bernie sanders, who joins me now. he is the author of the ne book, it is okay to be angry about capitalism i don't how you found the time to write a book amidst everything going on, tha touches on so many issue impacting all of us? we are going to get to that in a moment, but i just wanted to start with a few items in th news this week
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there were new revelations senator, this week about supreme court justice clarence thomas and his financial relationship with billionair harlan crow. and just this morning, there i even new reporting about som inaccuracy's on his financia disclosure forms your colleague senator sheldon is calling on the department justice to investigate clarenc thomas for potential ethic violations do you back senator whitehouse is cole? >> i think senator whitehous is on the white track. the supreme court does not hav to go along with the same type of ethics rules that members o congress and other judges to and it is time we ended that leniency for the supreme court some of what we are readin about in terms of judg squamous is really quite outrageous, and i think it needs to be investigated >> by the department of justice? >> yes, right. >> and a number of colleague of yours in the house, and i
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the senate to, have said you should be impeached. do you think that of wrongdoin is sound, you should b impeached? >> well i think the first thin you learned before you impeach somebody is investigate th situation, and i think that is what the department of justice should be doing. >> someone who has spent a lot of time, really through he career, working on issue related to the judiciary i senator diane feinstein one of your longtime colleagues representative or conical fo who resigned because her medical absence is keeping democrats from confirmin judges, no doubt a big priorit for all of you so you think she should resign >> well i have not talked to senator feinstein in several weeks, my hope is that she wil be back as soon as possible. the decision about whether someone should resign rests on that individual, i don't think she should be forced out, think she should take into consideration her health situation, and when she's goin to be back >> you're the chairman of th senate health committee, there's a lot going on wit that committee right now, whic
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has oversight over the fta right now, approval for th abortion pill could be revoked it is really hanging in th balance. should courts have the ability to rule to take a drug awa from millions of people, lik this, but also others >> look, this is continuation of a fundamenta attack on women's rights, it i beyond comprehension that in the year 2023 you have peopl who think that it should not b women who control their ow bodies, but government and this is just another example of that, and we have got to fight as hard as we can to make sure that women are th people who determine their lives, and not somebody, som right wing politician. >> he wrote in an op-ed back i october, senator sanders, last year, that democrats shoul focus, should not focus on onl abortion in the midterms that's a mistake it proved to be quite a winnin issue, in fact, the level of backlash really even surpris me, and i've been at thi awhile to. did you underestimate the powe
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of this issue, and the power i hadn't motivating? voters >> know jim, what i sai is that abortion should be front and center the right of women to contro their own lives of the fundamental issue, but i cannot be the only issue, an if you recall during a 202 campaign, at the end of th campaign, people started talking about workers rights people started talking about social security, and preservin that i care, and health care so no, i don't think i was wrong. the bottom line is, of cours we have to continue the figh for women's rights and abortio rights, but you cannot ignor the reality that 60% of th workers in this country ar living paycheck to paycheck, w have massive income and wealth inequality, people canno afford childcare, they canno afford health care, and they are struggling you cannot ignore those. issues >> all of them ar important is what you were saying, we need to focus on al of them. we just got new details, senator, about another mas shooting this one overnight in alabama, at a teenager's birthday party
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a lot of details are still coming out you yourself, i think yo talked about this a fair amount, have been a vote on the issues of guns. you voted against a bill i 1993 that establish national background checks, and for a bill in 2005 that protected gu companies from lawsuits, you have been very pro-gun safet and all of the measures in recent years as gun reform advocates ar looking to try to move peopl to actually do something, what can they learn, from you, abou your own evolution on this issue? >> let's be clear jen. let us be clear, 1988, when ran for crawling is the firs time, i supported a ban on assault weapons, all right and a comparable state, a lo of people hunt here, to target patrice, et cetera where we are right now, th world has seen horrific louis, unspeakably, in the last 2 plus years, are these terrible terrible mass shootings an schools, and elsewhere and a very good news is that ordinary americans, in large numbers understand that we nee
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at least common sense gu safety legislation that means people who should not own guns for a variety o reasons, based on thei background, must not have them we need universal background checks, in my view, for th last 20 plus years i think that when you ar looking these automatic weapon that are designed to kil people rapidly, these ar military weapons, these are no weapons that should be in ou civilian, civil society. >> president, former president trump has appealed to workin class voters, as have you over the course of your career quit a bit. and in a recent scene -- >> i don't appeal to working class voters, i appear t voters in general. >> you certainly do. you certainly do, senator have a point or let me get t it, in a recent scene and pull 50% of republicans without a four year college rese nominating trump again would give the party's best chance o winning and 2024 and you have warned about no focusing on issues that ar important to a range of workers,
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range of americans in th working class. are democrats underestimated trump is that something you ar concerned about, as you ar watching >> of course they ar underestimating trump. but the issue that we should ask ourselves how does i happen, when you have pathological liar, who is billionaire who couldn't car less about working class peopl and it was so much work left support? and the reason is that, fo that, is that for too many years the democratic leadershi has turned its back on working people so you have today, a minimum wage remains $7.25 an hour does that make sense we are the only major countr on earth that does not guarantee health to all people as human right, 50 miles awa for the canadian border, the spent one half as much as we d per capital and guaranteed health care for all people we pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs, we have corporations wh are making it harder for workers to join unions, we hav a childcare system which is total disaster do you think we are paying attention to the needs of th working class in this country?
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billionaires are doing phenomenally well, it is tim we stood up, for working people, and four for a government, and a society that work for all of us and when you do that, i thin people will see, the fraudulen nature of somebody like donald trump. >> president biden said this week beach plans to run fo reelection, but he has not yet prepared to announce you have said you're going t support president biden, but are there places, and maybe yo touched on some of them just now, where you have been frustrated that hi administration has not gone fa enough at this point >> of course i have. look, you tell me what the american people, decide why in some cases we are paying ten times more for prescriptio drugs as people of other nations? why? and that has to do with th power of the pharmaceutica industry, the fact that they have 1700 paid lobbyists i washington d.c.. has the president been stron enough and telling the dru company sorry, stopped ripping off the american people by wagering record-breaking
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profits? no he has not. we need to raise the minimum rage in my view to at least $1 an hour, so the working people low income people get a fair share. have we heard enough about that? no we have not as i mentioned earlier, to mak sure that not only do protec social security from the cuts, we have to expand it half of the elderly people i this country have nothing in the bank as they fac retirement, i have not heard the president talking abou that as much as he should. bottom line, this is what th book was about, that you mentioned earlier, we ar moving towards an all-woul dorky form of society, and i know that that is no comfortable for people to hear but it is important we discuss this issue we have more income and wealth inequality today than we hav ever had, we have more concentration of ownership tha we have ever had, we have corrupt political system which allows billionaires throug super pacs two by-elections, those are some of the issues w need to discuss on corporate
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media, we need to discuss in the united states congress >> the title of your book, i is okay to be angry abou capitalism really did sit with me it is a memorable title, senator. of all the things voters are angry about, and there are many, abortion, the lack of progress on gun reform, even clarence thomas's professiona relationship with billionaire. i know how you feel abou billionaires why shouldn't capitalism be at the top of this list why was that important to be i the title of this book >> jen, what is important. abortion is a huge issue social justice is a huge issue but you know, sometimes th corporate media forgets abou it in congress you are chatting today, do you know that there are tens, an tens of millions of american who cannot afford health care? who are scared to death if the kid, or the parent gets sick they don't know what's gonna happen there are people working for starvation wages, there ar moms who can't afford to sen their kids to decent childcare
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cannot even find a slot. those are issues of enormous consequence, we don't talk about. you tell me, you've got thre people on top today who ar more wealth in the bottom half of american society. is that an issue we should b talking about? does that sound that we have a economy that works for all o us, or just a few? is that an issue we're discussing >> we are talking about it now senator, so happy to have yo on i did want to ask you sir, about president biden' nomination julie su for th labor department secretary >> all right but i want to, tw and a lob julie, i love juli we're gonna do our best to get -- let's talk about income an wealth inequality. let's talk about concentration of ownership, let's talk about corporate ownership of the media. do you think those are issue were discussing? >> well senator to have you on today, we're having conversation about all of thes issues i did want to ask you abou this, because you are chair of this committee, it is importan to labor secretary in place right there is a courting that suggests the holdouts ar
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senator manchin, and senator sinema first of all, is that true, an second, what are you saying to get them on board? what is the case you're making for? >> well look, we have manchi and sinema who talk build back america, you are slightl familiar with that issue i think? having worked for presiden biden, it was a monumental piece of legislation which i thought was transformative if you corporate democrats who refuse to support that ver important broad initiative that we all work very very har on once again, i think what you have isn't issues which side are you one? and for manchin, or sinema, or anyone else is going to have t decide julie su is now being in big ads all over the country, coul she stands up for workin people she believes in apprenticeship programs, she believes and raising the minimum wage, she' opposed vigorously to th exploitation of children she is a very strong candidate somebody i want to see becom our secretary league
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we will see how members of the democratic caucus vote on it, think we're going to hav unanimous support on the committee, but as you indicate it comes down to some of our corporate democrats in the senate >> senator bernie sanders, thank you for joining me thi morning, be sure to check at the senator's new book, it's okay to be angry about capitalism next, why the case against a air national guardsmen hav some pretty striking parallels to another investigation one involving a person we ar all a lot more familiar with plus, you may recognize hi from the daily show, but he is really known for adjourning to the depths of the maga universe jordan klepper will be here to talk all of the two differen realities the country seems to be living in and later, congressman jamal bowman's weekend routine, we get into a spots about tiktok, and why he does that to leav his job as a middle school principal to run for congress. we are back, after this. (dog barking) we love our pets. but we don't always love their hair.
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in large part about the war in ukraine. was it of foreign actor, someone trying to influence th outcome of the war, or was it whistleblower with an agenda we didn't know it turns out it wasn't a sel styled whistleblower or foreign spy, at least no according to the reporting w have so far. it was a 21 year old i.t worker with the air national guard who was trying to impres some friends he met on the internet jack teixeira, who was arreste by the fbi on thursday, shared dozens of classified documents on a small private group chat, literally named thug shake
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central, can't make it u sometimes. a form of mostly young men and in their teens who had bonde over video games, guns and racist means,. of course, it was only a matte of time before those materials were disseminated more widel on twitter that's what happened as a former government official, as i was watching all of this, it was pretty striking to se official documents like that strewn across social media platforms. whatever jacked she cher's motive was, a leak like this i bad for the government it is bad for the country. for one, national security leaks can compromise sources and methods, it basically mean that it puts real people a risk or out there in the field and it also makes it harder to recruit new sources who we can get information from second, it is never good whe our adversaries know what we have and know what we know and third, it could hurt our alliances. it could make it harder for ou intelligence partners to trust us, we share a lot o information with
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so needless to say, it is a ba look for the country tha classified information could b shared by a 21-year-old kid wh simply wanted to show off. but you know what else is abou look when a 76 ruled former president is suspected of doin something pretty similar this week, the new york time revealed that the specia counsel in the mar-a-lag documents case is investigatin quote, whether former presiden trump showed off to aids and visitors a map he took with hi when he left office that contained sensitiv intelligence information we, don't know what that map is of but still, it follows simila reporting from the washingto post that investigators ar scrutinizing whether trump shared classified document with political donors. with political donors! maybe to show off to them to and it comes after the pos also revealed that the fbi found highly classified nuclea secrets pertaining to a foreig nation at mar-a-lago so, who knows what exactly o how much information he migh have shared, or with whom? we don't know that yet there is clearly a lot we don'
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every spring, the nr convention seems to coincide with a mass shooting this year it took place in the days after a mass shooting i kentucky and weeks after one i tennessee. let's not to mention another i alabama just last night that
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took the lives of four peopl or break the party but one thing is different this year's nra meetin certainly isn't drawing th crowd it used to, as political points out, the nra has been quote, pummeled by lawsuits an scandal in recent years. in 2019 the annual gathering took place in the belly of the cavernous lucas oil stadium. but this year it was just in a ballroom at the indian convention center and quote, teared ticket prices wer dropped for free admission t fill out the room. that is what you do when you need more people but that has not dampene interest of leading republican candidates the nra's list of speakers included former vice president mike pence and former presiden trump, but of all the speakers there is one thing south dakot governor kristi noem said abou her granddaughter that stuck out to me. >> little miss adi, who is onl most two n branch, was just few months old, they hav brought us so much joy they brought us purpose.
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now adi, who soon will nee them, i want to reassure you she already has a shotgun an she already has a rightful and she has got a little pon and sparkles to so she set up. >> not yet to, bernie has shotgun and rifle. guns have become a part of our culture, including, as you jus heard there, with young kids which is especially grim whe you remember firearms at the leading cause of death for kid in the united states the celebration of weapons in country where gun violence i far too prevalent is something i really struggle to wrap my head around. my next guest to somebody wh has spent years in the trenche with the staunchest supporters of the second amendment, jorda klepper was the, from the dail show has made appearances at political rallies, and henry conventions and most recentl the rally outside th arraignment of former presiden trump. jordan clifford joins me now thank you jordan, for taking some time this morning as yo are preparing to host the dail show this week so, we are sitting here toda --
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thank you for being here and we are sitting here toda following updates on yet another mass shooting in alabama just last night at a birthday party and these shootings ar happening more frequentl around the country you have attended numerous gunshots in your time, including one of the biggest i the country recently for the staunchest nra reporters, guns have become symbol of their cultural identity, feels like explain to us what you think i going on here. >> well i, do you think, it' just recently a couple weeks ago at the world's largest gun show in tulsa. and what you take in there i sort of the practical lifestyl being sold to the american public so of course you have your hunters and your hobbyists but when you walk inside you are being sold this fear, this aggression, this victimization asking you to take an offensiv stance with your weaponry an then you look at what is happening at the nra convention, and you see those things echoed there's no surprise that these nra moves are being echoed i the maga movement. , they are speaking to the sam crowds and they are fillin
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them with fear, victimizatio and this idea that liberty i being taken from you and tha is sort of a deadly cocktail which allows all these folks t be afraid, at the end of that, they solve guns. >> and if you just noted, yo have travel around the country asking trump supporters, and member of the gop about thei beliefs. these are amazing, if people have not seen them what is the one thing people who despise trump, i was there are many in the country. what should they understan about the people who still support him? because you talk to one of these people at these rallies. >> you know, something, i thin where things become difficult, people often asked me, can people change? can trump supporters chang their mind can you ever win an argument with a trump supporter you can convince somebody to change ideas, you can have discussions over what people want, you can't have discussions over who peopl are. and what trump has done is h has made the maga hat a symbol of who he is and who they are.
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so you put that thing on you don't believe in those ideas you believe this represent you. i was talking with a gun right advocate ryan bussey recently, he equated the maga hat with the ar-15, so you look at this gun culture we are apart of, and you how do you lower these casualties you bring up something lik assault weapons and what they've trickled done, the made the ar-15 the new maga hat, so you can't debate that something a child should have, because now it is become a point of pride, and a point of identity that to me is something that i really hard to change. >> let's take a look at some o your interviews from the day former president trump was arraigned in new york city we'll talk about on the othe side >> i don't believe what you're seeing is justice. >> you know believe the gradua process? >> i don't believe if this was a civilian, it would - >> i mean he's a civilian, he' a person he has an address, so we shoul not go to the granary process? >> i believe it should b dismissed. >> because
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>> because, going by a general got. feeling >> the way i see it, the government is stepping ove their bounce what they're doing here, indicting donald trump this stuff happens all the time >> what stuff, paying of a por star, and senators >> it's a lot of money, for on thing. >> and out of all the cases up against donald trump, this i probably the weakest one >> probably the weakest one. >> so when i watch that, and i hear jaw-dropping comments lik that, which by the way tha many, many videos that are similar. you seem to think very quickly on your feet but how do you prepare to kind of, dive into those trum rallies, or events where there's going to be a lot of trump supporters >> well there is a dozen i hav to get into,first and foremost to be prepared to. >> i bet >> all sorts of new creative ideas. medication helps, intoxication does not hurt. >> do you anticipate we ar going to ask them?
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>> yeah, we almost call it debate prep. i go out there was certain assumptions, i read the news sources, a lot of the folks at these rallies are ingesting. i check out newsmax, oan, i go on the random boards i understand these arguments we debate prep, we talk about' argument we, talk about all of the questions we have, look at ontological fallacies, and w go to engage more often than not, the peopl that you talk to have not have to go beyond that first go reaction to follow up with tha second question. that is where we find the humor, and or the anthropological interest >> it turns out the follow a maybe we'll get people sometimes, you have also done lot of work diving into some o the wildest maga conspirac theories which there are many. what has been a wild thing eve covered, or something it's really stuck out to you? >> i am shocked at how often jfk junior is invoked, as no only somebody who is still alive, but who is no republican, and potentially in the oval office.
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i think a thing that reall scares me though, is so many folks in the maga movement are unable to let go of the idea that donald trump isn't stil in power and not that he won th election, that seems to be commonplace right now, you believe that he won th election it is more so the number o people that truly believe that he still has power, he is stil making decisions, i think that goes to how much we want t believe these conspiracies are true, to the point that we can't even relinquish the idea that donald trump does not pul the strings anymore. and that is the magic trick he has pulled, somebody who is so afraid of loss, and admittin any kind of defeat, that eve his supporters can't admit tha he does not have that powe currently. >> so erasing the daily show this upcoming week, i know you've been spending some time out in the field, there is a lot to talk about i think it's fair to say. what is the topic you are most excited to delve into that w can all expect as viewers? >> well, i want to delve int what's happening right now
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i was at this tulsa gun show and we are going to look at wh america as a success with th ar-15. i was with a ocee as the other day talking about a violence prevention program in new york city, and i spent some tim with governor whitmer, the governor of michigan, my hom state, and we talked about the gun control legislation sh passed, we talked about ho abortion is an issue that sh was able to run on, and th future of michigan politics, and national politics. so, we'll take them as the day we're gonna find some humor in it, but i have a lot of smart, interesting people that i' done about some of those ideas off of >> looking forward to it jordan klepper, thank you fo joining me this morning, b sure to catch jordan hosting the daily show starting th morrow through thursday. you can watch on comedy central, and paramount plus next, my thoughts on why a personal connection to pretentious topics may be real catalyst for change and later, congressman jamal bowman takes me to the middl school he founded in the bronx as a part of his weekend routine. much more of inside with jen psaki, after the break
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i'm really with a quick news update, we just got an updat one official in alabama on the deadly shooting saturday, at a birthday party the death toll stands at four, 28 were hurt police are asking for th public health information abou that shooting. and georgia officials contai massive fire in a plastic resi plant, fire prompted evacuatio south of savannah. no injuries reported there more inside with j pimsaki right after this break right after this break (cecily) wow! (seth) and i got to choose the phone i wanted. for free. (cecily) not that you're bragging. (vo) switch and choose the phone you want, like the incredible iphone 14, on us. (cecily) on the network worth bragging about. (vo) verizon i told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn't ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker
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after monday's shooting at a bank in louisville that left five did >> tommy elliott help me build my life career he helped me become governor gave me advice on being a good dad. he is one of the people talked to most in the world, and very rarely, but we were talking about my job he was an incredible friend. >> it was the same story jus two weeks earlier in nashville tennessee's first lady personally knew one of the six victims in the covenant school shooting it is becoming personal fo people in power. this unfortunately isn't surprising, given 21% of all adults say they've bee personally threatened with a gun, and nearly 17% have sai they witnessed someone being shot but keep in mind, when thing reached a tipping point in our country, it is often because it's personal. because the current laws, th status quo is so out of whac
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with what people are demanding and all the issues are vastl different, this reminds me o what happened when it came t changing minds in the countr on same sex marriage back in 2004, the issue of same-sex marriage was so politically divisive that th bush campaign pushed for ballo and initiatives in 11 states t help turnout conservativ voters and it worked, i know because wasn't a losing campaign the issue was still fraugh enough eight years later tha even a democratic president, barack obama, did not publicly support it that is why it was such an explosive moment, at least inside the white house when was working at the time, whe then vice president joe bide made these unplanned comment on meet the press in may o 2012 >> as more, and more americans come to understand what this i all about as a simpl proposition, who do you love who do you love? and will you build loyal to th person you love? and that is what people ar
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finding out, is what all marriages at their route are about, whether they ar marriages of lesbians, of ga men, heterosexuals >> is that what you believe now? >> that is what i believe. >> you know what moved him in large part, his kids, and his grandkids. fast forward to now, it is not just that 71% of americans support legal same sex marriage, 13 nine house republicans, and 12 senate republicans voted to codify game marriage into la in the end of last year. so, why did public opinion, an the opinions of selected officials move in part, because people felt impacted personally. they had a son, daughter, neighbor, a friend who came ou as gay the scallop olympia thousand o shows peoples who are affected by knowing someone who was a part of the lgbtq+ community and that same poll said quote, opposition to gay marriage i higher among those who do no know someone who is gay or lesbian.
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because progress... is a matter of character. >> there's no question democratic congressman jamal bowman has been make himself currently. he clashed with republican congressman thomas massie of a gun violence attack at the house chamber we all remembe that he confronted congressma
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marjorie taylor greene outside the manhattan courthouse where donald trump was rained. but beyond those headlines i want to know more about what really drives this forme principal turned lawmaker. so i caught up with him at the middle school he founded cornerstone academy for social action in the bronx. >> congressman thanks so much for having me it's a group to be here. now is it while being back her on school? >> it's awesome. i come here every now and then just recharge my batteries >> that's good >> i love the little - what would you, motivated yo to leave the school that you had founded and run fo congress >> you know, i just heard to see a pattern of kid struggling with so many things that were beyond control of th school, so kids struggling wit
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being unhoused, kids havin family members who were -- >> kids who are the students >> students, yes kids who have family members who are criminal justice untangled, kids who we saw dramatic rise in self harm and suicidal ideation and kids like the year before i decided to run i just saw kids everywhere being hurt or killed or hurtin themselves and elected officials were not talking about it at all. so i made the interestin decision to run for the hous of representatives >> another issue you have been very unspoken on you have been very outspoken o a number of issues, i thin it's fair to say, but gu violence and especially in the last few weeks after the school shootin in tennessee, three lives of young children, thre additional lives were taken. you've got into a bit of a bac and forth with congressman massie over gun violence and h
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tried to argue that teachers should be armed. you are not having any of that i think it is fair to say. but why is arming teachers not the right idea as someone who has been in the school feels crazy to me to ask thi question but it is true, thi is something a lot of people are proposing, advocating for, or getting more guns into th hands of teachers so that they can defend themselves. >> yeah, so, and i asked representative massie has he ever been in a school, has h ever learned worked in a school and he fell silent because h has never worked in a school where do i begin so, teachers have to pla curriculum, or vice curriculum plan lessons, implement lessons, greed tests, meet with parents engage with community, provide emotional support to kids an of ten other things that i'm forgetting, and oh yeah, let's put a gun on their hip so they can go to training to learn ho to use this gun and prepare fo the possibility of a mas shooting in a school
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that is the kind of society we want to live in? i don't think so >> on tiktok, you have bee outspoken against a ban. is there anything you coul learn about what the chinese have access to, what they're doing with it, that woul prompt you to support a ban? >> yeah. i haven't seen any evidence of chinese espionage or - >> the intel or anything >> there hasn't been a top secret congressional briefin on what china is doing wit tiktok we have never had that the same time, facebook in realtime ignored russian interference in ou 2016 elections that happened. that's a fact. that is. documented but we had no conversation about banning facebook so we just need to be honest about what is happening. -- in my opinion, tiktok is just better product periods and -- >> then facebook >> and facebook, then instagram,
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than twitter it is a better product >> to reach people, to connect with people? >> reach people, to connec with people, i get must much less he and vitriol on tiktok. it is more enjoyable to engage with, it is more educational and it feels to me like it i just a better product. >> i know there are some place in the school that have specia meaning to your. should we go check one out >> the whole school. but we can go to a coupl places for sure. >> they did not have anythin like this in my middle schoo or high school this is a few years ago bu still. are you musically talented o inclined >> i have some bars, i hav some wraps every now and the but i won't see that right now >> fair. we will save that. you will - >> for sure. >> this is great i know you have a fever bakery i think we will maybe check it out. >> yes absolutely martins. we will get a little snack >> all right
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>> okay, what do you typically order here >> so, and almond croissant, warmed up please if you don' mind >> a warm moment plus all. warm, very important, has to b warm and a coffee you know, that's fine with me. >> so, it'll lifelong ne yorker, a proud new yorker now that i spent the day wit you, you love new york >> writer die. new york is an incredible plac as a state, i am from new york city so obviously i have a bia towards new york city. it is just so many people, s many cultures, so many different backgrounds. >> now, someone you have heard of, marjorie taylor greene, yo had a little bit of a smal altercation with her, verbal altercation with her so tell me what was goin through your head when you tol her to go back home. when she was here. >> first of all, i was angry that she would even come because she has been coming fo -- to help with her fundraising -
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>> it was the day of the trump arraignment. >> it was the day of the trump arraignment. for her, it is about going viral, it is about fundraising and i've heard she wants to be the vp nominee >> it has been a hard couple o years for the. country but what gives you hop as a member of congress? >> when i visit schools an talk to kids and young people, they are all, they all get i intuitively. they have great common sense they see the problems and they don't understand why we can' work together to solve it. so i'm always inspired by youn people >> congressman bowman, thank you for spending time with m today. >> absolutely. thank you. >> thank you to congressma jamal bowman for spending some time with me this week at hi school and at a bakery next, an exciting announcement about two big gusts we wil have on our show next sunday - representative! - sorry, i didn't get that. - oh buddy! you need a hug. you also need consumer cellular. get the exact same coverage as the nation's leading carriers
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show in the works for next sunday i will be sitting down with tw people who have not exactl been shy about the need to d more to address the climat crisis congressman alexandr ocasio-cortez, i'll be sitting down with her for an exclusive interview, and we will also ge a look at your special presidential envoy john kerry' weekend routine. but before we go for today, want to give a special shout out to our executive produce alex luka and his new wife jen
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i can't even emphasize enoug that this was a team effor putting on the show, and any show i get to work with an amazin group of producers every singl week alex has been a central part o everything we have done to date, to launch the show, and ever show that we have done and for that, we also a specia thanks to his new wife jim they got married last night, and we could not be more thrilled for both of them as they begin the rest of their lives together that does it for me today, b sure to follow show and twitter, tiktok, and instagram. we will be back here nex sunday at noon eastern, bu stay right where you are because there is much more msnbc content coming up righ after a quick break. >> tonight on the i.t. hassa show, fox's fate is now up to jury the dominion

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