can't seem to be on the same page it's a big priority, they want to talk about. it in the budget, there is som expectation. right now, they haven't gotten it together i wonder what th planning is on your side about what you'll be voting on for next few weeks >> we don't plan too much, because they tell us about a week in advance what they ar doing. generally to this point, it' been extremist culture wars, really not serious legislation that has any chance of passing it's been a very disappointing presentation from this republican there their extremist agenda has really been taking control >> congressman daniel goldma who represents the new yor tent, in which i do live, an that's, true that's all. we appreciate it and that's all in on thi tuesday night. i want to tell you something this friday, we are celebratin ten years in front of a live

studio audience in miami you can tune in at 8 pm eastern, right here on msnbc. alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening, alex >> are you concerned tha desantis just hard that is like, shut it down no entry >> maybe if he shows that we can do a live interview. i would love that. he's a big fan of the show i'm sure >> longtime watcher an first-time guest that sounds great. i'll be watching thank you to you at home for joining us this hour this was the line to get int the delaware courthouse wher fox news was set to go on tria this morning the company was accused of defamation by the dominion voting systems a corporation even the sheer number of lawyers showing up for thi trial today was impressive the fox and dominion side look like they had enough attorneys to form a soccer team. the soccer team in suits buying the building, the court erected this mysterious canopy walkway thing presumably for

allowing jurors an high-profile witnesses to ente and exit the courtroom without being spotted. that would be a lot of hop high-profile witnesses inside of the court, the lawyers and spectators wer packed in like sardines. dominion's legal team submitte more than 7000 exhibits, including videos and transcripts, emails, texts, of fox employees and hosts. fox submitted more than 5000 o its own exhibits, whic includes clips from multiple episodes of the simpsons tha portray homer simpson voting one of them quite literall shows the voting machine changing homers vote they submitted that to bolster its case no comment the expectation was that thi trial would last around si weeks and had the potential to air tons of fox news dirty laundry, and examines the full extent of fox's promotion of the big lie. their whole world was watching to see what the implications

would be for the fox news, and really the future of news on hold before opening arguments could begin, the entire thing wa over >> chip roy, - >> sorry to do that to you mark we're learning that fox ha settled. spell it out >> well, it was a dramatic ending to what everybody thought would be one of th most covered trials of the century, neil. it was a two-hour behind close doors meeting between judg erika davis and lawyers on bot sides, lots of speculation about what has gone on the jury had been selected and seated, and we thought we ar going to open arguments, but a it turned out, the two parties were discussing the settlement we do have a statement fro fox. we are pleased to have reached a settlement with the dominion voting systems we acknowledge the court rulings, finding certain claim about dominion to be false this will reflect foxe continued commitment to th highest journalistic standards >> the highest journalisti

standards. the cases now over fox news and dominion settle out of court today for a eye-popping 700 and -- 787 point $5 million yes, less than 1.6 billion dollars the dominion has sough at trial, but is still a gargantuan sum of money. speaking outside of th courthouse afterwards, given his lawyers and settlement was proof that the truth matters and that the lies have consequences the dominion ceo says that i part of the settlement, fo admitted it told lies. if you read the fox news statement carefully, you would not see the word lie, lying, o liars anywhere quote, we acknowledge th courts rulings, finding certai claims about dominion to b false. then fox continues, this settlement reflects foxe continued commitment to th highest journalistic standards as far as we know, nothing i the settlement appears to forc fox news to make any on ai

acknowledgment about what they said about dominion beyond their media reporter reading that statement this afternoon. what does this mean for fo news in a country that continues to grapple with th fallout from a campaign of misinformation about the 202 election joining us now is davi folkenflik, the medi correspondent for npr an murdaugh's world, the last o the old media empires. david was inside of th courtroom for today' proceedings. it's great to have you here, david. i'm sorry that you traveled to delaware for nothing to happen i am glad that you are there for the purposes of this show. first, if you could give me sense of the reaction in the courtroom when this happened, lot of people were waiting for one of the most high-profile media trials of this century how is the news about th settlement being taken but >> let me give you a littl picture of what it was lik inside of the courtroom. it was stifling, about 200 people in their. that's what the courtroo holds. mostly lawyers and journalists

and small clusters of attorney that would come in from th legal aid society, people that represent that, people tha can't afford their own lawyers they hadn't seen that case before this once in generational case that was about to play out. the judge, erika em davis of delaware superior court, reall had managed this case to a fairly well. when he went out on brakes and said he would be back at 11:35 he was back at 11:35 when he said that lunch brea would be over at 1 pm, it woul be done, you would be at the bench by 12:59 in this case, 2 pm, folks were supposed to come back from lunch, and it went on. it went further, it wasn't our i noticed at 3:00, beyond an hour suddenly, you begin to sense something realistic wa happening. it was not some minor glitch i terms of an alternate juror, o something like that. i had been speaking to a senio fox corporation executive that was in the courtroom he was talking to me exchanging friendly asides

he looked down on his phone, said oh gosh, i have to go at that point, i said there's settlement, it's about t happen >> so you had a spidey sense and also good intel from insid of the courtroom, david, but d you have a sense of how th admission of guilt here is the price tag of the settlement -- as a media reporter can yo summarize the impact that will have inside of fox, and then newsgathering culture? let's not say the news got during culture, but let's sa fox's culture at the network whether or not this changes th way the business is done >> i think that the way to think about this is that there is a three part concession her by fox none of which would be fully satisfying to people that felt like the wrong was profound an needed to be marked for no just a moment of history you have foxes acknowledgmen that the court had ruled false statements were made

it is just a fact. the judge did a lot of work of dominion before that sayin that these statements were false and defamatory the last question is for the jury to say, should they hav been held culpable for that? secondly, fox having acknowledged that fact as serious as that acknowledgment was, you had fox settling fo this enormous figure certainly, rupert murdoch ca afford this, their company can afford it because of the riche that fox news generates ever financial quarter. nonetheless, it's a huge amoun of money that any fortune 50 - would have to acknowledge as significant. it's also that that figure was acknowledged publicly. they can speak to the statemen and size of the settlement which clearly had to b acknowledged publicly as par of this settlement, and sa that this was vindicated we are right, something wron happens. fox had to pay the high nine figures, it doesn't do that fo charity. it's doing that for necessity,

possibly even bigger defamatio claims what does that mean internally for fox? we're going to have to watch and see. fox news did, as you presented to your viewers, quite rightly acknowledged the statement a serious as it was, to it audience it will be aware of that i a-limited way. i think that fox will probably have lawyers sitting on thei shoulders for some time to mak sure that false and defamatory statements of fact are not presented knowingly to the public on those airwaves on the other hand, i don't expect the tone to change. i don't expect there to be any dearth of red meat, an pullback on the idea o certainly culturally conservative grievance presented to the public, or th notion that former president donald trump was treated unfairly by the deep state, an by the mainstream media, and other elements from fox. that is clearly the business model that has worked so wel for fox in recent years. they see no reason or desire t retreat from that fact, th

headline pursuit of that i what got fox into this trouble in the first place this remedy won't prevent them from doing that, it will prevent them from being so specific we need to see, maybe, and i could be wrong, you see wholesale changing of the guar at fox over the next 6 to 18 months you might see a difference i tone, but i think that ton will be fairly consistent as the years progressed >> it's hard to imagine fo giving up that mantle of the cultural grievance network especially given the fact that tucker carlson was airing th january 6th was an inside jo as this dominion lawsuit was unfolding. it does make you wonder, why if fox has this semi cavalie avid who towards this, and apparently, they can afford to settle, why they waited this long it seems like a gros miscalculation in terms of the cultural impact of the discovery phase of thi investigation. do you have any insight into that >> as you can imagine, i'v

been in touch with folks o both sides over the months my sense from the body language, the insights that have bee offered, not just in recen days, but over the periods, fo would've been happy to settle. they would've been happy, fo rightly was fearing rupert murdoch, the 92-year-old founder of fox news, appearing in the witness stand in th next day or two to b questioned quite tough ali under oath in front of tha deposition setting you have these top names including tucker carlson and sean kennedy, and all of these people being testified about what they knew and did not what they believed and it di not, whether they knew wha they were presenting to th millions of viewers. not only where they untrue, bu to be lies in the moment those are tough things to have to address fully dominion was not interested in settling this case until it ha

on, the record, a rather fulsome and complete set o facts, not just everything t proceed with the trial, bu laying out for the public an nation the degree to which there is cynicism and fear o losing an audience that wa driving foxes decisions. not some sort of journalisti imperative that had to b mistaken dominion accomplished both o its aims, in a sense they wanted vindication, and they wanted there to be public record of what went awry, looking under the rock and seeing how fox acted in this time of crisis to a great degree, dominio achieve that, even if they did not get all that they were seeking. fox news wanted to pay to make this go away the murdaugh's have a record o brushing such things off they can afford the greatest litigators in the country, and have hired them again an again. in this case, winston an strong, late by dan webb, on of the most fearsome corporate litigators in the united states they were happy ultimately t

pay, and pay more than the have ever paid in a single settlement just, to stop the bleeding, stop the revelations and to stop the attentions o news organizations, yours, mine, many others from focusing on fox and how they behaved and there knowing presentation of false facts to the millions of yours >> david folkenflik, npr's media correspondent who is inside of the room today david, thank you for your time it's great to see you. joining us now is a man who ha spent several of the past year crisscrossing the country an speaking to conservative voters, many of them likely fox news voters the daily shows jail - taking over the reins as a guest host of the daily show this week. wow indeed jordan, it's great to have you thanks for joining me at this desk. >> thank you for having me >> i would love to know, a somebody who's been in the trenches and understands wha is a wrapped-ing in the center of this country, the schis that seems to be breaking apar

these united states, when it comes to fox and its troubles, this isn't something that yo hear about on fox news this fox media reporte mentioned it it begs the question, if i tree falls and only howard kurtz makes mention of it fo ten seconds, did actuall happen >> that age old adage. >> but in terms of the folks that you have talked to in int round conservative gatherings, is it really as extreme as i it is not covered exhaustively and with theory and passion in conservative media, it doesn't exist in the outside world is. that the sense that you have >> in a nutshell, yes. as far as this dominion case here, first of all, i'm not 10 percent convinced that rud giuliani will not have a press conference tomorrow saying tha we can still win this thing. >> that alternative. >> it's definitely in this world. you see this full-throated

acknowledgment from fox news, don't think that's going t resonate with a lot of the people that i talked to. it's no secret - secret that we're in these bubbles. over the past year, out of the folks that we talked to on the road, from fox news, the already got those results that they did not like from fox news mild distrust of donald trum not winning the election, it caused so many folks to move over to news that was more comfortable to them. the newsmax, the oh why and, this question of if there will be a reckoning, an understanding? frankly, if it's a go-to for many people, just to find th narrative that works for them. >> and it really seems lik from the evidence and discover that we got, the real piercing fear on the part of fox news executives that they wer losing their audience, that if they didn't give them the good news that they wanted, the calling arizona for biden, being the first to do that was a real problem for them. that was not misplaced fear.

in fact, the audience wa saying that we're turning th channel because they don't lik what they're hearing do you get the sense that thes folks that used to be -- and are now watching oan and newsmax, wherever they are getting their news from, did they realize that they are looking for comfort, or do the think it is an issue of truth? is it both >> i don't know if they full realize that it's comfort they seek i think that there is misunderstanding of what the watch in fox, and seeing the later our, not as entertainment, but news, it's a misinformatio cap that is crumbling so man parts of this country righ now. i think more often than not, and not to bring everythin back to donald trump, but gosh darn, it every two minutes w need to get it back there. he infected the brains of so many folks with distressed the media is the enemy of th people the number one guy, the most famou person this planet has eve seen the media and the people, enem

of the people. they're telling you somethin you don't like, well i don't need to trust them i've been given permission b the most powerful man on the earth to say that i don't need to trust them right there. i don't see them reckoning wit yes, we probably should, they've been given permissio not to why not? if you trust that person, person that we have agreed t put in a position of power, if that person tells you, don't believe the things you hear, trust me over here, well the you get a january 6th you get. these moments of finding somebody else. i think the distrust i actually healthy in a workin society. misplaced distressed i dangerous. >> and it's really a profoun thing to focus on. trump gave folks a permissio slip to only do the things tha they wanted to do, say the things they wanted to, believe things that made them feel that, without explicitly saying that it was kind of like a hall pas for only doing the stuff tha feels good for you, everybod else be dammed >> you can lower that bar. we lose sight with that, m

first interaction with trump supporters was around the obam birth conspiracy it was embarrassing for anyone to talk on camera about. you would not do that in polit company. after he made that think something that you could say o tv, folks were more than happy to share i don't think he implanted tha idea in a lot of people's head but, lower the bar on what's acceptable there if our culture, our tv entertainment puts the sky on pedestal, he needs to be abl to say this, then why ca somebody else? i think that has had in effect in all things, especially this >> you mentioned that you ha been doing this work befor trump was elected. and the latter half of the obama presidency, i remember just being acutely aware i which the way the well is bein poisoned slowly, or th temperature on the frog on the pot was increasing and then it reaches a crescendo, an inflection point with the election of trump. i guess that i wonder, is ther anything that would suggest to you that the temperature can

once again be turned up? i look at the road ahead, we'v got trump running for presiden again in 2024. it's going to be a knife fight in a phone booth for the republican primary the intentional indictment o the former president, on the current one for the manhatta d.a. you, have other investigations all of these lends itself to a very combustible environment how do we prepare for that as news people, as journalists as citizens, or is it foregone conclusion that hal the country is just never goin to believe with actually happening in the real world? >> it's not a foregone conclusion our leaders can lead i think that spines on the right can do a lot of good i this country >> i guess my question would be, if they're giving up on fo news, then what wouldn't matte if ted cruz came out one day and said you know, what? this has all been a lie. what would it matter if mike pence went and said in his testimony to the grand jury, this guy totally incited a insurrection

i mean, what does any of i matter if they will give up on the very people who are tellin them the news about thes things >> two things. one, we crave teachers to give us direction, it's our don't think anybody wants to liste to ted cruz. but frankly, ted cruz and 10 of his buddies were in a position of power, they coul suddenly make donald trump the outsider in that way i think you need a majority of a party to make a choice i this outside of what donal trump is there are no spines on tha side that give anybody any indication of what we see here being any negative impact on this country or what needs to happen is embarrassment of donald trump. i talked to adam kinzinger, an what he told us that he though could happen, i don't know if could say this on cable tv, bu donald trump needs to go essentially poop his pants it sounds like a joke, but it' embarrassing it's camille complet humiliation, and i think you saw that with the midterms donald trump might not be winner, oh, i built my identit around a man that i see as a winner

through and through. everybody tells me that he's a winner he. lost in the midterms well, that's something that they could probably work around you see that hesitation. they open up the door for th sayings. we need humiliation rent donal trump. it's not going to be a revelation of what happened to his past we already does plenty o things that could be a humiliation what is humiliating is a bunch of people with spines that used t be with you who say to, much bro, we're moving on t something else that could change th temperature. >> i would have to be a lot of people it have to be a lot of peopl a. groundswell of conservatives coming up and saying, you're a loser. if those guys that claim patriotism and have those flag pins, if they look themselve in the mirror, look to tha flag pen, and was like, i care about this country grow a spine tell, this man, what is happening, and maybe people will listen to you. >> do you think -- i wonder if the loser part of, it the humiliation part of i actually cuts to the core of the saintly around folks tha want to believe in trump, wh at one point listened to fox news, may be listening to more

conservative fair these days part of this central promise o that kind of ideology, tha kind of media diet is th belief, if it offers you a way to feel good about yourself. in that it makes you fee bigger and better than everybody else the minute you're no surrounded by winners, hearing and digesting the problem of another winner, the minute you start tuning it out. >> i've been talking about people at rallies wearin capes. they feel like superman. we should be wearing capes it feels so good to wear a cape i get that it's the magic trick that he pulled we're not talking abou politics with donald trump people identify with him they identify with the mag movement you have a conversation with somebody about things that the want that's what politics is i. want this, you want this can we meet in the middle somewhere? you can't have conversations with people about who they are that is unchangeable your protective of that. the maga movement, this is who

people are that's a really difficul place. we're not trying to find som middle ground about what you want what i'm trying to do is try t change who you see as yourself it takes a big movement. spines help. i'm hoping that that is th direction. >> you can see a spine in mirror when you are looking at it to find out who you are i don't even know what i'm saying >> there's a metaphor in there as soon as you said, tha you're going to see -- but you would see or fac before your spine. this is why i'm not just hosting the daily show thi week >> i'm still getting used to i right now. >> why are you here? how can you be here? >> i'm thirsty for television. four days out of the daily show, what can i get >> we're so thankful tha you're thirsty, please com back and drink from this wel anytime you would like >> thank you >> many metaphors. this week's guest coast for thing called the daily sho good, to see coming up, the missour prosecutor investigating the shooting of ralph yarl say there was a racial component t

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they are official, they're certified, they voted for jo biden. but georgia republicans, the met at exactly the same time right behind those close doors. they are not official, not certify, they still met, the chose donald trump >> and their actions didn't go unnoticed. those 16 georgia republicans who cause played as trum electors, they were informed last summer that their targets in a fulton county crimina probe. district attorney fani w focused on no donald trump and his efforts t subvert the 2020 election. today, we learned that some of those fake electors have bee offered immunity although not all of them apparently knew that miss willis knew - she filed a motion t disqualify in attorney calle kimberly burrows to borrow i ten of the fake electors i this case. that's a lot of fake electors. we learned in the filing tha she was ordered to have conversation with her client about a potential immunity dea

last year. d a willis's office claims tha contrary to what was said in court that miss debrow and her colleague did not share that information with some of those ten fake electors. in a statement released within the past hours, she called i baseless, false, and says that she has ethically an professionally represented m climates at all times, and wil continue to do so. there remains a very big question of what kind of council miss debrow wa offering her clients now there's this the filing also claims that in recent meetings with mis willis's office, some of those fake electors accused anothe fake elector, one of the clients of miss debrow, accuse that elector of further crimes what those further crimes are, we do not know something might be beyond what miss willis has investigated thus far, which is now that yo have my attention, the dea say that that assertion creates

conflict of interest some clients who might b cooperating with the d.a.' office are levying charges against and other clients wh is presumably not cooperatin with the d.a.'s office all of them are bein represented by kimberly burrow debrow you can see how that would create some issues if thos defendants all have the same lawyer the d.a.'s office says that he representation of those te false electors has become an impractical and ethical mess and by the way, kimberly burrows debrow is being paid b the georgia republican party there are reports that she received over $200,000 from th state gop. joining us now is michael moore, former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia michael, thank you for being here it's always good to see you. i wonder if you are readin this the same way, that some o these fake electors might be cooperating with the d.a.' office is that what we should infer from this?

>> well, i'm glad to be with you. i'm not sure it's necessarily cooperation at this point, w can tell from the motion tha was filed that there was som interview, and the lawyer wa present. if these folks are saying, well, we did know about immunity tells you there's no deal on the table, there might not b cooperation efforts there. one thing to keep in mind, thi second time that the distric attorney's office tried to disqualify those lawyers fro the same group of people it is getting to be a little bit like when you run into a brick wall, and you can't ge around, it then you have t tear down. i assume that maybe that's what's going on here i can't tell if they'r cooperating. i think that there's som language in the pleating tha makes me question what the rea conflict might be, and one o those things deals with th original crime the talke about. we don't know if that simply means one of the fake electors saying that they signed it twice, and i only signed i once that would be a separate crime

if that is the case. you could arguably b additional criminal conduct, and one might be saying that they wouldn't be involved. we just don't know a lot yet the timing of this i interesting, given that things have been so quiet in this county cases >> can we talk about the timin here it sounds like there i discussion around plea bargains, if not actual execution of them what does that signal to you about the fulton count investigation? >> i think that the de probably took note after the criticism of the new yor indictment most of the indictment was criticized for not being detailed enough, laying ou that information as it relates to specific allegations of wha crimes were involved i think that you might b seeing some cleaning up their. but this seems to just be, you know, as we continue to move along further, and into this idea that the dea here i looking for that rico charge or a conspiracy charge, more o

a concerted effort that they are alleging about tha election in that group o people they may or may not come t pass, but certainly seems to b where she's headed they can talk to these fak electors at this point where it might stand, i don' know i will say that when you have case, and you have to kind o untangle the defendants from their lawyers in order to tr and get that information tha you need in order to prove you case, that is sometimes moment to pause and think abou the strength of the underlying case anyways we will see. i appreciate the fact that the raced that ethical and professional responsibility of lawyers, and the duties of confidentiality. we recognize those are sacrificing. it's an irony here, because th body of the prosecutors filing this motion, they're trying to put people in jail at the same time that they are talking about wanting to protect their rights it is a good thing

but nonetheless, it's a little bit ironic >> i don't know, it seem interesting to me that one lawyer paid for by the georgia republican party i representing ten people wh might be key to proving a rico charge >> and that can create a inherent conflict. again, this is the second bite of the apple for the d.a.' office they heard the same simila motions, dealt with at times the chairman of the state gop, how that would play out in those groups one individual separated fro the other potential defendants or at least, those targets o subjects, people of interest i that investigation as we are going forward. the kind of a right to choos which lower they want to represent them that needs to be done with ful knowledge of what th consequences might be, being advised that there might b other problems, potentia conflicts realities that might arise, and how you deal with that and it's important that the clients are advised of

that at the same time, they hav that right there are certain circumstance that the d.a.'s writing, are there certain resources in those situations you can imagine a case where you have a group of people tha have all been given a target letter, and they're saying well, let's just not talk. without that first domin falling, we don't have any o those. i would imagine that those kin of discussions are going on in the tenth fence camp again, there's nothing wrong with the idea of protectin potential defendants rights. that is a good thing at the same time, it's going t be balanced by the court about the idea, and really a sacke sight -- the -- that they have to have the lur of his or her choosing t represent them >> michael more, as always thank you for your time this evening. we do appreciate it. we have more to cometonight, the white man in missouri that shot a black teenager fo

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driving while black, it's problem. and now we can't even walk u to somebody's door and ring doorbell without fear of being murdered >> you've heard this horro story too many times before. a black teenager is outdoing a mundane task in 2012, it was a quick trip t a convenience store. the teenager was 17, and on hi way back to his father's place with a bottle of juice and a bag of skittles. he was wearing a hoodie, and h was black. his name is trayvon martin a 28-year-old neighbor, george zimmerman, claimed he wa acting in self-defense when he shot trayvon there's been a series of robberies in the area, zimmerman said he shot him because he was afraid. he feared bodily harm. months passed before he wa actually arrested and charge for killing travon man he was not charged on the spot because police say they coul not disprove his version of th events, as defending himself

that he stood his ground after weeks of protester sounding the alarm, george zimmerman was finally charge with second degree murder. eventually, he was acquitted in 2020, it wasn't an afternoo jog in a coastal georgia town. the job goes 25 years old. he was black his workout caught the attention of three local men grabbed their guns and hoppe in a truck to follow the jogger the men said that they'r administering of robberies i the area, they were scared they thought that the jogger was a thief. the jogger was ahmaud arbery the three men chased him dow and two of them shot him dead. still, they also walked away from that shooting as free men claiming that they wer defending themselves under the states stand-your-ground laws. more than ten weeks passed before these men were arrested they were eventually convicted of murder. stand your ground laws explode after 2012 when george zimmerman killed trayvon martin now more than 30 states have

laws that do away with the ide that people have the duty to retreat from a dangerous situation they encounter a their home, or even inside the public spaces. instead, a people that reall -- reasonably believes they're in danger of death or serious har can use deadly force that law tends to exacerbate some potentially fatal racia disparities. first, there is the fundamenta question of who is presence in this country is often deemed suspicious or questionable and who's really is. and then there's how the law i applied. when white americans in a stan your ground state, when whit americans shoot a black person dead and claim self-defense, the killing is ruled a justifiable homicide 34% of th time when the races are reversed, and a black shooter and whit victim, that rate plummets t only 3% of those homicides deemed justifiable that brings us to last week,

april 14th it was a quick trip to pick up his twin brothers, both 11 years old. he was 16 years old, and h rang the doorbell, but had the wrong address for the house in kansas city, missouri. another state with a stand you ground law the white homeowner, andre last, or claims that he though it was a break-in, and he wa scared to death due to the males size and his own advance age. 84 >> for the record, the milner' case is a high school studen named ralph yarl lester claims that because h was scared to the, h immediately shot yarl in the head through glass door. y'all was taken to the hospita where he received surgery to remove the bullets he was finally released over the weekend and is now recovering at home andrew lester, for his part, was detained the night of th shooting but that he was released owners later with n charges. he claimed self-defense in the stand-your-ground state. after the weekend of protests, he was finally charged yesterday with felony assaul

and armed criminal accident. this afternoon he turned himself in and as of tonight h is out on bail his arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow leicester's decision to shoo rough yarrow follows a pattern in stand-your-ground states, a white gunman who shoots a blac child or young man because o misplaced suspicion and fear in the case of george zimmerman, the law got zimmerman out of prison we have yet to see what will happen in andrew leicester's case but we will have more on the pursuit of accountability with the president of the naacp coming up next h as $300? really? and your clothes just keep getting more damaged the more times you wash them. downy protects fibers, doing more than detergent alone. see? this one looks brand new. saves me money? i'm starting to like downy. downy saves loads. they need their lawn back fast and you need scotts turf builder rapid grass. it grows grass 2 times faster than just seed alone. giving you a stronger lawn. smell that freedom, eh? get scotts turf builder rapid grass today,

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few hours ago in downtow kansas city, missouri. hundreds of people to gathered outside the police departmen calling for justice fo 16-year-old shooting victi ralph yarrow earlier today, more than 100 students walk staley how schoo and did a unity march, chantin we love you ralph. roe was shot in the head and i the arm after knocking on th wrong door he was then turned away from three different homes in tha neighborhood before anybod agreed to help him joining us now is derek johnson, president and ceo of the naacp mr. johnson, thank you for joining me tonight i just, how, what does it sa about america in the year 2023 that this young man was shot for ringing the wrong doorbell and that he had to go to three houses before anyone would ope the door and help him as he la

there bleeding >> it is not safe to be blac in america that is what this says this is a child. people would say he's a youn man, but he is a child who has done one in school, appears to be a model and friend to his peers in school. and simply got the wrong address. for my children, my 17-year-old, my 15-year-old, again, this is another top. be careful who you walk up t and ring the bell because ther unfortunately, racism may caus harm and it is a sad state for us t be an in 2023. >> i just wonder if the to could be probably just distilled something simpler, which is don't go anywhere and don't do anything. i mean, it seems impossible to ask black children to not ring the wrong doorbell, or to just have to drive in the mos perfect way possible and eve if you are doing that, they ma not be enough. i mean, at this point, it seem

like the message is explicit t a certain section of thi country, which is, you don't belong here. and if you do feel like yo belong here, you make it killed >> there are three problem with this country. there is the rush of gun violence who has [interpreter] -- public policy must address we have the unresolved issue o racism in this country that is a problem that must be addressed. and we have superspreade platforms on social media and, unfortunately, fox news, along with local news channels tha impregnate concepts of the fea of black people and black man. we have to address those things the concept of watching a ne local news and the first seven minutes outside of the weather it is all about negative portrayals of black people i you give the name of the community. that creates a level of fear and othering that causes peopl to respond in the most negativ

and heinous ways against black people and we continuously have the same type of stories and unfortunately, we must d something about it because w have not done anything about i today. >> there is also legislation that supports another ring right? it seems like stand-your-ground, we stated stats in the previou segment about ho disproportionately black victims are treated or shall i say, white shooters are treate under the law when they execut or trying to execute black victims as compared to the inverse, which is blac shooters and wright victims. do you think that th explicitly racial outcome of laws like stand-your-ground, that that rachel outcome i actually the point of danger grandma's, that have bee adopted by 30 states in this country? >> well, it is part of the effort of the gun industry t make people feel empowered b having guns in their hands and to feel as if they are protected in that castle

this was an example of a young man who run a doorbell, th door was closed, there was n president and clear danger here is young man who simply lost his way and an 84-year-ol behind his door had no reaso to believe this life was under threat other than watching the fox news or looking at the social media platforms of loca news that continuously portray us as a negative,. as violent how we are seeing on the scree is how we are treated in the streets. and in public policy, we mus change portrayal on ne segments and we must enact public policy to address gun violence and to address racism >> derek johnson, president of the naacp, thank you for joining me tonight, mr johnson. i really appreciate your time. >> thank you >> we'll be right back (janet) so much space!... that open kitchen!

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we will see you again tomorrow and i know it is time for th last word with lawrenc o'donnell. good evening, lawrence >> good evening, alex. we have both of them her tonight. representatives justin jones and representative justi pearson. >> amazing >> together for the first time on this program. we are really eager to hea from both of them. let's, we are really looking forward to it. of course, we have to cover th news of the day before we ge to that,