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to the most widely used abortion pill good day i'm andrea mitchell in washington fox news paying almost $800 million to avoid having to take the witness stand. the settlement lets fox avoid weeks of text. the damage to its reputation is done thousands of pages of evidence released during pre-trial discovery made public. that fox hosts lied about the 2020 election being rigged, knew it and so did their bosses all the way to the very top. there will be no on-air apologies or retractions from fox news in a statement the network is saying, we acknowledge the court's ruling finding certain claims to be false the settlement reflects fox's commitment to the highest journalistic standards attorneys for dominion speaking to the press after the settlement

>> the truth matters lies have consequences >> money is accountability we got that today from fox but we're not done yet we have some other people who have some accountability coming towards them >> it's not over joining me now, stephanie gosk, former u.s. attorney and department of justice official, harry lipman and "washington post" deputy national editor phil rucker. stephanie, why did fox decide to settle why wait so long to do it? it would seem that all that damaging stuff is out there. it was summary judgements from the judge already. now it's all out there why didn't they settle months ago? >> reporter: well, you know, andrea we weren't privy to the negotiations we don't know how long they had been going on and whether fox didn't try to settle this a long time ago and dominion said no. at least one of the attorneys this morning was suggesting that

part of the accountability here was what you were referencing, the mountain of discovery given in the case and a good portion released publically. fox has said some of the text messages and emails that you mentioned were cherry picked just to do reputational damage what doesn't get to happen now is dominion's opportunity to prove and fox's opportunity to defend itself that it acted in actual malice. that would mean they would have to prove that fox knew that those statements were lies or at the least was reckless in acknowledging the truth that was out there. that doesn't get to happen they don't acknowledge that. they have this looming case over their heads. $2.7 billion lawsuit another defamation lawsuit from smar smart-matic voting systems >> according to some reports,

fox's balance sheet has $6 billion in cash. there is insurance coverage for some of this they are not going to go bankrupt they are a cash cow. what about the public good that you wanted, the accountability that you wanted to come out of a trial? >> yeah. it's a fairly big payout it's about 20% of their annual revenue. i don't think it's -- anyone sees it as a surprisingly large payout the other issue is what is big here you can't fault dominion for accepting the money. that's how the system works. the table was extraordinarily well set for a kind of definitive and memphatic point that fox lied, misled the american public, contributes to january 6. now we won't get that. it's a shame fox gets to prattle on about its

commitment to journalistic standards which is not just false but orwellian. a jury verdict or an apology is left out for the broader public, it's a muddle there was a fight. fox wrote a big check, yes it doesn't have the punch and social resolution that either a jury verdict or an apology would have had >> harry, let me ask you a follow-up. you were a supreme court clerk this could -- since dominion had such a strong case according to all of the evidence that was seen, if it did result in a supreme court ruling eventually, really watering down protections, first amendment protections, "new york times" versus sullivan, decades old precedent, was there the possible downside for the free press if fox lost? >> maybe of course, that prospect of the supreme court is always there.

there's no reason to think that this case was a good vehicle for it the judge's ruling of summary judgement on falsity, which is very rare and one of the things that set things up so well, i don't think was particularly vulnerable fox was talking about that it would have made doe palest -- dominion wait longer but if there had been a jury verdict, i don't think it would have been reversed even so it would have had the social benefit i think that we don't get this morning >> there will be other cases there are smaller cases, not all of fox news that are in play phil, talk about the person who arguably benefitted most from fox new's lies, repeated proven court-established lies, which was the former president, donald trump, and his followers and what happened with january 6th and the people who maybe blindly followed him he is yet to pay for any of that politically, he is still the frontrunner.

>> yeah, that's right, andrea. we could see if he becomes the republican nominee and he falses short in the general election, you could argue that that becomes the accountability function in terms of popular opinion. you are right, he has not paid for it these were lies. they were spread on fox news air in order to support him, in order to make him and his supporters feel like they -- like the election was stolen when it was not. now fox and news corporation is paying a very, very, very hefty, historic price for those lies. >> stephanie, harry, phil, thanks to all of you breaking news. an update on that deadly mass shooting in dadeville, alabama, over the weekend two teenagers are in police custody charged with murder in connection to the shooting deaths of four people at that sweet 16 birthday party. the male suspects are siblings according to an fbi

spokesperson, they are going to be charged as adults prosecutors are going to ask a local judge to hold them without bail at a bond hearing this friday we will have more about recent gun violence in america, that's coming up later. first, plugging that leak. the national guardsman accused of leaking classified documents appearing briefly in the federal court in boston today. what's next for him and how the nation's secrets are going to be kept safe, can this be prevented, when nd"area mitchell reports" returns in a few moments. stay with us us watching msnbc. thankfully, we also have tide ultra-oxi with odor eliminators. between stains and odors, it can handle double trouble. for the #1 stain fighter and odor remover, it's got to be tide. you're doing business in an app driven, multi-cloud world. that's why you choose vmware. with flexible multi-cloud services that enable digital innovation and enterprise control, vmware helps you keep your cloud options open.

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possibility his lawyers are talking to the government about having teixeira cooperate by revealing how much he had actually downloaded and disclosed. the intelligence wing of the air force massachusetts national guard has been ordered to stand down from its mission and to be reassigned joining me now ken dilanian and former u.s. attorney paul charlton ken, first to you. teixeira appeared for three minutes in court it was not the full detention hearing on whether to hold him or not hold him. which they could have had witnesses or rather testimony. this was a five-minute deal which could mean that they are talking behind the scenes. what more do we know about the damage assessment and -- did he have access to these top secrets or did he navigate the various platforms, the secure parts of

the internet that he was supposedly not supposed to have access to? >> those questions are still up in the air, andrea this hearing was a reminder of how starkly this person's life has changed in the course of a week he was an airman at a national guard base in massachusetts. today he was wearing an orange prison jumpsuit with his hands cuffed in front of him he briefly looked at the gallery, we are told he addressed the judge and asserted it was his idea, his decision to remain in jail for however long it takes to have the next detention hearing, which as you said, suggests that he may be cooperating. i would be surprised, frankly, if he wasn't cooperating given what we know about him and his stance and his friends are saying that -- and associates are saying he was patriotic and never intended for the documents to go into the public the way they have. in terms of the damage, it continues to multiply. front page story in "the washington post" today about a newly leaked document, not seen

by nbc news, discussing a chinese hypersonic drone program. these are just incredibly sensitive intelligence reports that are now being seen by everyone in the world. you are right. the military is now in crisis mode, trying to figure out the answer to your question, whether he had complete access to this on his own or whether he used his administrative privileges to get access the intelligence wing has been stood down, is no longer fulfilling its mission the pentagon grappled with how this happened and how they can prevent it from happening again, including the question of, do too many people have access? >> in fact, ken, the air force secretary has ordered a system-wide standdown for retraining on how they are handling secrets. >> that's right. that's because it's very clear that even what standards are in place now were not followed. you shouldn't be able to print things out without others knowing. as you know, the printing out of

classified documents is logged within the system. the fact that he was able to get this stuff out and get it uploaded to a server without the government knowing about it for potentially months clearly shows the system broke down here it's raising larger questions about why there are 1.3 million people with access to the most sensitive secrets, including people who are low level enlisted members of the military >> paul, prosecutors went along with this continuance. what does that tell about you what might be happening behind the scenes one of the options is that it could be the defense attorneys have decided that early on and now would be a good time to seek cooperation with the government. an espionage case, it's not unusual. you have accessed and unlawfully shared it, they will go to the government, ask the government if they can cooperate in the

hope that by coop raying, sharing the information on how it is they got this information, with whom they shared this classified information, the hope would be you may receive a reduced sentence that is one very real possibility. it's often tactically smart for defense attorneys to take that approach it could be that they simply want more time as they said in their pleading to prepare for the upcoming detention hearing as to the detention hearing, i think we can safely say on my experience there is zero likelihood that this defendant would ever be released prior to a trial. >> joining me now -- thank you, ken, paul. joining me now is jeremy bash, the former chief of staff to secretary panetta. let's follow up on thchlt. you are familiar with the systems. you have dealt with it what about this supposed need to know why does -- why does a

21-year-old in the massachusetts air national guard have a need to know about intelligence, the most secret intelligence we have, between the egyptian president and his team about whether to give rockets to russia >> he probably doesn't to be clear, i haven't seen the documents, haven't been brief and hadn't looked to find them i would say we array a lot of defenses against outside agencies and entities trying to hack into our systems, whether china or russia or other sophisticated adversaries. i will submit to you and most leaders agree the hardest threat to defeat is an insider. the insider threat, someone who has lawful access to the facility, someone who can drive on a military base, can log on to the computer system has a reason to be there has cover for action either for malicious reasons or because he is simply misguided or immature or wants to show off to his friends as has been reported in the media, compromises the secrets of our

nation how do we defeat that? you can have audit trails, red flags, people looking over each oers's shoulders a two person rule you can't download or print something unless two people agree. perhaps he was printing this for a superior who said print that for me and bring it to me. the papers were on his desk. you can't check everybody driving off every base in america. >> let's drill down on that. lloyd austin was asked about this today what about this 21-year-old? why didn't we have a better personality provide? he had a lot of flags from what we know. here is what he had to say >> the vast majority of our military is young. it's not exceptional that young people are doing important things in our military that's really not the issue. the issue is -- by the way, he had a top secret clearance

the issue is how you responsibly execute or carry out your duties and how you protect the information. >> he had top secret clearance we don't know whether he was simply so adept on the computer at navigating around what he was not supposed to look at or whether he was supposed to look at this stuff. you said they can't bag check everyone you leave a library with rare books and you have to open your bag on departure our bases are larger than some cities >> you could probably check a couple hundred people walking out of the rare book library at the library of congress. there are 3 million people in the department of defense. they are all over the world. 1.4 million in active duty 800,000 civilians, 800,000 contractors. then there are contractors that's beyond the 3 million. the fbi, the state department. we have millions and millions of people who are trusted with

sensitive information. as secretary austin said, many of these people doing very hard jobs including lethal jobs in the military and are entrusted with weapons and tanks and airplanes, things that are more damaging to human life than a document, they are pretty young. the answer really here is training it's counterintelligence it's internal security procedures it's audit trails. fundamentally, it's about loyalty. making sure people who come into our government are loyal the antidote to leaks is not investigations and audit trails. it's loyalty >> one of the new leaks that has been reported -- this is "the washington post" -- is that china may have a cutting-edge supersonic drone, which could evade a lot of our air defenses. >> i think we have been concerned at a general level about clihina's hypersonic weaponry and their ability to target long-range targets in the united states but also in the pacific. that could really be a threat to our military operating around

hawaii, guam and other waters near the united states 57bd our territories. that's definitively an area of concern for leaders. >> one other thing, some people are blaming the fixes after the 9/11 commission which was to eliminate stovepiping where there was segmentation between agents and intelligence agencies that nobody was talking to each other. is there too many communication? >> i think we have to look at this case to determine whether or not the need to share imperative, which is what replaced the need to know imperative after 9/11, has gone too far. maybe with the proliferation of computer systems and the growth of the national security establishment, maybe there are too many people with access. maybe there's over classification of information. there are a lot of systemic questions that this case will help us ask and hopefully answer >> over classification has been a theme that i have been hearing since daniel patrick moynihan wrote a book about it 20 years ago.

there are a lot of things to look at. >> if you and i asked each other out to have a drink, a beer, that email would be classified >> that's silly. we have done that. we have at least had a beer. thank you. >> thanks, andrea. waiting time, a decision from the supreme court could come at any moment on the future of that widely used abortion pill you are watching "andrea mitchell reports." stay with us this is msnbc. hey, dad. i got an a on my book report. -and i scored a goal on ashley. -that's cool.

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we are awaiting a decision that could come at any moment ahead of the supreme court's midnight deadline that could throw the widely used and long approved medication abortion pill into regulatory chaos effectively, make every dose that's on the market illegal joining me now, kimberly atkins stohr and back with me is former u.s. attorney harry lipman kim, if the court keeps the pill on the market under the 2016 guidelines, on the surface that would look like patients would need to jump through more hoops to gain access to it in practice there would be no pill available to be prescribed possibly for months in the briefing overnight, the administration, the doj has written that every existing package of the drug would instantly become misbranded and could not be lawfully introduced into interstate commerce the fda and the drug's

manufacturer would have to adjust the drug's labeling to account for the lower court's actions, a process that could take months. the dosage would be different, for one thing. the practicality of extending the current stay is daunting there could be a longer stay there are several options here or they could lift the stay and it would go into affect immediately. >> yes, all of those things are options. if the supreme court doesn't act at all or if it lifts the stay, the limitations you talked about from 2016 and onward could go into place not only would it cause the very sort of logistic problems that you are outlining there, it would change the way this drug is distributed even if it is available. it would require women to have to go to three doctor visits instead of having this administered at home it would be unable to be shipped the way it can be now. it would only be able to be used up to seven weeks of pregnancy

instead of ten ten weeks is still very early in a first trimester. it's at a time where some women don't know they are pregnant it would limit that ability even more by taking those later things away. i think even though it would be available, technically, i think in actuality, it would be out of reaches to millions of people. >> harry, let's talk about some other aspects of this. you were a former supreme court clerk. you studied this there is credible reporting from our own correspondent laura jarrett, from others whom i have spoken to in print and broadcast, who cover the court full-time who say the court is further behind than it has ever been in its docket no one knows why there's supposition it could be post dobbs and the leak that they are not circulating early drafts the way they used to. we don't know. whatever it is, that they are way behind and this could even

be postponing this to hear oral arguments, extending everything and putting it on the fall docket what do you think could be going on >> i think on this, they have a lot of really contentious cases. they don't hear that many. way behind might not mean all that much in terms of numbers of cases. i think they are hammering out drafts in the most important cases and that's taking a while. to kim's point, everything she says is right. mayhem will occur if they do anything other than grant a full stay the point you raised makes it less likely that they would do something that the plaintiffs have asked, cl iwhich is take t case on right away but decide it by june. all the doj is asking is for a stay that covers the situation before the suit was brought. anything else would create -- if they do the half stay that the fifth circuit did, we are in

this really chaotic mayhem regulatory period. it's going to come out any time today. i think it's likely they will grant the full stay. we will see whether they decide it or the fifth circuit does otherwise, tit's upended and it makes a crazy, immediate situation for millions of women. >> harry, doesn't what the court has decided at the lower level and the appeals court level, doesn't that contradict the dobbs decision which says it should be a state's decision >> 100%. this is part of what's happening after. the court itself told us now it returns for a state by state, but we have all these nationwide efforts to really reach beyond individual states to really attack abortion wherever it occurs that's a really strong point it's part of a national campaign

that the court said we wouldn't be waging. of course, it's not up to the court. it's up to individuals who start it you are right. >> i know you will all be standing by. laura jarrett is standing by it could happen in the next 29, 30 minutes while we are on the air or throughout the day. you have to keep watching msnbc. kimberly atkins stohr, harry lipman, thank you so much. trapped in russia. american journalist evan gershkovich beginning his fourth week behind bars, facing charges of espionage we will talk to a former cia officer about what's being done to bring limb home a lot more on her plate. you arwae tching "andrea mitchell reports." this is msnbc. what is it about the first warm breeze of the season that makes you feel lighter than air? ♪ no matter where you are... when it crosses your path... you'll feel compelled to take to the road

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"wall street journal" reporter evan gershkovich remains behind bars after that russian court denied his appeal and refused to grant him bail. today marks three weeks of detention, almost four weeks of gershkovich. he was seen for the first time publically yesterday in court since his arrest in late march he faces espionage charges, which the u.s. government calls baseless he has denied it as has "the wall street journal. joining me is a former cia caseworker congresswoman, what more can the u.s. be doing. we have seen an attempt by the

state department they have just a week ago wrongfully -- declared him wrongfully detained. paul whelan, who has been in jail for four years on a 16-year sentence for spying, also falsely according to everyone, the state department, himself, his family says he feels abandoned. he has been left behind twice before by high profile detainees, trevor reed and brittney griner getting out and he is still there. >> andrea, you are speaking to the tragedy of americans held behind bars in countries like russia we know that, you mentioned mr. whelan, you mentioned "the wall street journal" journalist the reality is that americans are being held throughout the world by regimes like russia and other adversary nations. the state department has and must continue to aggressively work for their release

notably in the case of journalists, more than 500 worldwide are currently being detained for doing their journalistic work. certainly, in the case of american journalists, as a former cia officer, now as a member of the house intelligence committee, i can tell you that we were always very, very clear that the cia, when we were overseas, when we were at home, we went nowhere near american journalists. they were doing their work we had a prohibition, very clear, on ever engaging so that if someone was on to us, it never linked back to true journalists like evan. so it's just an absolute horror what is happening to him i expect the state department to work aggressively and tirelessly to get him and every other detained american home >> of course, vladimir putin is acheering the purpose of getting others to be reluctant to go or if they go be very worried about what they can say.

for fear -- we have the fact of the only remaining, very prominent critic, because navalny has been in jail and they say -- list people say he might be slowly being poisons. he was sentenced to 25 years yesterday. he is a "washington post" contributor. >> this sexis the purpose of a regime like russia's putin's efforts to ensure no information is getting out, that there's no sunlight shed on the atrocities that are being -- that are being managed by the russian government in ukraine and elsewhere, efforts to mislead the russian people about their war that they are waging in ukraine those who have been bringing light, russian nationals or americans or other nationalities, those who have the solemn duty of keeping their neighbor's global or domestic

informed, russia seeks to silence them they silence dissent they are silencing journalists it's certainly ly against ameri values in addition to the reality there are americans being held in russian prisons, that we also need to stand up for journalistic freedoms because they are just foundational to freedom worldwide. >> let me ask you about the air national guardsman in massachusetts. he was in court briefly. he is still being held without bail questions are being raised about whether his top secret clearance gave him access to some of the highly secret, no foreign use supposedly segmented intelligence about foreign leaders, electronic intelligence, or whether he was just so adept being an i.t. guy that he could get around whatever barriers existed. do you know which it is?

>> i don't yet know which it is. i think there's multiple questions here certainly, was he given to access to something he shouldn't have had access to or in the event that he might have just been able to gain access because of his i.t. know how, what precautions were not in place in this circumstance that there weren't red flags? this man who might have been accessing information, even if he had access to it and rightful access to it, certainly arguably whether he should have had it or not, but even if he was accessing information that at the time he was allowed to access, how was he able to do that outside of his job function those are serious questions that we have, that i have as a member of the intelligence committee as we conduct oversight on this issue. because we have to understand how he was able to gain access to this information.

what efforts he was able to undertake on the system so that we can learn from this and moving forward ensure no person with the types of intentions he had is able to do so notably, there has to be an assessment of what counterintelligence efforts were in place this man clearly had anti-government thoughts and intentions how was that not putting him on the radar of security individuals within his agency? >> you are going to get a briefing this afternoon, the house and senate are we sure that russian operatives -- one has been named who might have -- who had access to the stuff might have been distorting it. could russia, china or other adversaries have been using these documents to work against our interests? >> russia and the chinese communist party are working against our interests on a daily basis in a variety of ways

certainly, having access to classified information, whether they distorted it or not, the very fact that it's been released allows them an extra tool in their toolbox, as they seek to either misinform the public or sow disinformation campaigns and division campaigns. >> congresswoman, thank you so much for being with us today >> thank you so much for having me thank you to all the journalists. senseless shootings. two tragedies, similar circumstances. prompting questions about stand your ground laws that's next. you are watching "andrea mihetcll reports" on msnbc heck*e you're ready for anything. marriage. kids. college. kids moving back in after college. ♪ finally we can eat. ♪ you know you make me wanna...♪ and then we looked around and said, wait a minute, this isn't even our stroller! (laughing) you live with your parents, but you own a house in the metaverse? mhm. cool...i don't get it.

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this follows the case in kansas city where the while man accused of shooting ralph yarl is out on bail an attorney for the yarl family tweeting this photo of the recovering teenager, saying it's a miracle the bullet to his head did not cause daniel or more damage, i should say there's emotional damage antonia hylton joining us now. there's two cheerleaders in texas, they were shot outside a supermarket after going into the wrong car. guns are at the center of these cases. too many guns, too many hands, race is a big factor, certainly in kansas city >> that's right. the prosecutor in this case out of kansas city acknowledged the other day in a press conference, there's a racial component to this case. he didn't aelaborate further on what that will mean. we know they are not charging

andrew lester with a hate crime. part of the explanation has been that the other two felonies, first degree assault and armed criminal action, are more serious. he is likely if not guilty to spend the rest of his life behind bars for this right now, the prosecutors are holding back it caused an uproar in the community, particularly in black neighborhoods where people want to see, whether it's federal authorities or for this prosecutor come forward and do a real hate crime investigation here with the sense there's a racial component here, they want to know more about andrew lester, what wortds might have been exchanges, what was going on in his mind that night when he shot through the glass door as you mentioned, ralph is on a long road to recovery now. hit with two gunshot wounds, one to the head that has caused a traumatic brain injury listen to his mom. >> ralph is home because he is

surrounded by a team of medical professionals. i'm a nurse for almost 20 years. his aunt is physical therapy his uncle is a medical professional that's why he is home. let's put that into perspective. when you see your kid sits there and constantly he just -- tears are rolling from both sides of his eyes, there's nothing you can say to him >> we still have to make the parallels here to what we are tracking happening in new york with this young 20-year-old woman shot and killed when she was essentially looking for a party. ended up in the wrong driveway similar to what we have seen transpire in kansas city nbc news digital colleagues of ours, they were able to get an exclusive with her boyfriend who described how they had no cell service. they thought they were in the right place. they tried to turn around. ended up having to drive for miles before they were able to get help and reach anyone. >> antonia hylton, thanks.

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ron desantis is in south carolina today, a key early primary state, of course, as former president trump continues to consolidate support among the republicans, joining, gabe gutierrez, charlie sykes, and from the obama white house press secretary robert gibbs first you covering desantis' war on disney, heating up there in florida, providing an opening from the attack from the potential 2024 rivals. you spoke with the state house speaker, strong desantis ally, what did he have to say? >> hi there, andrea, good afternoon, this is all playing out against the backdrop of the florida state legislation. just this week the senator introduced an amendment to try to wrestle back four from

disney, andrea, as you know, an ongoing feud from last year with disney when the company opposed what the critics don't say gay bill and reeling in south carolina against disney while a state board that oversees the company met in orlando, and plans to vote on a few things next week but this all comes as governor desantis, again, tries to make the case for why his vision actually should be seen on a national level when i spoke to the house speaker, a staunch ally of his, who defended him today as the governor stepped his attacks on disney take a listen. >> just yesterday, former president trump called this a political stunt. what's your response to that >> again, it depends on whether we should pick winners or losers and whether or not you think disney should have status over every business in florida, that's fine. but we say everybody has to play by the same rules. >> can the governor beat

president trump? >> we'll talk about when we get there, we'll see how the voters decide that ultimately, not me, not you. >> reporter: again, several weeks in the florida legislation, this all comes, andrea, as the congressional delegation here in florida, only six members have actually endorsed former president trump instead of their sitting governor andrea >> charlie sipes, he just mentioned that in the interview, to navigate the don't say gay bill, the florida legislation voted to pass an expansion through all grades of schools. he's carving out a niche for himself as a conservative candidate. >> wyeah, but he may be misreading the rule here obviously, the trip to washington was not a success and doublinging down on the war against disney, just strikes me as an ultimate destructive move.

we're talking be a company responsible for $75 million in economic impact. paid about $6 billion in taxes has 45,000 employees if they were to believe that the state were imperil 400,000 jobs. how does he think this is going to end how does he think this is a model for the rest of the country, to use the power of the government, to go after and attack one of his state's most successful iconic and wealthiest companies? how is this conservative so, this is one of those fights, ron desantis has convinced himself that he's got to show that he's a fighter, that he won't back down, that he'll never give up. but i think he's picked the wrong fight. and you know how bad it is when even donald trump is trumped >> robert gibbs, let's talk about that, i think i have just lost -- what he was saying, so, just gibbs, if you don't mind picking it up from there how does this play in the

general election >> poorly at best. you know, i mean, i think, whether you look at a lot of this legislation, whether or not you look at permitless cherry, or whether you look at the abortion ban at six weeks, that desantis is pushing, all of this stuff may play really well in the very margins, or in probably the heat of a republican primary. but when you get into suburban america and you get into, probably, seven or eight swing states that are going to decide this election, they're deeply unpopular. you know, andrea, i was really struck by what the house speaker said there, i think there was a little tell, when he said, when we get there, meaning to this battle between desantis and trump, i think that's a bit of an interesting tell. their plan is to campaign at very different levels. desantis is trying to go around, unimpeded and introduce himself to people in florida donald trump is running a campaign against ron desantis

right now. one is playing chess, one is playing checkers and right now, that's very different in how this looks. and in the outcome, and the feel, for what it's impacting ron desantis' campaign >> gabe gutierrez, charlie sykes, robert gibbs, thanks for being with us. "chris jansing reports" will start in a moment, and thanks to you, this is "andrea mitchell reports" on mitchell reports on twitter. ♪ good day, i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. making simple mistakes is part of who we are as people. it's called being human. so why are more and more people getting shot for making them three incidents, three victims all in less than a week. the latest happening less than 36 hours ago in