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years. and i spent a lot of time in their, actually helping out. and i had a niece that was 1 years old. i watch our patrons, after they've been drinking for most of the day, hit on her, an make all kinds of sexual innuendos. >> you, know the state senator they're making a pretty good point, about whether we want 14, 15, 16-year-olds working i taverns, people are drinking all day. i remember when i was, 14 an my first job in the bronx, kne i had to apply for working papers, you can just do it automatically. that seems like a pretty goo check. the restrictions on the labor can, do -- we're gonna continue to monitor, jennifer sherr, thanks for monitoring your expertise with us >> that is all in for this wednesday night. good evening alex. you know chris
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>> child labor >> the regulatory environmen around child labor loosey-goosey, but when it comes to women, making decisions about their own body overall down the gates >> very strict >> side note, i did not know you worked at the bronx zoo. >> first job, i was a cashie in the wild asia section i was pretty good, if i do say so myself. moved a lot of soda myself >> that's got huge where you are now. >> thank you my friend and thanks to all of you a home for joining us this hour. yesterday, when the news broke that fox had reached a last-minute settlement wit dominion, over the network's false claims about the 202 election, there is surprise an there is disappointment. >> damage. i want to trial. i want it. >> i guess it's satisfying for dominion that rebar to por over - what we need is fox news personalities to look into the
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camera and admit that they lie over and over again about th 2020 election. >> america did not get to watc rupert murdoch raise his right hand and swear to tell the truth the whole truth an nothing but the truth. the country did not cut se testimony, from sean hannity and tucker carlson they did no get any mea culpas under oath. what the country did get to se is a 787.5 million dolla concession from fox. and nearly 788 million dolla payout that suggests fox was scared about what awaited th company a trial of price tag big enough that it verges on something that a lot of people have been searching for for long time. accountability and it wasn't just the money there were also the texts an emails and depositions yesterday we learned tha dominion waited until the very last minute to settle, despite early offers from fox, because dominion wanted to make public
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as much evidence as possible about foxes false election claims >> for us the first thing wa we wanted to make sure that we had a time for all of the trut to come out, we were not willing to settle until th reams of information that we are able to gain through the discovery process had an opportunity to see the light o day. that's a very important thin for us >> it may not be tucker carlso looking straight into th camera and admitting that he lied over and over again but the 2020 election, if stephe colbert would like it. but it feels an all simple lot like accountability season look at what's happening dow in washington d.c. according to the justice department, as of april 6th. over 1000 defendants in th u.s. capitol attack, have been arrested including this man here, dominic pezzola, a member of
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the proud boys, who today by the way blame the police first rain up the crowd. but this, man christophe albert, who's armed with a concealed firearm, when he charged at police at the capitol today mr. albert was found guilty on all five count sure looks like accountability and then there are the central players in that same plot. the architects of the big lie. >> yesterday, in georgia district attorney fought fan willis whose investigating trump's attempt to overturn th results of the 2020 election interstate she filed a motion t disqualify the lawyer who' representing ten of the states fake republican electors now, some of the information i miss willis's motion, so the information suggests that some of those fake electors, ma just be looking at cooperating with the d.a.. which could spell trouble fo the georgia republican party and trouble for donald trump i particular and today we turn that boris epshteyn, a top trump advisor in a semi kind o
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personal lawyer for trump is scheduled to be interviewe tomorrow by prosecutors in the special counsel's office it's under clear whether he' been interviewed on the subjec of january 6th, or mar-a-lago, or on both of those things but given his world in the trump universe, this is significant development in a significant set of investigations so the big wheels on the accountability road show, they do seem to be turning. but that does not mean tha some people want to everything their power, to grind this movement to a halt some people like congressman jim jordan, i is now chair of the hous judiciary committee, and hea of the ironically name subcommittee on th weaponization of the federal government chairman jordan is doing something fairly unusual, mayb even unconstitutional. to put a stop to all thi accountability he is directly interfering i the only criminal indictment against donald trump in attempt to inject healthy
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dot dose a very questionable congressional oversight and mr bags investigation chairman jordan is trying to force attorney frank promise t testify before congress. now, if you remember, pomerant was a manhattan prosecutor, wh once flooded investigation int the fraud of the trump organization, under th previous manhattan d.a.. cy vance mr. pomerantz resigned early last, year when the new g8 decided not to seek an indictment against trump for that fraud at that time. and after, mr. pomerantz resigned, he wrote a book abou that experience, which mr. bragg did not appreciate chairman jordan now wants mark pomerantz to testify on th record and he wants to know two things, one, what were the interna deliberations not to indic trump back when mr. pomerant was sworn in the show. because that information, ca presumably be very useful to a group of people who don't want trump to be indicted, in a broader fraud case and two, mr. jordan wants to
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find out what did the ea's office - what the d.a.'s office did hav on donald trump and hi potentially fraudulent busines dealings because again, that informatio could presumably be useful to group of people who might want to mounted offense, if mr. trump is indicted in a broader fraud case so the accountability road sho continues, and so does the unaccountability road show apparently now mr. bragg's office, sued mr. jordan to block him from enforcing the subpoena to mark pomerantz. but today, district judge mary this goes, hold denied mr. bragg's request for preliminary injunction quote, the subpoena was issued with a valid legislative purpose, in connection with th fraud and indispensabl congressional power to conduct investigations mr. pomerantz must appear, for the congressional deposition no one is above the law. the a bragg's office has now filed notice, that he is appealing that decision, and i
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is worth noting that all o this, is taking place on the very same day, that alle weisselberg, the former chie financial officer of the trump organization, was released fro rikers, after serving roughl four months for his role on decade long tax fraud scheme it still weisselberg, appear to remain lawyer to loyal to mr. trump, but he's the kind o witness, that if flipped for the prosecution, could secur once and for all accountability for donal trump. and that is accountability with a capital a joining us now is catherin christian, a former specia assistant va, in the manhattan d.a.'s office. catherine, thanks so much fo being here >> my pleasure >> so, first let's talk abou what's happening with th testimony, the subpoena of mar pomerantz. >> well, chairman jordan had a big victory today. it's been appealed the judge wrote a very biting, 25-page decision denying, d.a. bragg's motion t
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quash a subpoena in fact, she said that this wa a lawsuit dressed up, really - it's really a motion to quas the subpoena, and it's not a lawsuit. she also critique mr. bags lawyers for not following cour procedure. she took about 18 excerpts fro mark pomerantz's book, excerpt that shows that he critique th hush money investigation the one that is now been indicted in fact, he even quotes, and this is according to mr. pomerantz. he quotes mr. bragg same, that he can't say oh -- for testimony. >> and michael cohen, it's o course a star witness of the d.a.'s office. >> so the judge put thos excerpts in the decision she also said the first 35 pages of the complaint, was public relations tirade, against former president trump so, she put a lot into the decision, the judge, that wa
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varied critical of the a brag, and the decision to try to prevent mr. pomerantz from testifying in fact she even said, there i a book, and the d.a.'s office, did write a letter to hi publisher, and ask them not to do it, but they never sued they never took any othe action, and the judge wa careful of that. they had an opportunity to prevent book from bein published, which actuall would've probably lost, becaus that would be prior restraint. but they didn't take tha opportunity, according to this decision by the judge. >> it sounds like the fact tha mr. pomerantz went public by the, book was so much of his experience in the d.a.'s office it really complicates all this effort, right? why don't you think d.a. bragg why didn't he amounts stronger sort of offense, in terms of at least speed on the record saying, this book is on authorized, we do not want t publish. >> well, he wrote a letter t simon and schuster, where th publishers he had the association for prosecuting attorneys issue an ethics opinion, stating that
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this was improper, and i believe his general counse said, correctly, that would be considered prior restraint if you try to preven publishing a book, then yo might know lose that so he did vocally say, thi book was done without hi permission, of course mall mar pomerantz to, say i didn't nee your permission. so it is really this book ha caused a lot of problems, as dea bragg has thought that i would, and now it has. >> and now it's been effectively weaponized >> so from your point of view, how valuable is pomerantz' testimony, both in terms of th offense, in terms of prosecuting trump, and a defense of house republicans would like to presumably him out for donald trump >> well devalue, quite frankly as many people did not rea this book. i read the book, many people didn't so, now there will be public hearings, he will spot what he put in the book. now, that will become public and people who didn't read the book, i will now hear it
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and also the jury panel, who will be selected will now, hear his opinions, about the strength of the case or lack thereof of the cas that is now been indicted. so that's the value, and that' probably one of the reasons why, this committee wants him t testify, so he can say what he wrote publicly >> the committee wants a lot they want all document basically, they contain th world on a trump i paraphrase, but they have dragnet, basically, of information that they woul like from the d.a.'s office, and i wonder if they are concerned about, the broader fraud case those started under cy vance, the d.a. bragg say has suggested continues in his office today on the bread crumbs, basically, the mark pomerant might be able to give them, to basically develop a strategy if and when debris granny on else goes further with a broader fraud indictments. >> an argument can be made tha that's what they're doing, the did not request mr. pomerant
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to produce documents but they did send a letter t d.a. bragg and requests that h come testify and produce documents, they also sent letter to the member of th trial team, and asked that h come testify and produce documents. india bragged said, that i investigation is still continuing that's actually th investigation, but the attorne general for new york state, ha brought a lawsuit against mr trump, and his family. >> so that could be a criminal indictment, it's now a civil fraud case but that could be a criminal indictment. >> which would carry big implications in terms of not just accountability but in terms of crimes, right it's a way a yea investigation. >> what if mr. weisselberg newly released from rikers, he has counsel at least what we'r hearing is that this council i
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potentially more of a hire lying had he read the te leaves on where alle weisselberg maybe, terms of hi -- >> he clearly shows a valuable witness against donald trump and he has now testified at th trial, with the trum organization, and he was beneficial to the prosecutio but also beneficial to the defense. sophie has a lawyer that sam mccain's and speaking to the d.a.'s office that he's no gonna cooperate. >> yeah, but the d.a.'s office would very much like him t cooperate. >> exactly, and we don't kno whether or not they have other charges they may have over his head so not clear about that. if they, do that could be reason to have them consider that maybe he might want t cooperate. >> and not spend the rest of his earthly years in jail. >> he 75 years old, and it's not fun to be incarcerated
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>> right, and it's not a understatement, right? we know dash many case the d.a bragg presented, certainly implicates allen weisselberg it does not -- i'm not saying, to say, an maybe that catherine christian, thank you for time and expertise is, always great to see you. >> we have a lot more to get t this evening, the shadow primary between donald trump and ron desantis, cranks int high gear, as the florid governor's legislative accomplishments, our undercu by his inability to secure actual legislative endorsements and, with the fate of abortion still in the hands of th supreme court. pharma issues a cry for help or more precisely, a lawsuit will it sway the court conservatives? that is next having triplets is... -amazing -expensive. so, we switched to the bargain detergent, but we ended up using three times as much and the clothes still weren't as clean as with tide. so we're back with tide,
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when it dismantled roe v. wade the supreme court basicall said it was done with th business of adjudicating abortion, the justices sai we're kicking it down to the states, thank you very much, please do not come knocking on a door again cameras later, it's clear, the well the supreme court was getting itself it is very much in the busines of adjudicating abortion there is a ruling from a
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federal judge in texas, they basically undid the fd approval of mifepristone, th first of two bills used to medication abortion, but the supreme court agrees to allo that texas ruling to go into effect it will be like we are back in the year 1999, before american had access to a drug that has strong safety record, and ha been used by millions of peopl in this country in the past 30 years. if the supreme court does do that, they ought to do it with a competing ruling that came down almost immediately afte that texas ruling. this, one from a federal judge in washington state, who ordered the fda not to restric access to mifepristone so what is a court to let that -- and those reeling from the six court of appeals, one that starts to strike a middl ground, that one wants to send america back to the year 2015, where the fda tweaked its rule about mifepristone that ruling from the fifth circuit, allows mifepristone t
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stray on the market, but wit strict limits, like banning it use after seven weeks of pregnancy, barring mifepriston from being sent in the mail, and reversing the fda' approval of a generic versio of mifepristone. as it turns, out that too is a complicated path because today, there is a ne law straight from the generi version of mifepristone. the company that makes it is now suing the fda to keep th agency from complying, if th court orders generic mifepristone off of pharmacy shelves. so, with all this legal call facing a court, but dollars ou of the business of abortion law, is it any wonder that a fe hours ago justice alito bought himself some time to think about everything now aledo had put a temporar pause on the ruling by the lower court, and that temporar pause was supposed to expire tonight at midnight. but today, justice alito gav himself just a few more days they give the court some tim to figure out what to do joining us now is --
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a former federal and state prosecutor in new york kelly, it's great to see you that seems like a colossal mes and one -- i might add, completely of the supreme court's making so my sympathy only extends so far. what do you think of alito self-imposed midnight deadline that he then then extend t another self imposed deadlin two days later >> so, there's no rule tha says the court has to give a deadline one of the issues, a temporary stay that's a practice toledo has so i made a deadline, and th supreme court wasn't gonna make, it so he's extended it it's not really about justic alito, it's not really meaningful that comes from him he just happens to be th justice who deals with the fifth circuit, so doesn't give us an insight into what he's thinking, i think what it tell us is that someone at th supreme court, is writin something about the ultimate decision they're making, about whether to keep this stay in place. so, to keep that texas distric court opinion from going int
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effect, while the entire thing is briefed, and the merits mak their way up to the suprem court. >> so -- someone i put a court is writing someone. >> that is what we call deep to, use tally, what is tha something? because all these paths, short of throwing these things out o standing, which is obviously something they couldn't should do, she's pretty complicated when they want to play bal with anti choice conservatives they have nothing to do, but keep seeming to appease. when you think's gonna happen, what do you think that something is a science writing >> well, if i have to gues with more specificity. i think that the court is goin to keep this stay in place while this case is developed and until they make a fina decision, i'll go even farther into making predictions, i think that ultimately the fd is going to, when th plaintiffs brought this lawsuit, are going to lose.
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and the reason why is that the fifth circuit's standing decision, is it's not just intention, 50 years a suprem court doctrine, about, standin up to who gets the very hostil to federal court it that is completely done opposite, the court said, th rules are really important the standing here says thi distinctly is probable inevitable likely they use all this kind of language, tha some of these e.r. doctors are gonna deal with a botche medical abortion, at some point, and they're gonna be reall traumatized by it. they can be injured by that so they can bring thi lawsuit. it's really frustrated civility to educate people about the pills. they can bring this lawsuit. but that is actually the opposite, kind of a doctrine that has been developed so people can just go into federa court, and get policy made
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tough policy be made by judges rather than by legislators and i just don't see a majorit of this court, this is not a left right issue i don't see the majority of this, cour blessing this, because it woul just change what happens i federal court, in such a profound way that goes way beyond anything having to deal with abortion. >> there's also previous recognition -- the justices own records o this justice kavanaugh, if he wants an off ramp for all of this, they far my angle, the fda involvement in all this. i mean, you know, when he was judge on the d.c. circui court. his opinions were pretty clear at one point, i think we hav an analysis of this. one, point he urged judges t defer to the fda, and othe scientific agencies, largely o the grounds that courts coul not compete with the agency' expertise. he also sided with the fda o the case of why the agency should be forced to provid
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access to an unapproved rug. well, the in four inverse of that is been forced to tak away access to an approved drug, right? you think you would follow suit it seems like the writing is o the wall for this, and yet, don't know, i just wonder if the courts are gonna be take off as a mechanism to enforc abortion restrictions. >> so i don't think it completely, but i think in thi case yes because we start talking about that's a gateway issue, can' bring the lawsuit, there's nothing left to say. even if there had to get past, that but as you said, alex the idea of getting into the business of the fda's decision making, and the decision-makin of other agencies in thi invasive way, is just so har to absorb, for the pharmaceutical industries, and that's the second reason, why think that ultimately, the fda's actually gonna win thi one. >> do you see what's happening here setting the actual issu of abortion aside for a minute
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the idea that you have thi judge, that's trump appointe judge who's known as a activist, a conservative radical if you will, in some corners. they judge shopped to get th suit in front of him, at the same time, a judge i washington state is kind o casting an eye to what's happening in texas, and passin his own ruling, to kind of preemptively create chaos here or a roadblock if you will so this has to go up the chain of the courts. is just a way that we are goin to - this is the future for america right? they have effectively differen circuits, different, judge blue state judges, red state judges competing with each other. blue state judges to enshrin freedom, and red state judge in some places foreclose on th freedoms, this is how we fight are valid bills now? through different judicial rulings? >> as a lawyer, and as a american i sure hope not this is an intersection of two really troubling things. one is, the shopping for the
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judge, we have always had some form of shopping, but now it's possible to target a specific, judge not just a district wher you choose to bring your case. coupled with the rise in nationwide injunctions, whic again both left and right have criticized, the idea that on judge, even if you are chose at random, makes a decisio that affects the whole country it's not an absolutely necessary to do so and he put those two thing together, you wind up in the such situation that we're in here and we're now up to thre different district courts, tha are weighing in, on this one lawsuit really this one issu about the approval years and years ago, decades ago of th abortion pill. >> you have to say that number 19, to go back to on mifepristone was reall actually been initiall regulated. i don't, now it just seems lik a very combustible moment, and could really undermine the legitimacy of the courts tally via hagen weinstein,
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culture. in american jurisprudence it i difficult to convict a white man for harming a black child. it should not be so. i hope this case turns the tide >> 84-year-old andrew lester was arraigned today in cla county, missouri, for shooting 16-year-old ralph yarl after yarl rang's doorbell lester pleaded not guilty to charges of armed assault o criminal action. his next court date is scheduled for june 1st the reason why mr. lester wa arraigned just today, which is a week after he shot ralph yar is because police let andrew lester go. the night of the shooting, lester told police that he acted in self-defense, that he was scared to death of yarl' size according to the family of ralph yarl, the teen is five
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foot eight, and weighs 140 pounds also remember that missouri is a stand-your-ground state, where you do not have the duty to retreat if you reasonably fear death or bodily harm. you don't have to retreat. you can just shoot so andrew lester stood his ground and police let him go that's why hundreds of protesters gathered in kansa city's northland, north of the missouri river, where th shooting happened. they wanted-year-old shooter arrested and they wanted him charged and they want to the northland community to grapple with its history of racism when black residents in that area first heard of yarl's shooting, they echoed th missouri naacp's president statement that it brought back the sentiment that african americans, black people, jus don't belong there now what is notable abou northland, aside from the fact that 60% of its residents ar white, is that it is withi clay county, a staunchly republican area. clay county vote overwhelmingly for donald trum
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both times, just like the stat itself missouri voted for trump i both elections missouri is one of about 3 states with stand-your-groun laws on the books. it is also one of the states that enslaved black people before the end of the civi war. if you're wondering what those two maps have to do with eac other, it turns out they have lot to do with each other. the right to armed self-defens like stand-your-ground stems from the second amendment whic says a well regulated militi being necessary to the securit of a free state, the right of, the people to keep and bea arms shall not be infringed. that amendment has been th nra's rallying cry for years here's the thing the second amendment was ratified when southern state enslaved black people. that amendment did not apply t enslaved people. instead, historians argued i was created because of them. the militias referenced in the second amendment were primaril there to aid slave patrols and shut down slavery revolts. they were worried abou
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uprisings. in 2021 historian carole anderson described the event i that inspired that fear, it wa the haitian revolution this country has a long histor of gun policy the buttresses the power of white americans a the expense of black people. historians argue that histor is still alive today, both i the application of our gun law and in american culture itself it was seemingly alive i november, 2021, when kyl rittenhouse, the teenager wh fatally shot two men and wounded another during a black lives matter protest, when kyl rittenhouse was acquitted. when he stood trial his lawyer argue that rittenhouse was jus exercising his second amendmen right to stand his ground. to be part of a well regulated militia, to defend himself wit a gun. and after the courts acquitted him, gun culture celebrated him. donald trump welcomed him to mar-a-lago rittenhouse became a sort of gun celebrity. in fact, this weekend, kyl rittenhouse was the headline of republican gun fundraisin
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event in idaho, which wa promoted as trigger time, with kyle rittenhouse kyle rittenhouse received standing ovation, the same weekend that ralph yarl' family was waiting to see if their son would recover from his stand-your-ground shooting that is where american gun culture is as for andrew lester, in missouri, we are waiting to se if this case turns the tide on that very culture. coming up later in this hour there are two states in americ where it is still a crime fo an unmarried couple to liv together democrats in one of thos states want to fix that. but some republicans are not o board. i will give you one guess why. and then there is florid governor ron desantis, tryin to out-trump trump on th culture war front. is it working? that is not a rhetorical question and it is next
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it was widely opposed by educators and parents an businesses in the state, including florida's larges single site employer, disney but despite the backlash desantis not only continues to tout the law, he is expandin the law. the current law prohibits an discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity in classrooms from kindergarte to third grade but today, at the behest o governor desantis, florida's education board extended tha rule, prohibiting lgbt discussions all the way throug a florida students senior year of high school now all of this is supposed to be part of desantis's master plan to a conservative donal trump in the presidentia primary. but polls show that donald trump continues to widen his early lead over ron desantis and then there is this littl data point this week governor desanti traveled to washington to make a big show of trying to ge endorsements from republican members of congress. but by the time that meeting
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arrived on tuesday, severa members of congress from the state of florida had already announced their support fo donald trump as of this afternoon, trump ha wrapped up endorsements fo more than half of the florid republican congressional delegation joining us now is former missouri senator and current msnbc political analyst, the great claire mccaskill clare, what do these endorsements tell you about th desantis campaign? >> well, if you look at what desantis is trying to do desantis is trying to be a more, a less chaotic donald trump. he has taken up the cultur wars with a lot of gusto and gone after this. and by the way, we should poin out, alex, that the law that was passed was a typical culture war trying to address problem that didn't exist. there were not teachers in k through three talking to their students about sexua
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orientation. that wasn't occurring. it was just one of those false flags. republicans put up aroun cultural wars to try to get th base all revved up so the thing that has happened to desantis's, he was going to be the less chaotic harvar educated donald trump. it turns out, and supposedly smarter than trump, it turns out not so much. he has made so many blunders i the last three months. we can go through them there is a number of them. but i think at the top of th list is the fight with disney. i mean, here is a belove entity in the united states of america. uniquely american, mickey mous and star wars and toy story an all the things that my grandchildren love, he goe after them and what is his goal here? what is he trying to do? what is victory for him?
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driving them out of the state? drying up the most important source of jobs in florida, and not to say anything abou economic activity that i generated at the properties in disney there is no victory here for him against disney and what is happening is, a lo of the big donors, the desanti -- said we didn't hear sign up fo a guy that was gonna use heavy handed government to try t control business in his state. it really is backfiring. >> it's totally antithetical t what most republican donor donors want to see from thei governor i think rolling stone has some texts from donors were a big republican donors saying on group chat of wealthy desantis donors, participants explode with alarm over the florid governor's presidentia prospects. what the f is wrong with our d using some abbreviations there but i think you guys can fil in the blanks. this is someone who trump, i
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mean, trump is piling on a well trump on truth social. does sacred us is bein destroyed by disney. this is next moved will be tha no more money will be invested in florida because of th governor this is also unnecessary a political stunt. i guess, clare, i would sa there is a real world effect t some of the don't say gay stuff, beyond the cultural war that he's stoked. do not have seniors in hig school be able to learn abou gender identity, sexua education more broadly, all of this legislation has had a profound a chilling effect o teachers and students. people are unsure about what they can talk about. it's not good for k throug three and it's very problemati for k through 12 none of it's good for the stat of florida it increasingly looks bad fo the campaign of ron desantis do you think he is jus surrounded by bad advisors as someone who has run campaigns yourself, do you think this is coming fro
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desantis, or do you think this is just terrible political strategy >> i think it's a bit of both. i think he got really full o himself when he had such a big victory last fall in florida and, you know, not really sure exactly why his victory was so big, but after that he began behaving like he was bulletproof. talk about political malpractice. he goes to washington post supposedly arrive to the throngs of elected members o congress saying you are ou republican candidate, we wan you. as it turns out, he had no endorsements lined u whatsoever in what hughton and trump did. and so he goes to washington and just looks dumb as republicans lead the meeting with him republicans from his own state leave the meeting with him and endorsed trump it couldn't have gone worse fo him. >> you know how endorsements work, right?
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the idea that a candidate woul go to the hill, trumpeting his prospects, and then be like, literally, it's like a fac palm, the idea that these guys come out of the beating and go for trump. that doesn't happen in america politics these things are prett orchestrated >> they're very orchestrated and the fact that it wasn' shows that these guys aren't ready for primetime. desantis isn't and neither i his team the other thing you've got t realize is, he made a huge blunder on ukraine that we have to figure into th equation a lot of foreign policy people around the country that ar very loyal republican donors are going wait a minute, wha is he doing? then, on top of that, he signe a six-week ban on abortion and tries to do it quietly, so tha doesn't really help him with the really crazy right wingers on these issues, and i certainly hurts him with a whole lot of independent voter in his state in the middle of all the gun violence, he is passing more
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legislation to make it eve easier to carry a gun no matte who you are, no matter wha your qualifications or background >> it's the list that's long because we didn't even get t the other topic, which is th social safety net, that trum is eviscerating santas on. this is don trump eviscerating ron desantis on what i probably one of the most cunning political ads of the decade let's play it. for those who have not see this, this is a new ad >> ron desantis loves sticking his fingers where they don't belong and we are not just talkin about putting. desantis has his dirty fingers all over senior entitlements like cutting medicare, slashin social security, even raisin our retirement age tell ron desantis to keep hi putting fingers off our money. oh, and somebody get this man
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spoon. >> for those who do not no know, that arises from a daily beast reporting the rhonda santas once in a meeting was unable to procure spoon an eight putting with his fingers i cannot attest. we cannot attest to th veracity of that it is disgusting ad but claire setting aside the grossness of it, it's something you can see joe biden running against ro desantis, and it's coming from one of the republican party' own. that's a trump endorsed ad, or a trump super pac ad, which think is rather effective in painting desantis as a greed individual >> this is a moment where want to get popcorn in a die coke and i want to watch trump and desantis go after each other for the next year. because that's what's going to happen i will tell you this, betwee trump, desantis, and micke mouse, my money is on mickey mouse. >> you know it, claire mccaskill. as a mom with a foreig five-year-old, disney is
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inescapable. i cannot underscore that enough the great clermont casco, than you so much for your tim tonight. great to see you >> you bet thanks, alex >> we have one more story fo you about how democrats an michigan are trying to undo an outdated law that criminaliz is unmarried couples who liv together yeah, you heard that correctly some of the republican colleagues are not on board. that's next. washed all day without heavy perfumes? try downy light in-wash freshness boosters. it has long-lasting light scent, no heavy perfumes, and no dyes. finally, a light scent that lasts all day. downy light! heading on a family trip? nah, sorry son, prices are crazy, [son deflates] awh, use priceline. they have package deals no one else has. [son inflates] we can do it! ♪go to your happy price♪ ♪priceline♪
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year in prison and a fine of u to $1,000. the crime? lewd and lasciviou cohabitation aka, people living together ou of wedlock gasp that law from 1931 is still on the books in the state o michigan today this legislative session is th first time in 40 years the democrat in michigan have been in control of the state hous in the state senate and th governor's mansion, and they'r using their newfound power t do a little legislative spring cleaning, shall we say they are getting rid of ol zombie laws that don't mak sense anymore here in this 21s century of ours. and you would think this one would be unanimous it is not. today, again, in the year 2023 nine republicans in th michigan state senate vote against repealing this law to republicans even gave floor speeches about why laws like these are necessary to promote what one of them called, quote good morals. the other republican explained that while he didn't support
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the criminal penalties of th old law, he didn't like th repealing it would mean that unmarried people would be able to claim the same benefits a married people on their taxes. he said he would easily be a yes on the bill repealing th law if the tax structure continued to encourage marriage as wild as it is to see electe officials on the side of the zombie in the zombie law debates, it's also kind of nic to hear the quiet part out loud this is genuinely how a bi chunk of the modern republican party actually thinks, whether it's abortion rights or drag shows or banning books, a whol section of the gop wants the government to tell you how t think and how to dress, an apparently who you can liv with out of wedlock in the yea 2023 ladies and gentlemen, the gran old party. that is our show for tonight i'll see you again tomorrow. and now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell good evening, lawrence >> good evening, alex, we have congressman adam schiff to tal to us tonight about what has
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