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goes to trial in just over 1 hours. plus, even more allegations of wrongdoing have emerging and supreme court justice clarence thomas but what are democrats gonna d about it and the gop's dog and pony sho comes to manhattan jim jordan desperate attempt t attack the man holding donal trump to account good evening i'm mehdi hassan. tomorrow morning in a court in wilmington, delaware, fox will finally be put on trial for it lies the media giant is facing landmark defamation case fro dominion voting systems, who allege that fox knowingl pushed false claims that they're voting machines rig th 2020 election. they didn't. in the days and weeks afte that election, fox and its hos devoted hours of primetime t coverage to the voting machine company. >> dominion voting systems ink

>> dominion voting systems >> dominion voting systems >> dominion voting systems >> dominion voting systems >> dominion voting systems >> dominion. >> dominion voting systems >> division voting systems >> now, over two years later fox tears like tucker carlson, sean hannity, and even found a rupert murdaugh may find themselves on the witnes stand. and the stakes here could no be higher. dominion is seeking 1.6 billio dollars in damages, which coul pose an existential threat t the company. fox, for their part, dismissed the minions allegation and statements, fox says the network in hosts were merely reporting on the extraordinary claims of election fraud b then president donald trump, and his acolyte's, and tha dominion's cases and tack on the first amendment. in their legal filings, th right-wing network is boring defunct, originally pioneere by none other than illiberal new york times in fact, fox's defense request entirely on one specific decision from the suprem court.

new york times, versus sullivan you see, back in 1960, the times printed this full page a taken of a civil rights leader who are trying to raise mone for the civil rights movement. the ad describe what it called unprecedented wave of terror, police violence agains peaceful demonstrators i montgomery, alabama. what it described was mostly accurate, but some of th charges, some of the accusations turned out not t be true. for example, the ads that th police quote, ringed a college campus where protesters were this claim was later found t be exaggerated back in alabama, montgomery, police commissioner lb elements all that ad and sue the time, alleging libel, an he was remained in the ad. he said he is the officers had been defamed the case made its way from alabama all the way to the supreme court, or the justices came down with a highl consequential decision in a unanimous ruling, the court ruled in favor of the ne york times, establishing tha in order to prove libel in public figure must show th person, or entity to make th

statement was not only made false statement, but that th person, or entity acted with actual malice. meeting, and a quote, that the statement was made wit knowledge of its falsity o with reckless disregard of whether it was true or false which brings us back to fox. the judge in that case has already ruled that honor statements by the networks mos of, about dominion's votin machines were in fact false. there's no longer an ope question there now it is up to dominion t prove that fox publish those false statements, either knowingly, or with a hig degree of awareness that the were false the standard set in sullivan for that, we need to know what was happening not only o camera, but behind the scenes. and thanks to a trove of unsealed documents contained within the millions lawsuit, w now have a pretty good idea, text messages, emails from those court documents show tha pop star laura ingraham said this text, calling trump lawyers city power, a complete not a claim in, quote no one will work with her deter wit

rudy giuliani. -- he also took shot at giuliani, specifically from this press conference featuring that hair dried drip disaster he quoted, stupid and damaging. and then you have tucker carlson, who had one tex exchange with a fellow fox employee said of trump quote, hate him passionately. in a separate text, carlso even called the ex president a quote, demonic force, and th destroyer, as you do now admittedly, i have personally enjoyed sharing i embarrassing exchanges hypocritical exchanges tha were included in court filings but as brian stelter, th median commentator pointed out vanity tear, come day one of the trial tomorrow, none o those texts will actuall matter that much quote, what will matter of the circumstances around key moments in november december 2020 in the weeks after the election, did fox have actual knowledg it was spreading lies abou dominion did it act with, reckles disregard for the truth? to that point, here are th messages we should be paying attention to again, revealed in those unsealed court documents

for example, shortly after the election, foxy eoc sounds go said this email to an executiv blasting the networks fact checking of trump. she did like the fact checking she called it quote, bad for business murdaugh sent this message t paul ryan, a bull member of th former house speaker, about on of the networks primetime stars, sean hannity the fox ponce says the situation was a quote, wake up call for hannity who he claimed had quote, been privately disgusted by trump for weeks, but was scared to lose viewers and then there's this, earlier this week msnbc alex - obtain exclusivity of giuliani admitting to fox news a millio bucks aroma, that he had n evidence to back up his voting machine conspiracy theories. that conversation took place o november the 8th, 2020 that same day, paltrow interviewed another one of trump's lawyers, sydney powell have a listen. >> sydney, we've talked abou the dominion software. i know that there were votin irregularities tell me about that >> let's put it mildly, th

computer glitches could not, and should not have happened a all. that is where the fraud took place, where they were flippin votes in the computer system or adding votes that did not exist. >> dominion alleges that bartiromo was told there was n there, there, when it came t trump's election lies, specifically dominion. and yet she sat back and did nothing as powell petal thos left to millions but here's the thing, this i not a problem that is just a foxes passed, just last week donald trump was back in the network pushing's same electio lies without any pushback. in fact, with the encouragemen of host tucker, i hate trump carlson. and that is why this trial s important, it is not just an abstract legal case, this goes to the heart of protecting our democracy. we have learned the hard wit election lies that political pressure does not work, shamin doesn't work, and fact shaking sadly doesn't work

now it seems, the only way w can stop the big lie is in court. let's discuss more with nicole hemmer, a political historia who specializes in the media and conservative medium. she is also director of th roger central for the american center and vanderbil university, the conservative revolutionaries who remade american politics in the 1990s also with me, catherine ross a first amendment expert professor of law at george washington university, she i author of the book right to lie? and also with us, angela car son, president to media massiv organization that debunked conservative misinformation on air, and online. thank you all for joining me nicole, is this dominion cas an existential threat to fox to its reputation, such that i is, to his financial botto line, to his undoubted power influence over american? politics >> so probably not to its bottom line. it would be about the same siz judgment as alex jones faced for his own defamation cases and the sandy hook cases, an

that for jones is going to b existential. for fox this represents abou half of three months income, s they will still be around, but it does i think, have some rea world applications for fox not necessarily the judgment itself, but in all those behin the scenes emails and messages and texts that we've bee talking about. it exposes, and gives evidence for something that fox has bee saying for a long time that there was a wall of churc and state between news a opinion, and that clearly is not the case >> angela, even fox watching for years, documenting the laws did you ever think it woul come to this where we are seeing the inne workings of the works, how the host a one things on the air t the viewers another thing to each other in? private >> i think, eventually that is the part that i find remarkable about this entire thing. everything we are seeing about how they conduct themselve dominion, on think is the thin

that everyone needs to let see better every single interaction the had, all these emails, all these communications, th intentional populations, non of it seemed abnormal. not a single response said, wo that's a different thing that is new for me, i don' know how to react when the bos tells me lyra stop fact-checking things that is a significant part t your question, it demonstrates that this is the norm for them so what we get here is a keyhole view about how fox operates on a daily basis, w are just getting in on one topic. so this was inevitable, this i the saving and happen when the phone hacking scandal, once yo sort of pierce that veil, yo see that fox news is running t the core because, really the organized around getting money but also power and if the ends justify th means, you know once you get under the hood is going to b pretty dirty >> it looks pretty dirty for more upsetting, but i'm no lawyer catherine, you are a lawyer yo are a law professor, fox at th first minute protects them i the sullivan ruling protects them does it in this case defamation cases are

notoriously hard to prove an when >> first, mehdi, i have to thank you notice for having me on but for your excellen introduction that was the perfect summary o sullivan, and why it is so important. so, in my view, if this case does not satisfy the sulliva standard of actual malice, i other words, knowledge that th statement is false, or reckles disregard for the truth, and ignoring what would call i reasonable people to pause and find out no case will ever meet the sullivan standard, so if we ar passed a means of pursuing defamation against new organizations, if we conside fox a news organization, and this case doesn't mean that we have nothing left in defamatio of a public figures, and matters of public interest this is an extraordinary case, we could not barely imagined

facts like this, including those behind the scene communications, because most people are a lot more carefu about what they say. one risk is, media organizations like fox, if there are any like fox, will become more cautious in th dialogue between reports and the people who need to be more careful. right now we have an extraordinary example, and i think there could not be a stronger case by dominion. >> well i only refer to as fox that tells you whether i think it's a news organization o not. nikole, do fox viewers have an idea what is going on? i mean, they are not being tol about it on the network they watch entrust every night. have a conservative media more broadly? how closely are the newsmax, and oann's paying attention? >> they are not spending a ton of time looking at it. certainly, this has seeped through in the sense that ther are conversations happenin here and there are conservativ radio, conservative odd casts,

but it really is not something that is getting a lot of attention, or a lot of time. the kind of debunking of all o these election lies is not something they are spending lot of time on now oan, and newsmax have thei own things to be concerned about what it comes to dominio suing networks for spreading election falsehoods. but so far it is just no something that is taking up lot of space and conservativ media. >> angela, you posted fastening that on twitte explaining something else goin on the back of this dominion trial, fox's carriage renewal, aka how much money foxwood bee on cable and it is very briefly explain to our viewers why this case could affect those negotiations, why it matters so much to fox' bottom line? >> yashar. part of the reason fox new makes as much money as they do is that they have the highes cable rates, carriage rate among any cable news channel and are actually the mos expensive channel an everyone's basic cable espn's number one. that's because after glenn

beckett fired for losing a loves advertisers, fox news ha this sort of shift in th business model, and they did not want to be a commercial tv channel that was beholden to what was commercially viable what advertisers wanted. so they sort of leverage their audience to call their cable companies all the time, they lied to their audience, they said your cable companies abou take foxes away from you taking us away, they'r censoring us, the part o liberal agenda, you had better call and basically for the last decade, fox news has bee getting their audience t increase everybody in th country's cable rates by artificially inflating the demand for fox news. this has nothing to do wit viewership, it has everythin to do with this sort of energy that - >> and if they lose this trial if they lose this case that' going to affect that relationship surely? >> the negotiations ar happening this month the same time that they're gonna be in court, the cable company was going to have to decide whether or not they wan to get fox news ignorantly mor money, it's gonna be tough sell skating uphill >> catherine last word to you, if you are the dominion lawyer

in court tomorrow, what on text or email, behind th scenes colin forsaken would yo really be focusing on to sho malice to that jury? >> well, i like the fact tha you're asking for one example, because what we have lost sigh of here is that because ther were so many examples, all you have to go for defamation is one time you don't need a pattern so there is such an abundanc of damning statements, it migh be when murillo bart hollo most said to sydney powell, know that there were compute egg illiterates. and then she spun he conspiracy theories, and did not push back. i know is a very far distanc from foxes, per offer defens which the judge has disallowed we were just letting peopl express what they thought, tha is not what happened >> yes

it is a clip we played earlier it would fastening see what it happens in court this week nicole, andrew, i appreciate all of you setting the scene for tomorrow morning for our viewers. thank you so much. coming up, to declare, or no to declare to disclose, or not to disclose? these are questions justic clarence thomas has a histor of struggling with the newest revelation in his own ethical saga, that i coming up after a break, do no go away. with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary spraying flonase daily gives you long-lasting, non-drowsy relief. (psst psst) flonase. all good. staaaaacccceeeyyy! i'm the sizzle in this promposal. and tonight, sparks are gonna fly. kyle? and while romeo over here is trying to look cool, things are about to heat up. uh-oh. darn it, kyle!

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have learned that supreme cour justice clarence thomas has a, taken a much of luxury holiday from a billionaire donor which he did not declare codin through a pro ready fo propublica the, him in his mother's home, effect thomas also didn' declare clearly in violation o the law, and see he has been declaring income for rea

estate from that has not existed since 2006, over int reporting today from the washington post. is it any wonder that there ar now calls for clarence thoma to appear in front of th senate judiciary committee, an even be subpoenaed by them i need be? and yes, there is a preceden for subpoenaing supreme cour justices in 1953, the house on american activities committee subpoenaed associate justice tom clark. so why not thomas? what happened to accountability? joining me now to discuss al of this, is mark stern, senior writer at slate covering court in the law and brittany cunningham, and espy political analyst thank you both for joining me. britney, i want to start wit you on this new reporting from the washington post today. the article notes that thi misstatement is a series o errors, animations thomas ha made on financial disclosure forms. and people make errors when it comes to for voting, they do but at this point does clarenc thomas deserve the benefit o the doubt? he's clearly not being transparent, or honest about his finances, and financia

disclosures overall. >> absolutely not. the point that you make, mehdi as well, this is not a aberration, this is a pattern. this is at least the fifth tim since 2011 that he has bee found to be in ethical violation, potentially i violation of the law and in 2011, he does explain i away that he said he misunderstood the form and sure, that happens, bu these are forums that have bee filled up by people for decade prior, and decades since and not only was he just abl to explain it away, he has bee able to keep his sea irrespective of this pattern if it is this easy to keep scamming the american people during a lifetime appointmen in a seat that has to be confirmed by the full senate, don't understand how we ar supposed to continue to have trust in this iteration of the court, or the institutio itself because this isn't just abou justice thomas's mild -- this is about being able to go this long and engage in this

kind of pattern for so lon without any kind o accountability, or impeachment it is difficult for th american people to express a level of trust in an institution that continues t allow somebody to make terribl policy from the bench, and the to be unethical about it >> or they don't trust the supreme court, that's th problem. trust ratings are falling to record levels, record lows mark, the washington post piec also tells us that almost reac up to $750,000 from this defunct firm, ginger limited partnership, defund the 2006 in comparison in salary this year's $285,000. so where do you think all that extra money is coming from again, is it just to kind of typo, a filing error, or i this, like the house sale, something much bigger potentia violation of the law >> well it is very clear tha justice thomas is raking i money from these particula investments, which makes it al the more concerning that he wa misreporting them on these forms. which to be clear, are the kin of forms that hundreds o

thousands of government worker have to fill out, and that mos people sweat the details on great deal, because they kno there are serious penalties fo doing it wrong, even a minor misstatement can be job ending unless you're a supreme cour justice. but i think what we are seeing here is, again, the fact tha clarence thomas wants to liv the life of a super wealthy la firm partner, or gop activist, or whatever the congress h hangs out with he is on a public servan salary, he has nearly $300, 000, but for him he probably thinks i'm getting dramatically underpaid. so he is trying to find ways t make up that gap sometimes he takes a private jet owned by his friend, aroun the country, sometimes h allows his friend to purpose property and spruce up potentially inflated values. sometimes he has a stake in hi very questionable investment that are bringing him lots o money that he did not disclose properly all of it is extremely concerning for a public servan who is supposed to be so trustworthy, we don't need a

coat of ethics for him >> a public servant who wa supposed to be one of the to nine legal minds in the entire country, but can't followed form, or understand what the ethics rules are, that's funny brittani, the undisclosed sale of the homey partly owned, not as mother carried on living it after his billionaire pa haaland crow bought it it looks a clear violation o the law. we are a democrat saying these days, that no formal president should be above the law, but shouldn't know sitting supreme court justice be above i either shouldn't democrats be going after clarence thomas's need much harder than they are? >> i absolutely believe they should look, there is a necessity o precedent being set here we have to make sure that just like donald trump is not above the law, that no supreme court justice, no matter who confirm them, what president nominated them, they should not be above the law either because if they are, how can w actually trust them to judge the law, and measure the actions, and the lives o americans against th constitution but i look at clarence thoma

as somebody who, in my opinion never should've been on th bench in the first place we should not even be talkin about this investigation because he should've bee impeached when he found ou that ginni thomas, his wife, was working so hard to overtur the election and you know it 20 some od republicans in arizona tried t get them to overturn illegal election, right? in my opinion, he neve should've won the bench in the first place if we are to believe professor anniedale, which i absolutely do. so here is someone who has shown himself to be absolutely on trustworthy, and there's no reason why the democrats, an anybody who values democracy should not be going after him, until this thing is fully over >> last quick word to you mark we are hearing different thing for different people, michae to mask in the new republic of subpoena him, when for the senate judiciary committee friend of the show teen of adela says, special counsel, aoc says impeachment what is the right way to hol thomas clarence accountable? >> so starting with the hearin

a subpoena as a good first step we have to remember that clarence thomas has been 3 years choosing all of th environments in which he speaks, choosing which question he i axed, choosing what audience before him he has been able to massage, and finance his public image s perfectly up until this poin because he is absolute control trying to get him before a skeptical senate panel rip requiring him to answe questions honestly under oath, where he has not approve the questions beforehand, where he does have an obligation to the truth. that would be his firs experience doing that since hi confirmation, and i think will be very healthy first start. articles of impeachment migh come after that, it might be a good way to try and force hi before the committee if he refuses to testify, but this i not something that senat democrats should pass off to the judicial conference, thi fall squarely within the jurisdiction, and they need to act now. >> they also had a fully functioning judiciary committe which they don't have becaus of dan feinstein, but that story from other day we have to talk about somethin else, mark, pretty please stic around, we are going to carr

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back one day to tuesday. it will now start tuesda morning at 9 pm. the cause of the one-day delay is unclear and we will bring you more information on this developing story as we get it. now, we often hear fro republicans how they are all about states rights and ar against big government, except when they aren't house judiciary committee ji jordan is leading -- a community 500 miles away fro his own district to intimidate basically, a local electiv prosecutor what was his prosecutors crime his offense? going after the gop's cult leader, former president donal j trump. for that, jordan and his minions are doing everything they can to interfere with manhattan d.a. alvin's bragg's case against trump bragg tried to fight back by suing jordan and asking a judg to block a subpoena from georgia taking testimony from former assistant va who worked on the trump - and manhattan. the judge, a trump appointee declined his request let's be clear what we are seeing here look like obstruction, it looks lik

intimidation from republican in congress. and it is all in the service o the twice impeached and no indicted, ex host of the apprentice let's bring back my panel, brittani and martin still with me brittani, this is what the gop has been reduced to, attacking the abe reich as a soros funde prosecutor, trump calling hi an animal, bragg is now gettin death threats. and yet republicans don't care they are upping the ante wit political stunts like this field hearing in new yor tomorrow >> i mean, they reduce themselves to this, right? this is a group of people wh always say one thing and don do another and playing political game when it comes to issues of violence, instead of a dressin access to guns and dimensions, the things that cause crime at the root, they're not all abou that they want to make sure t express some kind of retribution for the guy who is currently taking their party and the idea that they would take on this kind of retribution against somebody

who has big track to actuall ensure a level of safety for the great state of new york, i think, is something for us t pay critical attention to. think of - making sure that they ar playing all the right politica games and making the right political maneuvers for thei base ahead of 2024 that is all this is. and it is incredibly dangerous >> j.a. brags suit against jordan was thrown out by a trump judge. but how else do we describ this behavior from the jim jordan gop led house judiciary committee, other tha intimidation and obstruction >> women, harassment could als work using the courts and a trump appointed judge to try t harass the lawfully electe district attorney. and, you know, i think it is especially ironic because of course republicans as you note talk about federalism, state rights here, the allegations that donald trump violated state la and it is the sovereign states

authority to prosecute that. you see republicans complaining, oh, dear bragg was elected, he ran a campaign, he too contributions, his political here's a new flash virtually all state leve prosecutors are elected. they are all politicians so if the line here is tha former presidents cannot b prosecuted by unelected stat prosecutors, what it reall translates to is that al former presidents have total impunity when they violate state law. that is not the vision o federalism that the founders laid out in the constitution and i don't think it is one of the course will ultimately accept >> there's a bigger issue here you can't turn on fox withou hearing how dangerous big city like new york are. here's a chart comparing new york's crime per capita with those in bakersfield california, which just happens to be the home of speaker kevi mccarthy murder, rape, burglary, al higher in bakersfield than new york so by their own logic, by th gop's logic, should democrat

on the house judiciary committee go to bakersfiel next and hold a hearing on their crime rates? >> well, the democrats aren' gonna do that because they'r actually trying to focus on th things that are going to truly keep communities safe and no play these kind of political games that the gop have reduce themselves to. and if we are talking abou logic, i generally do not appl that to this era of th republican party look, tim scott is havin trouble stringing together a coherent sentence abou abortion kentucky is running go candidates that want to clos the department of education as opposed to worrying about th two mass shootings they have had in just a matter of mere days and the tennessee leader, th gop leader of the tennesse house is allegedly having an affair, right, and is supposed to be leading the party of family values in a state while he is hosting people who are protesting against gun violence so i need the gop to go an focus on something that matters, because they have plenty t worry about.

this the app tricks and trying to defend somebody who, as you said, is their cult leader gun violence just passed car crashes as the number on killer of american gun people. and we have to make sure tha if you are actually going to claim to be the party of famil values, as i said yesterday, you should put your policy where your mouth is. be the party of family value that you say you are, becaus this is not. >> because there are so many gop controversies around the country that i try to follow i my day job, including out of tennessee, i don't know if you -- elect scandal in tennessee involving the speaker, i assum he denies it we don't know about that but interesting you should raise that i have followed the speaker' case in regards to, of course, the two democrats were expelle and came back. mark, what happens when fani willis maybe indites trump for election interference in georgia? does jim jordan take his field trip road show to georgia next to into timid ate that tear? where does it end? how does the system fron function like this

>> the system can't function like this. i think that is part of th point here i do think jordan will go down to fulton county and try t allege that this is anothe partisan prosecution, a witc hunt and he will trot out all o these crime systems to stick t that acknowledging that so man of these members of the hous gop come from districts with our far higher crime if they really want to address the issues they could resign from the house and run for state senate or state house. and try to pass real gun control laws and reform th laws that are allowing these mass shootings and grievou violence but i think this sets an incredibly dangerous precedent how many times have we sai that over the last decade, i know but this is about blocking states sovereign ability t enforce their laws against criminals who violate them it is about creating impunit for a subset of republican elites to flout the law. that is not law. an order it is a real threat, i think to, federalism into this country's law enforcement system and -- if anybody in the republican

party really wants to stand up for the police, rylan forc mint, they should be defending these prosecutors, because i is police in law enforcement who are carrying out their order and making sure thes cases run smoothly >> - thank you as ever for your analysis brittani, stick around for one more segment, because next, th gop races to - murdering a protester an turned out to be the shock horror, racist t o. (vo) with verizon, you can now get a private 5g network. so you can do more than connect your business, you can make it even smarter. now ports can know where every piece of cargo is. and where it's going. (dock worker) right on time. (vo) robots can predict breakdowns and order their own replacement parts. (foreman) nice work. (vo) and retailers can get ahead of the fashion trend of the day with a new line tomorrow. with a verizon private 5g network, you can get more agility and security. giving you more control of your business. we call this enterprise intelligence. from the network america relies on.

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friday april the 7th, a u.s. army sergeant named daniel perry was found guilty o murdering black lives matter protests are garrett foster at a demonstration in austin, texas, in the summer of 2020 perry shot falls for multipl times, and a jury of his peers deliberated for 17 hours before coming to the unanimous guilty verdict and yet, the very next day

after fox's tucker carlson cam to daniel perry's defense on his primetime show, the very next day texas gop governo greg abbott announced he was working as swiftly as texas la allows, regarding the pardon o sergeant perry the pardon maga republicans like marjorie carolina, nor any jackso weighed into defending perry and demanding he be let go gop congressman dan crenshaw said, thank god that perry was on course for a pardon, an even said he should also b compensated. daniel perry, new khiry of the gop, their new rittenhouse to put aside the fact that unlike kyle rittenhouse, danie perry was found guilty o murder, in a case where th facts were pretty clear. he drove through a red light into a crowd of blm protesters and opened fire multiple times to yes, was legally an openl carrying ak-47, but accordin to witnesses, did not have i pointed at perry so perry was not acting in self-defense, he was not standing his ground. and here is what we have learned about daniel perry since the guilty verdict, sinc

republicans are fallen over on another to defend him. according to 76 pages of documents unsealed by the judg last week, and shared online b the houston chronicle, perry sent private messages for year containing racist memes, and defending the killing of protesters and muslims for example in a 2019 message, perry wrote it was too bad w can't get paid for hunting muslims in europe. and june 2020, here for th black lives matter protester as monkeys, and said i am racist because i do not agre with people acting like animal at the zoo now, when these texts an social media post came out las week, i initially thought to myself, silly gop maybe they should have wait a bit befor turning this odious guy into the new hero their new martyr but i'm thinking sadly, thes statements from perry, thi clear evidence of his racism and his violent hatred o minorities will just make hi more popular in right-wing circles, not less. given the bigoted state of the modern gop brittani panic, still with me,

brittani have to ask, is it th case that the gop are willing, they are supposed to be th party of law in order, the tough on crime party, ye they're defending a violen racist murderer. is it the case that if you kil people, with the gop don't like, don't sympathize with, they'll defend you is that simple? >> sadly it is that simple i think that we have all com to realize, whether we knew it or not, whether we want to believe it or not, that the go does not care about bein hypocrites if they did, then ask callin on hypocrites all the time would have actually shifte their operations, their beliefs, and their strategy instead what happens, is a double down, they actually entrenched themselves deeper i their hatred, especially o minoritize, and marginalized people this kind of behavior is the kind of behavior that we saw with kyle rittenhouse, but i will take you back even further, because i remember the numbe of fundraisers, and celebrator

dinners that were hosted for police officers who killed black people i remember specifically when the nra did not come out o behalf of black victims wh were armed in open carry states, but were still killed by the police so this kind of hypocrisy is sadly insistent with the gop and as long as the groups of people, like police, lik racists vigilantes, just lik perry, are willing to do the work of the gop by carrying ou their orders, then they ar okay with being hypocrites they are okay with those lives being lost, they are okay with making sure that their power i held by any means necessary. >> indeed, by any mean necessary, even if it mean defending a guy like danie perry. brittani, thank you fo analysis tonight i appreciat it >> thank you >> coming up next let's lowe with a minimal media, john leguizamo will discuss the premiere of his new series

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you can tough on the show on the msnbc hub on peacock and the new episode of the mehdi hasan show airs each wee on peacock, now it's time to hand it over to my good friend ayman mohyeldin. ayman before i go, i love doin interviews, tough interviews o people in power, and you vertebrae would as you know. to watch car crash interview where the interview is owned b the interviewee? it is painful for me and yet, we had lesley stahl interview marjorie taylo greene on 60 minutes two weeks ago, and now this week bbc tec reporter james clayton interviewing elon musk, both were disasters have >> a watch we >> fact-checked before i got t this interview >> to be fact-checked all my statements from kindergarten through 12th grade and i college and as i paid my taxes and never broke a law? i got a few speeding tickets doing each talk about those two? because i think where you ar going down as the same attacks that people of attack me wit over and over and over >> you must have at some point

seen the - one example. you can't give a single one. >> i am saying - >> i say that you don't know what you're talking about. >> really? >> yes because you can't give me simple single example of hateful content. not even one tweet and yet you claimed that the hateful content was high >> well, that is - no, what it claimed was ther are many organizations that sa that kind of information is on the rise now, whether it is - >> what those two awful clip tell me, amen, is that too man in liberal media have learne nothing from the lies of trump -- 's team ruled by their bad faith interviewees as a result that bbc reporter, ayman, wa apparently given 20 minute notice by musk for the interview. but he shouldn't have agreed t it if he couldn't be fully prepared with followups, wit specific examples, in 20

minutes. the mosques in the fmcgs o this world love doing week and credulous interviews like those, don't they >> not only do they love it, and you know what is so tellin of these interviews, all you have to do is actually look at how both marjorie taylor green and elon musk reacted to those interviews to know how the went after elon tweeted out, the bb interview last week wa exceptional and illustrating why you cannot really on the media for truth. and for her par, green, who ha never said anything else about -- suddenly heaps praise on was a stall saying that she respects her, issues like what, suggesting that nancy pelosi should be executed, or jewis space lasers i mean, it is one thing to see this happen on fox where someone like donald trump ha given hours on end to spew his lies by stenographers like sea hannity or tucker carlson, but it is so disheartening to your point, when you see far-righ extremists like brainerd

disingenuous actors like mus platformed and normalized on major news organizations lik cbsn bbc, without any seriou or meaningful pushback t expose them for how harmfu they are to free speech an democracy. and i say this again to end it everyone in the media, who may be watching, and to your point mehdi, they get is never mor important than the content o the interview. if you are not prepared, do no do the interview just to boast that you've got an exclusive >> here here well said. well said. i totally agree. >> mehdi, great show as always my friend, it is great to se you. enjoy the rest of your evening >> coming up on ayman, som breaking developments on the dominion trial -- push back one day. what, if anything, might tha indicate and what will happe when dominion finally gets its day in court plus, republicans hold a sha hearing against alvin bragg. i'll speak with democratic congresswoman stacey plasket about the gop's chief tricks and, like lozano does america, john locke was almost joins me

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