american people are very sic and tired of it. >> i guess the question is, th two bills that they're working on right now, curious to see that big border bill that they can't seem to be on the same page it's a big priority, they want to talk about. it in the budget, there is som expectation. right now, they haven't gotten it together i wonder what th planning is on your side about what you'll be voting on for next few weeks >> we don't plan too much, because they tell us about a week in advance what they ar doing. generally to this point, it' been extremist culture wars, really not serious legislation that has any chance of passing it's been a very disappointing presentation from this republican there any chance of passing and it's been a very disappointing presentation from the republicans. their extremist agenda is really taking control >> congressman daniel goldman

who represents new york in which i do live that is true that is allen on this tuesday night. i want to tell you something, this friday we're sell braying ten years in front of a live studio audience in miami, so you can tune in at 8:00 p.m. eastern right here onn msnbc alex wagner tonight begins rote now. >> are you concerned governor desantis shows up and says shut it down. >> he's a big fan of the show right now. so if he would love to come and talk >> long time watcher, first time guest. that sounds great, buddy i'll be watching thanks to you at home for joining us this hour this was the line to get into the delaware courthouse where fox news was set to go on trial this morning the company was accused of defamation by the dominion voting systems corporation even the sheer number of lawyers showing up for this trial today

was impressive both the fox side and dominion side looked like they had enough attorneys to form a soccer team. behind the court they erected this mysterious canopy kind of thing presumably to have high profile witnesses enter. inside the court the lawyers and spect tears were packed in like sardines dominion's legal team submitted more than 7,000 inexhibits including transcripts and videos and e-mails and texts of fox employees and hosts. fox submitted more than 5,000 of its own exhibits including clips from multiple episodes of the simpsons that portray homer simpson voting, one of which quite literally shows a voting machine switching homer's vote again, fox submitted that as some form of evidence to bolster its case no comment

the expectation this trial would last around six weeks and would examine the full extent of fox's promotion of the big lie so the whole world was watching to see what the implications would be for the future of fox news and really the future of news on whole. but before opening arguments could even begin, the whole thing was over >> all right, sorry to do that to you, mark we're just learning now fox and dominion have settled. spell it out >> well, it was a dramatic ending to what everyone thought was going to be one of the most covered trials of the century, neil there was a two hour behind closed door meeting between judge davis and both sides there was a lot of speculation what was going on. the jury had been selected and seated and we thought we were going to opening arguments, but as it turns out the two parties were discussing a settlement i do have a statement from fox, if he will

we're pleased to reach a settlement with dominion voting systems. we acknowledge the court's rulings finding certains claims of dominions to be false >> the highest journalistic standards. the case is now over fox news and dominion settled out of court today for an eye popping 78 -- not even 78 -- $787.5 million which, yes, is less than the $1.6 billion dominion had sought at trial, but it is still a g gargantuan sum of money. dominion's ceo said as part of the settlement fox admitted it told lies. if you read the fox news statement carefully you would not see the word lie, lying or liars anywhere in it quote, we acknowledge the court's rulings finding certain claims about dominion to be false.

and then fox continues, this settlement reflect fox's continued commitment to the highest journestic standards as far as we know nothing in the settlement appears to make fox news make any on-air acknowledgement about what they said for dominion beyond their media reporter reading that statement this afternoon so what does this mean for fox news and our country that continues to grapple with the fallout of misinformation about the campaign of the 2020 election joining us now is the media correspondent for npr and author of "murdoch's world, the last of the old media empires. it's good to have you here i'm sorry you traveled to delaware for nothing to happen, but i'm glad you were there for the purposes of this show. first, if you could give me a sense about the reaction in the courtroom when this happened a lot of people were waiting for one of the most high profile media trials of this century and

how was the news about the settlement taken >> well, let me give you a little picture what it was like inside the courtroom it was stifling. there were about 200 people in there. that's what a courtroom holds, mostly lawyers and journalists, and a small cluster of attorneys who had come in from the delaware aid society, people who represent the indigent and can't afford their own lawyer. they hadn't seen a defamation case before and they wanted to see this really once in a generation case about to play out. the judge had really managed the case fairly well when he wept out on breaks and said he'd be back at 11:35, he was back at 11:35ch when he said lunch break would be over at 1:00 p.m., he'd be at a bench by 12:59. in this case 2:00 p.m. folks were supposed to come back from lunch and it went further and it was an hour, i noticed 3:00, it

was beyond an hour and suddenly you began to sense something real happening it wasn't a minor glitch in term of an alternate juror or something like that. i've ben speaking to a senior fox corporation exec in the courtroom. he looked down at his phone and said, oh, gosh, i've got to go and at that point i said there's a settlement, it's about to happen >> okay, so you had a spiedy sense and good intel from inside the courtroom, david, but do you have a sense of how -- it feels like the admission of guilt here is the price tag of this settlement, and i wonder to what degree you as a media reporter could surmise the impact that will have inside fox and in terms of the news gathering culture. let's not say the news garring culture, fox's culture at the network and whether or not this changes the way business is done >> i think the way to think about this is that there's a three part concession here by fox, none of which may be fully satisfying to people who felt

that the wrong was profound and needed to be marked for not just the moment but for history nonetheless, you have faubls's acknowledgement the court had ruled the statements were false. the only question really left for the jury was should fox be held culpable for that secondly, though, you know, fox having acknowledged that fact as spartan and austere at as that acknowledgement was you had fox settling for this enormous figure certainly they can afford this, their company can afford it because of the riches fox generates every financial quarter, but nonetheless it's a huge amount of money any fortune 50 company would have to acknowledge as significant but it was also that figure was acknowledged publicly. so dominion can point to both thestatement and the size of

the settlement which clearly had to be acknowledged publicly as part of the settlement and say we were vindicated, we are right, something wrong happened, fox had to pay in the high nine figures. it doesn't do that for charity it's doing that for necessity to stave out possibly an even bigger defamation thing. what does that mean internally for fox? we're going to have to watch and see. fox news did as you presented to your viewers quite rightly acknowledge the statement as austere as it was to its audience so it will be aware at least in that limited way. i think fox will have someone sitting on their shoulders for some time to make sure false and defamatory statements of fact are not presented knowingly to public on their airways. on the other hand, i do not expect the tone to change. i don't expect there to be any pull back on the idea of certain sulturally conservative grievances presented to the public or the notion that former president donald trump was treated unfairly by the deep

state and main stream media and other elements from fox because that's clearly the business model that's worked so well for fox in recent years. in fact, the head long pursuit of that is what got fox in trouble in the first place this remedy will not prevent them from doing that it'll prevent them from being so fsk spch maybe i could be wrong but you'll see a whole sale changing of the guard in six to 18 months and maybe you'll see a difference in tone >> it's hard to see fox giving up the cultural grievance network especially given the fact tucker carlson was airing a jan 6 was an inside job special as this dominion lawsuit was unfolding. it does make you wonder why if fox at once has a semicavalier attitude towards this and

apparently can afford to settle why they waited this long. it seems like a gross miscalculation in terms of the cultural impact of the discovery phase of this investigation. do you have any insight into that >> as you can imagine i've been in touch with folks on both sides over the months, and my sense from the body language and the insights offered not just in recent days but over the period fox would have been happy to settle fox rightly was fearing, you know, rupert murdoch, the 92-year-old founder of fox news, appearing in the witness stand in the next day or two to be questioned quite toughly under oath in front of the public rather than in a deposition setting. and additionally you would have had some of these top names including tucker carlson and sean hannity and maria bartiromo also testifying about what they believed and didn't whether what they knew they were presenting to their millions of viewers

were not only untrue but to be lies in the moment those are tough, tough things to have to address fully. but, you know, dominion wasn't interested in settling this case until it had on the record a rather fulsome and complete set of facts, not all that we would have received had the trial gone forward but nonetheless laying out for the public and nation the degree to which there was cynicism and fear of losing audience that was driving -- that were driving fox's decisions not some sort of journalistic imperative that happened to be mistaken. it wanted vindication and it wanted there to be a public record of what went awry where, of looking under the rock and seeing how fox acted in this time of crisis and to a great degree dominion achieved that even if it didn't get all that it was seeking. so, you know, fox news wanted to pay to make this go away the murdochs have a record of brushing such things off

they can afford the greatest litigators in the country and have hired them again and again in this case winston strong and dan web, one of the most fearsome in the united states. but they were more than happy to pay to stop the bleeding, to stop the revelations and stop the attentions of news organizations of yours and mine and many others from focusing on fox and how they behaved and their knowing presentation of false facts to their millions of viewers. >> david, npr's media correspondent who was inside the room today david, thank you for your time great to see you joining us now is a man who has spent several of the past years ch crisscrossing the country. the daily show's jordan cleper who's taking over the reins as guest host of the daily show this week, wow, indeed

it's great to have you at this desk >> thanks for having me. >> i guess i'd love to know as someone who's been in the trenches and understands sort of what is erupting in the center of this country, the schism that seems to be breaking apart these united states. when it comes to fox this is not something you hear about on fox news we played the fox media report howard curts mentioned it and was gone in terms of the folks you have talked to in and around sort of conservative gathers, is it really as extreme as if it is not covered exhaustingively and fury and passion in conservative media it does not exist in the outside world? that the the sense you got >> in a nutshell, yes.

as far as this dominion case here, i'm not 100% rudy giuliani is not going to have a pres conference tomorrow saying we can still win this thing >> there's always that alternative. >> it might happen it's definitely in this world. and you see this fully loaded acknowledgement from fox news. i don't think that's going to resonate with a lot of people i talk to. quite frankly, over the last year the folks i've talked to out on the road have moved on from fox news. they already got the results they did not like from fox news. mild distrust of donald trump not winning the election caused so many folks to move over to news that was more comforting to them the news max, the oan will there be a reckoning, will there be an understanding? and quite frankly what there is is a go-to for many people to find the narrative -- >> that works for them it really sounds like from the evidence in discovery that we got the real piercing fear on the part of fox news executives

that they were losing their audience, that if they didn't give them the good news they wanted, that the calling arizona for biden, being the first to do that was a real problem for them, that was not misplaced fear, that in fact the audience was saying i'm turning the channel because i don't like what i'm hearing do you get the sense these folks they realize they're looking for comfort or an issue of truth >> i don't know if they fully realize it's comfort they seek i think there's a misunderstanding what they watch on fox i think seeing this as news, especially seeing the later hour not as entertainment but news is a misinformation gap that is scrumbling in so many parts of this country right now i think more often than not, not to bring everything back to donald trump, but gosh darnt it's been two minutes and we

need to get it back there. he infected the brains of so many folks of mistrust the media is the naomy of the people he was the number one guy, the most famous person this person has ever seen. the media, enemy of the people the media, enemy of the people now is media tellinguous something you don't like cool, i don't need to trust them i've been given permission by the most powerful man on the earth to say i don't need to trust them no, they've been given permission not to. and why not? if you trust that person, a person we have agreed to put in a position of power, if that person tells you don't believe the things you hear, trust me over here then you get a january 6th. you get the moments to find someone else and i think distrust is healthy in a working society misplaced distrust is heunhealt.

>> it was kind of like a hall pass for only doing the stuff that feels good to you, everyone else be damned >> my first interaction with trump supporters was around the obama birther conspiracy, the conspiracy that was embarrassing for anybody to talk on camera about. you wouldn't do that in polite company. after donald trump made that thing something you could say on tv, folks were more than happy to share that with me. if our culture, our tv, our entertainment puts this guy on a pedestal and he's able to say this why can't someone else? that has had an effect on all things especially this >> you mention you started doing this before trump was elected, right? and the latter half of the obama presidency i remember just being acutely aware of the way in which the well was being poisoned slowly or the frog

was -- the temperature on the frog in the pot was increasing, right, and then it reaches just a crescendo and inflection point with the election of trump i guess i wonder is there anything that would suggest to you the temperature can once again be turned down i we have trump running for president again. 2024 is going to be a knife fight in a phone booth for the republican primary, and the potential criminal indictment of the former president, the current one from manhattan d.a. but you have other investigations, all of this lends itself to a very combustible environment, and i wonder how do we prepare for that as news people, as journalists, as citizens, i mean or is it a foregone conclusion half the country is not going to believe -- >> it's not a foregone conclusion our leaders can lead >> i guess my question would be if they're giving up on fox news

the folks you're talking to, then what would it matter if ted cruz came out one day and said this has all been a lie, if mike pence said this guy incited an insurrection what does any of it matter if they'll give up on the very people it who are telling them the news about these come to jesus -- >> i think two things. one with, we crave teachers to give us direction so i don't think anyone wants to listen to ted cruz frankly, ted cruz and 100 of his buddies are in a position of power. i think you need a majority of a party to make a choice outside where donald trump is. there are no spines on that side or what has to happen is embarrassment for donald trump i don't know if i can say this on cable tv but he said donald

trump needs to pop his passports. what sounds like a joke is complete humiliation i think you saw that in the mid-terms of donald trump might not be a winner. huh, i built my identity around a man who everybody tells me in my community he's a winner well, he lost in the mid-terms you see the hesitation what you need to humiliation around trump and it's not going to be a rivilation in what happened in his past what is humiliating is a bunch of people who say too much, bro, we're moving onto something else >> it would have to be a lot of people, though it would have to be a ground swell of conservatives saying you're a loser >> sure, but if those guys who claim patriotism and look at that flag pin and like i care about this country, grow a spine and maybe people will listen to you. >> do you think -- i wonder if

the loser part of it, the humiliation part of it actually cuts to the core of the psyche around the folks who want to believe in trump, at one point listened to fox news, that central promise of whether that kind of ideology and media diet is the belief -- it offers you a way to feel good about yourself and that it makes you feel bigger and better than anyone else and the minute you are not surrounded by winners, digesting the problem of another win, the minute you start tuning it out >> 100%. i've talked to people in rallies wearing capes. >> who among us, jordan? >> we should be wearing capes. it feels so good to wear a cape and i get that people identify with him, identify with the maga movement. you can have a conversation with

somebody about things they want, that's what politics is. you can't have conversations with people about who they are because that's unchangeable. you are protective of that the maga movement this is who people are, and that's a really difficult place. we're not trying to find some middle ground about what you want what i'm trying to do is i'm trying to change who you see as yourself so that takes a big movement spines help, so i'm hoping maybe that's the direction >> you can see a spine in a mirror when you're look at it to find out who you are >> there's a metaphor in there as soon as you said it i'm like you're going to see your body before your skeleton >> this is why i'm not guest hosting the daily show this week >> i'm still getting used to it. >> why are you here? how can you be here? >> because i am thirsty for television >> we are so thankful you are thrusty. please come back and drink from this well anytime you'd like

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met right up there in the senate chambers they are official, they are certified and they voted for joe biden, but georgia republicans they met at exactly the same time right behind those closed doors. they are not official, not certified. they still met, they chose donald trump >> and their actions did not go unnoticed. those 16 georgia republicans who cosplayed at trump electors they were informed last summer they are targets in a fulton county criminal probe district attorney fani willis has been largely focused on donald trump and his efforts to subvert the 2020 election, and today we learned some of those fake electors have been offered immunity although not all of them apparently knew that. today ms. willis filed a motion seeking to disqualify an attorney named kimmer brly boroughs debro

kimberley debro currently represents about ten of the fake electors in this she learned to have a conversation with her clients about a potential immunity deal last year and d.a. willis' office claims that contrary to what was said in court ms. debro and her then cocounsel holly pearson apparently did not share that information with at least some of those fen fake electors. iba statement that was released within the past hour she called the d.a.'s motion baseless, false, and offensive so there remains a very big question about what kind of counsel ms. debro was offering her clients, and then there is this the filing also claims that in recent meetings with ms. willis' office some of the fake electors accused another fake elector, one of the clients of ms. debro, they accused that elector of further crimes

now, what those further crimes are we do not know something maybe beyond all possible doubt what ms. willis has investigated thus far, which is, well, now you have my attention. and the d.a. says that assertion creates a conflict of interest some clients who may be cooperating with the d.a.'s office are levying charges against another client who is presumably not cooperating with the d.a.'s office, and all of them are being represented by kimberley boroughs debro you can see how that could create some issues if they all have the same lawyer she says the representation of those ten false electors has become a practical and ethical mess and oh, by the way she's reportedly being paid by the georgia republican party there are reports that she received over $200,000 from the state gop. joining us now is michael moore, former u.s. attorney for the middle district of georgia michael, thanks for being here

it's always good to see you. i wonder if you are reading this the same way that some of these fake electors may be cooperating with the d.a.'s office is that what we should infer from this? >> well, i'm glad to be with you. i'm not sure i think it's necessarily a cooperation at this point i mean we can tell from the motion that was filed there was some interview given and if these folks are saying we didn't know about immunity that tells me there's no deal on the table and may not be cooperation there. one thing to keep in mind this is really the second time the district attorney's office has tried to disqualify the lawyers for this same group of people. and it's getting to be a little bit like when you run into a brick wall and you can't get around it and the only thing you can do is tear it down, and it seems like that's what's going on here. i can't tell if they're cooperating. i think there's some language in the pleading that makes me, you know, question what the real conflict may be. and one of those things deals

with the additional crime you talked about we don't know if that simply means one of the fake electors saying they signed it twice and i only signed it twice that would be a separate crime if that's the case that could arguably be additional criminal conduct one was saying they weren't involved in we just don't know a lot yet, but the timing of is interesting given things have been so quiet in the fulton county case. >> can we talk about the timing here because it sounds like there's discussion around plea bargains if not actual execution of them. what does that signal to you about the fulton county investigation? >> i do think that probably the d.a. here sat down and took note after the criticism of the new york indictment where most of the indictment was criticized for not being detailed enough, laying out enough information as it related to specific allegations of what crimes were involved and so i think, you know, you may be seeing some cleaning up

there. but this seems to be just as we continue to go on further into this idea that the d.a. here is looking for a rico charge or a conspiracy charge for a concerted effort that she's alleging about the election and a group of people, that may or may not come to pass, but that certainly seems to be where she's headed, that would be the only reason she's continuing to talk to these fake electors at this point where they stand i don't know, but i will tell you when you have a case and you have to sort of untangle the defendants from their lawyers in order to try to get the information that you need to prove your case, you know that's sometimes a moment to pause and think about the strength of the underlying case anyway so we'll see i appreciate the fact they raised the ethical and professional responsibilities of lawyers and the duties of confidentiality, we recognize those and those are sacrosanct

it's a bit of an irony here because the prosecutors filing this motion they're trying to put people in jail at the same time they're talking about we want to protect their rights, and that's a good thing. but nonetheless it is a little bit ironic >> i don't know, it seems sort of interesting to me that one lawyer paid for by the georgia republican party is representing ten people who may be key to proving a rico charge. >> well, and that can create an inherent conflict. but, again, this is the second bite of the apple for the d.a. office judge bernie dealt with the same motions and the gop and how that was going to play out and those groups were divided, the one individual separated from the other potential defendants or targets or subjects of investigation as we were going forward. but clients have a right to choose which lawyer they want to represent them now, that has to be done with

full knowledge of what the consequences may be being advised there may be other problems or potential confidentiality issues that may arise and how you deal with that and it's important the clients are advised of that, at the same time they have that right. the d.a. is right in this there are certain circumstances where it's an untenable situation and you can't advise them. you can imagine a case where you have a group of people, they've all been sent a target letter, been called in and brought before the grand jury and the lawyer is saying let's just not talk sort of without the first domino falling and they don't have have anything and i imagine those are the kind of discussions going on in the defense camp so, again, there's nothing wrong with the idea of protecting potential defendant rights that's a good thing. at the same time it's got to be balanced by the court about the idea and sacrosanct choice a

defend has to have a lawyer of his or her choosing represent them >> michael moore, thank you for your time this morning i appreciate it. we have more to come tonight the white man who chute a black teenager for ringing his doorbell said he fired his gun because he was scared. in missouri and 30 other states with stand your ground laws that alone can be enough for him to avoid conviction that's next.

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we are challenged just walking by black, eating while black, swimming while black, living while black, driving while black is a problem and now we can't even walk up to someone's door and ring a doorbell without fear of being murdered >> you have heard this horror story too many times before. a black teenager is out doing a mundane task in 2012 it was a quick trip to a convenience store. the teenager was 17 and he was on his way back to his father's place with a bottle of juice and a bag of skittles. he was wearing a hoodie, and he was black. his name was trayvon martin. and a 28-year-old neighbor, george zimmerman, claimed he was acting in self-defense when he shot trayvon there had been a series of robberies in the area and

zimmerman said he shot trayvon because he was afraid. he feared bodily harm. months passed before zimmerman was actually arrested and charged for killing trayvon martin he wasn't charged on the spot because police said they couldn't disprove zimmerman's version of events, that he was protecting himself, he std his ground he was charged with second degree murder and eventually he was acquitted. in 2020 it was an afternoon jog in a coastal georgia town. the jogger was 25 years old. he was black his workout caught the attention of three local men who grabbed their guns and hopped in a truck and began to follow the jogger the men said there had been a string of robberies in the area. they said they were scared the thought the jogger was the thief. the jogger was ahmaud arbery three men chased him down and two of them shot him dead. still, they also walked away from that shooting as free men they claimed they were defending

themselves under the state's stand your ground laws more than ten weeks passed before those men were arrested they were eventually convicted of murder. stand your ground laws exploded after 2012 when george zimmerman killed trayvon martin. now more than 30 states have laws that do away with the idea people have a duty to retreat from a dangerous situation they encounter at their home or even some public spaces instead a person who reasonably believes they're in danger of death or serious harm can use deadly force but that law tends to exacerbate some potentially fatal racial disparities. first, there is the fundamental question of whose presence in this country is often deemed suspicious or questionable and whose rarely is. then there's how the law is applied. when white americans in stand your ground states shoot a black person in self-defense the killing is ruled a justifiable

homicide 34% of the time but when the races are reversed, when it is a black shooter and a white victim, that rate plummets only 3% of those homicides are deemed justifiable which brings us to last week, april 14th it was a quick trip to pick up his little twin brothers both 11 years old. he was 16 years old and he rang the doorbell, but he had the wrong address for the house in kansas city, missouri. another state with a stand your ground law the white homeowner, andrew lester, claims he thought it was a break in, and he was scared to ceth do to the male's size and his own advanced age, 84 for the record, the male in this case is a high school student named ralph yarl lester claims that because he was scared to death he immediately shot yarl in the head through a glass door. yarl was taken to a hospital where he received surgery to remove the bullets he was finally released over the

weekend and now recovering at home andrew lester for his part was detained the night of the shooting, but then he was released hours later with no charges. he claimed self-defense in a stand your ground state. after a weekend of protests lester was finally charged yesterday with felony assault and armed criminal action. this afternoon he turned himself in and as of tonight he is out on bail his arraignment is scheduled for tomorrow lester's decision to shoot ralph yarl follows a pattern in stand your ground states a white gunman who shoots a black child or a young man because of misplaced suspicion and fear in the case of george zimmerman the law kept zimmerman out of prison we have yet to see what will happen in andrew lester's case, but we'll have more on the pursuit of accountability with the president of the naacp coming up next

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i just -- what does it say about america in the year 2023 this young man was shot for ringing the wrongdoer bell and that he had to go to three houses before anyone with open the door and help him as he lay there bleeding >> it's not safe to be black in america, that's what it says this was a child you may want to say he's a young man, but he's a child who's done well in school, appears to be a model and friend to many of his peers in school and simply got the wrong address. for my children, my 17-year-old, my 15-year-old, it's again another talk be careful what door you walk up to ring the bell because the unfortunate reality of racism may cause harm and it's a sad state for us to be in 2023 >> i just wonder if the talk could just be distilled to something simpler which is don't go anywhere, and don't do anything

i mean it seems impossible to ask black children to not ring the wrongdoer bell or just have to drive in the most perfect way possible, and even if you're doing that, that may not be enough i mean, at this point it seems like the message is explicit to a certain section of this country, which is you don't belong here, and if you do feel like you belong here, you may get killed >> we've got three problems in this country we have the rash of gun violence without sensible gun control that's public policy we must address. we have unresolved issue of racism in this country that's a problem that must be addressed. and then we have a super spreader platforms on social media and fox news and local news channels that impregnate the concepts of the fear of black people and black men we have to address those things. the concept of watching a new local news in the first seven

minutes outside of the weather is all about negative portrayals of black people. and you give the name of the community. that creates a level of fear and othering that causes people to respond in the most negative and heinous ways against black people and we're continuously having these same type stories, and unfortunately we must do something about it because we have not done anything about it to date. >> well, and there's also legislation that supports and othering it just seems like stand your ground, we cited stats in the previous segment about how disproportionately black victims are treated or shall i say white shooters are treated under the law when they execute or try and execute black victims as compared to the inverse, which is black shooters and white victims. do you think that the sort of explicitly racial outcome of laws like stand your ground,

that that racial outcome is actually the point of stand your ground laws that have been adopted by 30 states in this country? >> well, it is part of the effort of the gun industry to make people feel empowered by having guns in their hands, and it feels as if they're protecting their castle. this was an example of a young man who rung the doorbell. the door was closed. there was no present and clear danger here's a young man who simply lost his way, and an 84-year-old behind his door had no reason to believe that his life was under threat other than watching the fox news or looking at the social media platforms or local news that continuously portray us as negative and violent how we are seen on the screen is how we're treated in the streets and public policy we must change the portrayal on news segments and enact public policy to address gun violence and to

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