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religious fanatics and other fanatics try to impose fascism on my country. i urge you to think about what a book ban means and use transparency i don't need anyone else telling my son what he can and cannot read. i'm very, perfectly capable to determine that for myself. thanks for your time and for listening. i urge you to remember - thank you. >> some very powerful word from former navy commander wes wexroad taking us off the ai tonight. and on that note, i wish you all a very good night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late i will see you at the end of tomorrow
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>> yesterday, when the new broke that fox had reached a last-minute settlement wit dominion over the networks false claims about the 202 election, there were surpris and there was disappointment >> damaged i want my trial. i want it. i guess it's satisfying, i mean, for dominion, that rupert ha to file over a bunch of cash but that does nothing for democracy. what we need is fox news personality to look straight into the camera, admit tha they lied over and over agai about the 2020 election. >> america did not get to wish rupert murdoch - ruppy -- raise his right hand and tel the truth, the truth and nothing but the whole truth. -- they did not get any mea culpa under oath with the country did get to se is a 787.5 million dolla
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concession from fox, a nearl 788 million dollar payout that suggests fox was scared of wha awaited the company at trial, price tag beginning if that it verges on something a lot of people have been searching for for a long time. that's accountability. and it wasn't just the money there were also the texts an the emails and depositions yesterday we learned tha dominion waited until the very last minute to settle, despite early offers from fox, because dominion wanted to make public as much evidence as possible about foxes false election claims >> for us the first thing wa we wanted to make sure that we had a time for all of the trut to come out, we were not willing to settle until th reams of information that we are able to gain through the discovery process had an opportunity to see the light o day. that's a very important thin for us >> it may not be tucker carlso
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looking straight into th camera and admitting that he lied over and over again but the 2020 election, as stephe colbert would like it. but it feels an awful lot like accountability season may be starting look at what's happening dow in washington d. c.. according to the justice department, as of april 6th. over 1000 defendants in the u. s. capitol attack, have been arrested that's including this man here dominic pezzola, a member of the proud boys, who today by the way blamed the police fo stirring up the crowd. where this man, christophe albert, who armed with a concealed firearm, when he charged at police at the capitol today mr. albert was found guilty on all nine counts it sure looks like accountability and then there are the central players in that same plot. they are the architects of the big lie. >> yesterday, in georgia district attorney fani willis, who is investigating trump's attempt to overturn the result of the 2020 election in he
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state. she filed a motion t disqualify the lawyer who' representing ten of the states fake republican electors now, some of the information i miss willis's motion, some o that information suggest tha some of those fake electors, may just be looking at cooperating with the d. a. which could spell trouble fo the georgia republican party and trouble for donald trump i particular and today we learne that boris epstein, a top trum advisor in a semi kind o personal lawyer for trump is scheduled to be interviewe tomorrow by prosecutors in the special counsel's office it's unclear whether mr. epstein is being interviewed o the subject of january 6th, or mar-a-lago, or on both of thos things but given his world in the trump universe, this is significant development in a significant set of investigations so the big wheels on the accountability road show, they do seem to be turning. but that does not mean tha some people want to everything their power, to grind this
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movement to a halt some people like congressman jim jordan, i is now chair of the hous judiciary committee, and hea of the ironically name subcommittee on th weaponization of the federal government chairman jordan is doing something fairly unusual, mayb even unconstitutional. to put a stop to all thi accountability he is directly interfering i currently the only crimina indictment against donal trump. in attempt to inject healthy a hefty dose of very questionabl congressional oversight into mr. bragg's investigation, chairman jordan is trying to force attorney mark pomerant to testify before congress now, if you remember, pomerant was a manhattan prosecutor who once led the investigation int the fraud of the trump organization, under th previous manhattan d. a. cy vance mr. pomerantz resigned early last year when the new dea alvin bragg, decided not t seek an indictment against trump for that fraud at that time and after, mr. pomerantz
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resigned, he wrote a book abou that experience, which mr. bragg did not appreciate chairman jordan now wants mark pomerantz to testify on th record and he wants to know two things, one, what were the interna deliberations not to indic trump back when mr. pomerant was running the show because that information could presumably be very useful to a group of people who don't want trump to be indicted, in a broader fraud case and two, mr. jordan wants to find out what the d.a.'s offic did have on donald trump and his potentially fraudulent business dealings. because again, that informatio could presumably be useful to group of people who might want to mounted offense, if mr. trump is indicted in a broader fraud case so the accountability road sho continues, and so does the accountability road show continues -- , apparently now mr. bragg's office, sued
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mr. jordan to block him from enforcing the subpoena to mark pomerantz. but today, district judge mary this coastal denied mr. bragg' request for a preliminar injunction quote, the subpoena was issued with a valid legislative purpose, in connection with th fraud and indispensabl congressional power to conduct investigations mr. pomerantz must appear, for the congressional deposition no one is above the law. dea bragg's office has now filed notice, that he is appealing that decision, and i is worth noting that all o this, is taking place on the very same day, that alle weisselberg, the former chie financial officer of the trump organization, was released fro rikers, after serving roughl four months for his role on decade long tax fraud scheme it still weisselberg, appear to remain lawyer to loyal to mr. trump, but he's the kind o witness, that if flipped for the prosecution, could secur once and for all accountability for donal
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trump. and that is accountability with a capital a joining us now is catherin christian, a former specia assistant d a in the manhattan d. a.'s office catherine, thanks so much fo being here >> my pleasure >> so, first let's talk abou what's happening with th testimony, the subpoena of mar pomerantz. >> well, chairman jordan had a big victory today. it's been appealed the judge wrote a very biting, 25-page decision denying, d. a. bragg's motio to quash a subpoena. in fact, she said that this wa a lawsuit dressed up, really - it's really a motion to quas the subpoena, and it's not a lawsuit. she also critique mr. bags bragg's lawyers for no following court procedure. she took about 18 excerpts fro mark pomerantz's book, excerpt that shows that he critique th hush money investigation the one that is now been indicted in fact, he even quotes, and
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this is according to mr. pomerantz. mr. bragg saying that he can't ever see a world where he woul use michael cohen fo testimony. >> and michael cohen is, o course, a star witness of th d.a.'s office -- >> so, the judge put those excerpts in the decision she also said the first 35 pages of the complaint, was public relations tirade, against former president trump so, she put a lot into the decision, the judge, that wa very critical of d.a. bragg an the decision to try to prevent mr. pomerantz from testifying. in fact she even said, there i a book, and the d. a.'s office did write a letter to hi publisher, and ask them not to do it, but they never sued they never took any othe action, and the judge wa careful of that. they had an opportunity to prevent book from bein published, which actuall would've probably lost, becaus that would be prior restraint. but they didn't take tha opportunity, according to this decision by the judge.
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>> it sounds like the fact tha mr. pomerantz went public by the, book was so much of his experience in the d. a.' office it really complicates all this effort, right? why don't you think d. a. bragg, why didn't he amounts stronger sort of offense, in terms of at least being on the record saying, this book is on on authorized, we do not wan it publish >> well, he wrote a letter t simon & schuster, who are th publishers he had the association for prosecuting attorneys issue an ethics opinion, stating that this was improper, and i believe his general counse said, correctly, that would be considered prior restraint if you try to preven publishing a book, then yo might lose that on - grounds. so he did vocally say, thi book was done without hi commission and, of course, mar pomerantz would say, i didn' need your permission so it is really this book ha caused a lot of problems, as dea bragg has thought that i would, and now it has.
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>> and now it's been effectively weaponized so, from your point of view, how valuable is pomerantz' testimony, both in terms of th offense, in terms of prosecuting trump, and a defense of house republicans would like to presumably him out for donald trump >> well, the value, quit frankly is, many people did no read this book - i read the book. many people didn't so, now there will be public hearings, and he will spou what he put in the book. now, that will become public and people who didn't read the book will now hear it. and also the jury panel, who will be selected they will now, hear hi opinions, about the strength o the case, or lack thereof of the case that is now bee indicted so that's the value, and that' probably one of the reasons wh this committee wants him t testify, so he can say what he wrote publicly >> the committee wants a lot and they want all document basically, they contain th were donald trump. i'm paraphrasing
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but they have a dragnet, basically, of information that they would like from the d.a.' office and i wonder if they are concerned about, the broader fraud case those started under cy vance that dea bragg ha suggested continues in his office did they want the bread crumbs basically, that mark pomerantz might be able to give them to basically develop a strateg if and one dea bragg goe further with a broader fraud indictment, or anyone else - >> an argument can be made tha that's what they're doing. they did not request mr. pomerantz to produce documents but they did send a letter t d. a. bragg and requests tha he come testify and produc documents. they also sent a letter to a member of the trial team, an ask that he comment svm produc documents. and dea bragg has said that hi investigation is still continuing that's actually th investigation, but the attorne general for new york state, ha brought a lawsuit against mr trump, and his family. >> the laetitia james lawsuit, yes. >> so that could be a criminal indictment, it's now a civil fraud case but that could be a
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criminal indictment. >> which would carry big implications in terms of not just accountability but in terms of crimes, right >> exactly >> it is a wait here investigation. >> - it's civilly charged, th manhattan d.a.'s office coul present to the grand jury an get an indictment. >> what if mr. weisselberg newly released from rikers, he has counsel at least what we'r hearing -- what's being reported -- is that this council i potentially more of a hard-lin council in terms of not playin ball with prosecutors. this council is paid for by th trump organization, as his previous council was how do you read the tea leaves on where allen weisselberg may be in terms of his utility as potential witness and featur investigations >> well, he's clearly -- if he chose -- a valuable witness against donald trump and he is, to now -- he testified at the trial, w are the trump organization, an
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he was beneficial to the prosecution, but als beneficial to the defense. so, if he has a lawyer, who wa saying, my client is not speaking to the d.a.'s office, then he's not going to cooperate. >> but the d.a.'s office would very much like him t cooperate. >> exactly and we don't know whether or not they have other charge they may have over his head. so, we are not clear about that and if they do, that could be reason to maybe have him consider that maybe he might want to cooperate. >> and not spend the rest of his earthly years in jail -- >> no, he's 75 years old it's not fun to be incarcerated >> right and that's an understatement right? we know the hush money cas that the a brig -- does not mention him by name but he is -- referred to that so, if you are looking for extra things to hang over hi head - i'm not saying - just saying, maybe it's that catherine christian, thank you for your time and expertise, a always it's great to see you. >> thank you we >> have a lot more to get t this evening the shadow primary between donald trump and ron desanti
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ruling, the one that dismantle roe v. wade, the supreme court basically said it was done wit the business of adjudicating abortion, the justices sai
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we're kicking it down to the states, thank you very much, please do not come knocking on our door again later -- it's clear, the well the supreme court was peepin itself it is very much in the busines of adjudicating abortion there is a ruling from a federal judge in texas, they that basically undid the fda approval of mifepristone, th first of two pills used in a medication abortion. if the supreme court agrees to allow that texas ruling to g into effect. it will be like we are back in the year 1999, before american had access to a drug that has strong safety record, and ha been used by millions of peopl in this country in the past 30 years. and if the supreme court doe do that, they will have to dea with the competing ruling that came down almost immediately after that texas ruling. -- ordered the fda not to restric access to mifepristone so what does the court to do about that
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and then there is the ruling from the fifth circuit court o appeals, the one that tries to strike the middle round. that one wants to send america back to the year 2015, befor the fda tweaked its rules abou mifepristone that ruling from the fifth circuit, allows mifepristone t stay on the market, but with strict limits, like banning it use after seven weeks of pregnancy, barring mifepriston from being sent in the mail, and reversing the fda' approval of a generic versio of mifepristone. it's a turns out, that too is complicated path because today, there is a ne law straight from the generi version of mifepristone. the company that makes it is now suing the fda to keep th agency from complying, if th court orders generic mifepristone off of pharmacy shelves. so, with all this legal call facing a court, but dollars ou of the business of abortion law, is it any wonder that a fe hours ago justice alito bought himself some time to think about everything
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now alito had put a temporar pause on the ruling by the lower court, and that temporar pause was supposed to expire tonight at midnight. but today, justice alito gav himself just a few more days to give the court some time to figure out what to do. joining us now is tali farhadian weinstein, forme federal and state prosecutor i new york tali, it's great to see you. >> it seems like a colossa mess and one that, i might add, i completely of the suprem courts making. so my sympathy only extends so far. what do you think of alito's self-imposed midnight deadline that he then then extend t another self imposed deadlin two days later >> so, there's no rule tha says the court has to give a deadline when it issues a temporary stay that's a practice that alito has. -- so he's extended it. it's not really about justic alito, it's not really meaningful that it comes fro him. he just happens to be th justice who deals with the
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fifth circuit. so it doesn't really give us insight into what he's thinking, i think what it tells us i that someone at the suprem court, is writing somethin about the ultimate decisio they're making, about whethe to keep this stay in place so, to keep that texas distric court opinion from going int effect, while the entire thing is briefed, and the merits mak their way up to the suprem court. >> so -- tali, i'm going to read -- someone at the court is writin something. that is what we call, in the news industry, a deep, t's tali. -- all these paths, short o throwing this thing out on standing, which is arguabl something they could and shoul shouldn't -- very much the base of th republican party, the -- nothing to do with - but keep seeming to appease. what do you think is going t happen what do you think that something is that someone is writing? >> okay, well, if i have t guess with more specificity, i think that the court is goin to keep this stay in place
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while this case is developed and until they make a fina decision, i'll go even farther into making predictions, i think that ultimately the fd he's going to win and th plaintiffs who brought thi lawsuit are going to lose. and the reason why is that the fifth circuit's standing decision, is it's not just intention, 50 years a suprem court doctrine, about, and who gets to bring a lawsuit to the federal court. but it is completely the opposite of everything the court has said and those rules are really important. so, the standing decision here says, well, it's just based on statistics it says it's statistically probable, inevitable, likely - these all this kind of languag that some of these e.r. doctor are going to deal with a botched medical abortion a some point, and they're goin to be really traumatized by it and they are going to be injured by that. and so they can bring this lawsuit. and it's really says their
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organization is really frustrated, in its ability t really educate people about th pills. and so they can bring this lawsuit. but that is actually the opposite of a doctrine that ha been developed so people can't just go into federal court and get policy made. >> and sue >> exactly, to have policy mad -- judges rather than b legislators. i just don't see a majority of this court - this is not a left right issue -- i don't see a majority of this court blessing this. because it would just change what happens in federal court, in such a profound way tha goes way beyond anything havin to do with abortion. >> it is also previous - the justices own records o this, right? justice kavanaugh, if he wants an off ramp for all of this, the pharma angle, the fd involvement in all of this - i mean, when he was a judge on the d.c. circuit court, hi opinions were pretty clear at one point, i think we hav an analysis of this.
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but at one point, kavanaug urged judges to defer to the fda and other scientific agencies largely on the ground that courts could not compet with the agency's expertise. kavanaugh also sided with th fda in a case over whether the agency should be per force forced to provide access to an unapproved drug. well, the inverse of that is being forced to take awa access to an approved drug right? and you would think he would follow suit. it seems like the writing is o the wall for this. and yet, i don't know. i just wonder if the courts ar going to be taking it off th table as a mechanism to enforc abortion restrictions. >> so i don't think it completely, but i think in thi case yes because we talked abou standing that's a gateway issue if you can't bring the lawsuit then there's nothing left to say. but even if they were to get back that's that, as you said, alex, the idea of getting into the business of the fda' decision making, and the decision-making of other agencies in this invasive way,
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is just so hard to absorb, for the pharmaceutical industries, to absorb. that and that's the second reason why i think tha ultimately the fda is actually going to win this one. >> do you see what's happening here, setting the actual issue of abortion aside for a minute the idea that you have thi judge -- the trump appointed judge, who is known as an activist, a conservative radical, if you will, in some corners -- they judge shocked to get th suit in front of him, at the same time, a judge i washington state is kind o casting an eye to what's happening in texas, and passin his own ruling, to kind of preemptively create chaos here or a roadblock if you will so that this has to go up th chain of the courts. is just a way that we are goin to - is this is the future fo america, right you have, effectively, differentcircuits, different judges, blue state judges, red state judges competing wit each other - you know, blue state judges to and try freedom, and red state judges in some places foreclos on the freedoms, this is how w
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fight our political battles now? three different judicial rulings? >> as a lawyer, and as a american, i sure hope not. because this is th intersection of to reall troubling things one is, the shopping for the judge -- we've always had some amount o forum shopping but now it's possible to actually target a specific judge, not just a district where you choose to bring your case, coupled with the rise in nationwide injunctions, whic again both left and right have criticized, the idea that on judge, even if you are chose at random, makes a decisio that affects the whole country when it's not absolutely necessary to do so - when you put those two thing together, you wind up in the situation that we are here and we're now up to thre different districts courts tha are weighing in on this on lawsuit, really -- this one issue about the approval years and years ago decades ago of the abortio pill
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>> we have to say, though, the numbers 19, to go back in time to when mifepristone was reall being actually been initiall regulated. i don't, now it just seems lik a very combustible moment, and could really undermine the legitimacy of the courts tali farhadian weinstein, it's always good to see you nice to see you, my friend we have even more this evening we will take another trip to desantis world, as governo desantis continues to use th state as a lab for his presidential ambitions and the shooting of a 16 yea old black child bile an elderl white man in misery, who i apparently standing his ground it's the latest twist in a lon knotted line that goes bac more than 150 years. the shadow cast by racism, slavery, and the secon amendment is coming up next. "look at this skin, baby. she is glowing. she is 1 of 1." with new olay hyaluronic body wash 95% of women had visibly-better skin. "my skin is so much more moisturized."
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the culture. in american jurisprudence it i difficult to convict a white man for harming a black child. it should not be so. i hope this case turns the tide >> 84-year-old andrew lester was arraigned today in cla county, missouri, for shooting 16-year-old ralph yarl after yarl rang his doorbell lester pleaded not guilty to charges of armed assault o criminal action. his next court date is scheduled for june 1st -- and remember the reason why mr lester was arraigned just a day, which is a week after he sho ralph yarl, is because polic
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let andrew lester go the night of the shooting, lester told police that he acted in self-defense, that he was scared to death of yarl' size according to the family of ralph yarl, the teen is five foot eight and weighs 14 pounds also remember that missouri is a stand-your-ground state, where you do not have the duty to retreat if you reasonably fear death or bodily harm. you don't have to retreat. you can just shoot so andrew lester stood his ground and police let him go that's why hundreds of protesters gathered in kansa city's northland, north of the missouri river, where th shooting happened. they wanted yarl's shooter rested and they wanted him charge and they wanted the northland community to grapple with its history of racism when black residents in that area first heard of yarl's shooting, they echoed th missouri naacp's president feeling that it brought back the sentiment that african
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americans, black people, jus don't belong there now what is notable abou northland, aside from the fact that 60% of its residents ar white, is that it is withi clay county, a staunchly republican area. clay county vote overwhelmingly for donald trum both times, just like the stat itself missouri voted for trump i both elections missouri is one of about 3 states with stand-your-groun laws on the books. who is also one of the state that enslaved black people before the end of the civi war. and if you're wondering what those two maps have to do with each other, it turns out the have a lot to do with each other. the right to armed self-defens like stand-your-ground stems from the second amendment whic says a well regulated militi being necessary to the securit of a free state, the right of, the people to keep and bea arms shall not be infringed. that amendment has been th nra's rallying cry for years here's the thing the second amendment was ratified when southern state enslaved black people. and that amendment did not
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apply to enslaved people instead, historians argued i was created because of them. the militias referenced in the second amendment were primaril there to aid slave patrols and shut down slavery revolts. they were worried abou uprisings. in 2021 historian carole anderson described the event i that inspired that fear, it wa the haitian revolution this country has a long histor of gun policy the buttresses the power of white americans a the expense of black people. historians argue that histor is still alive today, both i the application of our gun law and in american culture itself it was seemingly alive i november, 2021, when kyl rittenhouse, the teenager wh fatally shot two men and wounded another during a black lives matter protest, when kyl rittenhouse was acquitted. when he stood trial his lawyer argue that rittenhouse was jus exercising his second amendmen right to stand his ground. to be part of a well regulated militia, to defend himself wit a gun.
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and after the courts acquitted him, gun culture celebrate him. donald trump welcomed him to mar-a-lago rittenhouse became a sort of gun celebrity. in fact, this weekend, kyl rittenhouse was the headline of republican gun fundraisin event in idaho, which wa promoted as trigger time, with kyle rittenhouse kyle rittenhouse received standing ovation, the same weekend that ralph yarl' family was waiting to see if their son would recover from his stand-your-ground shooting that is where american gun culture is as for andrew lester, in missouri, we are waiting to se if this case turns the tide on that very culture. coming up later in this hour there are two states in americ where it is still a crime fo an unmarried couple to liv together democrats in one of thos states want to fix that. but some republicans are not o board. i will give you one guess why. and then there is florid
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if disney objects to that, well, so be, it we are going to do what's right >> that was florida governor ron desantis in south carolina today celebrating his don't sa gay law. that law banned teachers fro talking about sexual orientation or gender identity in the classroom it was widely opposed by educators and parents an businesses in the state, including florida's larges single site employer, disney but despite the backlash desantis not only continues to tout the law, he is expandin the law. the current law prohibits an discussion of sexual orientation or gender identity in classrooms from kindergarte to third grade but today, at the behest o governor desantis, florida's education board extended tha rule, prohibiting lgbt discussions all the way throug a florida students senior year of high school now all of this is supposed to be part of desantis's master plans to out-conservativ donald trump in th presidential primary but polls show that donald trump continues to widen his
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early lead over ron desantis and then there is this littl data point this week governor desanti traveled to washington to make a big show of trying to ge endorsements from republican members of congress. but by the time that meeting arrived on tuesday, severa members of congress from the state of florida had already announced their support fo donald trump as of this afternoon, trump ha racked up endorsements for fro more than half of the florid republican congressional delegation joining us now is former missouri senator and current msnbc political analyst, the great claire mccaskill clare, what do these endorsements tell you about th desantis campaign? >> well, if you look at what desantis is trying to do desantis is trying to be a more, a less chaotic donald trump. he has taken up the cultur wars with a lot of gusto and gone after this. and by the way, we should poin
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out, alex, that the law that was passed was a typical culture war trying to address problem that didn't exist. there were not teachers in k through three talking to their students about sexua orientation. that wasn't occurring. it was just one of those false flags. that republicans put up around cultural wars to try to get th base all revved up so the thing that has happened to desantis's he was going t be the less chaotic harvar educated donald trump. it turns out, and supposedly smarter than trump, it turns out not so much. he has made so many blunders i the last three months. and we can go through them there is a number of them. but i think at the top of th list is the fight with disney. i mean, here is a belove entity in the united states of america. uniquely american, mickey mous
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and star wars and toy story an all the things that my grandchildren love, he goe after them and what is his goal here? what is he trying to do? what is victory for him? driving them out of the state? drying up the most important source of jobs in florida, and not to say anything about th economic activity that i generated at the properties in disney there is no victory here for him against disney and what is happening is, a lo of the big donors, the desanti -- needs are going, wait a minute we didn't sign up for a guy wh is going to decide to use th heavy hand of government to tr to control business in his state. it really is backfiring. >> it's totally antithetical t what most republican donor donors want to see from thei governor i think rolling stone has some text from donors who were bi republican donors saying on group chat of wealthy desantis
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donors, participants explode with alarm over the florid governor's presidentia prospects. what the f is wrong with our d we are using some abbreviation there, but i think you guys ca fill in the blanks this is someone who trump, i mean, trump is piling on a well trump on truth social. desantis is being destroyed by disney this is next moved will be tha no more money will be invested in florida because of th governor this is also unnecessary a political stunt. i guess clare, mccaskill, would say there is a real worl effect to some of the don't sa gay stuff, beyond the cultural war that he's obviously stoked to not have seniors in hig school be able to learn abou gender identity, sexua education more broadly, all of this legislation has had a profoundly chilling effect o teachers and students. people are unsure about what they can talk about. it's not good for k throug three and it's very problemati for k through 12
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none of it's good for the stat of florida and it increasingly looks ba for the campaign of ro desantis do you think he is jus surrounded by bad advisors as someone who has run campaigns yourself, do you think this is coming fro desantis, or do you think this is just terrible political strategy >> i think it's a bit of both. i think he got really full o himself when he had such a big victory last fall in florida and, you know, not really sure exactly why his victory was so big, but after that he began behaving like he was bulletproof. talk about political malpractice. he goes to washington post too supposedly arrive to the throngs of elected members o congress saying you are ou republican candidate, we wan you. as it turns out, he had no endorsements lined u whatsoever in washington and trump did. and so he goes to washington and just looks dumb as republicans lead the meeting
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with him republicans from his own state leave the meeting with him and endorsed trump it couldn't have gone worse fo him. >> you know how endorsements work, right? the idea that a candidate woul go to the hill, trumpeting his prospects, and then be like, literally, it's like a fac palm, the idea that these guys come out of the beating and go for trump. that doesn't happen in america politics these things are prett orchestrated >> they're very orchestrated and the fact that it wasn' shows that these guys aren't ready for primetime. desantis isn't and neither i his team the other thing you've got t realize is, he made a huge blunder on ukraine that we have to figure into th equation a lot of foreign policy people around the country that ar very loyal republican donors are going wait a minute, wha is he doing? then, on top of that, he signe a six-week ban on abortion and tries to do it quietly, so tha doesn't really help him with
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the really crazy right wingers on these issues, and i certainly hurts him with a whole lot of independent voter in his state in the middle of all the gun violence, he is passing more legislation to make it eve easier to carry a gun no matte who you are, no matter wha your qualifications or background >> it's the list that's long because we didn't even get t the other topic, which is th social safety net, that trum is eviscerating santas on. desantis on. this is don trump eviscerating ron desantis on what i probably one of the most cunning political ads of the decade let's play it. for those who have not see this, this is a new ad >> ron desantis loves sticking his fingers where they don't belong and we are not just talkin about putting. desantis has his dirty fingers all over senior entitlements like cutting medicare, slashin
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social security, even raisin our retirement age tell ron desantis to keep hi putting fingers off our money. oh, and somebody get this man spoon. >> for those who do not no know, that arises from a daily beast reporting the rhonda ron desantis once in a meeting was unable to procure spoon an eight putting with his fingers i cannot attest -- we cannot attest to th veracity of that it's a disgusting ad but clear mccaskill, setting aside the grossness of that ad it's something you can see joe biden running against ro desantis, and it's coming from one of the republican party' own. that's a trump endorsed ad, or a trump super pac ad, which think is rather effective in painting desantis as a greed individual >> this is a moment where want to get popcorn and a diet coke and i want to watch trump an desantis go after each other for the next year. because that's what's going to
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happen i will tell you this, betwee trump, desantis, and micke mouse, my money is on mickey mouse. >> you know it, claire mccaskill. as a mom with a foreign five -year-old, disney is inescapable. i cannot underscore that enough the great claire mccaskill thank you for your time tonight, claire mccaskill it's great to see you. >> you get thanks, alex >> we have one more story fo you about how democrats an michigan are trying to undo an outdated law that criminaliz criminalizes unmarried couples who live together. yeah, you heard that correctly some of the republican colleagues are not on board. that's next. >> tech: when you have auto glass damage, trust safelite. we'll replace your windshield, and recalibrate your advanced safety system. so automatic emergency braking and lane departure warning work properly. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ meet stephanie... goodnight! and bethany... [guhhnnaaaghh] identical twins. both struggle with cpap for their sleep apnea.
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to $1,000. the crime? lewd and lasciviou cohabitation aka, people living together ou of wedlock gasp that law from 1931 is still on the books in the state o michigan today this legislative session is th first time in 40 years the democrats in michigan have bee in control of the state hous in the state senate and th governor's mansion, and they'r using their newfound power t do a little legislative spring cleaning, shall we say they are getting rid of ol zombie laws that don't mak sense anymore here in this 21s century of ours. and you would think this one would be unanimous it is not. today, again, in the year 2023 nine republicans in th michigan state senate vote against repealing this law to republicans even gave floor speeches about why laws like these are necessary to promote what one of them called, quote good morals. the other republican explained that while he didn't support the criminal penalties of th
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old law, he didn't like th that repealing it would mean that unmarried people would be able to claim the same benefit as married people on their taxes. he said he would easily be a yes on the bill repealing th law if the tax structure continued to encourage marriage as wild as it is to see electe officials on the side of the zombie in the zombie law debates, it's also kind of nic to hear the quiet part out loud this is genuinely how a bi chunk of the modern republican party actually thinks, whether it's abortion rights or drag shows or banning books, a whol section of the gop wants the government to tell you how t think and how to dress, an apparently who you can liv with out of wedlock in the yea 2023 ladies and gentlemen, the gran old party. that is our show for tonight i'll see you again tomorrow. and now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell good evening, lawrence >> good evening, alex. we have congressman adam schiff to and andrew weissmann to so it is often talk about what'
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