interviewed. both, are now free, an apparently they're no longer coconspirators, or lover's >> what's in this frequent gray? >> i don't know. >> i mean, if she divorces her husband, should get a lot more than $50,000 >> that's, it is a call fo help it's a psychological call fo help i don't know the answer to that was it a desperate act to ge attention? i don't know the answer to that, but i can tell you, she sure picked a very colorful way t do it. >> it's hard to pull off a fak kidnapping, just is. >> that's all for, now i'm lester holt, for all of us a nbc news, thanks for watching. ♪ this sunday, supreme uncertainty. >> the supreme court keeps the abortion pill available for now with a final decision

potentially coming in days. >> they attack medication that for 20 years the fda ruled as being safe. se restrictions on abortion. that's where >> i do believe in commonsense restrictions on abortion that's where america is at >> as republican presidential hopefuls continue to struggle with the abortion issue post-roe. >> i would literally sign the most conservative pro-life legislation that they can get through congress. >> even if it was six weeks. >> i'm not going to talk about six or five or seven or ten. and the gun debate, after more mass shootings in tennessee and kentucky - >> oh, my god, there's an active shoot are there! >> -- the nra holds its annual meeting and republicans pledge support. >> with me at 1600 pennsylvania avenue no one will lay a finger on your firearms >> can the two parties find common ground on issues that have divided the nation for decades? >> my guests, tammy baldwin of wisconsin and bill cassidy of louisiana.

also, rising tensions. ♪ >> israel is facing crises a home and criticism abroad. >> they cannot continue down this road. >> my exclusive interview with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. >> people will see in the end that israel was a democracy, is a democracy, and will be even stronger democrat see after this democratic reform. >> finally, how did a 21-year-old gamer, an air national guardsman gain access to the nation's top secrets. joining me for insight and analysis are - nbc news senior washington correspondent hallie jackson former homeland security secretary jeh johnson, leigh ann caldwell of "the washington post," and stephen hayes, editor of ""the dispatch." welcome to sunday. history, i it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd good sunday morning. debates over guns and abortion have roiled this nation for decades.

this week those debates feel a bit more intense than they have in a while, and there's some deepening tensions between activists who wield power inside primary circles and the overall electorate >> today marks the tenth anniversary of the virginia tech shooting 32 people were killed and now it's been surpassed by mass shootings in vegas and orlando six more killed two weeks ago in a school in nashville. 2024 republican hopefuls gathered at the nra convention on friday and rejected the idea that gun restrictions could somehow limit gun violence and the nra could demand un lilimit association. >> politicians should never go to bed unafraid of what this association and all of our millions of members can do to their political careers. >> the issue is not too many guns the issue is too many thugs, hoodlums and savage criminals on the street.

>> little miss adie, she already has a shotgun and she already has a rifle, and she's got a little pony named sparkles, too, so the girl is set up. >> a gallup poll conducted before the louisville shootings shows 63% of americans aref dissatisfied, and a majority o republicans are satisfied and that overall dissatisfaction number hasn't translated to the ballot box not a single pro-gun elected politician has been thrown out over the issue that's not true on abortion. nowhere is the gap between the republican base and the overall general electric greater than on this issue, particularly after the overturning of roe v. wade on friday the supreme court put a temporary hold on a lower court ruling on the abortion pill while the court considers the biden administration's request to preserve fda approval of the drug. the state keeps the abortion pill widely available for now with perhaps another decision expected by wednesday to try to clear some of this up.

in theory with the dobbs decision, they thought they were sending abortion back to the states and clearly, that is not the case the dobbs decision is not popular with the public. while 61% of voters disapprove of the decision to overturn roe, 65% of republicans approved of it republican elected leaders are well aware of what abortion presents they've struggled to answer simple questions about where they stand on abortion rights and access this week florida governor ron desantis quickly signed a ron desantis six-week abortion ban before an evangelical group and he did it behind closed doors, and he never mentioned what he did in his speech donald trump has repeatedly refused to say if he would support a law that would restrict abortion, mike pence and nikki haley are struggling to define their views on this issue. >> is it difficult to get a

penalty for abortions? >> i must tell you that i don't. i'm not familiar with those proposals and i don't -- i don't -- i don't have a way of responding to that or confirming it. >> i would literally sign the most conservative pro-life legislation that they can get through congress. >> even if it was six weeks. >> i'm not going to talk about six or five or seven or ten. >> i don't want unelected justices deciding something this personal we will not let this be a political football let's let the states work thises out. if congress decides to do it, don't let them get into the game of them saying how many weeks, how many weeks no, let's first figure out what we agree on. >> joining me now is democratic senator tammy baldwin of wisconsin who announced this week who announced this week she plans to run for a third term. senator baldwin, welcome back to "meet the press." >> it's a delight to join you. >> let's start with the supreme court's decision to put a temporary hold on the use of

mifepristone and the abortion in this country do you think five days is enough time for the supreme court to get all of the information they need in order to make this decision >> well, who knows how long that will take, but i'm certainly glad for the five days, but look, what we have in look, what we have in texas is a judge who is not guided by science but is part of an extreme republican concerted effort to ban abortion nationwide, and we do not need judges, politicians, o government telling women what sort of health care they can have it is an issue that is not only playing out in the court in texas, but in the state of florida with the governor signing a near six-week ban. idaho forbidding travel out of state for minors, wisconsin where we've gone back to

literally 1849 that is the date our criminal abortion ban was passed, and that's 174 years ago we are fighting back >> if the supreme court decides to allow the circuit's ruling to hold, which would roll back fda approval of mifepristone essentially to pre-2016 regulations, if that happens, what do you want the biden administration to do for instance, do you think they should resubmit mifepristone to the fda and get a new approval >> yeah. so we don't know what the ruling is going to be we know that this is a drug that was proven safe and effective back in 2000 we know there have been further we know there have been fur fda regulations, and the drug has been made available now in a

recent ruling over the counter, and i don't think that there should be second-guessing of the scientific-based process that fda goes it has such repercussions beyond the drug mifepristone to -- you know, we want to be able to rely on a science-driven process that the fda has. proces versus state here in wisconsinl versus state here in wisconsin assuming that the newly configured supreme court decides that the 1800 law is essentially null and void, that it's obsolete it's likely that wisconsin's abortion law would revert to a law that was passed in the '80s that would essentially make 20 weeks the limit on when you can get an abortion.80s that would essentially make 20 weeks th your bill in the senate would be roe v. wade, which is essen

essentially 20 to 24 weeks do you think there's significance 20 between and 24 weeks. >> it takes the additional step to tell states that they can't pass laws that unduly limit access to that right in wisconsin you talk about the 1980s law, but there have beena laws laws passed in the '90s and, frankly, quite recently that further restrict a woman's access to full reproductive health care, whether those are waiting periods, mandatory koujsing, invasive ultrasounds >> right >> these are the types of stat interference that the women's health protection act would eliminate. >> i'm just curious. how rigid are you? in order to get two-thirds of 0 weeks would you do it?

>> i what you're hoping to get and you can get 60 votes with 20 weeks would you do it? >> i certainly would look at that, but here is what the bill does the bill talks about previability and viability and relies on medical expertise because that time may change as medicine advances. so we recognize that from the get-go, and i think that's the appropriate way to do it, but i do want to get this measure passed. >> but you are willing to have some compromise if that was the price of getting more republicans onboard. if you can get them onboard at 20 weeks rather than 24 -- we even heard senator tim scott saying if 20 weeks is all he could get looking at it through the other way, that perhaps he would support that is that at all drn - >> i'm not going to negotiate -- >> i understand, is that all something at least worth looking at >> certainly it's worth looking at, but the way to go is to have medical science establish what's previable and what's post

viability, and that's what the bill does. elections, only one senator was able to win re-election despite the pr >> i want to ask you a couple of political questions. >> yes >> over the last two elections, only one senator was able to win re-election despite the presidential candidate of the same party winning their -- not winning their state. it was susan collins in maine in 2020 >> that's right. >> do you think you can win re-election if joe biden can't carry wisconsin? >> well, i think joe biden will carry wisconsin. obviously, we don't know who the republican nominee will be, but despite republican national efforts to put the spotlight on wisconsin by hosting their convention there and having the first republican primary debate in wisconsin, i think that will prevail, and i think you can look at last week's momentum in first republican primary our state supreme court race look at last week's momentum in our state supreme court race. what people said resoundingly is we want what people said resoundingly is we want our rights and freedoms back and we're willing to work hard, go to the polls and win

elections in order to do that. that will not diminish in 2024, and if any republican thinks that voters have simmered down on the abortion issue they are wrong.t is going it's going to -- that is going to continue well into the next presidential race. >> senator dianne feinstein is recovering from a tough bout with shingles. there have been tough calls for her to resign now. where do you stand on this >> well, i certainly wish senator feinstein well, and i'm pleased that she's made the decision to have a fill-in on her seat on the judiciary committee. i think that's really an important and responsible thing to do during her absence because we have president biden's nominees waiting for hearings and votes, and we want to keep that moving, but i wish her well and hope she returns to the senate very soon >> do you think these calls for her to resign are appropriate?

>> look, it's up to dianne feinstein and her family to decide whether she wants to keep on serving and she's had a remarkable record, and i respect that >> senator tammy baldwin, democrat from wisconsin running for a third term i appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective for us. >> thank you so much and joining me now is republican senator bill cassidy of louisiana, the top republican on the health and education committee and also a medical doctor senator cassidy, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> thank you, chuck. >> i want to start with mifepristone you're someone who has not wanted this drug to be available by mail. i'm curious whierks were you not one of the 1 republican senators to sign on the supporting of the texas ruling ?

>> i'm >> i'm not quite sure what you're asking for. i don't sign all briefs all day. we have a political process by which we resolve issues. that particular ruling seems to be going through -- it was on a process-oriented thing among the reasons the way they ruled, the way i'm told, is the fda did not follow correctly the administrative proceeds act. that's a question of fact that can be resolved by the court and it's actively being resolved the broader question is how do you resolve the issues in general? i think returning it to the states to allow a state's values to guide is very importanthange. in my state a law written by democratic female state senator and signed into law by a democratic governor established a more pro-life statute. that's the way i think it's going to resolve in massachusetts, in new york, california, nothing changes. in my state a law written by democratic female state senator and signed into law by a democratic governor established a more pro-life statute. that's the way i think it's going to resolve politically and that's the way it will resolve socially and culturally.

>> on the decision of mifepristone, do you believe that the scientific community should effective. tak you havee precedence t her words when it comes te and the american college of obstetrics and gynecology says that mifepristone is safe and effective. you have said their word matters when it comes to over the counter birth control. should their word matter when it comes to the use of mifepristone >> so i think you're going back to the kind of assertion that the principal basis of the court case in texas was about the safety, and i think it specifically said that it was is up supposed to -- the accelerated pathway was supposed to approve a drug to treat an illness. and social issue. in my state it is a stretch to call a pregnancy an illness, and of course, obviously we know what happens to the unborn baby, and so i'm not quite sure you're framing this question accurately beyond that is also a cultural

and social issue in my state we are a pro-life state. we have legislation which is far more pro-life than, say, california, but the californians keep their law and we keep our law and that's the way it will work out nationally. >> right i guess, though, on this texas decision, it does seem like it's going to call into question other fda approvals on other drugs. do you worry about the upending a status quo and sort of upending the fda's authority in a way that will create chaos in the pharmaceutical industry? >> i think that's totally alarmist by the way, when did the fda think it can go above the law? it can ignore the administrative procedure act which every other agency has to follow theoretically, but they don't have to. so, i mean, that's alarmist, and i also think that the fda should not be above the law >> i want to get you to respond to something governor sununu

said about roe v. wade take a listen. i'm curious of your reaction. >> roe v. wade whether you agree with it orient, there's a 20-year precedent with this thing and now to the american public it looks like republicans are coming in. >> there was a doctor from new jersey who was testifying before congress and just grieving about how all of her patients were in. >> there was a fearful. i'm thinking, nothing will change in new jerseyjersey. she doesn't understand the law, or if she understands it, she's deliberately mischaracterizing it what dobbs does is it is reflective of the state. in louisiana it reflects our values again, a law written by democratic female senator signed into law by the governor i agree with the premise of sid into law by the which governor sununu said, but i'm disagreeing with how you're presenting it. presenting it. >> are you still glad that roe v. wade was overturned or in hindsight -- you've always said it's an uncomfortable, it's hard to find a middle ground.

did it turn out roe v. wade was the uncomfortable middle ground for america? >> i think dobbs is the uncomfortable middle ground where people will say there's no one opinion and no one group has the ability to impose their will upon the other, and so, you know, dobbs, i think, was the correct decision >> are you going to vote against any attempt at creating a federal standard considering that you believe this goes back to the states whether attempt whether it's -- at one time you had supported a 20-week bill would that ever -- would you ever be open to that, or do you think at this point always leave it to the states >> first, i think that the dobbs decision is the correct decision you can give me theoreticals all day longpr i am pro-life, by the way. i am pro-life, and the fact is you will need 60 votes to get something through the senate

what tammy baldwin was talking about that there will be no restrictions on the states upon abortion meaning the child can come through the birth canal and still be aborted no that's wrong most americans think that's wrong. tammy will not get it through the senate and there are not 60 votes for allowing that. on a bipartisan basis, that's already been rejected. so i kind of reject giving me theoretical after theoretical just because -- that's what you do if you want to fill air time and get people buzzing, and it's not how we govern. that you've decided to touch which is the >> i hear you, but there seems, to, a real debate on this front. i want to touch on something that you've decided to touch which is the third rail of american politics and social security i want to play this ad that donald trump is running against ron desantis on this issue take a look. >> desantis has his dirty fingers all over senior entitlements like cutting medicare, slashing social security, even raising our retirement age >> how much harder is the former

president and,frankly, most no republican elected officials who are suddenly running away from touching anything with social security, medicare, and medicaid how much harder is this making your job of trying to convince republicans to have this conversation >> you know, both joe biden and former president trump have the sam plan, which is to do nothing on social security, and to allow a 24% cut to benefits when the fund goes insolvent in about eight or nine years. they both have the same plan it does make it harder when your leading presidential candidates have made the decision to deceive the american people and to say there isn't a problem when every actuary who looks at this says there is a problem, and someone who's receiving -- 80 years old would otherwise be in poverty, gets a cut in benefits, it makes it hard when they are so irresponsible. it's true for president biden and it's true for former president trump. >> are you open to tax hikes it's going to have to be some combination of tax hikes and

raising the retirement age >> what we have is a big idea. and in our big idea, we create a fund that's separate from social security we put about 1.5 trillion dollars in it, and we allow it to be invested in the nation's economy. beneficiary and there are no social security dollars put into this separate fund and we allow it to sit there and we allow it to grow and at the end there's no risk borne by the beneficiary and there are no social security dollars put into this separate fund and we allow it to sit there and we allow it to grow and at the end it helps bridge social security to sustainability all of the risk is borne by the fund now, what you do with the additional 25%, that is 75% of what we need to do the additional 25% are dials that politically we have to come together and resolve if one side proposes something, the other side will demagogue it we see trump and biden demagoguing it now when you're honest with the american people, we have a being idea to solve 75% of the

problem, and that's a big idea >> senator cassidy, it is -- it is a tough issue for you to try to take a leadership position on good luck. we'll be watching, and i look forward to continuing this discussion down the road thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective. >> thank you, chuck. appreciate it. when we come back, is florida governor ron desantis rebooting a campaign that has yet to begin the panel is next. dang it. that's some bad luck brian. and i think i'm late on my car insurance. good thing the general gives you a break when you need it. yeah, with flexible payment options to keep you covered. so today is your lucky... oh! [crash] ...day. meteor! [screams] dangit. for a great low rate, go with the general. ♪ ♪ away suitcases come in many colors. so you can find your color. colors. choices. happiness. away. ♪ ♪

welcome back the panel is here. nbc senior washington news correspondent hallie jackson and host of "hallie jackson now," and former secretary jeh johnson, and stephen hayes and leigh ann caldwell anchor of "washington post live. hallie jackson, i want to focus on ron desantis because it does get us into all of the current hand wringing inside the gop whether it's on abortion or whether it's about donald trump and everything, but look at these headlines. it's astonishing to me for a candidate who's not in the race yet, we're talking about trying to stop florida republicans from

endorsing trump and it sours on him over social issues and dune in the polls "the wall street journal" says he's looking to rebound. he's not announced yet this has been an incredibly shrinking candidacy. >> it would not surprise you that people close to ron desantis that would be down playing. he's alluded to people he's talked to, he doesn't want to announce anything until after the state legislation is the state legislative session ends, and my sense is it's going to be fairly soon after that and not a long time after that because they want to get in this race and start to push back. i think you're already seeing that coming up with the ads now going against donald trump from the super pac. they're drawing some of the policy distinctions like abortion because on this they have a sense that what's he going to do? he's not going to not sign and he's not going to veto a six-week abortion ban in florida and while they think this is an issue in a primary, there is no other good option here so, of course, he's going to do it, and they're going to talk about it

>> steve hayes, there is a republican community looking for goldilocks they're looking for someone who can somehow bring the trump wing and the establishment wing behind, and desantis was supposed to be goad lox. is it too hoot >> it's a difficult balance to strike, i think, there is a thirst among republican elected officials and some republican rank and file voters to move beyond donald trump. weekend from governor brian kemp from georgia and you see this from top republican donors and you saw it more we saw this in remarks over the weekend from governor brian kemp from georgia and you see this from top republican donors and you saw it more broadly. what's curious what desantis is doing, donald trump has picked a fight with white evangelical votes who were the core of his base, blaming them for abortion-related problems after the 2022 midterms, and there's an obvious place for ron desantis to drive a wedge between trump and his base, and he's choosing not to do it

>> you think he was setting it up on policy and not doing it? >> he's not talking about it he went to liberty university and he didn't tout it. this is an obvious place for ron desantis to split trump. >> there's an old term called rabbit ears and someone's at bam and they hear all the critiques behind him, and it seems like he hears every criticism and responds to them he's not doing this enough and i don't like the ukraine response and too many abortions are happening in florida, let me deal with that >> there's concern among republicans that he's not yet ready for prime time that's one of the messages that nikki haley is pushing and what you hear from republican sources. he's been in a bubble in florida, not talking to the press and not engaging, and he is very popular there, but what happens when he meets a national media? what happens when he meets

donald trump who is masterful at taking down his candidates or his opponents. >> it's interesting, jeh at som johnson. one note of caution i throw at some people, and ron desantis is too quick, about this time barack obama in 20 - in 2007 supporters were going, hey, he hasn't caught hillary clinton yet, what's wrong? he doesn't have what it takes. donors were starting to wring -- and then the debates happened and the campaign happened and things took place. do you think there's a little bit of overreaction here >> chuck, as you know, in politics, a month is a year, a week is a month. i agree with steve i think desantis is making a very concerted effort to be the most aggressively conservative person in this field and is trying to go after trump's base. i am puzzled that he did not mention the six-week bill at lab earth university. >> especially at liberty >> especially the way he did it. he quickly flew from ohio to florida so he could get there

the next day it's like, oh, that must be what you're up to >> i've spoken there, and the pro-life stance is the one big, unifying thing among the student body and the faculty at liberty university. >> hallie, let me show you something. tim scott did his sort of semi-rollout >> yeah. >> let me show you tim scott on the abortion issue >> if the 20-week ban would reach your desk. 20-week ban, definitely. >> i'm not going to talk about six or seven or ten and the most conservative that can come to congress >> that's what you're saying. >> yes >> they don't know what to say. >> what may be interesting to you is there are people close to tim scott who are happy with the headline coming from ali vitale's interview they will sign -- they didn't like 20 weeks the week before? >> they think whatever will come through congress will have a conservative consensus and that's the line you'll see from him moving forward on the other side of the aisle because the big issue is what does this mean for a general

election when you look at where the american population is and where the american voters are at large, and one democrat phrased it to me, tim scott's presence essentially could be ron desantis' future, and the idea that there's difficulty in answering the abortion question. doesn't this give you 2015 vibes? >> all of these sniping at each other. >> not scott walker, but donald trump is the leader of the pac and they're after him, and people are seeing him people are seeing him post-indictment with the republican primary base. >> no one's in charge of the party, and there's the problem there is no consensus abortion position and without it the democrats can define the republicans. >> you can make arguments where republicans don't have a consensus position because it's whatever donald trump has wanted for the last six years i think part of this is also how early this is in the process you have quasi candidates and they're not willing to take donald trump on because it's

early, and they're not articulating their own policy positions because they're not willing to respond to anything else. when we come back, you think it's tumultuous here in the american political scene the middle east may be even more divided than we are. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu joins me next. c wrote♪ ♪ box came by mail. ♪ ♪ showed up on friday. ♪ ♪ i screened with cologuard and did it my way! ♪ cologuard is a one-of-a kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45 plus at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. ♪ (group) i did it my way! ♪

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welcome back as tumultuous as the american domestic political debate is these days, the lone democracy in the middle east may be each more divided israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's plan to weaken the supreme court in israel has triggered nationwide protests. meanwhile in just a week israel has exchanged fire with palestinians and palestinian-linked groups in the occupied west bank and in the gaza strip as well as with both lebanon and syria. the crises have only deepened the tensions between the united states and israel that have been simmering a bit for months i am joined by the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu. mr. prime minister, welcome back to "meet the press."

>> thank you good to be with you. >> let me start with your judicial reform package. to say that it has gotten a negative reception might be an understand statement your own defense minister called for a pause in it and he was concerned about the security due to so many reservists being upset about it the public approval for you has plummeted and the most recent poll has 71% disapproving of the job you are doing and even among your own likud party members dog more people have a negative view of your job than positive and last week moody's downgraded israel's economic rating due to what it said was what reflects a deterioration of israel's governance as illustrated by the recent events around the government proposal for overhauling the country's judiciary. given all of this, have you decided to re-think and pull back on some of your reform ideas? >> well, you loaded so many things, many of them incorrect

in your questions, i'll try to -- how do you say that -- unpack that one by one. the first thing is that i look for a broad consensus on the judiciary. every democracy, including your own, has continuous tension between the judiciary and the executive or the legislative that's happening in america. it's happening in france it's happening in israel it's a natural tension of trying to keep the balance between the three branches of government, and is rile is no different. and in israel, the last 30 years has been a growing litigation of the supreme court between the powers of the executive and the legislative, and we're trying to bring it back into proper balance, and that obviously has concerns because democracy is based on the will of thehow to g

that we're working on now. majority and the will of the people as reflected in the government that is elected and the legislature that is elected and protecting individual rights and the will of the majority and the rights of the minority and how to balance that is something that we're working on now. it's not easy. i want to make sure the pendulum doesn't swing from an all-powerful judiciary always independent and not always all powerful that overrules the government or the parliament, but at the same time i don't want the parliament overruling automatically every decision of the supreme court. so i've decided to take time between tto get a balance between the opposing views, and there are strongly opposing views on both sides of our society, and i hope to reach this by consensus, and i think that's the right thing to do, and i'm doing it >> do you understand that perhaps your opponent in the country don't take you at face value about the judicial reforms because you yourself would benefit from these reforms due to your corruption trial and the ability perhaps to make this either corruption trial totally go away or be delayed. how can you lead this effort if you, yourself, may benefit from this effort? how do you make it credible to the public >> here's another fib, another

lie. that's just not true my own legal proceedings, which, by the way, are crumbling -- all these charges against me are crum crumbling. it's interesting that the hostile press stop covering it stop covering the trial the minute it began because things are crumbling one after the other, but be that as it may, it's important to understand the judges in my case have already been chosen, and i've made i absolutely abundantly clear that the reform will not affect any judge who today or tomorrow or in the future has to deal with my case. my case is completely independent from this. the thing to understand -- >> the knesset did change the capacity law. right? they c capacity law right? they changed the incapacity law on the prime minister to make sure that if you're indicted that that wouldn't be cause for removal -- or excuse me. if you're convicted, that wouldn't be cause for removal.

>> no, that actually is something that -- not subject -- no, actually that's not true the important thing is that it actually would be accuse for removal. the charges that are not subject -- otherwise you can charge anyone. you can have some politically appointed prosecutors.n remove just as jackson said, a famous american jurist, he said the power of a politically motivated prosecution, they can remove anybody on anything, and, therefore, in israel under the unanimous decision of the israeli supreme court, you issu. based on charges that can be politicized. so that hasn't changed and that is actually enshrined in law and in supreme court decisions look, the whole thing is -- there is an issue. it's a real issue. it affects many democracies sooner or later. it's affected israel because of the imbalance of the three branches of government and we're trying to bring it back into balance. but i think in trying to bring

it back into balance requires -- at least for me as prime minister of a democratic, fiercely, a robustly democratic country called israel, to try to do it in as broad an agreement as possible, and i'm definitely giving it a shot by the way -- we can take blows from my side >> do you accept that this has taken a toll on you politically, that the public doesn't like this do you accept the promise that the public is upset about this >> oh, some of it is upset you wouldn't know about the other side that wants to have the judicial reform because their demonstrations are not covered. >> you once said two terms should be enough for an israeli prime minister why did you backtrack? >> i didn't backtrack. an israe prime minister. why did you backtrack? >> i i said if you had a presidential system, you could put term limits on the prime minister there is no elected parliamentary democracy in which you have limitations on terms of service on the prime minister. you only have that in presidential elections >> i know there's not there, but you yourself said that -- you yourself said you didn't think

staying in power that -- that, you know, if you can't accomplish your goals in your first term, you might accomplish them in your second, but you don't need any more time than that. >> i was referring to a question on a presidential system, but if you want to know, i think i still have -- and apparently the people of israel still think i have many things to do block iran's quest for the bomb, expand the circle of peace with other arab countries, forg israel's economy to bring it to much higher levels i've made it a free market economy, but i think we have incredible potential, and all these things and perhaps arrive at a consensual judiciary reform -- by the way, i have another aide -impacting >> i hear you -- israel.

i've known him for 40 yea president biden has weighe israi security. friends can have disagreements on occasion, but i share with him the view thatd in w, concerned about the judicial reform do you believe this is impacting u.s./israeli relations >> no, i don't i think president biden has been a great friend of israel i've known him for 40 years from the time he was a senator through vice president through president. i know his commitment to israeli security friends can have disagreements on occasion, but i share with him the view that we should act and not only share the view, i'm actually acting on it to try to reach a broad consensus as possible i want to tell you one thing, chuck, when i compare the degree of coordination between israel and america on security matters, on intel, on cyber, economic cooperation -- >> yeah. >> -- there's just no comparison to where this was 27 years ago today it's -- i think -- i always say america is israel's indispensable and by far the best ally, and i want to tell you, i don't think you have a better ally in the world than israel because israel has become a great technological power and a great asset to the united

states, and our cooperation, mutual cooperation saves a lot of american and israeli lives. >> speaking of our relationship, the damaging leaks that came out of the u.s. government and the u.s. military, one of those leaked documents indicated that mossad, the israeli version of the cia, advocated for its members to protest the current government do you believe mossad opposes your government? >> god, no >> first of all, i value american intelligence a little more than that, and i think they probably know the truth. the truth is the mossad legal adviser said that under israeli law, junior members of mossad can participate in demonstrations, not senior members. >> gotc that's, i think, what led to this misunderstanding. >> gotcha. >> no. the mossad, the military and the internal security service are working hand in hand with me as prime minister to assure the security of the country, and

they're doing a damn good job of it too >> well, as you probably can tell, there's a lot more to that interview. you can see my full interview with mr. netanyahu on meetthepress.com when we come back, gun violence has become the leading cause of death for children and teens. we'll break it down which communities are getting hit the hardest.

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affect all kids and teens equally. i want to show you this. in 2019 before the pandemic ove by guns. 1,67700 kids and teens were killed by guns by 2021 that number grew by 50%. it's now over 2,500, and thi impacts everyone, but the data shows that it does not impact folks equally. in 2021 black kids were about five times more likely to die from gun fire than white or hispanic kids and with from gun fire than white or hispanic kids and with 11.8 gun deaths per 100,000 children and teens compared to 2.3 deaths in white and hispanic kids and less than one death per 100,000 of asian children and teen, that is a massive racial divide and there are racial disparities in how young people experience gun violence in 2021 the overwhelming majority of gun deaths among black kids were homicides versus 1% of suicide. majority of in the reverse, 66% being suicides suicide.

in the reverse, 66% being and remember in 2021, most schools were still doing remote learning and how youth experience outside of the mass school shootings that often dominate the headlines. before we go to break, there perhaps has been no senator more closely associated with the guns issue than dianne feinstein, and this week the democrat was asked to temporarily be replaced and she first appeared on the program as mater of san francisco in 1984 when presidential candidate walter mondale was considering her as his running mate >> i'm still not seeking the position of vice president i've had an opportunity now to be the first woman and the first mayor to be asked to go through an interview process, and i view that as a major opening of the door and something that's very important to do. it is very important that that

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welcome back. jeh johnson, you were -- before you were at welcome back jeh johnson, you were -- before you were at dhs you were at the pentagon. >> yes >> how does a 21-year-old air national guardsman end up with all this access to classified documents? last time i checked hertz rental car seems to have more scrutiny of our youth when deciding who gets the car than apparently the u.s. military. apparently the u.s. military. >> that' >> that's my question. how does a 21-year-old enlisted member of the massachusetts guard get access to ts-level information?

so it's one of two things. either it was part of his job to review this stuff and then he took screen shots or hit print and walket out of it, which he shouldn't have done, or i read somewhere that he was a specialist or a technician, so he may have well have had access to that level of classified information and then reached to get something he should not have read in the first place. >> is this a failure of imagination? >> look, you put all of these on computer networks, you need tech support. did they not think that the i.t. folks might be vulnerable or a vulnerability? >> hey, don't look for the answer here. i'm stunned by this. and there are all these questions about shouldn't we clamp down shouldn't we clamp down? shouldn't we make it tighter i tend to be philosophical like this, one in 10,000 when someone steals something and then you have an incident like another boston marathon bombing ten years ago, and everyone says why didn't you connect the dots andu

why didn't you connect the dots, and we want to make it wider, broader, more access and there's a pendulum and there's a happy medium somewhere. >> you know, hallie, nothing that was leaked was stuff that we didn't largely know you know, meaning like, we knew egypt had a history with russia. look, there were some specifics that were embarrassing to these other countries. in some ways it's nice to know that the intelligence -- you know, that this is what it is, and this is what it looks like, and apparently this is what it is >> i think the sense in talking with a couple of folks close to the white house on this they're pointing to what, of course, president biden said that there was nothing contemporaneous and not the fact of the leak itself, but the underlying information that was released here the sense is hey, they think people in the country largely support what the biden administration is doing on russia and ukraine and that this is not going to be a game-changer there politically, how much hay is there? although i want to talk to democrats that republicans are out there defending this guy and leaker it's not really all republicans

and it's one republican and that's marjorie taylor greene. >> that seems to be a bizarre -- >> yeah. more of a detour than a main event. >> the intel communities will want a pound of flesh here aren'tly >> my sources on the intel committee are saying this will absolutely be an issue and there will be an all-senator classified briefing when they return later this week and thesa intelligence committees have a lot of questions and not only why do so many people have access to classified information and what sort of fallout is there from this?cess to classifd they want to know not what president biden says, but what the intelligence committee is saying what the fallout is going to be, so this is going to be an issue, but this has also been an issue and there have been leaks before after this noted issue and, jeh, you know better. i don't know how much there is after each one, but congress

will focus on thise than ever before and we have so much more intelligence. i don't know -- >> steve, this is a challenge. because of our ability, we have more classified intelligence than ever before and we have so much more intelligence i don't know -- we had this issue with so much incoming there does need to be somewhat a filter. >> i think this is downstream from the overclassification problem. there's no question about it more than a million people have access to government top-secret information, and that's a problem that i think needs to be narrowed and i don't buy it from joe biden that this is of no consequence and the people don't buy it either. if you think about how joe biden has downplayed other issues, the afghanistan withdrawal, was just fine and went according to plan and there's no china intelligence problem with the china balloon allegation and domestic policy and i think joe biden has a credibility problem generally and he has a and domestic policy and i think joe biden has a credibility problem credibility problem with respect to intelligence. >> i think there are those that are trying to say that the leak -- i think when you look at it through a political 2024 lens, that's it. that the

leak -- i think when you look >> i will get you on the post game. >> it could have been worse. it could have been much worse. he could have put out stuff that -- >> we don't know what else hasn't been seen that's all i have for today. thanks for watching. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." it wasn't true, you know i was hoping somebody was shooting fireworks outside, scaring the kids, because, y