not drake nor the weeknd this song has gone viral has been pulled from every stream congress and regulators are nowhere ready to deal with a.i it's kind of fun to think about in the music space unless you're one of the artists not making money off of your own voice. >> exactly right the song is one thing, or even using chatgpt for a college essays some of these deep fakes, imagine a political ad where it's not true. axios senior contributor margaret ta leshgs, v, thank you. "morning joe" starts right now.

the truth matters. lies have consequences over two years ago, a torrent of lies swept dominion and election officials across america into an alternative universe of conspiracy theories. causing grievance harm to dominion and the country today's settlement of $787 million represents vindication and accountability lies have consequences >> fox news avoids what could have been weeks more of an embarassing coverage by settling at the last minute with dominion we'll break down the terms of this historic deal and explain the other legal issues looming for the network.

>> the obvious right here is, it was the worst of all worlds for fox news and a lot of people wanted to see all the dirty laundry put out. >> a lot of it was out. >> it was already out. there's going to be more, because there are more of these lawsuits "the new york times" this morning, oalternative reality bu now account for itself outside of the right-wing bubble how it would possibly do it was a matter of great expense. smartmatic is suing fox for $2 billion. reality is not done for mourdoch and others it's horrible that we're not going to get this trial, there's

no justice done. i said, no got to be blunt, i hate to say it, this is what happens when you have a 93-year-old man running a company and everybody's just a yes man to him. i can't believe murdoch 20 years ago would have settled this months ago you settle these things early if you're fox or if you're another business so you don't humiliate everybody at the network oh, they did that. they said we're going to be stubborn we're going to humiliate all of our anchors. we're going to humiliate all of our executives, everybody that works at this network and we're going to fight a case that we know we're going to lose because we're stubborn then at the last second, they pay $800 billion -- >> million >> $800 million.

$800 million so they've the worst of both worlds now, they've got another suit coming. >> this case was always going to settle lot of folks said, is it surprising that we're even talking settlement it's completely not surprising that happens all the time in civil cases. in fact insurance companies and defendants are known for waiting until the day of trial, until jury selection, to finally come to the table to settle that's in the ordinary in the motor vehicle accident those insurance companies, they hold on to that money as long as they can they invest it this isn't that case the bloodletting for knocks happened all along the way now in reality the case that the plaintiffs knew that and there

were overtures early on. you know what, we feel really good about our chances we're going to trial that's a negotiation strategy, i do that myself i promise you that whatever fox ended up settling for i bet that was already offered and something they may have rejected early on and it cost them more money later. >> no way murdoch was ever going to take the stand. we knew this case legally was a slam dunk, the judge basically already said for people who don't know, this is one of the hardest civil cases to prove this is almost unprecedented >> you have to prove actual malice and clearly fox thought this is where it was headed. it raises the question, danny, this next lawsuit, smartmatic suing for a billion dollars

more if the judge in the dominion case said it's crystal clear because of the evidence we've all seen that fox hosts lied knowingly about this conspiracy theory, bwhat does fox do with this next lawsuit? >> you have some really compelling language from the judge. you mentioned the elements of defamation one of those elements was deemed satisfied by the judge that's almost something that never happens. plaintiffs almost never win on summary judgments. was it false what did the defendant do? that first element the falsity was established going into trial. >> wait, can you underline quickly, this is a personal note for me, for 20 years, i've called different lawyers, this person is accusing me of being murderer, i want to sue him, oh,

no, what do you mean i can't sue them you got to prove actual malice so, i have learned unfortunately the hard way over 20 years defamation almost impossible to prove. yet, fox, what they did after the election, so egregious, that this was a slam dunk in a type of case i want to underline for everyone at home that's almost impossible -- i found out the hard way -- to take to court and win. >> most defamation cases are almost impossible to win for a number of reasons. number one, they're expensive to prove. you have to prove economically that you were harmed by this statement. secondly, normally the people who say this don't have any money to pay a judgment. normally someone who's saying

awful things about you online they live in mom's basement, they don't have any assets to satisfy a judgment this is the rare case where you have some strong evidence of falsity and people knew it was false and massively deep pockets to pay the judgment. but i would have told you, joe, most lawyers try to dissuade people taking on defamation cases. they have to front the cost. the risk is too high they like the sure thing >> by the way, i would call and say, who's the best defamation lawyer in america? i called the best defamation lawyer in america. oh, no, it's too hard. you're a defamation lawyer

>> that's what you do. >> they're waiting for the perfect case this was for lawyers the perfect defamation case. >> it was. they had thousands upon thousands pages of documents they could point to, there are lot to joe's point that were disappointed we didn't get a trial. there could be a chilling effect going forward. tell us about smartmatic, the other case it's in new york give us the time line. >> new york law doesn't provide for a news worthiness type of defense. smartmatic is bringing a similar claim against fox news and now they're only emboldened by the settlement nothing in the settlement is

precollusive none of the facts will really apply to smartmatic. they're willing to settle the case keep in mind, the reason we know about $700 million in settlement believe me that was a point that was negotiated and i bet it actually cost money. in other words, the plaintiffs said we want to publicize this frankly if i'm the plaintiffs lawyers, i don't care about the admissibility i care about the money. >> it speaks volumes fox lawyers didn't talk to reporters yesterday but the network put out a statement. we acknowledged the court's ruling finding certain claims about dominion to be false this settlement reflects fox's continued commitment to the highest -- >> go back to that ambiguity

one said, the statement, they admit -- the other -- >> this cost them. >> we acknowledge the court's rulings finding certain claims about dominion to be false really, come on. >> that's legalese >> all right, they say this settlement reflects fox's continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards we're hopeful that our decision to resolve this dispute -- >> u.s. special correspondent for bbc new katie kay.

i saw some people on tv yesterday, nothing gleeful this is an american tragedy. this is an american tragedy that's been unfolding now for over three years, a lie that's cut at the very heart of american democracy a lie that led people to january 6th, that have good americans who were good law-abiding americans turn into criminals, turn into rioters, turn into convicts who are in prison now suffering for the sins of millionaires and billionaires that's the reality and while that was going on, and this is a little personal, i swear to god, i just got back from poland, they're talking about the 80th anniversary of the warsaw upridesing i talked to a 97-year-old auschwitz survivor, i saw what

you did in america on january 6th what you did was push back what was happening in our country in the early 1930s you were fighting for the very soul of your democracy right now and the future i'll play some of that interview later on today the truth, the truth that has been slayed every day and every night cynically by people who lied on the air and off the air, mocked the very people they were lying to so, no glee here no glee here nothing to be happy about. this is an american tragedy for anybody who gives a damn about this democracy and who gives a damn about universal freedoms. and human rights

and western values, yeah, i said it, western values that's that. let's do to jim at the courthouse i don't anyone to think i'm gleeful. jim, i was gleeful about one thing, your reporting from inside the courthouse read like a grisham novel, you were talking about people sweltering, the courtroom packed, i can almost see matthew macconaughey i got to take a recess but jim, it was really an extraordinary scene inside that courthouse, take us there and tell us what you know. >> well, first of all, i heard

mentioned the courthouse steps, that's the cliche, this was the jury -- the jury was impanelled. the lawyers are raring to go, the mics were on, these lawyers were ready for combat. when that stops out of the blue and we're sitting there for hours, the rumors, was there bad sushi from lunch crazy moments. other lawyers in the room hadn't seen anything like that happen before wild moment. there you have it, settlement. which so many people have predicted all along but people here on the ground in delaware their job was to litigate and these lawyers were prepped 40 boxes brought into this building this was going to be a huge trial. just a crazy moment. >> jim, you've been covering this case for a long time, are

you surprised at the way the fox handled or mishandled this, to say all the stuff got out, all the discovery was out there for the world to see we saw the truth they still settled or have you heard from people in fox we should have settled several months ago if this is where it was headed. >> there's still a lot more to know i'm of course surprised. this was an ordinate amount of discovery. the judge allowed some of that to happen. some things were unforeseen by fox. but i'm really surprised that it got this far before it settled by the way, i want to say one thing about this settlement

amount their net income in the last fiscal year was $1.2 billion, so this is like a huge amount of annual net income, that's an amazing number >> jim, we heard from the head of dominion yesterday suggesting that there were other people who needed to be held to account, others they would seek damages from, who are they >> well, first of all, dominion has several other cases going, there's mike lindell, newsmax, and separately these smartmatic suits, i don't see how newsmax can gut through a case like fox just did look at the resources that rupert murdoch has they're a smaller company. they don't have the money to settle like the way rupert

murdoch did. >> can i ask about that, real quickly, about newsmax, when mike lindell started lying the anchor literally got out of his chair and basically in the words of -- basically said, screw you guys i'm going home. he got up and walked off the set. doesn't that show that newsmax at least tried to move beyond and made their apologies and try to mitigate any possible damages? >> well, that was certainly a moment and yeah, but the thing that surprises me, joe, is that we see those moments and then i don't know -- it never seems to be lasting across this part of the media sphere we'll see, right, fox news even during this trial, tucker carlson had been airing, he did

a special report about january 6th disputing what happened on january 6th. so, you know, we'll see how much -- now there's a settlement, people always seem ready to move on with people's attention spans to say the least. >> the statement from fox news and the comment they accept the court's findings is there anything in this settlement that will impact in a legal way possibly or any other way how fox covers the 2024 election and the outcome of that election >> again, that remains to be seen you're seeing a lot of punditry already overnight this is not going to change anything, fox will go forward the way they always go forward and maybe there's a repeat here. i do want to say, there's no planet on which fox enjoyed this process. there's no way as joe pointed

out earlier that this was good for them to have all these internal communications out in the public and there's no way that wall street's going to sit back if there's $800 million settlement there are various disincentives but are they trumped by the ratings, competitive incentives? and what the audience wants which is the holy grail in media sphere right now. >> let me ask a question, they've been number one since 1999, on and off, 90% of the time they've been number one they're a cash cow for murdoch's empire a cash cow but i read something $4 billion in cash, right, $800 million is a lot. you look at smartmatic, another $800 million, maybe they don't settle with smartmatic

suddenly that shakes any organization, any corporation to its core and the board says, okay, you're going to have to put somebody in charge at fox news that actually puts up guardrails and i know, jim, no matter what you thought of roger ailes, there were guardrails up there. when glenn beck went through the guardrails he was fired. again, there were guardrails on you couldn't like -- accuse american democracy of being rigged this has cost them 800 million, do you think that that -- the impact of another 8$800 million finally gets them to move and gets someone in charge at fox

news that puts guardrails up. >> there was talk before this trial there was a new kind of added layer of some editorial oversight, again -- >> you said this past week, tucker carlson is lying about january the 6th. while this trial is going on for the love of god. i mean, is there nobody on the board? and again, this is not about politics this is just about business. is there nobody on the board that says, you know, maybe we should stop exposing ourself to billion-dollar lawsuits? >> well, paul ryan in fact is a member of that board he had been -- >> do they let him talk? >> and the other thing -- >> serious question. it's a serious question. you know what, not to quote logan roy, i love some of these

people but they're not serious people they're really not how does any board -- i talked to one ceo after another ceo that run big companies they don't know how this is allowed to happen at a company $800 million exposure. they humiliated all of their hosts. they could have protected their hosts. from this humiliation. it's the worst of all worlds they're exposed. my point is, they don't print that much of money at what point, is there a reckoning over there puts up guardrails editorial >> another thing we haven't mentioned there could also be shareholder lawsuits, depending on how much this 800 million is

covered -- they have libel insurance -- there could be shareholders' lawsuits added pressure on the network. >> so, eddie, to joe's earlier point about this being an american tragedy, and it is, a man a couple of days ago from connecticut sentenced to 7.5 years for attacking the capitol. his attorney said he followed a lie. he believed something that wasn't true. he knows that now. the catch here as we talked about all this is, the audience that watches fox news and it's a big audience, will not hear the truth. you're not going to hear the correction of this they don't have to apologize on the air. they're not going to hear the true story and the lies will continue and those people who watch will again follow some of those lies. >> i was just thinking, willie,

$787 million, i understand its significance, there's no ap apology, no public apology that audience, which were inundated with the lie, not with the false claims but with the lying over and over again won't hear over and over again that they were in fact lying. so what does mean for democracy itself in terms of correcting what fox did. >> they see it in the wall street journal front page. "the new york times" of course >> that's fascinating too that the wall street journal, owned also by murdoch, one of the great news gathering operations in the world, there's a reporter right now in jail in russia because he was so dogged in his determination to get to the truth of what was going on there.

it's a house divided right now isn't it >> i think so. i'm getting to that passionate commentary you offered earlier, joe, and i wonder, what will this verdict -- what does this settlement mean for the issue of demo democracy? >> defamation. >> a couple years, when it seemed, we said, are there no consequences are all the laws of gravity in america have they've been removed? >> the supreme court run by federalist society shutting down one claim tried to subvert american democracy one claim after another and the roberts court, federalist society judges said, no, no, no.

every ridiculous claim they made on presidential privilege, no. they would have said it to mike pence, too, if pike gave them a chance to say no. you look at the people, i feel so much empathy for these people the people who are in jail right now, because donald trump a billionaire that flies around on 757s, that golfs at the greatest resort in the world, resorts some of which he built, that lives in a swank country club in palm beach he got them to follow a lie. and sent them $25 at the same time and they're in jail now for seven years, their lives destroyed because of donald trump and the lies fed to them on television every night. and what are we seeing, donald trump, he's indicted

people say it doesn't matter he's going to get indicted in georgia. he'll get indicted because of obstruction in the documents case gravity returns. they're feeling gravity's pull our institutions are holding it's usually the jury that fear of going to the jury and fox news hosts can lie all they want to tonight, it wasn't left wingers they were afraid of, not msnbc primetime hosts they were afraid of, it wasn't woke, t trans-athlete swimmers they were afraid of, they were afraid to take their lies in front of the jury of their peers. >> their own text messages.

>> a jury of their peers, just like the jury of american citizens who indicted donald trump. not a woke not a woke d.a funded by a jewish international banker -- no, no, it was a jury of american citizens that's what fox lawyers feared gravity returns. in the form of the american people who have the power still to right wrongs. a final note here, danny, feel free to talk about what you want to talk about. i'm wondering, what's the impact of discovery in this case? is smartmatic who's now suing fox $2.7 billion, do they start with all of that damming

evidence as they move forward with their case and they could mostly go to dominion. anything juicy in there for smartmatic they'll mine it if they can if nothing else it gives them a blue print where to look for discovery. they've already had someone litigate the same issues not only do they know that, don't forget there was a special master appoint td because fox allegedly was playing discovery games. so smartmatic knows already this is defendant that might have trouble finding all of its records. in fact there's a special master still technically appointed. even though 24 hours, 48 hours that mattered a lot more but it doesn't that much now. watching this little gags go on

and they know where to go. this case because it settled may not have any presidential effect, it has a strategic on smartmatic i'm going to ask the question that every lawyer in america wants to ask the lawyer for dominion when you have him on, was this a straight one-third con ten generalsy fee. >> we have him on third hour >> if you're an attorney for smartmatic are you licking your chops this morning, blood in water, 2.7 is what we're suing for, hey, fox, we'll settle for $1.5 billion. >> the message for smartmatic fox may litigate and litigate until the very end but they'll

settle at the end of the day, yesterday and the day before, this was not about defamation law, the elements, all that went out the window, this was more like poker because each side knew where they stood, they didn't agree and it was about who blinked first. dominion had the ability to say we're going to trial we may never know on monday when there were settlement talks dominion knew they could hold out that boosted their settlement value just by saying no >> what i just don't get, ari was in warsaw for the 80th anniversary of the uprising. we were talking before an event, we were talking about the case, i said where do you think this

is going to go he said they're going to settle. he goes, the lawyers are going to let it go right until the last second. fox's going to play tough. and then they're going to blink. he said they'll never let murdoch on the stand it was obvious to ari, to me, obvious to every lawyer i talked to, i just, again, how did fox -- again, i'm not talking ideology here, i'm talking pure business by the way, freaks at home, i'm just talking about the business side of this how really, were they asleep at the switch we all knew where this was going

to end lot of hosts really pissed off we knew we were going to settle before the boss got on the stand. but you exposed all our dirty laundry. >> yeah, humiliating text messages and it continued on the air while this litigation was pending to which the lawyers must have said, hey, guys, please stop. jim is still with us outside the courthouse so, jim, just look ahead for us, into this smartmatic case and how the posture perhaps has changed for fox news or how their strategy has changed now given what they had to surrender $800 million >> i'm always afraid of predictions. but i just don't see the same

thing happening. i don't see this case getting to re-upping the discovery. they want to walk away from that discovery as quickly as possible so logic we'd expect a quick settlement but i also think the company doesn't want to set up a buffet table for every -- they'll have to walk the line. $800 million line at this point. it's not an easy one. >> jim, we thank you so much >> thank you, jim. >> we greatly appreciate it. incredible reporting from inside the courtroom. i'm going say right now, everybody at fox, i wonder what msnbc's morning host thinks about our legal strategy, settle now, settle early, pay them the money and make sure they can't go out and report how much money you paid and then set up guardrails to

make sure this never happens again. that's what any business person would do i'm shocked. they can't let this continue danny, do you agree in. >> they can't admit too much >> fox said we can't openly admit we were wrong. if you do that, that could have what's precluesive effect. >> you talked about all the people settled a nondisclosure. walk away. this was an -- there's an old way thinking of defendants, wait, wait until the very end. that works in a nonhigh-profile case that nobody cares about the stakes were too high here.

they should have gone early to settle one more thing about gravity returning, chris last night, he's a pro >> chris sails was terrific last night. >> a nice comeback win for the sox. another note, i think that's the sound legal strategy, but fox news audience expect the lies and fox news audience will walk away potentially if they don't get the lies we saw after the election they did for a time when newsmax and one america, oan had a lift because fox wasn't supporting trump enough and we know right now, donald trump the favorite

by far at this moment for the republican nomination is still spreading these lies and is also returning to fox news. >> they're still lying they're still lying. gravity returns. they're still lying. 787 million settlement, they're still lying. what does that mean? >> that means that you can falling toward earth and you can either pull the parachute or you can keep falling toward earth. if you choose to keep falling toward earth bad things happen we're americans. we're in america they can continue to lie if they choose to do it. >> joe, i know we got to move, that analogy, if it's big asteroid that's falling to earth. >> you're changing analogies >> you're falling to earth --

>> is morgan freeman president of the united states in this -- >> the scale, you said, you pull a parachute, but the scale of what's falling in terms of our democracy, what it's done, jan 6th. >> i understand. we can live with the concerns. step in the right direction. >> it's not a bad analogy. it's an analogy i would have made in 2020 but not after this settlement, after january the 6th, after alex jones as mika reminded me had to pay what he had to pay for his lies about sandy hook. lies are having consequences not only for donald trump in georgia but for a lot of people around him. so i think it's a war of ideas it's a war between truth and lies

that's why when we screw up here it sees so important that we correct the record when we make mistakes here. it's a war it's not a war of attrition. because i think the good guys may be winning the people who actually support and try to get at the truth. >> we'll continue this conversation d danny, thank you very much. so much to get to, still ahead on "morning joe," ron desantis on capitol hill yesterday, hoping to build support for his potential presidential campaign. it appears the trip did little to sway lawmakers. >> he's got the look of like a picture with like an 8.9 -- >> by the way, iger, he crossed

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>> i want to ask you about this settlement yesterday, you actually knew the people that started up dominion. tell me about it. >> well, not the people who started dominion, the people who bought it, two former employees they started their own firm and they bought dominion, they thought it was a pretty good investment and now with this settlement even if the lawyers are paid they'll get a great return for their investors. >> you actually think at the end for rupert and fox ultimately because this one is out of the way at least, the stock will go up. >> i think so. i think the market was hoping that it would get settled. i think it will go up over the next few days.

>> are you surprised that fox let it get this far in. >> some people at fox wanted to settle it sooner but i think the other side wasn't interest in settling unless they got something significant. this is very large standard. fox has insurance will cover some of it >> so, david, let me start, i remember -- i remember watching ridley scott's extraordinary movie like 25 years ago, gladiator, and his -- how he envisioned the roman colosseum and he brought it to life and you got the understanding that this was at the heart of rome and when i read -- when i read about your series, and i look at

it, you're doing the same thing, the heart beat of boston is fenway >> correct. >> talk about how these extraordinary structures are at the heart of who we are as people. >> informed citizenry makes a better democracy the foundation of our democracy is an informed citizenry what this series does is take some symbols of our country and lets people know more about them fenway, built in 1912, now it's such an important symbol to country and baseball, when it says boston, come to fenway. eight symbols around the country that represent america >> yes, so let's take a look at

a clip about fenway park. >> the owner of the ball club decided that the red sox needed a new ballpark, he selected james mccoughlin who's a young architect, when fenway was first built that facade it looked like the rest of the city >> it opened in 1912 why did it have such a weird shape? why didn't they make it equal? >> the ballpark fits within the city blocks. i think it's one of the things that makes of fenway park. i think that's what makes it so special, these very, very unique dimensions >> beautiful. >> that's fascinating. >> so we've all heard of the curse of the bambino the red sox sold babe ruth from

my hometown of baltimore to the yankees for $100,000 it was said that they were stupid to do so and they didn't win a world series for 86 years. now, it turns out the reason they probably didn't win a world series for 86 years, they were unwilling to integrate they would not hire any black players so they gave a tryout to jackie robinson, said he wasn't good enough. they gave a tryout to willie mays and said he wasn't good enough so had had they had several black players they probably would have been a better team over those 86 years. >> probably. boston bill russell said i don't play for the city of boston, i play for the celtics. >> they have done pretty well in recent years with that change of philosophy you've got the hollywood sign, the statue of liberty. i wanted to jump to one that you said stood out to you the most, which is stone mountain in georgia. i lived down in atlanta for a long time. you'd go in to see that facade and say, well, there's stonewall jackson, robert e. lee and

monument to the confederacy. >> stone mountain is the largest piece of granite that extrudes from the surface of the earth. it's gigantic. it's been there obviously for millions of years. during the early part of the 20th century it was used for ku klux klan rallies. because of the lost of the civil war, they said they should memorialize the leaders so jefferson, davis, stonewall jackson and robert e. lee. their images be carved in there. ultimately that happened it was dedicated by the vice president of the united states in 1972. spiro agnew went there today there's an amusement park there. the images are still there and the debate is should we keep the images or get rid of the images and that debate is going on. >> i remember as a graduate at moorehouse seeing that juxtapose that at stone mountain which represents the underbelly of the country and the statue of

liberty. >> the statue of liberty is a symbol of welcome to our country but it was created by the french to improve franco-american relationships and thank the americans for ending slavery later when the poem was put at the foot of it and immigrants came into the harbor going to ellis island, it became a symbol of immigration welcoming but actually it wasn't designed for that it was to memorialize the fact we ended slavery, which the french thought was a good thing to do. >> tell us what the golden gate bridge means on the west coast >> the golden gate bridge is one of the most beautiful bridges in the world but it was opposed because people thought it would be a disaster and it would hurt san francisco and hurt marin county it took 4,000 lawsuits before it was actually built but it was built in four years. today i suspect that if for some reason it had to be rebuilt, it was crumbled or something, it would take a lot of time to get it built, more than four years but it became a symbol of our architectural genius in our

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florida governor ron desantis said he wants to punish disney by building a state prison or theme park right next door to that we say why not both? busch gardens, theme park on the outside, prison on the inside. welcome back to "morning joe. it is wednesday, april 19th. princeton's eddie glaude and the bbc's katty kay still with us. we have the host of the podcast "on brand with donny deutsch."

i'm going to be on it. >> yes, you are. there's been three holdouts, oprah winfrey, barack obama, and you. >> you've got the hardest of the three. >> you're trying too hard here. >> and former director of the department of homeland security, cybersecurity and infrastructure security agency, chris krebs joins us this morning. great morning to have you on thank you for being with us. >> we talk about gravity returning. you know, willie, as a florida guy, i am a florida man, it's never made sense these attacks on disney. what maybe people who live outside of the state of florida don't understand is -- am i hearing something? >> i'm hearing someone crinkling paper, eating doritos. >> it's off now.

>> we could hear -- anywho, continue >> what people don't understand is florida, the florida that we live in was created when walt disney said i want to build something in the middle of florida. >> with a sgmouse. >> and floridians take great pride in it. i've got friends -- >> they love it. >> right-wing friends, evangelical friends, republican friends that have never voted for a democrat in the election, they take their kids to disney world. they take great pride in it. and this is just a great example, again, of republicans overplaying -- and just, it's stupid ron desantis attacking disney. now, it's never made any sense to me. it makes sense to podcasters, it makes sense to people that have to get a small sliver of the audience and they make millions of dollars but it's never made sense

politically in the state of florida or in america. he's taking on mickey mouse. but now mickey mouse has brass knuckles because he's taking on bob iger now, i don't know if you've ever got into a fight with bob iger i have not, thank god, that's why i'm still here on tv. >> do not do that. >> but you don't do that and iger is making him look like a fool by the way, he's so unafraid of ron desantis, he said i'll tell you what we're going to do we're going to throw the biggest lgbtq celebration in the history of the world on main street disney. >> in the magic kingdom. >> do you know why he can do that because he can do that and people will still come to disney why? because they love walt disney. long after ron desantis is lobbying for the corn cob makers of america in tallahassee, florida, walt disney will still be attracting millions and

millions of people from across america every year >> big corn cob is a big florida too. >> people don't understand that outside of florida. >> i've said that for years. yeah, to your point, it's not just a feeling people have, in the state of florida, it's an entire economy it's the largest private employer it's not just that park, it's all the ancillary stuff that comes with it. bob iger has come out and said we've got billions more to spend in the coming years. we're going to be here let's remember what this is about for governor desantis. this is about one piece of legislation that the former ceo of disney objected to. we can talk that legislation as a separate matter, but ron desantis is willing to die on this political hill over that one issue. he's going to try to fight disney, which is obscenely popular in the state of florida and in america for a guy that wants to run for president. >> and that one issue gave trump a huge opening to criticize him.

his original pr plan fizzled and now he's going back with a new one to save face disney's next movement will be the announcement no money will be invested in florida because of the governor. it goes on. >> he's shocked, shocked that ron desantis is engaging in a political stunt. >> right which in itself is wonderful hypocrisy that we've become very used to. >> donny, let's just talk branding again let's talk branding. you just can't -- you can't beat disney you just can't beat it and by the way, there may be some things that disney does that everybody doesn't agree with there's stuff that major league baseball does, that the nfl does, you name the institution, they do it, that everybody is not going to agree with. but the nfl, who i heard several years ago, people are going to stop watching the nfl. nobody is going to watch nfl joe, i'll stop watching the nfl. the nfl, seriously i feel really bad for roger

goodell because he's got to have horrible back problems from carrying all the gold bullion he has to carry from the money they make it's insanity. same thing with disney and he's taking them on for some stupid woke thing that most people don't even understand. >> you talked about the brand disney what is it it's america and it's family so you're taking on america and you're taking on family values that's the irony of this they're all about family values and they're taking on the company that's built on family values and family togetherness joe, you've talked in the past that desantis once the stage starts to get bigger is going to start to wilt a little bit you can see he's got no answers, he's got no punches. he's fighting a fight that he can't win. this to me is a precursor of him on a national stage. it's just stupid it's a stupid, stupid play. >> it's one thing, katty kay, if

ron desantis is yelling at a female reporter in a tallahassee press conference, which is what he likes to do the most. he likes to pick somebody, usually a woman, and yell at them not let them talk, talk over them, then he walks away and big republican donors go, oh, he's strong, and they send him money. he can't do that to bob iger again, i think he needs to understand there's a new sheriff in town at disney. and this sheriff, he's going to beat ron desantis every time and he has he's humiliated him time after time since he's come back. >> yeah. taking on bob iger -- taking on disney in a state that virtually depends on disney for its tourism revenue was a crazy idea there's been questions for a long time about ron desantis and whether he has the charisma on a debate stage to take on donald trump if it comes to that. but i think now the questions, particularly amongst donors, are

whether hes ha the strategy and the acumen and the business sense, if he's going to start destroying his own state having trumpeted the fact he's done so well in florida and he got florida through covid with minimal restrictions, he's now turning against one of the most popular businesses in the state of florida, and he's -- i mean there's no way he's going to win. so disney has something like the gdp of ukraine, 190,000 employees. thisisn't david and goliath. but anyway, david is not going to win because disney is popular and disney is particularly popular in the state of florida. but it's the anti-business tone that desantis has taken that i think is particularly worrying to donors and republican donors who tend to have made a lot of money out of american businesses and so aren't particularly interested in someone running on an anti-business platform. >> we'll get to more politics in just a moment, but more business

now. dominion settled its defamation lawsuit against fox news with a last-minute deal yesterday afternoon. the network agreed to pay the voting machine company more than $787 million moments before opening statements were set to get under way. nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk has the details >> reporter: the parties have resolved their case. with those words, the landmark trial between dominion and fox news was over before it began. the 12-person jury was thanked for its service. fox and dominion legal teams thanked the court and everyone walked out >> lies have consequences. >> reporter: attorneys for dominion then spoke to a sea of reporters outside. >> today represents a ringing endorsement for truth and for democracy. >> reporter: as part of the settlement, fox agreed to pay dominion $787.5 million, just

less than half of the $1.6 billion they were suing for. >> fox has admitted to telling lies about dominion that caused enormous damage to my company, our employees, and the customers that we serve. nothing can ever make up for that. >> reporter: dominion voting systems accused the network of defamation and promoting conspiracy theories about the 2020 presidential election president trump's lawyers were repeated guests on fox falsely claiming dominion used its voting machines to rig the outcome. >> the machine ran an algorithm that shaved votes from trump and awarded them to biden. >> at the center of it all, dominion voting systems. are they the culprit here? >> reporter: fox news releasing a statement acknowledging the court's rulings that certain claims about dominion were false, adding it's hopeful the decision to resolve this dispute with dominion amicably instead of the acrimony of a divisive trial allows the country to move forward. >> the risk for both sides fox did not want to lose this

case dominion would have had to prove actual malice, that's a high bar in any such case. >> reporter: but legal troubles aren't over for fox news it faces another defamation lawsuit from another voting machine company smartmatic fox has denied the allegations and called the alleged damages outrageous. >> chris krebs, i think it's worth stepping back and talk about what dominion is, who they are and what their role was in the 2020 election and other elections. what they do is that somehow their machines allowed for votes to be changed from donald trump to joe biden, there are handing the election obviously that's not true and has been disproven what do you know about dominion as 1 who's been on the inside. >> dominion is one of the three or four of the main technology providers in the election industry here in the united states alongside smartmatic, who also has a claim outstanding against fox.

dominion has about 37% of the market they are distributed throughout actually deep red states as well and john poulos is the ceo who i've come to know the last couple of years, we've had to work with him of course. they're fundamental to democracy in ensuring that elections are accessible, fair and accurate. that's what technology does in an election, it makes it accessible, accurate and fast. >> as someone who has been concerned about the conspiracy theories and all the garbage that's been floating around the elections, what does this judgment say to you about the pushback against that garbage? >> well, you know, my kind of opening thoughts have been i wish this could have come sooner i think the damage has been done i think it's set into the echo chambers on the far right and across the fox news viewership nonetheless, this is accountability this is $800 million in accountability for dominion, for dominion employees, for dominion

customers, for john poulos the ceo. so ultimately it was a good day for dominion and it's not over. we talked about smartmatic dominion has other suits against other defendants. >> smartmatic is a similar company and they're asking for a billion more than dominion was initially, so it's reasonable to expect there's going to be a big judgment against fox as well with smartmatic. >> well, there's a bit of blood in the water, i think, so fox has settled here smartmatic is next smartmatic is actually a much smaller player in the election game they really only -- at least in 2020 they were only present in los angeles county so the claims are that much more farfetched as it relates to smartmatic. >> so this is a big deal they're being held to account, i hear that. but you said in the ecosystem, what will the impact of them not having to apologize in public? >> well, i'm not clear just yet that there's no on-air statements for apologies. >> oh, really? >> that we may see something

i think you'll see john poulos out on the news waves talking about this i think this is also part of the settlement is that you will be held to account for lies as it relates to democracy so i think we're still -- you know, this is not over yet. >> and a lot of disinformation about the election, i wonder is there any requirement that is rectified? it doesn't appear that that came out -- we haven't seen that. >> i don't know, but i also don't know if it would matter, right? i think this is so -- i think people want to hear this, the voters for trump in 2020 nothing is going to change their mind at this point if fox does come out and say something, they're going to say, well, they have sold out, they bought in, they still believe this north star that the 2020 election was stolen. >> so, donny, what do you think about the overall business brand in terms of the dollars and cents and the impact that this has had? >> let's contrast fox with disney, for instance disney means the same thing to

everybody. coca-cola kind of the same thing to everybody fox is one of these brands that is such a child of the media echo chamber, i was talking to somebody who didn't even know about the case fox as a brand means two completely different things. we did a focus group of people who are more progressive democrats. they would say fox is right wing, the arbiter of falsehoods and are very up to speed on dominion if you talk to trumpers, if you will, this is -- well, no, fox is where i trust they're not even getting this information. so fox as a brand is one of the very unique things that is bipolar as a brand depending on the audience you talk to for something that's such a big brand, it's so segmented. >> that's such a great point. >> and people who watch wake up in the morning -- i know, because my family, my mom did near the end of her life turn on the channel. they keep it on fox all day. go to bed all night on it and it

is fascinating -- >> so they won't get this story. >> and i see it with so many of my friends and family members where you go in. i was going to say you try to talk -- i don't even try to talk to them because it is a completely alternative reality completely alternative reality and people, i'm sure, will say that about "the new york times" editorial page, will say that about msnbc, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. but it is unique fox news is a unique sort of ecosystem in and of itself. >> you can also parallel this to say the trump indictment it's the way it's covered and the way it's not covered there i've never seen a more targeted, narrow audience for a brand -- >> but, donny, it's targeted, but the target audience keeps shrinking. >> yes, it does. >> maybe it shrinks by 0.2%.

>> that's a great point. >> maybe it shrinks by 0.4%. maybe it shrinks, but if we were a 50-50 nation -- we're not a 50-50 nation now after roe v. wade has been overturned we're not a 50-50 nation after school shootings day in and day out. maybe we're a 51-49 -- >> going in that direction. >> but again, we've seen it bit by bit by bit. >> here's the other problem fox potentially has. we talk about this great business advertisers have fleed from them if you're an advertiser and advertise on a network that has basically publicly said we lie forget that silly statement they put out there. if i'm an advertiser and getting letters from my audience, i think this hurts them even more. >> we'll see. >> katty kay, of course all of this began, all of this really started because they told the truth about the 2020 election.

they came up actually with a way to predict outcomes of states where they could actually be ahead of everybody else and get it right they did it with arizona and their audience was enraged that they were telling the truth. you actually had people running the company and tv hosts wanting -- people at the top of the organization wanting to fire people who told the truth to viewers. >> yeah. and that was what came out in all of the evidence that we saw, all of those text messages was that there was a disconnect between what they were saying publicly and what they actually believed and knew behind the scenes chris, you deal in the world of cybersecurity and you more than any of us are aware of the plethora of misinformation out there. do you think now actually we've moved beyond in terms of misinformation and damage that can be done to democratic processes in the 2024 election in particular, have we moved

beyond networks like fox are they still the biggest player in the game or is it now just so out there in the ether of the internet and the rabbit holes that people have gone down the web, that kind of whatever fox says or doesn't say in '24, people are already getting their information from sources that are completely unattributed and devoid of fact >> i think there's a lot of truth to that. i think particularly some of the social media platform its, what you're seeing happen right now at twitter, for instance, is just more fuel for the fire. fox just serves as a bit of a conduit for some of this but don't forget that dominion still has outstanding suits against oan and newsmax who are flanking fox on the right. as you talk about that narrowing viewership, in part that's where they're going and the claims are even more egregious on those networks so 2024 as i see it, the information ecosystem is going to be -- it's going to be a

hellscape. i don't see any other way to call it because at least for political -- for former president trump, for instance, there really has been no accountability thus far for these claims he continues to go on truth and other platforms and claim the 2020 election was stolen you see kari lake continues to push '22 was stolen for her in a arizona. i think it's just the new normal in politics. >> that's the misinformation side of it, but what about election security. you famously said after the 2020 election it was the most secure election in the country's history. do you still feel that way has security even been ratcheted up since then? >> that statement in 2020 was by election officials and those involved in the election process. and part of my team contributed to that as well. look, as we continue to push paper, paper, paper, so every vote is associated with a paper

ballot, that gives the ability to recount, to audit from 2016, it was just below 80% of votes cast had paper ballot by 20 we20 we were at 95%. >> so 95% of every vote cast in 2020 had a paper ballot attached. >> verifiable paper trail. it's fantastic and frankly, covid and the shift to more mail-in balloting helped that but as we continue to eradicate the machines that don't kick out a paper ballot, and at this point there's only one state, louisiana, that is statewide paper ballot but they're scattered in texas, tennessee, indiana and a couple others but we have to continue investing to get those systems out of there so that every voter has confidence that they can look at their ballot and say that's who i voted for kick it in the machine somebody brings up a claim that the election was stolen or votes were stolen by the chinese

tunnelling in through thermostats, let's go back to the tape. >> and the italian satellite. >> the italian dude with the satellite dish on top of his winnebago. i can't underline this enough or i can't have you underline this enough for our viewers banking, everything we do is centralized now. it's all on our phones, it's all on computers can you just talk about actually the genius of the american voting system is how decentralized it is. and if vladimir putin wanted to rig an election, good luck you've got 67 different counties in the state of florida and they're all individual fiefdoms. do not tell bank county, do not tell escambia county what to do. it's a patchwork all over

america. and that beautiful patchwork is the check and balance against the chinese or russians or italian dude with a winnebago rigging these things. >> i was about to come over the table because i thought you were going to say why can't we just vote on our phones. >> no! >> no! >> no, i'm saying we need to become more and more centralized, but the fact that it is so jagged, the fact that there are so many different checks and balances, i heard this in the 2000 election when it was going around. you know, the recount and everything county, county, county, county, county by the end you knew which supervisor of election that the lawyers need to look more closely at it's a crazy patchwork, but it's genius it protects democracy. >> and, again, as long as you have that capability to go back and count the votes and audit,

audit, audit, you introduce that resilience against external manipulation the other aspect to the decentralized nature of voting and the way that the states manage it, is when the incumbent is on the ticket, the incumbent cannot manipulate and i think that's in part what we were all thankful for in 2020 that an incumbent president in trump could not get in and monkey around with the election >> oh, he tried. >> and by the way, a point will come when republicans will be glad when let's say an independent candidate aren't rig the election, a democrat it protect us all. >> yes absolutely chris krebs, thank you very much for coming on this morning i'm glad you guys didn't have a fight over the table >> phones, voting on phones? please just a few other news stories before we go to break. an investigation is under way after a parking garage in lower manhattan collapsed yesterday, killing one person and injuring at least five others

images and video posted on social media showed several vehicles parked on the roof had crashed into the floor below authorities believe they have accounted for everyone who was inside the building at the time. mayor eric adams told reporters yesterday the garage did not appear to have any open violations with the city's building department. we'll be following up on that. a group of anti-abortion organizations is urging the supreme court to leave in place a lower court decision preventing patients from obtaining the abortion pill, mifepristone, by mail and other new restrictions the coalition led by the alliance for hippocratic medicine wrote in a filing that the high court should leave in place last week's ruling by the fifth circuit court of appeals that would suspend several regulatory decisions by the fda since 2016 that made it easier to obtain the drug >> i just don't see how they're going to be able to do that.

it is such a stretch from what even dobbs said the court was trying to do >> here we are >> i just don't think they're going to be able to uphold that. >> the supreme court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority put the appeals court ruling on hold last friday while the justices consider what next steps to take the fda has warned of regulatory chaos if the lower court's ruling is upheld, and the biden administration has asked the high court to block any restrictions on the sale of the drug the supreme court is expected to act by midnight tonight. >> so, mika, i'm not only worried about the safety of voting in america, i'm worried about the white house. >> you're worried about the white house? >> i'm worried about the safety of the white house you know, like a toddler, let's say a toddler. would they be able to stop a toddler? >> toddlers are very dangerous

>> they're a baby and then they turn into toddlers. >> you've got to keep an eye on them. >> so the secret service swarmed the white house yesterday after security systems there were triggered by a toddler who squeezed through the fence according to a spokesman, the secret service uniformed division encountered a curious young visitor along the north fence line of the white house after he briefly entered the grounds. the child was quickly reunited with his parents. >> what are the parents doing? >> what were they doing? did they say, hey, we're going to get a drink. >> remember toddlers, donny? >> my 4-year-old would do that >> they're exhausting. >> i want a mug shot i want a toddler mug shot. wouldn't that be great >> i want to meet this little one, very cute. still ahead on "morning joe" ron desantis goes t washington to shore up republican support, but it was donald trump who walked away with more new

endorsements. plus senate minority leader mitch mcconnell back on capitol hill we'll take a look at how he sidestepped questions about trump's indictment >> so he's okay. >> he came back and said everyone knew that i was hard headed so it's good he's doing well and back in action also ahead, the accused pentagon leaker is expected to be back in court today democratic congresswoman elissa slotkin, a former cia analyst, joins in to weigh in on that case you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. (water splashing) hey, dad... hum... what's the ocean like? ♪ are there animals living underwater? ♪ is the ocean warm? yeah, it can be very warm. ♪ you were made to remember some days forever. we were made to help you find the best way there.

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possessing classified documents pertaining to national security as well as national defense materials. the hearing gets under way at 11:00 a.m. eastern in boston. >> by the way, eddie glaude, here's another example you've got people on fox news defending this guy, acting like he's somehow a victim of oppression because he's releasing top-secret security information. and somehow that it's a deep state. again, absolutely preposterous when these same people were slamming, you know, chelsea manning, past leakers as traitors and saying they should be sent to jail. now suddenly because joe biden is president of the united states, it's cool to leak secrets to damage america, to damage america's allies, that damage the ukrainians, that help the russians still happening. still happening. >> one has to question what -- to what are they loyal to? >> i know.

>> what is the source of their patriotism >> it's members of congress too. >> marjorie taylor greene. >> a member of congress is being targeted because he's white and christian is what she said and lindsey graham went on tv and said that's one of the dumbest things he's heard. >> it's important to bring up that lindsey and other republicans are saying come on, this is absolutely ridiculous. >> joining us now, elissa slotkin of michigan, she's a former cia analyst and is now a candidate for u.s. senate. what are the big questions that come to your mind in this case >> well, look, many of us who were on the security committees, we have a classified brief later on today with the pentagon to understand the true damage that comes from something like this but i think the lessons are, look, we live in a world where a lot of young people in the military have a lot of responsibility, a lot of reaccess we need to relook at some of that and keep people who only have a need to know on some of the most sensitive things. but i think the lesson is also

accountability this guy was caught in a couple of days and they're going to make an example of him and they should in my mind because you sign an oath, you take an oath and you sign a piece of paper and say you're not going to share. so some of the quotes that are coming out from some of my peers are, as you noted, just beyond the pale, i think. and they have just lost their way in terms of being americans who care about protecting the country. so the lesson is you do this and we follow up and you get caught and we make an example of you. >> congresswoman slotkin, good morning, jonathan lemire do we have a sense of how damaging and how sensitive this intelligence is that has been now released publicly? and the second part is the question that so many people have asked me in recent days is how does a 21-year-old air national kbaguardsman, how on et would someone like that have access to something like this? >> on the question of him being a national guardsman, he was an i.t. specialist, had to have access to systems.

not sure that he had to have access to all the intelligence on those systems, but he was the fix-it guy on the systems so you sort of understand but i've got to tell you, as someone who's worked alongside the military my entire adult life, if you're asking why a 21-year-old has access to sensitive information, you don't understand how the u.s. military works. the u.s. military entrusts incredible responsibility to young people starting at 18 years old. it is not, you know, some fancy college campus it is taking young people and putting in their hands really sensitive things look at an aircraft carrier, look at a nuclear sub. we put a lot of things in the hands of young people, so i don't understand that question really what i think is fair is why is someone who's a guardsman who's doing i.t. have access to some of the most sensitive information. that's fair and how do we restrict that, that's fair. >> we'll be watching how this case plays out i want to switch to the issue of abortion or, in other words, the health of all american women

there's a decision on mifepristone due to come down pretty soon. where is this all headed >> i mean your guess is as good as mine. i hope that the supreme court acts before midnight tonight they put a stay that expires today, so that was their deadline, so i assume they're going to say something and it's going to be a pretty pivotal moment in a couple of years of pretty pivotal moments on the issue of choice for women. i think it just reflects the fact that we overturned roe, they overturned roe. certain states like michigan have done yeoman's work to preserve the right to have an abortion, but they're not going to stop. the people who have a problem with abortion, with a woman's right to choose, for women who were raped, for women who are victims of incest, for women having a miscarriage, because this drug is used for women in the middle of a miscarriage, they just don't care it's political for them and they're not going to stop. so we have to understand that, act accordingly and defend constantly, be better on our game or we just are going to

accept that they're going to chip away and a judge in texas can affect the right to choose in a place like michigan. >> and voters in michigan made a big statement on this issue in the 2022 midterm elections and perhaps in your run for senate as well. different topic for you, congresswoman, and that is the debt ceiling house republicans have said they're putting forward a bill as early as next week, but clearly using it as a bargaining chip to get spending cuts. the white house says we're not open to negotiating about the debt ceiling raise it or the faith and credit of the united states is called into question and it hurts our economy. what is your sense of how this plays out? >> my sense is the republicans have to figure out amongst themselves do they want to be the group that sends us over a cliff, that changes maybe potentially forever how american currency is viewed, how the american dollar is viewed, how -- our ability to be a leader in the economy. the worldwide economy. so they have some decisions to make but at this point they have said we don't want to -- we want you

to live under the debt limit we don't want you to spend all this money, but they haven't shown their cards on what they want it's like they have taken someone hostage and they have not given a ransom note. what do you want in order to get us out of the situation? so clearly there's some internal problems they need to work that out i actually am glad to see mitch mcconnell back today because i think he's been a more reasoned voice on this, particularly compared to house republicans, so i'm hoping they get together and do the right thing we need a straight extension of the debt limit and then we need to negotiate like adults on the budget of the united states. >> congresswoman elissa slotkin of michigan, thank you very much for being on this morning. coming up on "morning joe," senate republicans block a request made by democrats to temporarily replace senator dianne feinstein on the judiciary committee as she

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sweltering heat. >> joe with accuweather at 6:30 and 11:00. if you're in washington, d.c., right now, if you're going into work it's going to be beautiful. there's a little cross breeze if you're flying into national, they get a little bumpy. >> that voice is killing me. >> by the way, news and traffic on the 5s, huh, willie >> okay. that is my reality. on a more serious note, april is national parkinson's disease awareness month. in honor of the disease that affects more than 10 million people around the world. it's a progressive disorder of the central nervous system that impacts people's movements mika and i both of family members, we know something about this on world parkinson's day, congresswoman jennifer wexton of virginia revealed she has been diagnosed with the disease in hopes of using her platform to be a voice for those struggling and to fight to bring greater resources in the search for a cure the democratic congresswoman joins us now congresswoman, it's so great to have you on the show

i'm sorry under the circumstances. as i said, we've been in touch a little bit my father has parkinson's, has had it for 30 years. mika has had it in her family as well so i understand what you're embarking on the good news to share with you is the treatments, the community are so strong these days, particularly with the michael j. fox foundation that i know that you're engaged with already why was it important to you to step forward and make this announcement >> because i want to be a voice for people struggling with parkinson's and i have a platform to do something about it so i figure of the 90,000 of us who are diagnosed every year, i actually can do something about it so i'm going to use my platform and my ability on the appropriations committee as a member of congress to bring more resources to combatting this disease and finding a cure. >> there was great news from the fox foundation last week, a huge development about a biomarker that they found. there's progress being made every day in the pursuit of a cure from your position in the united states congress, what more do you think can be done on the

legislative side of things >> a lot more can be done. we have the national plan to end park parkinson's which is a piece of legislation i hope will get passed this year it will get all the federal agencies together and come up with ways to work together to treat, prevent and cure parkinson's, which is something which is not that far off, i hope we've got a wonderful, wonderful developments so far. that's one thing we can do we can also ensure we get more resources fighting parkinson's and getting more awareness out there as well. >> congresswoman, i want to jump on something you said because the resources are working. there is hope. and the treatments out there work and can get better. i know even my mother had a diagnosis, willie, years after your father and was able to really kind of push it back in the final years of her life. it was heroic on her part, but the treatments were very helpful. >> absolutely.

and they're only getting better, as you said, so something we need to get more resources and get them the ability to move forward and come up with a cure eventually >> and congresswoman, when did you first start noticing the signs? you are a young woman. what did you first feel and when did you know and get the diagnosis that you have parkinson's? >> first of all, thank you for that, willie, saying that i'm a young woman. i appreciate it. >> yes, you are. >> i guess in the relative scheme of things especially by congress standards i started realizing i was having symptoms at 2019 it was the clenching and curling of my toes which is a classic symptom of early onset parkinson's. i ignored it and said it was because i walk so many miles here every day at the capitol on the punishing marble floors, you know how that is but it turns out it was not just that, it was also the fact that i had parkinson's. i didn't know it, i didn't get the final diagnosis, the final -- i guess the final

ruling out of everything else it could be in december of last year so it's been a very short time i've known for sure that's what it is so i'm doing everything i can to get out and just be known and hopefully use my platform for good. >> that's wonderful. >> that's so brave and wonderful of you to do that. i can tell you just within the last week or so since the parkinson's community has learned about your diagnosis, they extend their sympathies to you of the on the other hand there's so glad there's someone in the united states congress who understands this and will be fighting from the inside with all the incredible work being done on the outside. >> if yyou don't got it, you don't get it there's been outreach and it's wonderful. i love this community. i'm going to fight for you guys every single day. >> that's amazing to hear. we'll be in the fight with you jennifer wexton, we wish you good luck and good health. thanks for being here this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next here, netflix is looking for new ways to add

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new york city at 7:52 in the morning from the top of the building at rockefeller center baseball's first two-way star since babe ruth was in new york yesterday for the start of a three-game series against the lakers, and he opened the scoring with a laser in the first inning, and that came 100 years to the date that babe ruth hit the first home run ever at the original stadium in the bronx. the angels went on to beat the

yankees, 5-2 there's just no comparison this is the best player in baseball >> yeah, he's the best player in baseball a remarkable story he is our babe ruth. fitting that he did this at yankee stadium last night. he's one of the best pitchers in the league and hitters in the league he's been the face of the game >> but they are not doing a good job with the face of the game. >> when is the last time you have seen his face -- >> yeah, trout, in particular, is somebody that does seem to love the spotlight ohtani, we will see. we would love to see him in a bigger market. he would like to stay on the west coast, and that could be the dodgers. >> don't bet against my man.

unbelievable scene in the nhl playoffs a skate to his face. he gets to the locker room and gets 75 stitches to close the cut before -- are you ready for this -- running to the game. he comes back to the game in less than a period later to help his team get the victory >> hockey players are just different. probably got grief from his teammates for even missing a shift and then he's back -- >> what? 75 stitches. >> yeah, 75 stitches >> they are different. this is a great story. less than four months after damar hamlin's heart literally stopped on the field during a

monday night football game, he has been cleared to return to football he spent ten days recovering in hospitals in cincinnati and buffalo before he was released he began to visit the bill's facility before attending the seasonal loss in the playoffs, and now is participating in voluntary workouts with the team >> this event was life changing, but it's not the end of my story miles so i am here to announce i am coming back to the nhl it was a blessing just to make it to the nhl, and to make it out of my situation, almost without a scratch on me and to have all the blessings coming my way, it's one of those things where you -- i am just trying to figure out the best way to

repay. you know what i mean i have been beating statistics my whole life, you know, and some people might say coming back to play may not be the best option, but that's their opinion. like i said, i have been beating statistics my whole life so i like my chances here >> this is what he said at the briefing he said i died on fnational tv. we talk about darkness in the country on the show a lot, but the way they rallied around him, and the charity, and it was a beautiful moment >> we know how brutal that sport can be, but the grit and resilience being shown is amazing. what we see in all three stories is simply the amazing quality of

these modern athletes. >> yeah. >> i am a small guy, and to think about these folks and what they do, it's incredible >> talking about the polarization, that's one of the rare moments the entire country got behind something >> would you come and sit down, please >> they don't know that he roams -- sometime he just roams. >> did you go into the locker room and get 75 stitches no, okay >> he ate 75 phmunchkins. >> willie, why don't you take us to break >> i like jelly, occasionally as a nice street. >> this is like trump in the debate all over >> when we were growing up we would go to church in upstate new york, and we would go to

dunkin' donuts -- >> do you have a microphone on >> no. what was it, the greatest hits in 1979, and before we went to church my dad would get us dunkin' donuts and i would get the chocolate glazed >> we don't do this. >> and then we would roll into church >> you opened a can of worms >> hot krispy kremes >> i could have a dozen of those. >> catholic high in pensacola, it's right there don't cry for me, argentina. i love the donuts. >> god, we'll be right back.

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with more insight on this landmark case as the network will pay $787 million for airing false claims about the 2020 election also standing by, georgia secretary of state, brad raftence burger. let's get right to our top story. dominion settled its defamation case against fox news. the network agreed to pay the company $787 million moments before opening statements were set to get under way fox's lawyers did not talk yesterday. we acknowledge the courts

rulings, finding certain claims about dominion to be false this settlement reflects fox's continued commitment to the highest -- >> it's hard >> can't get through that. >> we are hopeful that our -- >> my torts professor would talk about the straight face test don't ever make an argument that you can't say in front of a mirror in the morning that you can't pass the state face test >> it allows the country to move forward from these issues. i am not sure that is going to happen the settlement does not require fox to issue an on-air apology it's not clear if there are any other consequences for the network. this deal does not end fox's legal issues over false claims about election fraud it's still facing a $2.7 billion

lawsuit against smart mattic >> we have the cocounsel for dominion we talk about fox, and we talk about election and talk about politics we talk about ideology but, you know, you brought up such an important point yesterday. this is also about people, people that went to work for a company and who were threatened for doing their jobs, doing their jobs fairly and doing their jobs well. tell me how much of this settlement is going to reach those people whose lives were actually threatened? >> well, many of the dominion employees are shareholders or have options and other equity interests so they will see it for sure the vindication is the number, the number itself also helps prove to themselves and to the world exactly what fox did and

fox is taking some measure of acc accountability for it. >> many observers were surprised at the way fox handled this, which is to say let all this discovery spill out into the open and see all the evidence that worked against them and then just to settle in the end when they could have spared themselves some embarrassment. on the other side of this case, are you surprised they let it go on as long as they did >> very surprised to an extent i know some people are disappointed there is not going to be a trial. but dominion did not settle this case last year and they made sure the documents got out in the public record, and hundreds and hundreds of records proved what fox was doing behind the scenes when they were broadcasting the lies to all of us people need to remember, dominion went through that and made sure the documents got out there and only at the courthouse

steps were they able to settle after getting the truth out. >> i am looking at the list of dominion lawsuits out standing, mike lindell of mr. pillow, and news max, oan -- what is the message to those companies and individuals sent by this $787 million decision >> the $787 million and the documents and truth getting out. the truth will get out for them too. we are going to get all the truth out on all the other lawsuits, and we will get there. >> i am curious. you have talked about getting the truth out and how this helped with that i want to question that. there's a whole different world that watches fox, and by the way, they are number one in many ways there are millions of viewers that will not get this news. what do you say to that? >> i think that's -- i think

that's a shame if you look at what would happen in a trial, i could tell you because i saw what their opening statements slides looked like. they were going to gaslight. they were not going to get rupert murdoch on the stand and he was going to say he had no idea, and the hosts were going to say they were having open minds, and they would have to come in with the documents and we had to prove they were lying when they were saying they had an open mind you are right, mika, we can't make fox report on this and we couldn't make fox news report on the trial, even if it happened >> couldn't you hold out for an apology? >> i think that's something what people expected, and they caused such harm not only to the company and its employees and

many would argue to american democracy. >> i agree with everything you just said. i think the apology is a little bit the wrong thing to be asking for. what we wanted is the truth. a forced apology is not worth much they are adults and they know how to do this, and they still have the opportunity to do that. in depositions we asked them why they would not do that, and they said it was old news now, which is ironic. it is what it is >> no indication they are going to change their editorial track on that one. last night your ceo said fox gave a press statement in which he said fox admitted to telling lies where does fox admit to telling lies i have not heard them say that as frankly as that >> they conceded the judge's ruling which ruled they were telling lies they also conceded in all of the

court filings that came out in january and february we put in evidence where they admitted to most of the lies then when it came time for them to oppose the summary judgment motion, they said we would not oppose it, they conceded it was always false and they were not going to fight falsely at a trial. that's an admission, and it's complicated if you look at the legal papers >> we know there are other legal perils for fox what is the sense here, what you have done is provide a road map there? what is your expectations for the further troubles for fox >> well, smartmatic, they have a road map on how to pursue their

case, and i wish them the best >> it will be fun watching you get a little nervous here. but danny was on earlier today, and he said i guarantee, make sure to ask him -- i guarantee you, every lawyer in america wants to know did he get -- did the lawyers get a straight one-third fee from this? we ask that question for danny cevallos and every lawyer in america. >> i can't answer that, joe. i can't answer that. i am proud to have represented dominion in the case and that's all i can tell you >> before i let you go, steven, i don't think americans have any idea how hard it is to prove defamation i said earlier this morning, i know this firsthand because over the past 20 years random people

have accused me of being a murderer -- >> not random. >> well, from people online to the president of the united states, and people on that network. every defamation lawyer i went to said it's horrible, we understand -- they told me what they tell most people who want to sue for defamation, it's too hard to prove. you can't prove it you can't prove state of mind. what they did was wrong and terrible, but the standard is so high in american jurisprudence while that is very frustrating for me, i understand i understand but i don't think americans understand today this morning, what a big deal it is that fox news not only had to settle this, but had to settle for what you say is the largest fee in the history of american judicial

system for defamation. can you briefly explain how hard it is to prove defamation and what a huge deal it is that they were certain to lose this case, so they had to pay almost $800 million. >> you are kpapbexactly right, e it should be hard to win a defamation case to an extent if you are a public figure, you have to prove the defamer recklessly disregarded the truth, and you have to do it with documents and you don't usually get documents like this in a defamation case this case was not about mistakes it was about deliberate deception over and over and over again. fox new that that's why fox paid $787.5 million to settle a case because they knew that they were on the look given the evidence of their

lie, their deliberate lies >> co lead counsel for dominion voting systems thank you for coming on the show this morning >> greatly appreciate it >> thank you let's bring into the conversation, georgia's secretary of state it's good to have you back on the show with us your reaction to the judgment of almost $788 million against fox news for dominion voting systems? you dealt with all these conspiracy theories yourself and to your credit you have stood up to donald trump and others who wanted to switch votes in your state. what do you think of the judgment >> it's vindication. we have been saying this over 2 1/2 years, that we had a fair and honest election in georgia yesterday was a vindication. i know it has been a hard-fought battle for dominion but also for

the people of georgia and our nation all this disinformation, lies, deceit, whatever you want to call it, it ripped apart our country. we needlessly have been having this confrontation because in georgia we had fair and free el elections and yesterday we were vindicated >> it's another blow, we have had all the court decisions that prove those theories were wrong, and we have seen time and again those people who even in the mid-term elections who continued to push the conspiracy theories voted down or out of office, and how big of a message is this and does it get into the ears of the people that need to hear it? >> it should have gotten into the peoples' ears. i had a landslide re-election victory. i travelled the state of georgia for two years and explained to

people exactly what happened and did not happen so they had the information. in georgia, we figured it out and moved forward i am grateful for that i hope the rest of the country will start to move forward and realize you have to build your campaign on what your principles are, and by the facts. >> how do we begin to rebuild the trust eroded by this conspiracy theory by those that believe that somehow our democratic process, election systems have been compromised by the hyperbipartisanship. we get the settlement with dominion, and how do we begin to rebuild the trugst folks are still doubtful about the election system? >> i think voters will hold the

politicians accountable at the ballot box that's a good thing, and that's when the rubber meets the road we have had great success in georgia and moved past that. we have broad-based coalition on that because character matter. the average american is worried about their pocketbook issues, and they go about their business and they are honest and hard-working people. that's what they are expecting from their leadership, and that's what will be rewarded i am looking forward to republicans starting to put forth at all levels people of character so we can continue to build our party. we have great people out there in the country and they have been fighting this battle, and i was the chief election official and i had a great team that supported me we stood fast in the truth, and

yesterday the truth was vindicated >> talking about character and choices and your experience at being at the tip of the sphere, and it's possible donald trump would be the republican party nominee, and would you support him? >> i have been clear, what i am looking for is somebody who has integrity, and a touch of kindness, as ronald reagan said. when that comes together, that's how you build confidence and unified and diversified teams, and that's what i am looking for. >> if it is donald trump, is that a no then >> i think i have been pretty clear on what my position is >> yep >> mr. secretary, whether he has your secretary or not, there's a chance he will be the nominee,

how is your state that will be one of the top battle ground states again in the upcoming election, how does your state prepare for that onslaught that is coming? >> i think people need to take a look at the history of georgia, because stacey abrams lost twice and both times was never supported by the facts, and i think people will lean in to look for character and people are going to accomplish something. this is not about sound bites. it's about doing the hard work of making america better what makes america better is when we have better policies and you have to work across the aisle. it's a 50 plus one country, and you don't know which way that 50 plus one will go you have to build broad-based coalitions and that's what i have done in georgia >> can i ask you quickly, we play that phone call, that extraordinary phone call, and

some would say a perfect phone call if you are a prosecutor in the state of georgia between donald trump and you it's really one of the most extraordinary recordings we have ever heard before. >> pitch perfect >> i am curious, as the d.a. is considering bringing charges against the former president, i know that's not your job and you are not to draw any conclusions there. i am wondering when you recorded that phone call if you thought, based on the georgia laws the president could have broken there that what he was saying was an attempt to throw the election and violate some basic laws in georgia? >> well, i think the benefit of having that recording out there on the internet is anybody in america can listen to it, and anybody in america can come to their own conclusion i never doubted the common sense

and the good values of american people, and they can come to the conclusion if they listen to it. >> what was your conclusion? >> we stood fast on the law, and that's what i told donald trump, there were not 5,000 dead people, there was two. there was four total dead people that voted the facts are that donald trump came up short. 24,000 georgians didn't vote for either candidate, and they voted down the ballot on different races. that's why president trump came up short our republican congressman got 34,000 more votes than donald trump did. that's why the man came up short. people need to quit whining and

move on. maybe hire better political consultants, and do whatever it takes. you can realize this is why you lost and you got to go and try and little harder. this game of politics is not really a game. what it is, it's about your character. when times get tough your character will be revealed and it's been revealed to everybody over the past two years. >> secretary of state, thank you very much, sir, for being on this morning >> mr. secretary, thank you so much greatly appreciate it. willie, what he said was just what ron johnson got caught on camera when he didn't know he was on camera saying -- he told that person about all the under roads that donald trump had in wisconsin, that everybody that ran statewide, republicans got 50, 55,000 more votes than he did.

the legislature candidates all did better than he did he under performed and under performed in 2000 because he turned off so many voters. people say, oh, he's going to run in '24 -- no, there will be even more undervotes for him if rep republicans go that way. >> when people skip the presidential line, it's an extraordinary statement. and mitch mcconnell will tell you and many other republicans, he costs them the senate when he stepped into that race and georgia counted the vote three times, a hand recount. there's not much dispute among rational people what happened in georgia. >> in arizona, how many recounts >> five or six >> these are all republicans doing the recounts >> yeah, when they did the recount in arizona, donald trump lost votes

we obviously spend a lot of talk about donald trump and the fundamental question is who did not vote for trump in 2020 that is suddenly going to vote for him now? he captured 2016, he did on that day, it was enough, and in 2020, he didn't >> you have been around the country reporting and you are out in arizona, and spent a good bit of time in arizona, and arizona a perfect example where everybody was sure kari lake was going to win and the republicans were going to have a huge day, and those swing voters and mccain republicans and more educated voters if you look at the demographics, they all broke away from trump -- not all, but more broke away from trump or just stayed home and said i am not going to vote for this man

>> yeah, i mean, do you remember all the criticism katie hobbs got in arizona for not turning out, and she was a terrible candidate. >> she ghosted kari lake and won. >> yeah, and what happened down in arizona was exactly what they were talking about in georgia, republicans voted down the ballot and they did not vote for kari lake and mark finch, and there was a big push to get the secretary of states in position so when it comes to the 2024 election, those officials could have an impact in swinging the vote their way mark fitcham didn't make it either, and it's not because republicans didn't vote or stay at home, and they did turn out but just did not vote for kari

lake >> when you play the game, you got people who think their conspiracies are going on and folks are rigging the rules, and the voter purge is going on. there's a question and a debate. he was at the tip of the sphere in defending our democracy against donald trump and all those forces, but there are folks in georgia that believe he was at the tip of the sphere and purging rolls and we have to understand there's two sides to every story. >> yeah, including a third side, disinformation >> they did have record turnout in the last election in georgia. >> record turnout. we are following two high profile shootings, where the victims' only mistake was being at the wrong home. a woman was killed when a car she was riding in with friends

turned into the wrong driveway and then a teenager rang the wrong doorbell, and we now have those reports. >> police say the white homeowner accused of shooting a black missouri teen is now out on bail. >> we are satisfied with the charges brought as charges, and we want it to see it through to a conviction and appropriate sentencing >> he faces the possibility of life in prison for shooting ralph yarl in the head and arm after yarl accidentally went to the wrong home >> ralph says he was shot through the screen door at pointblank range >> lester telling detectives he was in bed thursday night when he heard his doorbell ring,

adding he picked up his gun and saw a black male about six feet fall pulling on the exterior door nbc news made multiple attempt to reach out to lester but so far has been successful. ralph's family said he only rang the doorbell and never tried to break in the family says ralph, wounded, ran for his life meanwhile, more than 1,500 of his high school classmates rallying around ralph wearing blue, his favorite color and willing his recovery along >> we support you, ralph, and we want to let you know we stand with you lost in rural upstate new

york the 20-year-old gillious was shot and killed saturday night when the suv she was in accidentally pulled into the wrong driveway it happened in remote washington county when the sheriff says she and her friends who were in two vehicles and a motorcycle could not find a nearby home as the suv was turning around investigators say kevin monahan walked out of his home and fired two shots at the vehicle >> why did the suspect tell you he opened fire >> he has not given us a motive or a reason as to why he fired they were in the process of leaving when the shots were fired. >> the sheriff says gillis who was in the front passenger seat and three friends never got out of the car and never posed a threat to monahan who is charged with murder. after the shooting driving through the secluded town, the group reached an area with cell phone service and called 911 >> they were young kids, like anywhere across the country,

they were on a weekend night looking for a friend's house, and it's a senseless and tragic incident >> just, willie, the gun culture. just the out-of-control rabid gun culture. you step on my front doorstep or drive down my driveway, the answer is to get a gun and start shooting >> it's the stand your ground this is my castle thing. how many times without thinking have you done a turn around in a driveway, not thinking somebody would come out and shoot you think about those in the car in that one story and then a parent that gets a call because you were turning around in a driveway >> the 86-year-old gunman fires through a glass door at somebody that was looking for help. the car is turning around and

leaving, opens fire and takes a life extraordinary. >> in each case, you get fear, whatever motivating the guy in new york, plus a gun you get hatred, racism plus a gun. >> what is the common denominator? >> and then the kansas city story, the kid has the will to life knocks on the doors of neighbors. knocks on doors and they don't answer so what happened to love thy neighbor as thyself. >> how many houses did he go to before he was forced to lay on the ground >> the parent who thought their child was just on a road trip,

she's gone they will have to bury her and put her in a box for what guns >> parents that send their kids to school don't know if they will come back today >> i spoke about the father that came up to us at the airport saying they will arm police take three minutes, and he said, we can get there, we are closure. oh, my god the fight between desantis and disney plus, how republicans are planning to vote on the debt ceiling bill by the end of next week, but it's not clear what will be in their plan. you are watching "morning joe. we'll be right back. it's one more step towards taking charge of your health. so every day, you can say, ♪ youuu did it! ♪ with centrum silver.

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both busch gardens! >> we talking about gravity returning. you know, willie, as a florida guy, i am a florida man. it's never made sense these attacks on disney. well, maybe people that live outside florida don't understand -- >> i hear somebody eating

doritos. >> alex? tj >> it's off now. >> we could hear -- well, continue >> what people don't understand is florida, the florida that we live in was created when walt disney said i want to build something in the middle of florida. >> with a mouse. >> and floridians take great pride in it. i have friends, right-wing friends, evangelical friends and republican friends that never voted for a democrat in the election, and they take their kids to disneyworld. >> i love the magic kingdom. >> they take grade pride in it it's stupid. ron desantis attacking disney. it never made any sense to me. it makes sense to podcasters and

makes sense that have to get a small sliver of the audience and they make millions of dollars. it has never made sense politically in the state of florida or in america. he's taking on micky mouse, but now micky mouse has brass knuckles because he's taking on bob iger >> no. >> you don't do that iger is making him look like a fool by the way, he's so unafraid of ron desantis, he said, i will tell you what we are going to do we are going to throw the biggest lbgtq celebration in the history of the world on main street disney. >> in the magic kingdom. >> you know why he can do that because he can do that and people will still come to disney why? because they love walt disney.

long after ron desantis is lobbying for the corncob makers of america in tallahassee, florida, disney will still be attracting millions and millions of americans every year. >> yeah, to your point, it's not just a feeling people have in the state of florida, it's an entire economy it's the largest employer, and it's not just the park but the ancillary stuff that has come with it. bob iger said we have billions to spend and we will be here it's about one piece of legislation that the former ceo of disney objected to. we can talk about that legislation as a separate matter ron desantis is willing to die on the political issue over trying to fight disney, which is

obscenely popular in the state of florida >> at one issue, gave trump a huge opening to criticize him and went after him really hard to social media. his original pr plan fizzled and now he's going back with a new one to save face and disney's next move made the announcement that disney will not spend money in the state of florida because of the governor. >> donny, let's just talk branding again let's talk branding. you can't -- you can't beat disney by the way, there may be things that disney does that everybody doesn't agree with there's stuff that major league baseball does, that the nfl did, and you name any institution, and they do things some will not

agree with, and a lot of people said they were not going to watch the nfl. seriously? i feel bad for roger goodell he has to have horrible back problems for carrying all the gold bouillon. the money they make. it's insanity. same thing for disney, and he's taking them on for some stupid woke thing that most people don't understand >> you talked about the brand of disney what is it it's america and it's family you are taking on america and you are taking on family values. that's the irony of this, they are all about values and he's taking on the company built on family desantis wants his stage to get bigger, and you can see he has no answers or punches and he is

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our next guest knows what it's like to defy the odds and break barriers in 2012 she became the in 2012, ginny rometti became the first woman ceo in ibm's history, making a name for herself as one of the most influential leaders. she spent two years writing her

new book out now it's called "good power," leading positive change in our lives, work and world where she details her challenging childhood and her ground breaking path to the fortune 500 c suite. welcome back to the show good to see you. >> good to see you. >> we have so much to talk about. i want to quickly get to the book i love the title you have principles of good power. first tell us why you decided to write the book. >> i never intended to write a book and many people urged me given the journey i've been on from my father abandoning us when we were very young, leaving my mother with no education, food, money, she had four children never had a job outside of the home she was determined not to let that define who any of us would be got a little bit of education, a little better job. this would lead to what i do today that you and i talked about, and that kind of set the really baseline that never let

someone else define who you are. only you define who you are. >> and that little girl growing up in that household in those circumstances became one of the most powerful women in the world. >> i hope that's so a lot of people believe that's possible >> i want to ask you a 50 over 50 yquestion, when you were in your 20s, did you imagine your career after 50. >> never and i never imagined being ceo of ibm it was a blank slate have your own independence, take care of yourself and do the next thing better than the prior thing. >> here's the five principles of good power, which you can get a lot more of in the book. a woman's view to work and strategizing and success is very different than a man's, which is why it's great to have diversity. be in service of talk about it. >> be in service of.

if you're in service of something, you fulfill their need and as a result your dpgoal gets met. >> build belief. >> build people's hearts and minds. >> know what must change and what must endure. >> embracing tensions and running towards conflict >> i have been talking about it a decade, manage the up sides and downside of tech in parallel, in parallel, which is something most people don't do they chase the up side, and all of a sudden the downside is there. >> this is really important, especially for women because it can often be very frustrating trying to get to the top but be resilient. >> when you do something hard, there's no straight line, and it has a lot to do with your attitude and the relationships that you have. primarily the one with yourself. you have written a lot about this topic. >> i have. and there are times when things go a little slower it's okay. >> and backwards >> and backwards i got fired. that would be backwards.

you know, and this is like these breaks, sometimes there's a reason for them. sometimes there's not. and they all have value, and you have a long runway, which is why i created the 50 over 50 list because there's so many women recreating themselves in their 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s but talk about how we can get more young women, even girls into tech? >> yeah, when i went into tech, i was the only woman in these classes. this is late '70s. this is about getting people to go into science, technology, and engineering. i tell everyone, go into tech or go into engineering preparation, because it will help you solve a problem, and any job you do is going to be problem solving. if you think of it that way, you'll go into a technology area because it will just be about solving problems it doesn't have to be about being a traditional engineer. >> you're the current cochair of the nonprofit 110. tell us how it's going what it is, how it's going, how

people can help more. >> there's a theme through the book that starts with my mother, and my whole life, which is that access and aptitude are two different things aptitude is spread evenly, not access so on the heels of the murder of george floyd, a number of business leaders came together, myself, ken chenault, ken frasier, kevin phillips, founded 110. place 1 million black americans into middle class jobs who don't start with a college degree. this is something i have worked on for 15 years, and came to really believe that hire people for their skills, not just their degree in this country, 50% of our great jobs are over credentialed, got easy to check a box, have a college degree, 65% of americans don't have one, and 80% of black americans don't. now, i'm not against it. i'm vice chair of a university, but where we start should not determine where we have to end. >> you have to meet people where they are you have to find them, make that effort. >> i need an inclusive great

work force. >> the book is entitled "good power," former ibm ceo, gi ginni rometty. for more information on how to get women in tech, go to k knowyourvalue.com. following revelations that justice clarence thomas received gifts from a billionaire republican donor, not just gifts a lot more, housing, everything, we'll get latest from capitol hill plus the controversial new set of child labor laws passed by the iowa state senate that could have kids working longer hours and teens serving alcohol. and what you need to know about the plans from netflix to crack down on password sharing uh-oh, you're watching "morning joe. woel be right back be right back k . . .

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fact that your party's leading candidate for president is facing criminal charges and could be facing a trial in the middle of this election? >> manu, let me put it this way, i may have hit my head, but i didn't hit it that hard, good try. >> oh, my gosh >> are we allowed to latcugh at that. >> it was his first time in front of reporters since returning to congress from medical leave, and it's good he's doing well. >> looks like he's doing really well. >> he's back we have a lot to get to this hour the florida legislature is stepping in to help ron desantis in his political fight against disney >> poor ron. >> we'll explain the latest. >> who's going to win that you know who's inside there? bob iger with brass knuckles. >> you think he's actually in the mouse? >> bob iger was in the mouse there's walt disney on the

right, away. walt disney is a guy that created a magic kingdom that people all over the world come to and see on the left, ron desantis who is fighting the magic kingdom we have said from the beginning, it's a losing fight. let me just underline it, it's a losing fight, and they're so freaked out by ron desantis and his attack on them being woke that they're now going to launch the biggest ever lgbtq celebration in history on main street at disney. >> i want to go to that. >> and they're just saying, oh, are you scared of diversity? we're really scared of you, ron. we're so scared of you, that this is what we're going to do wow. >> also ahead. >> that's jonathan lemire, and i was going to go to it, but what do you have to say, sweetie? >> did you really just say that, you called me sweetie. >> you call me sweetie

>> not here, it doesn't get done here i need to put a pin on that. there are boundaries. >> new rules, tj >> all right we'll be joined by the wisconsin democratic -- >> oh, finally. >> it's scarboro, finally. >> a major victory that flipped control of the state supreme court. >> you leave town and absence makes the heart grow founder >> i was just kidding. >> i did what i want to. it's what i feel like. >> you can't share your passwords anymore, okay. >> uh-oh. >> kids, give dad a call for all my kids. >> give joe a call because you can't use the password anymore. >> i'm going to have to buy four accounts now, five accounts. how about you, eddie, do your kids use your accounts >> a whole bunch of people

no one uses my account no one uses my account but me and my wife. >> former u.s. senator and msnbc political analyst, claire mccaskill. >> how are you doing today >> hey, listen, i like this hour this is a little more free wheeling, we got joe calling mika sweetie i figure this is going to be some fun stuff and go disney. i got to tell you my disney piece here. >> please. >> as you guys know, my grandson had a real health scare about a month ago, and we all were very worried, and guess where he and his siblings told their grandmother they want to go to celebrate him getting healthy, and we're going to disney world, and as we go by, we're going to blow raspberries at ron desantis and wear rainbows down main street at disney world in the end of the may. >> we want you to know after you

take your grandson to disney, you'll want to go to universal theme parks. >> suck up >> look, we're doing both. we're doing both we're going to do harry potter, universal, for sure. >> and by the way, joe, can i just say thrksis, when did the republican party decide the heavy hand of government interfering with business was a party platform i mean, for 40 years, i was around when republican party that wanted government to stay away from business, and less regulation, and less telling them what to do. this is really weird, this new republican party they are all about limiting people's freedom >> it is something strangely enough that ron desantis specifically -- i think even more so than donald trump, and if i'm wrong, somebody correct me, but ron desantis specifically, he goes to attack

walt disney because he doesn't like something that they say about the lgbtq community. he attacks the tampa bay rays, one of the most successful franchises in major league because they tweet he wants to take away tax benefits he attacks the rays business organization for a tweet where they expressed sympathy for the children of uvalde he attacks small business owners and says they can't press secretary th-- protect their customers in the way they see fit. he attacks cruise liners who were desperate to start cruises during covid and some said we can't get people on here unless they're wearing masks, they're feeling safe, our workers are feeling safe we've got to get cruise lines going again, and you've got a republican governor using the heavy hand of centralized state

to tell small business owners, to tell big business owners, to tell theme parks, to tell baseball teams, to tell cruise liners, no, no, no you cannot run your private enterprise the way you want to, claire you have to do it the way the heavy hand of the centralized state guides you it is the most anti-conservative position business-wise that i can think of over my 25 years in news and politics. >> and you know what it shows, i mean, there's one thing that i learned as a young woman, and it has been true at every point in my life, and i think all of you can testify to this. people who bully people are insecure this is a very very insecure man. he does not need to be in the oval office because he has real

inner fear about whether or not he is big enough for any job that he has. >> yeah, so we're going to get to the latest on the dominion lawsuit in just a moment, but continuing on desantis versus disney nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez is in tallahassee with the latest. >> reporter: this morning, florida governor ron desantis's war on disney is drawing backlash from his own party including former new jersey governor chris christie, another potential 2024 contender. >> i don't think ron desantis is a conservative based on his actions towards disney i think it makes rightfully, a lot of people question his judgment and his maturity. >> reporter: former president trump on social media calling the feud a political stunt, saying desantis is being absolutely destroyed by disney. >> we made the decision as a state, as a people through the medium of our elections that we would not have one corporation serving as its government. >> a new amendment filed here in

the state legislature is trying to nullify disney's actions from february in which the entertainment giant quietly stripped power from a board desantis appointed to make decision about its land. the epic battle started last year when disney opposed the parental rights in education act that the opponents labeled the don't say gay law. it banned the classroom instruction of sexual orientation and gender identity in kindergarten through 3rd grade. disney is promoting the first pride night at disneyland shortly after desantis doubled down on his attacks. meanwhile, desantis in d.c. trying to shore up republican support on capitol hill even as florida republicans endorsed trump. battle lines being drawn with members of congress starting to take sides can governor desantis take on former president trump >> he absolutely can he's the only one who can.

>> i like somebody that can carry us looking forward, and i think that man is ron desantis. >> reporter: shortly after meeting with desantis, texas congressman lance gooden did announce his 2024 endorsement, but not of the florida governor, instead, former president trump. >> wow >> you know, it's fascinating. first of all, i want to say, here's the thing, i think most people in florida do agree that they don't want their kindergartners through 3rd graders to be taught about sexual orientation in an open general classroom. >> you're making the assumption that that's happening. >> yeah, but i'm saying that is the law that was passed. this is one of these two things that can be true at once pass the law and talk about the law if you want to, but if disney is a private company wants to come out and oppose that law, they're a business, and by the way, if people are offended by it, let them pay in the free marketplace what a radical idea, right

but one other thing too. this is really something the congressman greg staab, right, the one who hurt himself, we're glad he's doing better he really had a serious fall off of his roof. craig stube, and he's feeling better, which is great news, but reading what he has said about why he endorsed donald trump instead of ron desantis is so instructive on why ron desantis just may not be temperamentally cut out to be president. i've heard this from republicans in tallahassee for two years now. you guys keep talking about this guy, he doesn't have what it takes personality wise >> there's real questions about the personality, the retail political skills and this anecdote related in "politico" playbook this morning is revealing. there was a hurricane disaster, and desantis had an event, the

congressman wanted to stand with the governor, and the staff said, this is the governor's event, you should not. though it was his home state and constituents as well desantis's team rejected his efforts at conversations in weeks. he had not spoken to anyone in desantis's office in a number of issues, and that changed when desantis was trying to court his endorsement. he had a fall off his roof, seriously injured, never heard from desantis or his team. the first phone call was from donald trump that's part of the reason i'm doing this and we should note, the trump team in 2016 and 2020, not exactly seen as the most professional and smooth operations, this time around he has seemingly better people around him, and the blocking and tackling, the political blocking and tackling he has done this time, successful, and yesterday was a great example of that. desantis comes to florida, trump touts all of these endorse ment

from the congressman from florida that desantis was trying to woo. >> you have done politics before the fact that there's a hurricane and the governor of the state won't let member of congress whose district is affected by it stand up there next to him, just shows, again, it reinforced what you were saying, how insecure ron desantis is. he just doesn't get it you let the congressman stand next to you. you let anybody who wants to stand next to you whose constituents are affected by this stand there while you all are talking about death and destruction. >> yeah, i think desantis may succeed in putting florida back on the map as an in play state, whether it's with the gun things that he has done or the six week abortion ban that he signed secretly, and doesn't want to talk about i think that there is an opportunity here whenever somebody goes too far, it gives the other party an

opportunity. and ron desantis is giving the democrats, if they can get their act together and put the right candidates forward, they're really giving them an opportunity to get back in the game in florida. i think people forget how close florida was for many many cycles, and i got to tell you, ron desantis is going to help it get back there again. >> i'm going to move us along because we have a u.s. senator standing by. dominion settling its defamation lawsuit against fox news with a last minute deal yesterday afternoon at the last minute the network agreed to pay the voting machine company more than $787 million moments before opening statements were set to get underway last hour, co-lead counsel for dominion voting systems steve shackleford appeared on "morning joe" and spoke to why it took so long to settle this case and also what he expected had this suit gone to trial

>> i know some people are disappointed that there's not going to be a trial, but you have to look at is what dominion did. dominion did not settle this case last year dominion made sure these documents got out in the public record, hundreds of documents that proved just what fox was doing behind the scenes, behind closed doors when they were broadcasting lies to all of us i think people need to remember that dominion went through that and made sure these documents got out there and only at the courthouse steps was dominion willing to settle after getting the truth out. if you look at what happened in a trial, i can tell you. i saw what their opening statement slides looked like they were going to come into the courtroom and gaslight we weren't going to get rupert murdoch on the stand admitting he could have stopped this and knew what was going on he was going to say he had no idea the hosts had an open mind, thought this could be true you're a lawyer, you know how this works we're going to have to come in with the documents and prove they were lying over and over again when they claimed they had an open mind and didn't know what the truth was.

>> fox's lawyers did not talk to reporters yesterday. the network put out a statement writing in part, we acknowledge the court's ruling finding certain claims about dominion to be false this settlement reflects fox's continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards we are hopeful our decision to resolve this dispute with dominion amicably allows the country to move forward from these issues the settlement does not require fox to issue an on air apology and it's not clear if there are consequences for the network the deal does not end fox's legal issues about false claims over election fraud. it is still facing a $2.7 billion defamation lawsuit from smartmatic, an appeals court ruled the suit from that voting system company could move forward. let's bring in democratic senate brian schotz of hawaii

your reaction to the settlement by dominion. >> the lawyer was right. we learneda lot from the documents that were published, and it confirmed everything that we already knew this writing, which is that fox was lying. their on air personalities were lying, and it was a matter of great consequence. it was a matter of the fate of the republic i am disappointed that we didn't get an on-air apology, though i'm not sure what difference that could have made $778 million is a big deal, but not big enough to, i think, cause fox to change its ways. >> well, i want to get claire mccaskill's reaction to the settlement, and also take what you just said to her, because, claire, i think there were many people who believe that fox has a lot of viewers, they're number one in a lot of time slots and a lot of people only watch fox, so an apology might have made a big difference >> well, here's the thing, i

think many of us in america wanted this lawsuit to be our surrogate for accountability and finally having fox admit and say they were sorry and by gosh, we had everybody to hold on to our audience for money, but there were lawyers representing the client here. and while they battled long and hard and got all of these documents in the public. at the end of the day, what they were offered essentially in real money terms what they needed from the jury if they had gone to trial so i get that the client wanted to settle and the lawyers had to respect the client, and i would say to my friend brian, and i think he could certainly confirm this, even though it won't be on fox news, it is everywhere in america today. it is in the newspapers in hawaii it is in the newspapers all across this country. it is on every major network

except fox, so everyone gets, if you pay $800 million, you did something wrong. and so i do think there is some indication that we all should be comforted by. >> senator. >> yeah, i think that's right. i just do think democrats, progressives, people who are frustrated by the lying need to know that this is a structural problem, that there is no moment in time, whether it's a lawsuit or some picking of the conscience of an individual news personality, they're not going to stop. they cannot be vanquished in that way we have to communicate with the rest of america who is not locked into fox news with the truth, and so i just want us to be careful not to think that the federal court system is going to save us here this was a positive result, but it doesn't really vanquish fox news they are going to continue to do what they do. >> thinking of a structural problem. >> they're going to continue to

be sued too. >> let's talk, speaking of structural problems about the debt ceiling, again, i don't know if republicans don't understand this or if their constituents don't understand this, but when you're paying a debt ceiling, that's like paying a credit card bill it's for incurred. this is not for programs that are going to be paid for over the next couple of years this is to pay for all of the debt, the record levels of debt that donald trump accrued over his four years, and the debt that's been accrued over the past year or so. how do you negotiate with a party that doesn't want to pay their credit card bills when they're the ones that incurred the largest debt in the history of mankind. >> yeah, this is like going to a steak house and ordering everything, and then when the bill comes saying, you know, i can't pay. i'm trying to save a little money here it was too late for all of that. look, the consequences of default are way way worse than i

think people are fully understanding. we would see a crash in the dollar we would see a crash in the stock market medicare, medicaid, social security, would be endangered. the united states has to pay its bills and that cannot be negotiable when we have leverage, the democrats have leverage, and donald trump was president, we passed the extension of the debt ceiling, no fuss, no muss. that's really important because there is a context in which we should be negotiating over revenues and expenses, the size and scope of the federal government, but it's not in the context of does the united states default on its obligations. we cannot default and we cannot negotiate about whether or not we're going to entertain default. >> by the way, if you're driving in your car right now or listening to us on the radio, we just showed a graphic that showed the debt ceiling has been increased 49 times under

republican presidents. 49 times since 1960. 29 times under democratic presidents the only time republicans care about this is when they're not in office raising the debt by record levels. >> yeah, kevin mccarthy of course voted to do so repeatedly during donald trump's administration, so senator, speaking of the house speaker, he unveiled a little bit of the republican budget in the last couple of days he has a lot of work to do trying to herd disparate viewpoints in his own conference, and one of them is the idea that inflation reduction act, which of course democrats like yourself passed in the last year or so should go away can you talk about your response to that and what should happen >> they still don't have a plan. it was a repeal of portions of inflation reduction act.

they wanted to cut the 6 bucks a day that most recipients of s.n.a.p. benefits, food stamp benefits would get as a deficit reduction measure. they don't have an idea of what they want to accomplish. second thing is, like i said, no policy concessions at all in exchange for the united states paying its bills but if they want to have a negotiation, look, it's a republican house, it's a democratic senate, democratic president, we're going to have to move forward on budgets and appropriations and we're going to have to have a tough negotiation, and we understand that the government is divided the one bright red line that we have is, look, we are not negotiating over the basic question of the full faith and credit of the united states. it will be interesting to see what the house comes up with their budget plan, whether kevin mccarthy can muster the votes to be successful. even if he is, we're not entertaining that as a condition for the united states paying its bills. >> senator brian schatz of

hawaii, thank you very much for being on this morning. other news this morning, southwest airlines has resumed service after its flight at airports across the country were temporarily halted tuesday due to an intermittent technology issue. yikes. the nationwide ground stop led to more than 2,200 flights delayed, and it comes just four months after thousands of southwest passengers experienced cancelled flights with little notice, days long delays and lost luggage lawmakers in the iowa senate passed a new child labor law yesterday. the legislation allows minors to work up to six hours a day, two more than currently allowed. it also lets 16 and 17-year-olds serve alcohol in restaurants with written parental con sent supporters of the bill say it would provide valuable opportunities and the ability to get paid the bill still needs to pass the iowa house before heading to the governor's desk.

tesla has cut prices until the u.s. for some of its electric vehicles. the sixth time the electric car manufacturer has done so this year the company lowered the cost of its case model 3 by 11% so far, and it's phase model y by 20%. the elon musk-led company is due to report earning after markets close today. and bad news, guys netflix has revealed a new time line for when it will start cracking down on password sharing in the u.s the streaming giant is also calling it quits for its dvd by mail service nbc news correspondent jacob soboroff has the latest. >> reporter: whether you're binging the buzziest show or rewatching an old favorite >> you had that eye of the tiger, man, the itch, and now you got to get it back. >> sharing passwords is a block buster problem for netflix. >> that's lost revenue for them, and they're now looking to collect. >> months after warning password

sharing was officially on borrowed time, netflix now announcing the domestic crackdown will happen in the second quarter, which ends in june. >> we're looking to reaccelerate our revenue growth that's the path we're on right now. >> while the reaction on social media was swift. >> remember when netflix said love was sharing a password, back in 2017. >> paid sharing plans are already happening in some countries, including canada, and so far the company says the changes have been profitable as users have to declare a primary location for their accounts and can add others for an additional fee. make a list of the movies you want to see, and in one business day, you'll get three dvds. >> the streaming power house announcing last call for the dvd by mail service in the iconic red envelopes which will end in september after 25 years and more than 5 billion dvd deliveries netflix tweeting, thank you for being part of this incredible journey. it comes just days after the "love is blind" live stream

delay. netflix apologizing during tuesday's earnings call, explaining the glitch was a technical bug after last month's chris rock special. >> we'll learn from it and get better we have the fundamental infrastructure that we need. >> reporter: that infrastructure will be under an intense microscope as streaming services constantly compete for eyeballs and new sources of revenue. >> netflix can't just ride on its coat tails anymore, it's going to have to figure out new ways to grow. >> that's interesting. >> that "love is blind" delay really got to you. >> i was going to ask, jonathan, can you get us up to date on what "love is blind" is about? >> i cannot. >> but on twitter, what a disaster it was for people who were interested in that, including prominent lawmakers, alexandr alexandria ocasio-cortez was upset she couldn't watch the end of the era, it have a

copy of the hunt for red october that needs to be returned. i've had it four or five years. coming up on "morning joe," can democrats' winning formula in wisconsin translate to national elections in 2024, the state's party chair joins the stable straight ahead. plus, one of our next guests spent two decades in prison for a murder he did not commit now, he is taking the fight to reform the country's criminal justice system to capitol hill the california exonerate joins us you're watching "morning joe." we we'll be right back.

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. welcome back to "morning joe." >> a beautiful shot of l.a. >> it's gorgeous look at that shot. >> see the lakers moving forward. >> suddenly might be the team to beat out west. >> no way. >> believe me, no one is less happy about that than me

they're the seven seed but up 1-0 in their series against memphis. a lot of other teams have issues. >> are we going to have a lakers, celtics series >> we are very far from that, but the path is there for both teams. celtics, lakers, it's the rivalry in sports. we did it twice about a decade or so ago, and now you add lebron james to the mix. >> political pundits and analysts alike are increasingly looking to wisconsin as a bellwether for the 2024 elections nationwide. >> earlier this month, a judge, janet protasiewicz defeated her conservative opponent and won a seat on wisconsin's supreme court. the victory upended the court's ideological balance by giving liberals control for the first time in 15 years with major implications for abortion rights, voting rights, and gerrymandering, many democrats in wisconsin and across the nation described the race as the most important race in the

country this year. and joining us now, wisconsin democratic party chair ben wikler it's really good to have you on the show, and this is such an incredible turn of events. >> it really is. you know, i remember back in 2007, 2008 after barack obama got elected, a lot of commentary about how all the leaders of the republican party were from the deep south all of them or texas and they talked about states like wisconsin, that's exactly what they did. they focused on wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania it paid off. but now the tide is turning. it turned in michigan. and wisconsin has for the past several years been the bellwether what happened in this supreme court election, like the kansas referendum, was supposed to be close but ended up a blow out? >> i think the core of wisconsin is that it's a 50/50 state it is the most purple state four

of the last six presidential elections came down to less than one percentage point, and republicans rigged it. they gerrymandered the maps so much, suppressed voting rights, smashed unions, all of these different things to ensure republicans would win, and chose policies that were incredibly unpopular. the abortion ban from 1849 is the prime example. no exceptions. >> let me write this down because i have been in politics for a while. so hold on total abortion ban written when zachary taylor was president. >> very good >> bad >> okay. very good. what else we got >> not a winner. and they rigged the -- >> by the way, come on, how clueless did they have to be again, they knew by looking at what happened in other states, they knew a total ban was dead the "wall street journal," ann

coulter, you name it, people on the right were saying wake up, republicans, you're destroying your party >> they're beholden to the most extreme faction, not just of their base but also their mega donor base. the biggest republican donor in america is dick and liz eulein, this vegas republican couple they put millions in diane hendricks, the wisconsin megarepublican donor, and the same donors funded i think probably $10 million in independent expenditures in the supreme court race, and they are so farto the right they are backing groups that support the 1849 ban they supported the january 6th insurrection to alienate them is to torch yourself if you're a major republican candidate in wisconsin, and they will accept no compromise whatsoever, so they're essentially tied to the mast as their ship crashes into

the rocks, and the public doesn't like it. the pent up rage about this abortion ban and the fact that you can't change state policy because the maps are completely rigged poured itself into the supreme court race. >> we hear about rigged, they are the most gerrymandered maps in america by far. >> you got the extremism of the current maga wing of the republican party but is this also a consequence of perhaps the overreach of scott walker from 2011 to 2019, so that's one question i would love for you to address. is this in some ways the enduring impact of that particular period in wisconsin the second question, i want to get it in quick, tell me what you guys did at university of wisconsin-madison, all of these young folk who came out and did amazing things, turned out in extraordinary numbers. >> two of my favorite subjects i'll take the second one first student turnout was through the roof when cyou look at a spring election, this is older voters, you can write off the youth

vote kids don't know it exists. >> not this time, we saw numbers that exceeded the 2020 midterm turnout. it was uw madison but eau claire, green bay, all over the state, students flooded to the polls. >> what got them there >> a combination of two things one is the abortion ban, which is so personal and infuriating the second thing is a massive investment -- >> can we stop on that first, and i say this as a guy whose family is republican, so many voted for trump, pro life, even students, even younger people who call themselves pro life, people who call themselves pro life their entire life politically are so offended by what they've seen, the radicalism of state legislatures that even those people are saying i've got to go out and vote and vote against this it's incredible. >> absolutely right. and just to underscore that,

there are ob/gyns leaving the state right now. you can't finish training to become an ob/gyn to leave the state because r standard of care in miscarriages is abortion. it doesn't differentiate the reason for an abortion it is from another age, and yet the republican party when the governor, governor evers called on the state legislature to hold a special session to repeal it, they flatly refused. the governor asked for a referendum process so the public could decide republicans refused. governor evers and attorney general are suing to strike it down, and the public knows that lawsuit will go to the supreme court, but the thing is, let's say we win the supreme court strikes down the abortion ban then the question is will republicans, donald trump, ron desantis, republicans in the house and senate, pass a national abortion ban, and it's pretty clear that is their brand promise at this point. >> wow claire mccaskill has the next question claire, it's fascinating what's happening with donald trump

politically. first of all, trump was the one freaking out when the dobbs ruling leaked early, and was telling everybody this is going to be a disaster trump was then the person who blamed pro lifers for losing the '22 election of course now he's attacking on the disney front, but it is very interesting what's happening in the republican primary everybody is running around in circles. i tell you what, the overturning of roe v. wade possibly the most consequential political thing over the last 20, 25 years >> yeah, and republican operatives know they have trouble, if young people show up and vote and that's what i really would like to talk to our friend from wisconsin about. not only did they all vote in this election, there was a massive organization of them, and i think you have created a blueprint for the democratic party in '24 because young people do not get any of this

they're doing on guns, on abortion, on climate so let's talk about your candidate. i was heartbroken that ron johnson was reelect instead a state that has no business being represented by a guy like that i know from serving with ron johnson how bad it really is let's talk about tammy baldwin, hard worker, she is not somebody who like seeks the limelight she just works really hard for wisconsin. how is thatgoing who is her opponent going to be, and what can everyone do to help tammy? >> tammy is so wonderful and i will tell you, when i was in high school she ran for congress for the first time in a primary field, the morning after she won, the headline in the local paper was youth quake because i and so many people i knew, universities of wisconsin students had gotten involved and stuck with her generation after generation people in wisconsin know she's on their side. and anyone who wants to help her can donate to her campaign, to

the democratic party of wisconsin, can volunteer our kind of secret sauce is that we work all the time we organize year round we organize in every community across wisconsin, across gender, geography, generation, race, ethnicity, everywhere, all yearlong in local races and in statewide races. and that means that when you get an election like we saw this spring, we have the whole organizing machine, grass roots groups, youth-led groups and the party organization ready to go we need to do the same thing for 2024 we will absolutely be doing that for tammy baldwin. everywhere in the country, if you're a battle ground state or a state you need to win house races, start now don't wait until the fall of 2024 to get your act together. >> wisconsin democratic party chair ben wikler, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. fascinating conversation chlgt. >> oh, yeah. >> and fascinating development in your states democrats are holding a hearing

on supreme court ethics, in response to a report that claimed justice clarence thomas received undisclosed gifts is luxury travel from republican donor harlan crow. dick durbin is promise to go hold a hearing on these allegations. if that happens, it's not known if the committee will subpoena justice thomas but the absence of senator dianne feinstein would currently make that impossible the 89-year-old california democrat has been away from congress since february, recovering from shingles yesterday, majority leader chuck schumer asked for unanimous consent to replace feinstein with maryland democrat ben cardin but republicans voted against it, leaving democrats with few options on that let's bring in nbc news senior political reporter, sahil kapur, live on capitol hill, and let's start with the republican move to block democrats' plans for the judiciary.

why did democrats think they would do that for them >> reporter: it's not clear why they thought this would work, mika this was a request by senator feinstein issued after some democrats in the house, house california democrats called on her to resign. she said she's not going to resign, she'll be back but she can get swapped on the judiciary committee. she has been around for 30 years, probably might have known better that republicans were not going to allow something like this nevertheless, chuck schumer went to the senate floor said it's on her request, asking she be replaced temporarily by senator ben cardin and republicans predictably objected let's see what happened between schumer and lindsey graham. >> today i'm acting not just as leader, but as dianne's friend in honoring her wishes until she returns to the senate. mr. president, when someone as dear and as accomplished as senator feinstein asks us for something so important to her, we ought to respect it

>> the reason this is being made is to try to change the numbers on the committee in a way that i think would be harmful to the senate and pass out a handful of judges that i think should never be on the bench. with that in mind, and all due respect to senator feinstein, i object. >> reporter: so what's next, democrats can put this through the full senate, vote on a resolution through the 60 vote process. republicans have made it clear they're going to filibuster that resolution which leaves democrats with three options senator feinstein could come back and resume voting on the judiciary committee. she could resign and get replaced by governor gavin newsom which republicans told me would be a unique situation, they would be more inclined to reshuffle the committee because new senators get appointed mid session. they're not interested in a temporary swap she could remain absent in which case president biden's judicial nom

nominees cannot get on to the senate floor, and currently there's no time line for senator feinstein to return. >> and that's such a frustration for democrats. with a split congress there's not much they can do legislatively right now. these nominations, confirmations are a way they can push forward the biden agenda let's go back to the clarence thomas piece of this the justice there. can any investigations move forward with the senator's absence, and if she stays out, what recourse do democrats have? >> reporter: they can do an investigation, jonathan, on the judiciary committee. senator dick durbin is still the chairman he has the authority to hold hearings what they probably cannot do, according to one democratic aide i talked to without feinstein, is issue a subpoena in connection with with the thomas investigation. democrat haves a one vote majority, and they need a majority vote to issue a subpoena they don't have that without senator feinstein. durbin has made clear he wants to investigate these revelations about justice thomas democrats sound troubled the way they are talking

a quote from senator chris murphy that captures how democrats see this quote, we fight over everything but why on earth would we choose to fight over whether a supreme court justice can be paid on a regular basis by a party that has constant interests before the court. this is black and white. he says of course referring to the republican billionaire donor, harlan crow, he continues, it's sad that we're fighting over this and the republicans feel like they have to defend justice thomas's conduct. it's absolutely outrageous what do republicans say, i talked to a number of them, they say they're not bothered by this justice thomas needs to amend some financial disclosures, they say he can do that justices are allowed to have friends, which he described as a relationship between thomas and harlan crow, and finally, they say if there's anything further on the ethics front, the supreme court can handle it themselves, they don't want congress to get involved. >> nbc's sahil kapur, thank you so much for your reporting. claire mccaskill, wanted to bring you in on this, on the thomas piece and the investigation, but also you

served with senator feinstein for a long time in the senate. your thoughts as to how demo demo democrats should move forward? >> they need to move forward on the justice thomas front for sure let's be clear about a couple of things this man has spent $10 million, crow, $10 million trying to move american policy to the right in this country after thomas joined the court, he befriended him and showered him with lavish gifts and trips, buying real estate from him, allowing his mother to live rent free, and justice thomas didn't understand this is required to be known by the public it is so bad it is so embarrassing. it is such a black stain on the american judiciary if justice roberts doesn't clean this up, the democrats in the senate must. now, dianne feinstein, it breaks my heart i would ask everyone to go online and google her speech on torture that she gave on the floor of this senate it was epic.

she was such a role model for so many people in the senate. she did her homework she worked very hard i cannot understand why those closest to dianne feinstein don't understand that she is hurting her legacy by allowing the republicans to block judges, by allowing the republicans to stop accountability at the supreme court. it flies in the face of everything dianne feinstein has stood for for decades in this country, and someone who is close to her, hopefully her family, can explain to her that this is hurting her legacy she needs to be remembered for what she did, not for what she stopped from being done at this point in her career. >> powerful words. claire mccaskill, thank you so much for joining us this morning. still ahead, from wrongfully convicted of murder to criminal justice reform activist. that's the journey of our next guest. we're going to bring you his

incredible story next on "morning joe."

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loud knock at at door. in a matter of moments, the teenager found himself on the ground accused by sheriff e's deputies of a murder he did not commit despite holding out hope that he would be proven innocent at trial, his faith in the criminal justice system was shattered when he was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison. for the next two decades he maintained his innocence from behind bars and in 2011 he was finally exonerated now, instead of comfortably living on a multimillion dollar settlement that he received from the city of los angeles, corey owe is looking to reform the criminal justice system, and he joins us now thank you so much for being here it's truly an extraordinary story. tell us about your effortess to help change it >> first of all, thanks for having me. you know, when i was 16 years old i was ultimately wrongfully accused and convicted for a

crime i didn't commit. i was devastated from that outcome. i was someoned to live out the remainder of my life behind bars, which ultimately meant i would never be seen or heard from again i fought the good fight. for the next 20 years i didn't give up and justice prevailed in 2011 i was exonerated. for the first time i'll tell you that i had a true understanding of what liberty and justice felt like as a free man, little by little i realized there were other systems that were rigged against everyone and favoring certain people and this is where i ran for congress in california's 27th congressional district. i want to be the voice for those who feel they have been ignored and not heard and make sure that all systems work if this is something that you would love to follow, please go to my website at franki frankiecarrillo.com. >> it's so powerful to think about your story and where you are now. explain to me and to our vi

viewers, in so many ways the systems failed you but now you're running within it so why do you think that you can actually make the systems work in any substantive way from whence your faith, in other words? >> absolutely. you know, having someone with lived experience and having, you know, an inside view about how systems can be rigged and working against everyday people, we need someone like that at the table. we need someone like myself who has gone through an experience and truly believed ultimately justice would prevail. there's hope i think the body of this representation throughout the country needs someone like myself >> so let's talk about your new race, you're facing a republican incumbent, mike garcia who has used rather inflammatory

rhetoric, comparing the biden administration to the third reich. tell us about this race, your thoughts going into this to seek police office. >> my opponent will be mike garcia, who's a maga extremist. he's made it clear he's aligned himself with the rhetoric of donald trump this is for folks across the country who are dismanhattanling systems we rely on this is a great challenge for myself i think the people are ready for someone with my story to represent them. >> an inspiring story and we certainly, remarkable bravery to dedicate your life to changing the system within, now a democratic candidate for california's 27th u.s. congressional district thank you so much for joining us this morning. that does it for us this morning. thank you for being with us, ana cabrera picking up the coverage in just two minutes.

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hello, and thank you so much for joining us it is 10:00 eastern. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york in just a few hours, the 84-year-old white man charged with shooting a black teenager after he rang the wrong doorbell will face a judge for the first time andrew lester out on bail now after his arrest in the shooting of 16-year-old ralph yarl, this as the kansas city community rallies around that teenager with hundreds of his classmates here showing their support outside his high school. >> we're here fo