>> thank you. >> the family has overcome struggles, even homelessness as a first generation son of mexican immigrants, he hopes his story inspires others. >> how would you define the americans dream? >> the american dream to me has always been reaching for something more that belief that there's better out there and it's within your reach if you work hard enough. >> extraordinary young man that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart reach me on instagram and twitter joits jd balart and watch highlights from today's show online at jd balart msnbc and i thank you for the privilege of your time andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. and right now on "andrea mitchell reports" the supreme court puts a temporary pause on new restrictions that would limit access to an fda approved

abortion pill with the justices demanding briefs and next steps on wednesday. another american town devastated by a deadly mass shooting, this time the pictures are teenagers at a sweet 16 party in dadeville, alabama. i'll speak to congressman jason crow, an iraq and afghan war veteran about the diplomatic and political fallout from the intelligence leaks allegedly carried out by a 21-year-old air national guardsman with top secret clearance good day i'm andrea mitchell. in washington, where the supreme court is back at the center of the abortion debate for the first time since it overturned roe v. wade last june after samuel alito put a temporary hold on an appeals court ruling from the fifth circuit that limited access to the abortion pill court papers submitted by the u.s. solicitor general on behalf

of the fda say even the potential changes to mifepristone's labeling required by lower court rulings would create, quote, regulatory chaos for the drugmaker. nbc's senior legal correspondent laura jarrett joins us now in the dobbs decision last year the justices led by sam alito in his majority opinion indicated they wanted the states to control these decisions. this is the opposite of what we saw from the texas judge, upheld in part by fifth circuit court of appeals. >> and it's a sentiment certainly emphasized by the drug manufacturer in its latest filings. does the court want to go down at this stage? we know they have put a temporary hold on that lower court decision, and, obviously, the justice department and danco the pill manufacturer want to see the stay extended. the justices may decide to grab the case and keep that pause in action which essentially would mean access to mifepristone stays just as it is right now,

or it could decide to lift the stay in which case you might see some of those restrictions come back into play of course that would be in direct conflict with that other decision out of washington state. we wait to see exactly how the justices will come out here. i should mention they have asked to hear from the plaintiffs in the case by noon tomorrow. any time after that we could see a decision from the high court. >> and they could decide to extend the stay, make an administrative stay, decide that plaintiffs didn't have standing, they could -- there are a number of things they could do at this stage? >> exactly they could decide any number of different ways to play out here. in the universal course the case would go back down to the fifth circuit, that court has agreed to hear it on an expedited basis on may 17th, scheduled it for oral argument and if the justice department loses in the fifth circuit it would come back up to the supreme court. we might be right back here again pretty soon. >> i want to stay with the supreme court for a moment and talk about clarence thomas

there's new reporting from the "washington post" that justice thomas has claimed income from a defunct real estate firm on financial disclosure records for years and failed to disclose that billionaire gop supporter and friend harlan crow, the person responsible for all those trips, that he bought thomas' family home and renovated it into a museum, but also that thomas' mother remained living there. this would not fall within the large loophole by friends loophole, the loose supreme court ethics rule that does require filings, you know, when they accept -- when the justices accept hospitality from friends. this would be a different category so what happens next >> that's right. the question is whether he now decides to amend those financial disclosure forms, which he could do at any time, usually those are forms that are done in consultation with a law firm or an aide and so the question is whether or not he decides to

amend those which would essentially be an admission something hadn't been disclosed properly we should mention when the first batch of reporting came out about the yachts and all of the trips he was taking from crow, we actually saw a rare statement from him at the time essentially saying he thought that they didn't need to be disclosed. he was relying on the advice of others whose advice, we don't know. he has not said anything about the more recent issue about the land deal, the real estate issue, dating back to 2014 with the same conservative billionaire. we wait to see if he says anything about that or again, makes a more formal amendment of those financial disclosures. andrea >> laura jarrett on top of everything, thank you so much. and joining us now is the former president of planned parenthood, planned parenthood action fund i should say so cecile, because of the questions about whether the plaintiffs have standings to sue, do you have some hope that this court will not maybe even

because of the dobbs ruling that said the states should have the decisions, would not let the texas judge's ruling stand for so much of the nation? >> i think that is a distinct possibility, andrea, because first, it's important to remind folks, mifepristone, which is the most commonly used form of abortion in the country, is safe, it's been approved for decades, used by so many women not only here but around the world, and so the judge's opinion in amarillo, the trump appointed judge, who has his own anti-abortion sentiments, was not based on any health care concerns for women or the efficacy of the medication it's really unprecedented to have a judge overrule the fda. there's every reason to believe that the supreme court could say this decision, this original decision, absolutely should not stand. now, as you said and as laura said, it's true that the

original opinion in dobbs said that this should be a state by state issue, but, of course, the judge in amarillo, his decision, if it stood, would mean that medication abortion was unavailable to all people in the country, including those states where abortion is completely legal. >> and what would be the impact of that? one of the issues here is also that he ruled he put extraordinary restrictions in the original ruling at least restrictions on how it could be used you had to be in the doctor's office, could not get it in the mail, not at a pharmacy, and the number of weeks it was seven weeks when -- before most know they're even pregnant. >> that's right. first, i also want folks to know as of this moment today, you can get medication abortion in this country. that's important to remember until we hear from the supreme court. but you're right, the fifth circuit opinion reinstated all

kinds of restrictions that were outdated and unnecessary and made -- will make it difficult if it's upheld, make it difficult for women, particularly those who live in states where abortion is no longer available, this is -- in way trying to rely on an 1873 law that prohibited sending medication through the mail. this is just incredible and the chaos that women are facing in america is unprecedented, and it's dangerous for women, it's dangerous for their health i hope the supreme court here does the right thing. >> what about the regulatory issue for the fda? because this -- if this decision does go the way of the texas judge or the court of appeals this is not based on science or medicine, and it could affect how many other prescription drugs, including birth control >> right i think it's really important, andrea, that's why we've never

seen this before where a federal judge says i'm going to make a decision and contradict the federal drug administration that we all rely on for the safety of medications in this country. it's unheard of. it's unprecedented as you say, it has nothing to do with the health and safety of women. that should be our foremost consideration. i think that's why you've seen pharmaceutical companies, the entire medical establishment, and women, be outraged over this particular decision by one judge in amarillo. >> cecile richards, as always, thank you very much. >> good to see you. during another weekend of deadly mass shootings around the country, what the top republican candidates had to say in the nation's gun lobby at their annual convention. that's next. stay with us this is "andrea mitchell reports. we'll beac bk in 60 seconds only on msnbc game with the subway . an all-star menu of delicious subs. like #4 supreme meats. black forest ham and genoa salami.

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it was another deadly weekend from gun violence across the country. two people killed and four injured in park shooting in louisville, kek keshgs, saturday days after last week's deadly mass shooting at a bank there. gun shots fired at a crowded sweet 16 party saturday. four high school seniors killed, 28 injured nbc news correspondent priscilla thompson joins us from dadeville. do they have any idea who did this and what about the victims? tell us about the victims. >> yeah. andrea, police have not released information about a possible suspect but we are confirming the names of the four victims who were killed in this shooting, the county core roney corbin holston, a 23-year-old black male, marsiah collins, a 19-year-old blackmail, smith and philstavious dowdell, an

18-year-old black male, among the victims and we have heard from many about philstavious, they say he was a star football player on the high school team and had plans of playing at jacksonville state here in alabama next year. i had an opportunity to speak with his teammates and they said he had a smile that would light up a room. we spoke to one of his football coaches and want to play some of what he shared about this moment and learning this news take a listen. >> i was hoping it wasn't true i was hoping somebody was using fireworks outside and scaring the kids we don't have any gun violence here we have to really be a family now. counseling for kids. this is -- it's going to take a while for them to recover from this. >> reporter: andrea, so much shock and grief in this community right now, so much shock and grief. we know that school is back in session today. the superintendent says that there will be counselors on hand to help students through this,

and in addition to those four people who were killed, there are 28 people who were injured we know that one hospital here received 15 of those patients, all of them had gunshot wounds according to the hospital ceo, several of them were transferred to other hospitals, in critical condition. so we could see that death toll continue to rise andrea >> priscilla, just an awful, awful tragedy. thank you for being there. and there's growing outrage and calls for justice in kansas city, missouri, after a black teenager was shot last week. 16-year-old ralph yarl was trying to pick up his twin siblings but rang the doorbell at the wrong house, about a block away he was shot in the head by a resident of the home who was taken into custody but released. nbc news correspondent maggie vespa is tracking this what do we know about yarl's condition? he's still alive, thankfully, but tell us what more we know about what happened that day

>> sure. we'll start with the condition a lot of people are concerned about the teen boy his aunt yesterday at one of the many protests over the weekend saying he is in her words healing and told he's in stable condition. despite the family says being shot in the head, twice, late thursday around 10:00 p.m. at that kansas city home, it seems as though he is recovering there's a picture of 16-year-old rarl yarl there. basically police confirming a homeowner at that house where yarl mistakenly went to pick up his younger twin brothers, the homeowner they say shot him as a result of yarl ringing the doorbell at the stranger's house. police have yet to name or charge, this is important, the homeowner at this time and released that person from custody after 24 hours, which is fueling a lot of outrage we saw in kansas city over the weekend. police at this point are pleading for patience from the community and saying, essentially that is standard procedure in a case like this because at this point a key hold up in the investigation is that

they have yet to be able it talk to yarl because he's flofrg a hospital bed, they haven't been able to get his statement at this point and they hope to do that soon. in the meantime they say missouri law prevents them from holding any potential suspect in any criminal case, even a potential felony one like this, for more than 24 hours before filing charges soon they hope to speak to yarl and get his statement and he potentially we could hear about charges and a name of the homeowner in this case andrea. >> thank you it must be so frustrating and angering for the family. >> absolutely. >> certainly hope for his -- for the youngster's recovery. well, despite the rash of mass shootings, the nra convention remains one of the first stops for republican presidential hopefuls. some of the top contenders speaking to the convention in indianapolis on friday >> with me at 1600 pennsylvania avenue, no one will lay a finger

on your firearms the issue is not too many guns it's too many thugs, hoodlums and savage criminals on our streets. >> as long as there is breath in my lungs, i will stand with you to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infrijds. >> the second amendment insures that the american people have the capacity to defend their lives, fortunes and honor. >> i am a concealed weapons permit holder myself my husband is a hunter. >> just before mike pence spoke the former vice president was booed by tenants in his home state. >> hello nra >> i love you too. >> wow joining me now in washington, senior national correspondent ashley parker. brendon buck former communications to speakers ryan and boehner and former democratic congresswoman donna edwards. ashley, appears the shootings

are not stopping 2024 republicans from, you know, wanting to get the nra and tell them what they want to hear despite a gallup poll showing 63% of americans are dissatisfied with u.s. gun laws. >> not at all. and this is not the first time the nra, because mass shootings have become so prevalent, that their convention, their annual convention has fallen after a devastating mass shooting for our country. they had one shortly after the shooting in parkland, florida, and shooting after uvalde. after uvalde, worth note something politicians declined to show up this is an issue, the issue of gun rights and the way a lot of republicans identify it as freedom. in a republican primary, not across the general public, but there a republican primary, what matters to these 2024 candidates and likely candidates, is there

is no room for dissent from the party line so it's hardly surprising, it's certainly in congress you might have politicians showing up in the wake of mass shootings to proclaim their support for guns, but it absolutely makes sense when you look at where the republican base is and where these politicians need to get their support. >> and the nra's ceo wayne lapierre was warning any lawmakers who push for new gun laws friday. watch what he said. >> gun hating politicians should never go to bed unafraid of what this association and all of our millions of members can do to their political careers. >> that's putting it out there that's a man very confident of his influence over members of congress. >> yeah. i think that was a little grain of salt. i think the nra is weaker than in a really long time. it doesn't mean that movement

behind gun rights is weakened at all. look, there's a perception i think that a lot of mesmbers of congress would like to do this but for the nra. there are a lot of republicans in congress who don't believe any restrictions on guns are the right appropriate thing to do. now, there are some, and there are probably some who are -- by stuff like that. no one has really ever paid consequences politically for not -- for being too aggressive on guns. when republicans do get out there on guns a little bit, they face swift blowback. but no one has ever lost a general election because they didn't come after -- they didn't support gun control. until that changes, until somebody loses a general election, party leaders will not be in position to push their people to go further as ashley said, the only election they care about is their primary and you never paid a price, never paid a price for being too far to the right in a

republican primary on guns and that sums up where we are and why we're all rushing to that convention. >> not just the nra. you're right, the nra is a lot weaker but the gun manufacturers who are hugely influential these are single issue voters. they have a bigger impact. president biden blasted republicans who spoke to the nra. he also released a statement reacting to the shootings this weekend saying, what has our nation come to when children cannot attend a birthday party without fear referring to alabama when parents have to worry every time their kids walk out the door to the school, movie theater or park? it is within congress' power to require safe storage of firearms, require background checks for all gun sales eeshgs eliminate gun manufacturers from immunity and ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. have we seen a major push from the white house commensurate

with the scale of the tragedy and with what they're saying rhetorically >> i do think that the -- nobody can question the commitment i think of president biden on this issue. as a long standing, decades long history of standing up for sensible gun safety laws, the problem here is in congress and it's not just all congress, it's republicans in congress, who continue to stand with the gun manufacturers against things very simple things that american people support banning high capacity magazines, getting control over the background check system so we have expanded and foolproof background checks. so these are not complicated issues for the american people but they are complicated for republicans in congress. it's a sad state of affairs that literally the president can issue a statement every other day because we are experiencing

so many mash shootings and just shootings on the street. over 500 children have lost their lives and we're only at april, mid april here, in 2023 thousands have been -- thousands of children have been injured by gun violence so there is no bottom for the pandering of the republican party to the nra and the gun lobby. >> ashley parker, brendon buck, donna edwards, thanks to all of you. >> plugging the leak, the latest on the investigation into what is called the worst breaches of national intelligence in yeeshs. congressman jason crow of the house intelligence committee joining us next on "andrea mitchell" on msnbc

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a 21-year-old airman accused of the worst intelligence brief in years is facing a detention hearing on wednesday accused leaker jack teixeira was arrested at his home and charged with possessing and sharing classified documents lawmakers from both parties want to know how the i.t. specialist was able to take documents home and photograph them. >> who wants to share information with the united states if you're going to read about it in the paper or find it on the internet. >> through life patterns that were clearly signals that he might be a likely leaker of information in the future and then also the access that he was having to this information, should have been cut off he should have never been having

access to this level of classified information that could hurt the united states. >> joining us now is justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian this is bipartisan jack reed, the armed services chairman put out a blistering statement on friday, i believe we interviewed congressman himes from the intelligence committee asking how does this happen? we know you can't take documents out of a scif, can't bring a phone into the scif. >> yeah. >> the secure areas, so how does he at his level, you know, we get that he had top secret as 1.3 million people have. >> right. >> but how does he, you know, take stuff out, take it home, photograph it, get away with it? >> so i think these lawmakers are looking at two levels of questions. one, there are obvious security failures here. you're not supposed to be able to take printed documents out of a scif or pictures, something broke down seriously then there's the other systemic

issue. as you mention 1.3 million people have top secret security clearances, by one estimate the u.s. government classifies three documents a second there's massive over classification last apparently too many people they can't keep tabs on who have the clearances there's a worry that this could happen again because they don't have a handle on all these lower level people that have the clearances >> you know, i was talking to a lot of foreign officials over the weekend, many of them here for the the world bank imf meetings and they are really upset. this is not a case where as frankly secretary blinken said in japan today he's been talking to the people at the g-7 meetings and they're not overly concerned. they are concerned in fact, the uk defense minister is in town, ben wallace, and -- he's going to raise this issue at the pentagon. >> when you think about as long as we've been covering this, it happens over and over again and the british, because they're our partner, they take it on the chin sharing very sensitive intelligence with us and they

have come to believe that we can't be trusted but they have no choice. we're the biggest intelligence collector in the world and the leakiest ken, thank you as always you've been all over this story. >> joining us is democratic congressman jason crow of colorado on the intelligence and foreign affairs committee and served as an army ranger in iraq and afghanistan. thank you very much. i've been pointing out this is bipartisan concern and the leakiness of the new jersey particular and you know the military better than i do. how does a massachusetts guardsman at otis air force base in cape cod, not only have the access but they don't have enough secure procedures to know that he's taking stuff home? >> well, andrea, this is outrageous there's no doubt about that. this is a terrible leak that's going to have consequences for our ability to gather information, for our sources to

trust us, allies to trust us we are going to have to look at reforms. i sit on the house intelligence committee. i'm a former army ranger and been to war and know the consequences of leaks like this on the battlefield there's three things going on here you have the first is the level of classification. that's secret and top secret and compartmented. people get different levels of classification the second is the level known as the need to know you have a top secret clearance, doesn't mean you should have access to everything that's top secret it's that level that seems to have failed here and then the third is putting mechanisms in place to make sure people are printing out materials, they're -- if they're accessing things in an unusual way that is spotted and detected that also is a point of failure. we're going to look at the last two categories and see what needs to be fixed here. >> he did not seem to have the political motivation, at least according to his friends who talked to the "washington post," the members of this affinity

group. he is not a whistle blow e they say. he is not anti-government, although he had some right wing, you know, ideas and is upset about ruby ridge and waco and they were dealing in racist memes, but he's not typically, you know, a snowden or a [ inaudible ] correct? >> well, there are certainly indicators and red flags here. you know, this just goes to show, again, one of our biggest national security threats comes from within, from domestic terrorism. domestic terrorists have blown up buildings, planted bombs at marathon finish lines, over and over again we see the domestic extremism rearing its head liz cheney and i came together after january 6th and introduced a bill called not clearance for domestic terrorist act that would revoke security clearances for people a part of domestic extremist groups that have vowed theories of overthrowing the

government, shouldn't be in positions of public trust or clearances i want to say one last thing and make sure that viewers understand what problem we have here and don't have here i actually disagree with your last guest we are not the leakiest intelligence service in the world. far from it. we have the envy of the world of intelligence services. we have the largest, we have the most sophisticated, provide intelligence to people all the time we're the best in the world at it this is a terrible leak, but this is not endemic. this does not happen all of the time let's take a step back and fully understand this is a problem that needs to be addressed, but we also have an exceptional intelligence service and professionals that do amazing work every day. >> and i think we would agree as would ken dilanian who has covered the intelligence community. the pentagon seems to have a proliferation of these kinds of leaks and not enough, you know, protections in place as you pointed out the need to

know, still don't understand why a mass xhu sets national guardsman, in cape cod work need to know signals intelligence involving foreign leaders and whether they were or were not going to arm ukraine it's outside of his area he's not working with nato or european countries he's not working with asian countries. that need to know, you know, restriction doesn't seem to be applying here. >> you're absolutely right that was the problem there's no reason for from what i know of this case right now or an air national guardmans should have access to the extent of that information that needs to be fixed no doubt in my mind that needs to be fixed and we're going to push hard from congress to fix it but i also want to make sure people understand that this does not happen all of the time, we have an exceptional intelligence service, the largest in the world, deal with things throughout the entire globe, and

the vast majority of folks handle this well and professionally. >> one of the documents, one of the new documents that nbc has not seen, does say that china has a new hypersonic missile that can evade u.s. defenses do you have any comment on that? >> well, i'm not going to speak as to particular intelligence matters. i'm a member of the intelligence committee so i'm not going to talk about weapons programs and intel from specific countries, but i can say that there are a variety of threats we face those threats are real it is a very dangerous and volatile world right now we take that charge very seriously. i've dedicated my life to the national security of this nation first in uniform, now as a member of the national security committees in congress and i will continue to focus on that and work in a bipartisan way to make sure that we address those threats. >> and finally f i could switch your focus to what is happening in russia. we do know now from a tweet from

the u.s. ambassador to russia ben tracy, she finally got to see the jailed "wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovich today. she tweeted, i visited evan ger show kitsch today at prison, the first time we've been permitted access since his wrongful detention more than two weeks ago. he's in good health. we reiterate our call for his immediate release, #freeevan your thoughts about this is there hope to get him out without having him go through the legal procedure there which can last more than a year when charged with espionage >> well, there is hope to get him out. i know the administration is working night and day to do so, and i'm glad ambassador tracy had an opportunity to meet with mr. gershkovich. this is what's happening vladimir putin is weak, desperate, so he's taking hostages mr. gershkovich is wrongfully detained because he is not a

spy. he has never been a spy. he has never been employed by the u.s. government in any way, shape, or form this is a wrongful detention just underscores that u.s. citizens traveling to russia should be extremely careful and you should not travel to russia unless you absolutely need to because you could end up as a pawn in vladimir putin's very dangerous game here. >> thank you very much appreciate your being with us today. the scheduled start of the trial between dominion voting machines against fox news has been delayed one day because of a late push by fox to try to settle the case out of court today. until now dominion has resisted an out of court resolution "the wall street journal" is pushing fox made a late push to settle the dispute, dominion sticking to its demand for $1.6 billion in damages we'll bring you more as this legal battle develops. battle in the streets,

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closely in touch with our citizens in sudan, to make sure that is those who are registered with the embassy and we're in

contact with get all the information to remain safe and secure. >> secretary of state antony blinken in japan at a meeting of the g-7 foreign ministers. americans in sudan are told to shelter in place as rival generals fighting for control because there's no plan as to how to evacuate the americans since the international airport is closed. tanks and war planes are in the capital of khartoum. nearly 100 sudanese civilians dead, including three members of the u.n.'s world food program. international relief agencies trying to pull their people out. the humanitarian group and rescue committee have suspended operations in sudan. a nation where 16 million people or a third of the population depend on humanitarian aid joining me is regional spokesperson for africa with the international committee of the red cross. thanks very much for being with us today tell me about your people and what you know is happening in sudan and whether the fighting is still continuing?

>> the fighting has been continuing three days almost nonstop. this morning when i spoke with our staff members they said that they had a little bit of quiet during the night and managed to get sleep, but in the morning it started again and there's heavy gunfire, explosion, shrapnel we've had pieces of shrapnel and bullets entering our office. it is extremely concerning situation and every hour the fighting continues the humanitarian situation is getting worse. >> the return to civilian rule was supposed to mark a new era three years ago, so how do these developments over the past few days set back your efforts and the efforts to bring peace and some sort of structure to sudan? >> our job is to respond to the humanitarian situation and the

humanitarian situation right now [ inaudible ] with emergency fighting is continuing with so many people who are killed and wounded, but also the humanitarian crisis in sudan did not start with these clashes we have been seeing this slowly unfold in conflict humanitarian emergency with more than 1 million refugees, one of the largest refugee populations in africa, 3 million displaced people in darfur, ongoing violence in darfur, you name it. and for us, as a humanitarian organization, it has been increasingly difficult to maintain the level of the community in protracted crisis like the one in sudan. >> talk to me about the human rights abuses that have been a long history there >> well, again, we are a humanitarian -- humanitarian organization like i can talk on -- about the humanitarian

needs in the country and the humanitarian needs have been very high and for now, with the situation with the fighting that is ongoing right now, what we are doing is we're trying also to remind all the parties taking part in the fighting right now, that is not an option but their obligation to respect the international humanitarian law that they must also provide space for the ambulance workers, medical workers, humanitarian personnel to reach people in need, they need to treat prisoners humanely and also we need like some space to make sure that people who are killed that the dead bodies are treated with respect >> thank you so much for joining us today we appreciate it. >> thank you and patriots day, the tradition of the boston marathon carries on

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rain and fog in boston today could not dampen the start of the 127th running of the boston marathon ten years after that bombing killed three spectators, wounding 281 people, some previously near the famed finish line the elite men's and women's

heats have finished, 26.2 mile course amazingly this is an emotional event for everyone involved. >> andrea, good afternoon to you. it has been an emotional one there are cheers and applause behind me right now. the nonprofessional, yet avid runners, are coming through crossing the finish line and earlier this morning, the elite men and women also finished. they weren't record breakers but they got close, evan from kenya finished the course in 2 hours 5 minutes 54 seconds and helen from kenya finished the course in 2 hours, 21 minutes 38 seconds it only happens to be her second marathon but, obviously, this marathon this year strikes a different chord because it's the ten-year anniversary that killed three

and injured so many. this weekend there were several programs honoring the victims, survivors and first responders, who quickly rushed in to save so many lives we had a chance to speak with a lot of folks here on the ground the past couple days including onebostonian who ran the race that day ten years ago and she continues to run the race for those survivors. take a listen. >> to be grateful for running. i always remember the people that i run for and the people that are lost and i always make a special mental tribute at the finish line like big papi does, looking up to the people the boston marathon is so close to my heart and i remember, i remember them. >> reporter: and, andrea, that tragic day really impacted so many lives, including david ortiz. you saw them there you saw him there. he was actually the grand marshal earlier this morning a crowd favorite he didn't run the race today,

but there are several other notables among the crowd, but it's pretty -- it's nice to be out here to kind of see the excitement, the applause as i mentioned earlier, but it does have a somber feel we're told 30,000 runners from around the world are participating in this race, but as you can imagine, security very tight because of what happened ten years ago we're told there are officers here on the ground but also folks watching very closely from up above there is a drone unit keeping close tabs on everything. >> andrea. >> just the incredible spirit and resilience of all of those people, the survive, and none of us will ever forget where we were when we forget where we were when we heard about the marathon bombing kathy park, thank you very much. and the republican-led house judiciary committee and chairman jim jordan are in new york city for a rare field hearing that democratic critics say is

inappropriately trying to target manhattan d.a. alvin bragg for prosecuting donald trump protesters disrupted the hearing this morning, some interrupting adam schiff as he was speaking, calling him a scum bag before they were escorted out of the hearing room where republicans and democrats faced off. >> here in manhattan, the scales of justice are weighed down by politics for the district attorney, justice isn't blind. it's about looking for opportunities to advance a political agenda, a radical political agenda. >> he said here in manhattan the scales of justice are being weighed down by politics, and they are, but only today, in america, being rich, being powerful, even being president of the united states does not entitle you to violate the law with impunity. >> joining me is new york democratic congressman dan goldman who spoke during the house judiciary committee hearing today.

congressman, thanks very much for being there. i know there were protests on both sides what is your take against, of course, jim jordan's contention that this is a political prosecution and new york has a terrible record on crime which is disputed by the d.a. and by the statistics >> i think it's very clear this is a political stunt, that jim jordan, two weeks after donald trump was indicted has decided to come to manhattan to try to attack the manhattan district attorney who charged donald trump. what makes it even worse is the reporting that jim jordan and others in the house republican conference had been coordinating and colluding with donald trump to push forward with this investigation. obviously crime is a significant issue all across the country and in manhattan where my district is, but it is going down in the

aftermath of the pandemic. the biggest source of crime is guns and gun violence. of course, republicans block common sense gun safety legislation all the time they refused to bring it to the floor even with more and more mass shootings increasing around our country. this is a waste of taxpayer money in order to support donald trump and his defense of his criminal prosecution it's simply a political stunt designed to do that, mask readed as an issue, as a focus on the manhattan district attorney's statistics which, of course, congress has no jurisdiction over. >> many of us know you from your previous incarnation, the first impeachment hearing when you were one of the key lawyers on the staff, now a freshman member of congress. what are you learning here today about the way this committee is going to operate right now during this rare -- i can't remember the judiciary committee

going into a field hearing before >> right this is i guess the second one they went to the border nr arizona, the judiciary committee did. this is disappointing because i think democrats would like to really engage with meaningful criminal justice reform. we not only need to take guns off the streets, but we need to invest in mental health treatment, in substance abuse treatment. we need to focus on reentry which all will reduce rec recidivism but republicans aren't interested in having that discussion they're interested in using this hearing for political purposes to undermine the district attorney that's all this was about. they don't have jurisdiction over this investigation, and they're trying to create after-the-fact rationale which

is why they don't mention donald trump at all in this hearing because they know that they're in big trouble in the lawsuit with the manhattan district attorney's office to determine whether or not this is a legal and legitimate investigation it's not they are acting as the defense lawyers for donald trump, and it's really disappointing because i and many of my democratic colleagues would really like to engage in the policy to reform our criminal justice system, to bring down crime and increase public safety we don't have honest brokers on the other side. >> do you think anything could ever be done in a bipartisan way to deal with some of those deeper issues? >> well, the democrats tried last congress, as you may remember we passed comprehensive bipartisan gun legislation in the house, but it was held up because of the filibuster in the

senate and ultimately did not get to president biden's desk. there was bipartisan legislation, the bipartisan safer communities acted in the aftermath of the eovaldi and buffalo mass shootings what's sad, it's almost background news now. we had another mass shooting at a sweet 16 party yesterday, several mass shootings since donald trump was indicted. there's no discussion by the republicans on the judiciary committee about the public health emergency that assault weapons and mass shootings are creating all across the country. 75% murders are because of guns. guns are the number one cause for children's deaths in this country now, and yet we're not having that discussion and that is a true shame. >> congressman dan goldman, thanks so much for coming out of the hearing and talking to us today. we do appreciate it. >> my pleasure, andrea good to speak with you

joining me is the co-chair of wilmer hale's congressional investigations practice. what do you make of this field hearing and the republican strategy of taking this to manhattan and alvin bragg? >> thanks, andrea, for having me on today this is what i like to call counterprogramming which is you have d.a. bragg going on offense with his lawsuit, so represent jordan, chairman of the judiciary committee is broadening the narrative, shifting the dialogue to law enforcement issues which typically poll much better for republicans. >> do you think the democratic pushback today was at all effective? they insisted on showing up, they participated rather than just boycotting it >> absolutely. i think you see a bit of the counterprogramming going on from democrats as well, shifting the dialogue to gun control.

i will say i see a lot of these hearings, and this is one of the higher energy hearings i've seen for those viewers who were able to tune in, ms. braem who is a victim rights advocate and mother of a homicide victim spoke in a very powerful way >> do they have a point about the crime in new york city >> that's a great question ultimately at the end of the day, that's really a question for the people of new york city who have to vote in the officials charged with making these decisions. they voted in d.a. bragg, and we'll see if they continue to be happy with how he's doing the job. >> where do you think this whole debate goes over this prosecution? there are some, even some democrats who feel that this is a weaker case and it may take away from whatever impact potential other indictments on

january 6th or mar-a-lago documents or the georgia case may have >> absolutely. i think there are a lot of open questions around the indictment of trump in particular i think there's a lot we don't know there we're seeing obviously now a lot of noise around d.a. bragg's lawsuit and the ongoing back and forth here around oversight efforts. there's a lot still to come on this story, i agree. >> what is his reputation, the mann d.a. in terms of being political? he had earned criticism from former prosecutor pomeranz for not proceeding right away, but doj didn't proceed either, and they had a year and a half, two years to do it now he's going all in on it? >> right, absolutely i think there's questions around whether the political pressure from former prosecutor mark mom

r pomeranz's statement and book. doj declined to move forward on the same set of facts. we're not aware of any new evidence coming out around that. so we'll have to see as this process proceeds obviously, if it does proceed, we'd expect a lot to come out through the discovery process and perhaps we'll learn more there. >> thank you very much, alyssa, for being with us today and trying to sort through a very messy situation there in new york city. that does it for this edition of dr "andrea mitchell reports." "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good day i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. house republicans are escalating